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[IronNoggin]

B.C. to require masks in indoor, public places and extend ban on social gatherings province-wide

British Columbians must now wear masks in all indoor public places, officials announced, as part of sweeping new measures to crack down on the province’s second wave of COVID-19.

The province also extended the Nov 7. ban on social gatherings in the Fraser Health and Vancouver Coastal Health regions to December, and expanded it to the entire province.

Additionally, the province restricted community events, including faith-based gatherings, until Dec. 7.

Non-essential travel within the province is also banned.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7473178/bc-coronavirus-mandatory-masks-indoor-public-places/

[RalphH]

actually it looks like people are asked not to travel outside their communities for non-essential reasons. Discussion with a Public Health expert said this is aimed at discouraging non-essential travel outside health reasons. As in the spring it's on the vague side and open to personal interpretation. Maybe there will be more clarification tomorrow .. 

[wildmanyeah]

Travel for mountain sports​
Ski and snowboard at your local mountain. For example, if you live in Vancouver, you should ski at Cypress, Grouse or Mt. Seymour.

[clarki]

As in the spring it's on the vague side and open to personal interpretation.

That wasn't your tune back in the spring, Ralph. You were very adamant what the definition of "local" was and anyone that saw it differently was selfish, or trying to re-engineer the English language.

"I don't see any of this as "subjective" or hard to understand." "justify their attempts to re-engineer the English language."  "some people take a common well defined and understood word and twist the meaning to suit their own selfish interests" "There isn't much that is subjective about the definition of local"

[RalphH]

That wasn't your tune back in the spring, Ralph. You were very adamant what the definition of "local" was and anyone that saw it differently was selfish, or trying to re-engineer the English language.

"I don't see any of this as "subjective" or hard to understand." "justify their attempts to re-engineer the English language."  "some people take a common well defined and understood word and twist the meaning to suit their own selfish interests" "There isn't much that is subjective about the definition of local"

Oh let's revisit your [incorrect] position on masks. You were just as wrong on what 'local' meant, you self interested weenie you!

JK

 

PS next you'll be pitching herd immunity... or is that a herd mentality?


JK again. hee hee!

[clarki]

you self interest weenie you!

Guilty as charged!

[RalphH]

well there certainly has been a good % of people who have taken a "shady lawyer" approach to their own responsibility to the public well being. So now we have a new infections rate much larger than the first wave in the spring that are expected to quadruple(!) within the next 5 to 6 weeks. By default many people are taking a herd immunity approach to the well being of their family, friends, neighbors and associates.

[Knnn]

People should be aware that the fact we have more infections than the spring does not mean there are more COVID infections around or that a lack of social accountability has caused an increase in the number of infections.

The increase numbers and rates are largely due to a huge increase in the number of tests that are being carried out, using a methodology that is known to be subject to false positives and also identifies new infections in people who may have been infected 3-4 months previously.  Recent mass testing conducted in Liverpool by the UK army using a new more accurate test identified only 0.5-0.7% infections in asymptomatic patients, which was far lower than expected.

The disconnect between cases and COVID mortality is self evident in BC COVID data base, which tracks new cases and deaths:

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=BC+covid+data

Case numbers in the spring were approximately 1,500/day at the peak and now we are sitting above 4,000 day and continuing to increase.  Although case rates are now more than double the spring number, the number of deaths we are currently seeing is approximately half of the spring rate.

I'm not pointing this out as a way of justifying non-compliance with health orders, but to provide some perspective as to the potential for misinterpreting the current case numbers and over estimating the risk.


 

[bobby b]

^^^ crackpot logic ....

Just because Google exists does not make you an expert.

People should be aware that the fact we have more infections than the spring does not mean there are more COVID infections around or that a lack of social accountability has caused an increase in the number of infections.

So the high number of deaths in care homes has nothing to do with how easily this virus spreads?

Don't blame "lack of social accountability"    Testing killed 'em ?

[bobby b]

I might add that the lesser death rate has more to do with healthcare now having a better handle on treatment as opposed to when it first broke out.

[CohoJake]

I might add that the lesser death rate has more to do with healthcare now having a better handle on treatment as opposed to when it first broke out.

And as always, the death rate always lags behind the case rate by several weeks.  It can be a long, painful death.

[Knnn]

^^^ crackpot logic ....
Just because Google exists does not make you an expert.

Precisely where is the crackpot logic? 

Did you look at the data and come to a different conclusion, or are you throwing out a quick knee jerk response based on your search of Google, or do you have direct access to real world data? 

Google does not make anyone an expert, agreed.  However, but it does provide real world data, provided by the BC government, that anyone with a rudimentary education can interpret and come to reasonable conclusions.

Also do you have a reference to support your opinion, that the lesser death rate has more to do with healthcare now having a better handle on treatment as opposed to when it first broke out.

I agree that the death rate in hospitals is a lot less than it was previously, but not for the reason you are assuming.  Demographics indicate that more people in the 19-44 age group are dying and more deaths are occurring at home (this is based on UK data, but is probably similar here).  This is distinctly different from what happened during the pandemic, when most fatalities were in the over 65 age group and in hospital.   

Any thoughts as to why this is happening?

A reasonable and logical explanation could be the miss attribution of COVID deaths to people who are dying of heart attacks, strokes etc (at home) that also just happen to have COVID, but COVID may not have been the cause. 

A mutation that affects predominantly younger people could be a possible explanation, but it is unlikely and I have yet to see any evidence to support this speculation.

[Roderick]

Knnn

I'm trying to understand why you are trying to downplay the risks that this pandemic presents. The only conclusion I can come to is that you are upset because you (or someone close to you) had to delay or cancel a medical procedure because of the pandemic.  I could be wrong of course.

But a few more weeks at this growth rate and covid will completely overwhelm the health care system. 

Just as an anecdotal example, I read about a hospital in the US where over 900 hospital staff have tested positive in the last 2 weeks.  Without staff the hospital can't function obviously.

[RalphH]

http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID_sitrep/BC_COVID-19_Situation_Report_Nov_13_2020.pdf

Page 4 has data and graphs on number of tests and positivity rates

it hasn't been updated since Nov 13th. For Fraser Health 1 st wave positive rates peaked in week 15 at about 6%  while in week 45 they were about 8%. Vancouver- Coast peaked at 6 to 7% in week 14 and is is at 3 to 4% in week 45.

It has to be noted that the concern should not be the specific % at any point  but the rate of growth in positive cases.

[bobby b]

I"ll save my breath... hate trying to reason with those who wear blinders.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/29/coronavirus-doctors-now-have-more-treatments-to-save-lives.html

https://nyulangone.org/news/study-helps-explain-declines-death-rates-covid-19