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chris gadsden

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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2265 on: July 23, 2016, 03:28:11 AM »

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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2266 on: July 23, 2016, 08:37:24 AM »

Operation Summer Boondoggle is in high gear it seems
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2267 on: July 23, 2016, 06:14:08 PM »

Operation Summer Boondoggle is in high gear it seems
Depends what side of the fence you are on or should I say ocean located net pen. ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2271 on: July 24, 2016, 07:51:14 PM »

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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2272 on: July 25, 2016, 01:13:43 AM »

seems crazy.

what about a plan to resolve this problem ?
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« Reply #2273 on: July 25, 2016, 03:31:40 AM »

seems crazy.

what about a plan to resolve this problem ?
We keep trying but as usual big business seems to rein even at the cost of our environment and in this case wild salmon.

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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2274 on: July 25, 2016, 09:44:55 AM »

https://youtu.be/g7EQklfNUsY
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Corrections to Alexandra Morton statements:
 Morton claims she won a “landmark court decision” which “ruled that the salmon farming industry
could no longer stock their farms with diseased fish.”
This statement grossly misrepresents the court ruling. A B.C. salmon farm’s aquaculture license to operate has always ensured only healthy fish are transferred from freshwater hatcheries to ocean farms. The final ruling in this case asked for the licenser (Fisheries and Oceans Canada) to amend the aquaculture license to ensure the decision to transfer fish was that of the Minister, and could not be delegated.
 “... so as it stands today, salmon farming industry cannot put piscine reovirus infected fish into the net pens unless they get express permission from the Fisheries and Oceans Minister to transfer diseased fish”.
This is incorrect, and purposely confuses a common benign fish virus with disease. Piscine reovirus (PRV) is a commonly found virus in the ocean (a single drop of sea water contains a million viruses) and is known to have been present for decades or more – it is not new to this coast and is not a disease. No research in British Columbia has confirmed a causal link between the PRV virus and any disease.
 Morton claims she first discovered PRV – which according to her was likely to have arrived from Norway somewhere around 2007.
This statement is false. PRV was first detected in fish on the Pacific Northwest by Dr. Kristi Miller, and follow up molecular testing of archival samples has shown it to be present in salmonids in the Pacific Ocean since at least 1988."
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2275 on: July 25, 2016, 04:01:22 PM »

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Corrections to Alexandra Morton statements:
 Morton claims she won a “landmark court decision” which “ruled that the salmon farming industry
could no longer stock their farms with diseased fish.”
This statement grossly misrepresents the court ruling. A B.C. salmon farm’s aquaculture license to operate has always ensured only healthy fish are transferred from freshwater hatcheries to ocean farms. The final ruling in this case asked for the licenser (Fisheries and Oceans Canada) to amend the aquaculture license to ensure the decision to transfer fish was that of the Minister, and could not be delegated.
 “... so as it stands today, salmon farming industry cannot put piscine reovirus infected fish into the net pens unless they get express permission from the Fisheries and Oceans Minister to transfer diseased fish”.
This is incorrect, and purposely confuses a common benign fish virus with disease. Piscine reovirus (PRV) is a commonly found virus in the ocean (a single drop of sea water contains a million viruses) and is known to have been present for decades or more – it is not new to this coast and is not a disease. No research in British Columbia has confirmed a causal link between the PRV virus and any disease.
 Morton claims she first discovered PRV – which according to her was likely to have arrived from Norway somewhere around 2007.
This statement is false. PRV was first detected in fish on the Pacific Northwest by Dr. Kristi Miller, and follow up molecular testing of archival samples has shown it to be present in salmonids in the Pacific Ocean since at least 1988."
We now know where Bob works. ;D

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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2276 on: July 25, 2016, 04:31:24 PM »

Nice diversion tactic Chris. Lets stay on topic. :)
When did Doc Morton ever get anything right?
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2277 on: July 25, 2016, 10:15:52 PM »

We keep trying but as usual big business seems to rein even at the cost of our environment and in this case wild salmon.

You mean activists keep trying but somehow their credibility is lacking along with their evidence. Like the fact that there is no evidence that PRV actually causes disease. Like the fact that Morton has never provided evidence that those now infamous, transferred Marine Harvest fish that were suspected as having PRV and being diseased were in fact diseased. As we both know by now, wild and farm fish can have PRV but not show clinical signs of disease. Wild fish injected with the virus can have high levels of PRV for weeks but not develop disease. In order for activists to be successful in proving their case with things like PRV they need to overcome these and provide evidence to the contrary.

Don't blame big business for activists not being able to get their facts straight (which is oddly the title of this thread). You need to get your act together and provide evidence - not just a bunch rhetoric. Also fish farmers are working with people like Miller. What involvement does Morton have with this Fish Health Initiative? Answer: none. Instead, she is on this public relations boat trip, taking photos, testing mussels and blogging about, masquerading it as some big scientific effort. There's nothing scientific about. You need to realize the real short comings and quit making excuses. When you start doing that then people like me might have a different opinion about your efforts.
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2279 on: July 27, 2016, 07:25:16 AM »

The headline makes it sound explosive where in fact the findings look average.
 
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Since the early 2000s, there has been much study on sea lice prevalence on B.C.’s wild and farm-raised salmon. This has provided researchers, and salmon farmers, with a much better understanding of trends of sea lice abundance in the ocean, and what environmental factors may drive the annual variability of sea lice. For example, in 2015, researchers noted an increase in sea lice prevalence on juvenile wild salmon compared to the previous year. This occurrence was quite similar to levels observed in 2003, 2005, 2006, and 2010, and much lower than levels observed in 2004."
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