wow!, lol. if you dont like the crowds, why are you fishing there. go explore, do a bit of hiking. theres lots of places on the vedder where there is no one fishing. if i see a bunch of fisherman in a run , thats the last place im going. today i landed and released a wild fish and there wasnt a soul in sight. im all for starting at the top of a run and working down, but some fisherman stand in the same place for hours. what are you supposed to do, sit on a log , and watch them, until they move?