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Author Topic: Assault by jetboat operators on a fisherman on the Vedder  (Read 19989 times)

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Re: Assault by jetboat operators on a fisherman on the Vedder
« Reply #60 on: July 28, 2022, 03:55:03 PM »

So I've been in touch with the victim of the assault both through social media and phone. Yes, I am that nosy. ;) Some have mentioned that he has autism. I don't know and I'm not going to assume or ask, but I would say that he falls in a more vulnerable minority group. Super nice guy just as others who have met him describe. He briefly explained what happened prior to the incident. He and quite a few anglers were fishing along the narrow stretch just downstream from the railway bridge. Most of them were wading into the water. The jet boat was travelling upstream pretty fast and they thought it was going to slow down once it reached the narrow part where they were standing, but it didn't. As it sped up, everyone was scrambling to get out of the water while cursing at the boat. The occupants in the boat were also shouting profanity back. Immediately after the boat had passed by, The victim threw a rock into the water to show his frustration. Awhile later, as the boat travelled downstream again, he pretended to be picking up another rock and that was when the operator of the boat made the 180 and stopped.

Obviously there is one side of the story, and another side, and... the truth. ;) so I don't think anyone would know exactly what happened unless you were there. What we do know though, is what has been shown in the video. One individual decided to make some poor judgements without considering the consequences on himself, his family, friends and community.

Originally it was thought that the victim may have a couple of fractured facial bones, but he was just being checked again at the hospital and has a broken nose which does not require surgery.

The physical injuries will most likely heal faster than the mental injuries. When asked whether he has followed up with the RCMP because we want to see charges laid on this individual, he said that he is still very shaken up by it and afraid to follow up because he fears that he may not be able to fish here safely anymore if charges are laid. I said that he must follow up and will have the support from majority of the community.

I posted the following on flybc earlier today btw:

So further to my post last night regarding the restrictions that are already in place, there have been more "clarifications" which made things even more complicated, and really demonstrates the absurdity when it comes to overlap and contradictions between federal, provincial and municipal regulations.

Transport Canada has shared that "There is a universal shoreline speed restriction on all inland waters in British Columbia (10 km/h within 30 meters of shore). This restriction only applies to rivers that are more than 100m wide." Because the Chilliwack River is less than 100m wide, this speed restriction does not apply, not under any federal regulations anyway. Basically TC is saying that no speed restrictions are in place for the Chilliwack River, or any other small tributaries of the Fraser because the width does not meet the requirement.

A petition or having a bunch of people writing in is not enough to implement a ban or speed restriction. There is an application process to do this and the entire process takes about two years. 🤦‍♂️ That said, with so many groups on the same page, it may speed it up.

Nobody has yet to bring the COs into the conversations so I wonder if they in fact already can enforce some kind of provincial boating restrictions, since the COs do checks on PFDs and other safe boating requirements. I'll be reaching out to them.

Pretty confident that sooner than later we'll put an end to this circus so people can enjoy the river safely.

Some have been saying that they don't fish this river anymore because of incidents like this, I think that's really unfortunate. These incidents are so rare, for the most part I find the community has been getting closer and more positive. The only way to keep this up is to keep using the river responsibly, be nice to others instead of avoiding it and letting it overrun by irresponsible individuals. I get to fish at lots of cool places but I am actually looking forward to spending lots of days fishing the Vedder this September. I'm five minute drive from the river, and I get to see lots of other anglers who I've befriended over the years, and the chinook salmon return is expected to be much bigger this season due to the doubling of smolt production in 2019.

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Re: Assault by jetboat operators on a fisherman on the Vedder
« Reply #61 on: July 28, 2022, 04:01:03 PM »

I would not classify genuine concern as nosy. Keep up the good work rod.
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Re: Assault by jetboat operators on a fisherman on the Vedder
« Reply #62 on: July 28, 2022, 04:03:16 PM »

I could be wrong but I believe crown can pursue charges all on their own ?
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Re: Assault by jetboat operators on a fisherman on the Vedder
« Reply #63 on: July 28, 2022, 05:17:28 PM »

They sure can !!! It just depends on the officer !   The video is enough I would think.  For grounds but I’m not a officer or lawyer.   Anyways.  Good on you reaching out to the guy.   Hopefully he can return to the flow without any anxiety or fear
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Re: Assault by jetboat operators on a fisherman on the Vedder
« Reply #64 on: July 28, 2022, 05:31:00 PM »

Any chance we can reach out to the victim to show him our support somehow? Without violating his privacy.

And I would strongly encourage the victim to consider civil court; he has more then enough evidence to be compensated for his pain and suffering.

And lastly those who were fishing around him that day and chose not to help do not represent myself and my fishing friends.

Thanks Rod.
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Re: Assault by jetboat operators on a fisherman on the Vedder
« Reply #65 on: July 28, 2022, 05:55:15 PM »

Truly sad reading that rod I hope the whole guiding community comes together and turns that guy into a Parriah.

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Re: Assault by jetboat operators on a fisherman on the Vedder
« Reply #66 on: July 28, 2022, 06:19:41 PM »

So I've been in touch with the victim of the assault both through social media and phone. ...

Rod, you are an amazing person. I don't believe there is a leader in the angling community of this Province that approaches your concern for the sport and other anglers. Thank you!
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Re: Assault by jetboat operators on a fisherman on the Vedder
« Reply #67 on: July 28, 2022, 08:28:32 PM »

Not sure if it was posted but someone on here knows who owns the boat. Would like to see it posted and let the public deal with him and ruin his business as a guide.   If someone did this to an animal they would have to move out of the country, but do it to a human who will probably just let it go is disgusting.   If I had the knowledge and an internet forum or knew the right people I would spend time destroying this looser.  Hopefully someone knows where he lives and takes jack hammer to the hull..
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Re: Assault by jetboat operators on a fisherman on the Vedder
« Reply #68 on: July 28, 2022, 08:50:31 PM »

Rod, you are an amazing person. I don't believe there is a leader in the angling community of this Province that approaches your concern for the sport and other anglers. Thank you!

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Re: Assault by jetboat operators on a fisherman on the Vedder
« Reply #69 on: July 28, 2022, 09:36:04 PM »

Thanks for all the work and support Rod !
Hope the victim moves on and be able to fish the river without any fears
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Re: Assault by jetboat operators on a fisherman on the Vedder
« Reply #70 on: July 29, 2022, 10:02:04 AM »

New ad for sport fishing in Fraser Valley

Come out to the Fraser Valley and hire a fishing guide....    Fishing a little slow on your day. No problem.   Instead you can watch your guide beat senseless some random fisher on the shore ....   

No thanks -   FV guide association is going to see MAJOR decline in business if they don't get on top of this incident and make some kind of a statement.   

I would not want to accidently hire this guy as my guide... 
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Re: Assault by jetboat operators on a fisherman on the Vedder
« Reply #71 on: July 29, 2022, 10:50:00 AM »

Rod, you are an amazing person. I don't believe there is a leader in the angling community of this Province that approaches your concern for the sport and other anglers. Thank you!

Well thank you! I try to do nice things for some people once awhile. ;)

Regarding helping out the victim, I think he just wants to be left alone for the time being. The reason I wrote my last post was that he was planning to provide his version of story online but was fearing the messages and comments he'd get in return. I said let me do that for him instead. When the time comes for more support, I'll be sure to let everyone know.

New ad for sport fishing in Fraser Valley

Come out to the Fraser Valley and hire a fishing guide....    Fishing a little slow on your day. No problem.   Instead you can watch your guide beat senseless some random fisher on the shore ....   

No thanks -   FV guide association is going to see MAJOR decline in business if they don't get on top of this incident and make some kind of a statement.   

I would not want to accidently hire this guy as my guide... 

And that's exactly it isn't it? For years we've been working hard to make this a positive, safe and fun environment for anglers, and it just takes one individual to ruin it. This will take awhile to recover, and you bet that I and lots of people will be working even harder to get us back to that point sooner than later.

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Re: Assault by jetboat operators on a fisherman on the Vedder
« Reply #72 on: July 29, 2022, 01:56:01 PM »

Wonder if a couple those passengers that went flailing around when he hit the "BRAKES" won't file a claim for injury  ::)
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Re: Assault by jetboat operators on a fisherman on the Vedder
« Reply #73 on: July 29, 2022, 02:44:18 PM »

I'm just glad someone had the foresight to pull out their phone and record the whole thing.  It appears that folks have narrowed down the person or persons responsible, and that Chilliwack RCMP are investigating.  I'm hopeful that the Crown will determine that there's a likelihood of success (that video evidence will certainly help) and that prosecution would be in the public interest (folks can't be allowed to think that this behaviour is acceptable), which are the two things that the Crown considers when deciding whether to lay charges.
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Re: Assault by jetboat operators on a fisherman on the Vedder
« Reply #74 on: July 29, 2022, 05:00:33 PM »

The guiding company involved has been identified and has been making the rounds on social media. The victim also has been identified and is known on some of the social media sites. Both parties are laying low and not saying anything about the incident. Chilliwack R.C.M.P I would assume also is aware of of the identity’s of all persons involved. Charges pending.
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