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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #3510 on: November 24, 2022, 06:44:56 AM »

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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #3518 on: January 28, 2023, 08:33:44 AM »

I find it very telling that the groups like BC Salmon Farmers spin the report to suit them.
They sound like Republicans who openly lie and hope no one fact checks them.

The report talks about Sockeye salmon not being harmed by sea lice but the fish farming groups spin it to say all salmon are not harmed.

Here's a quote from the top of the article:
A new peer-reviewed Science Response Report published on the Department of Fisheries and Oceans Canada’s (DFO) website by the Canadian Science Advisory Secretariat (CSAS) concludes that sea lice on farm-raised salmon does not impact sea lice levels on wild juvenile salmon in British Columbia.

However, the body of the report refers to no impact on Sockeye. Sockeye are quite large after rearing in a lake and sea lice don't kill them.
Pinks and Chum are fry when they enter the ocean and are killed by sea lice.

Also, PRV kills Chinook salmon but some of the other reports state that PRV doesn't affect Sockeye, no mention of Chinook.

The symbiotic relationship between DFO and salmon farmers is troubling.
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #3520 on: January 29, 2023, 12:49:26 PM »

Your link doesn't support your claims.

Kibenge et al. 2013 proposed that PRV first arrived in BC from Norway sometime around 2007. However, recent testing of archived samples held by DFO has revealed that PRV has been present in salmonids on the Pacific coast of North America salmon since 1987 and possibly as early as 1977 (Marty et al. 2015; Siah et al. 2015)..

And when did fish farming start in BC:
https://bcsalmonfarmers.ca/history/#:~:text=BC's%20original%20fish%20farmers%20date,the%20BC%20Salmon%20Farmers%20Association.
BC’s original fish farmers date back to only the mid-1970s and 1980s

Studies exposing Norwegian Atlantic salmon to purified PRV showed that exposed fish replicated virus and developed histophathological lesions diagnostic of HSMI, establishing PRV as the causative agent (Wessel et al 2017)

And what country do all of the fish farm companies in BC call home - Norway.

I recall that, early on, Atlantic eggs were imported from Norway by the parent companies.

One more thing, fish farms companies release diseased fish into the ocean - which is illegal but DFO does nothing about it.
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #3521 on: January 30, 2023, 09:38:03 AM »

“I recall that, early on”?

https://griegseafood.com/bc-wild-pacific-salmon

“ Historically, Atlantic salmon were stocked by the provincial government into BC waters more than a century ago in the hopes of establishing salmon populations for recreational fishing. In 1905, 200,000 salmon were introduced into lakes and streams on the BC mainland and Vancouver Island. By 1935, over eight million Atlantic salmon had been unsuccessfully introduced into BC fresh waters.

None of these attempts were successful in establishing Atlantic salmon on BC’s Pacific coast. They were not able to spawn in streams or rivers, possibly because the existing Pacific salmon species are considered more aggressive and outcompeted them for food resources and freshwater spawning grounds.” a
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #3522 on: January 30, 2023, 10:13:42 AM »

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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #3523 on: January 30, 2023, 11:08:17 AM »

https://wdfw.wa.gov/species-habitats/invasive/salmo-salar

“ Numerous attempts were made in the 20th century by agencies on the Pacific coast to introduce and establish Atlantic salmon. The most recent effort by WDFW was in 1981, when attempted introductions were made via the release of cultured Atlantic salmon smolts. No adult Atlantic salmon returned as a result of the releases.”

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/millions-of-atlantic-salmon-introduced-to-b-c-streams-since-1905

“Nearly 200 introductions were made into 52 different water bodies and a total of 13.9 million eggs, alevins, fry or smolts were introduced,” according to a 2017 report to the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).“
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #3524 on: January 30, 2023, 12:13:03 PM »

You're posting gibberish that has nothing to do with the topic at hand - I thought a marketing person for one of the fish farm companies could do better than that.

Your first and third posts talk about attempts by the government to establish Atlantic salmon in Pacific waters a hundred years ago.

Your second post talks about salmon fishing in New York.

I personally don't have a problem with fish farms.
I just don't want them in BC killing native Pacific salmon.

It tells you a lot that Atlantic fish farms have been banned in Washington, Oregon, California and Alaska.
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