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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: chardeemacdenis on August 18, 2023, 06:30:36 PM
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Looks like a banner year on deck even after the huge blowout in 2021. Looking forward to an excellent fishery for these curious and aggressive biters!
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a big reminder how much ocean conditions determine the health of our salmon fisheries.
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17 million is the current estimate.
In 2021, pinks opened in the tidal area from Sept 3 to Sept 18 - 4 per day.
PSC reports are hard to link but here's the text of the Aug 18 report (Fraser River Panel Weekly Report):
The Fraser River Panel met Friday, August 18, to receive an update on the migration of Fraser River sockeye and pink salmon and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River watershed. It is currently estimated that 689,300 sockeye and 31,500 pink salmon have passed the Mission hydroacoustics site. The Panel adopted a run size of 310,000 Early Summer-run sockeye with an associated Area 20 timing of July 24, 800,000 Summer-run sockeye with an associated Area 20 timing of August 13 and 17,000,000 pink salmon with an associated Area 20 timing of August 13.
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17M? thought it was 11.6M
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It could be 107 million and I guarantee just like 2 years ago, they won't let the sporties in until the chrome fish are done.....if we even get in at all.
Same political discriminating BS year after year.
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Could see some early fish in the river next weekend.
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I live in new west and walk the quay Almost everyday the last 3 days I’ve seen 1-3 rolling around. Durning my walk. Fingers crossed we get a chance for some fresh ones !!!!!
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As far as the nattering nabob of negativity's comments go...I don't think we have had a pink cycle when there wasn't an opening for pinks somewhere in the LM/FV since the early 90s. It's possible the estimate will rise. Pretty hard to deny one at 17 million as one was expected at the pre-season forecast.
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As far as the nattering nabob of negativity's comments go...I don't think we have had a pink cycle when there wasn't an opening for pinks somewhere in the LM/FV since the early 90s.
I'm not sure if the escapement goal has always been in the 6-8M range, but if one looks at the returns over that time period from the PSC reports, it has failed to reach that only 2 or 3 times.
I agree that the sporties have generally had it pretty good. At minimum some C&R opportunities somewhere every cycle.
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As far as the nattering nabob of negativity's comments go...I don't think we have had a pink cycle when there wasn't an opening for pinks somewhere in the LM/FV since the early 90s. It's possible the estimate will rise. Pretty hard to deny one at 17 million as one was expected at the pre-season forecast.
Out of all the species of salmon....no other is on a clock like the Pinks. Once a certain date passes....getting a chrome fish is like pulling a needle out of a haystack. 2 years ago, they let us in on Sept 11th. That is past the date of chrome fish. Yeah sure.....there are always a few beaks out there that claim they got a chrome fish regardless of the 4 inch hump on the top of it.
There was no reason that the sporties couldn't have been out earlier. However for the DFO to let us out for an 11 day season to hook into a few spawners is their way of saying "here you go....don't say we never let you fish". That is all it was.....nothing more. So you're right.....they probably won't deny us some fishing....but let's see if we actually get to fish when the majority of the fish are still chrome. I say it won't happen. I want to be wrong.
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Sept 7, 2021
One of two pinks I managed to catch on the tidal fraser over the season.
Pretty dam chrome if you ask me
And they opened it on the 3rd?
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53130906944_b75ceebcb8_w.jpg)
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Sept 7, 2021
One of two pinks I managed to catch on the tidal fraser over the season.
Pretty dam chrome if you ask me
And they opened it on the 3rd?
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53130906944_b75ceebcb8_w.jpg)
Non tidal which is where I fish was the 11th
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So was the Tidal Fraser Only opening in 2021 to discourage certain techniques in the Non Tidal?
The test catches remain strong. I keep expecting it to wind down, but then it goes up again.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4ELMEOaIAAZzjq?format=png&name=small)
No chrome fish are available. Look at these boots.
When there is an opening go out and fish.
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If the numbers actually come to fruition it will be a great year. I usually get alot of chrome fish in the first 2-3 weeks of September. The fish at that time kn the lower faser are still great eating. It would be nice to see them open it in the last week of August though, just so I don't have to drive as far to enjoy some salmon fishing.
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Like I said....I've been fishing the LM salmon (non tidal) for almost 40 years now. The definition of what a 'Chrome' fish is very highly subjective to the point where I wonder if some people have ever caught what is a truly 'chrome' fish.
Pink salmon are not like Coho, Springs (especially reds), or Sockeye where the latter 3 hold their eating quality for a much longer time than Pinks do.
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Remember that were against the steelhead closure now and will be closed around September 19 for lower Fraser. so to maximise opportunity early open would be welcomed.
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Oh I'm aware of the quality, I may not have a whole lot of posts on here but I've been fishing avidly for 20 years. Caught countless pinks coho ect. many many pinks in lower fraser still come with there sea scales and great quality. There are humpers too but very easy to get quality pinks.
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Oh I'm aware of the quality, I may not have a whole lot of posts on here but I've been fishing avidly for 20 years. Caught countless pinks coho ect. many many pinks in lower fraser still come with there sea scales and great quality. There are humpers too but very easy to get quality pinks.
absolutely. I've caught them all through Sept even October some years. Biggest I ever weighed was 7lb male caught in October - so silver and fought so well I thought it might be a coho.
Big chrome males can have humps as well. The hump is supposedly a dominance feature and females probably select mates based on size.
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Oh for sure, I've been catching silver humpers off of amble side and bowen for the last 2 weekends.
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I watched the test nets today. In new west. Through the public binos. They had a good hall lots of nice fish tonight. Some big springs! It looked like. Then I sat and had a wobbly pop and watched the river. Lots of fish jumping around. Seen a sturgeon come fully out of the water also , that’s always fun 🤩 I guess I should start polishing up the pink lures. And Colorado’s
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some cycles ago I fished the Fraser just off the Mastqui Trail near Ridgedale. There were a half dozen people fishing but not much going on. Then there were some rises and in an hour 1 guy hooked 4 and landed 3 using a big all pink spinner. The rest of us were skunked. Obviously he flossed them! ;D
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I watched the test nets today. In new west. Through the public binos. They had a good hall lots of nice fish tonight. Some big springs! It looked like. Then I sat and had a wobbly pop and watched the river. Lots of fish jumping around. Seen a sturgeon come fully out of the water also , that’s always fun 🤩 I guess I should start polishing up the pink lures. And Colorado’s
tasmanian devils only!! Will be posting my report after my camping trip
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"Tassie Devils only", love it. The lure has been around for almost ever and out of the blue it's the "go to" lure this year. I see what a little promotion by a few does to a market place.
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Brownsville test got a decent number pinks yesterday enough in the lower river now that an angler could expect some success
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So many pinks surfacing in chilliwack this morning, really hope we get an opening
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the most numerous salmon in the river currently is sockeye, not pinks. While Brownsville had a ok number (71 or something) Whonnock and Cottonwood did not. Not even 1% of the pink run estimate has passed the Mission hydro-acoustic barrier.
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What does sockeye have to do with it???
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SFAB is working hard on trying to get the lower river open for pink fishing asap. it's all political on why it's not open now.
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I've pursued this fishery since about '93. My consistent experience is the fishing is not all that great until into September. I also have seen lots of people pulled out onto the river in August by the excessive hype and 'gold rush' attitude and just basically waste their time & a lot of gasoline. It's more true below Mission where the river is broader and subject to tides. The current is most often mild or moderate and fish spread out over much of it. SFAB can't make the fish move into the river any faster by getting an opening now or a week from now. Just my 2 cents.
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Considering how many interior coho and steelhead that got bonked in the last sockeye opening I can well see why other groups don't want rec anglers on the river.
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How does flossing sockeye have anything to do with fishing for pinks on the lower Fraser below mission bridge.
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I've pursued this fishery since about '93. My consistent experience is the fishing is not all that great until into September. I also have seen lots of people pulled out onto the river in August by the excessive hype and 'gold rush' attitude and just basically waste their time & a lot of gasoline. It's more true below Mission where the river is broader and subject to tides. The current is most often mild or moderate and fish spread out over much of it. SFAB can't make the fish move into the river any faster by getting an opening now or a week from now. Just my 2 cents.
lol i guess its a good thing fishing for cutthroat is not determined by your same rules of there must be abundance or keep it closed. Surly you of all people understand that.
There is thousands of pinks in the river right now if people want to and par take in a fishery with little to no by catch, even if the chances are very low let them, There is really no reason not to, especially given the IN season forecast, given that the fishery will be closed September 18th. We are not a commercial fishery, there does not need to millions.
not to mention pink run timing has been trending earlier as well.
stop acting like a curmudgeon
Let people get back on the Fraser where they can have space
This is some of the worst DFO management I've ever seen, They need to go back managing fisheries and not people. They should be acting as public servant and not political pawns, I would be disgusted to be part of DFO right now, such a shame management has became. We sit a twiddle our thumbs while the Americans go out and fish.
UNITED STATES FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS
TREATY TRIBAL FISHERY:
Areas 4B, 5, and 6C: Extend for drift gillnet fishing from 12 p.m. (noon), Tuesday,
August 22, 2023 through 12 p.m. (noon), Friday, August 25, 2023. Sockeye must be released.
Areas 6, 7, and 7A: Open for net fishing from 5 a.m. through 9 p.m., Wednesday, August
23, 2023 and 5 a.m. through 9 p.m., Friday, August 25, 2023. Sockeye must be released.
ALL CITIZEN FISHERY:
Areas 7 and 7A: Open for purse seine fishing from 5 a.m. through 9 p.m., Thursday,
August 24, 2023 and 5 a.m. through 9 p.m., Friday, August 25, 2023. Sockeye must be released.
Areas 7 and 7A: Open for drift gillnet fishing from 8 a.m. through 11:59 p.m., Thursday,
August 24, 2023 and 8 a.m. through 11:59 p.m., Friday, August 25, 2023. Sockeye must be
released.
Areas 7: Open for reef net fishing 5 a.m. through 9 p.m., Wednesday, August 23, 2023,
5 a.m. through 9 p.m., Thursday, August 24, 2023, and 5 a.m. through 9 p.m., Friday, August 25,
2023. Sockeye must be released.
The next in-season meeting of the Panel is scheduled to occur on Friday, August 25, 2023.
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Of course the US has a better system than ours ...and it's our own fault. But you don't comprehend that.
It takes millions of fish in the lower Fraser to make good fishing. You don't know this because you don't do it.
You of course don't fish freshwater much. But you have a lot of opinions about it. I am sure your perspective is influenced by how many pinks you can catch outside at the mouth, in the chuck & not the river. That is fine! However all I am trying to tell people if they open the Fraser tomorrow don't swarm down there expecting to catch limits of pink salmon. They will likely be skunked. Go back and read the reports for 2021.
You are also dead wrong about the trend is earlier. Most other Canadian rivers are weeks late. We are in the midst of long drought. Historically all salmon species tend to delay their migration upstream in such conditions
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How does flossing sockeye have anything to do with fishing for pinks on the lower Fraser below mission bridge.
The same actors that proudly displayed their misidentified fish, got tickets, and those that didn't get caught will be out for an opening in the lower Fraser. Right now the First Nations chinook fishery explicitly excludes sockeye to the point where DFO has met fishers at the launch and forced them to dump sockeye that had already died in their net. The evidence is pretty clear that some rec anglers aren't sufficiently qualified so as long as DFO is forcing FN to dump sockeye I doubt there is going to be a hurry to open up any part of the Fraser where misidentified fish are harder to police. It will open up eventually but there'll be so many pinks around bycatch becomes negligible. Unless of course the late sockeye come back less than expected then its off to the Vedder canal for spawners ;D
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Of course the US has a better system than ours ...and it's our own fault. But you don't comprehend that.
It takes millions of fish in the lower Fraser to make good fishing. You don't know this because you don't do it.
You of course don't fish freshwater much. But you have a lot of opinions about it. I am sure your perspective is influenced by how many pinks you can catch outside at the mouth, in the chuck & not the river. That is fine! However all I am trying to tell people if they open the Fraser tomorrow don't swarm down there expecting to catch limits of pink salmon. They will likely be skunked. Go back and read the reports for 2021.
You are also dead wrong about the trend is earlier. Most other Canadian rivers are weeks late. We are in the midst of long drought. Historically all salmon species tend to delay their migration upstream in such conditions
I am not the one that said they are Early and have been trending early in recent years PSC did if you actually read the reports u touted earlier you would know that. I also acknowledged there's not a lot of pinks in the system but that doesn't mean people should not have the opportunity to fish for them.
If they are returning later then that would mean a much larger forecast. Yes i know its based on marine but in river is usually 10 days to 14 later. Yes i know some portion of pinks will delay at the mouth, always happens but they only have so much reserves and will move. Will see the numbers over the next 10 days in river go way up. DFO told us for example early Stuart sockeye only have 3 days worth of storage.
Historical timing distribution
• Pink timing in marine areas in recent years has shifted earlier
• Area 20 dates since 2009 have ranged from August 17th to August 29th
≥ 70% of the run size has been accounted for in catch + escapement. Good indication of run size; peak fo the run has been observed at
Mission, uncertainty relates to seaward abundancePink run size based on timing
Catch+Escapement To Date: 34,000
Based on timing of 13-Aug 50% Date 17,063,500
Based on timing of 14-Aug 50% Date 20,397,500
Based on timing of 15-Aug 50% Date 21,433,000
Based on timing of 16-Aug 50% Date 21,886,000
Based on timing of 17-Aug 50% Date 23,511,000
*Based on % seaward in 2015, 2017, 2019 and 2021 if timing is later than 17-Aug
*Equal to double the reconstructed abundance if timing is earlier than 18-Aug
To bad DFO continues to manage the recreation fishery into extinction with fan boys like yourself cheering them on. Piss poor, im sure will see you gloating come the steelhead closure too.
Also I don’t know why u take it so personal every time we talk about opening the Fraser, you were mad and argument about sockeye last year, pinks before that
Don’t no why you get so pissy
DFO is constantly fishing the tail end of runs
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The same actors that proudly displayed their misidentified fish, got tickets, and those that didn't get caught will be out for an opening in the lower Fraser. Right now the First Nations chinook fishery explicitly excludes sockeye to the point where DFO has met fishers at the launch and forced them to dump sockeye that had already died in their net. The evidence is pretty clear that some rec anglers aren't sufficiently qualified so as long as DFO is forcing FN to dump sockeye I doubt there is going to be a hurry to open up any part of the Fraser where misidentified fish are harder to police. It will open up eventually but there'll be so many pinks around bycatch becomes negligible. Unless of course the late sockeye come back less than expected then its off to the Vedder canal for spawners ;D
So Rec for pink cant open because FN have to dump sockeye, If you think they are dumping lots now wait till they dump all the pinks across the lower mainland
sounds about right for DFO these days
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The same actors that proudly displayed their misidentified fish, got tickets, and those that didn't get caught will be out for an opening in the lower Fraser. Right now the First Nations chinook fishery explicitly excludes sockeye to the point where DFO has met fishers at the launch and forced them to dump sockeye that had already died in their net. The evidence is pretty clear that some rec anglers aren't sufficiently qualified so as long as DFO is forcing FN to dump sockeye I doubt there is going to be a hurry to open up any part of the Fraser where misidentified fish are harder to police. It will open up eventually but there'll be so many pinks around bycatch becomes negligible. Unless of course the late sockeye come back less than expected then its off to the Vedder canal for spawners ;D
I will bring this up at tomorrows meeting thanks
DFO retracted done earlier statements that FN management is not influencing their decisions in the lower Fraser Rec. It’s post like these tho thst clearly shows it is.
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Historical timing distribution
• Pink timing in marine areas in recent years has shifted earlier
• Area 20 dates since 2009 have ranged from August 17th to August 29th
≥ 70% of the run size has been accounted for in catch + escapement. Good indication of run size; peak fo the run has been observed at
Mission, uncertainty relates to seaward abundancePink run size based on timing
Catch+Escapement To Date: 34,000
Based on timing of 13-Aug 50% Date 17,063,500
Based on timing of 14-Aug 50% Date 20,397,500
Based on timing of 15-Aug 50% Date 21,433,000
Based on timing of 16-Aug 50% Date 21,886,000
Based on timing of 17-Aug 50% Date 23,511,000
*Based on % seaward in 2015, 2017, 2019 and 2021 if timing is later than 17-Aug
*Equal to double the reconstructed abundance if timing is earlier than 18-Aug
these are neither catch or escapement numbers based on previous cycles and a variety of timings. Escapement as of yesterday was about 131,000. Total catch is about 900k ... a million total of an estimate of 17 million.
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If you don’t like the things I have to say perhaps someone with a wee bit more experience in fishies may
All: Below are the 2023 PSC test-fishing seine catches, compared (to brood year) for Area 20 (San Juan) and Area 12 (Blinkhorn) plotted in graphs, to August 20.
The 2023 catch rates remain very high for Pinks (7x parental [brood] year in Area 20; 4x parental year in Area 12), for a 2021 brood-year return of approximately 8 million fish.
The catches are also comparatively strong for Sockeye (17x parental year in Area 20; 2x parental returns in Area 12, for a return of 600,000 fish) relative to the weak returns for 2019.
On Friday the PSC increased the return to the Fraser River to 17 million Pinks, a large upgrade over the 6.1 million initially predicted. Based on PSC test fishery seine catches, Sockeye also seem to be stronger than brood, but the in-season numbers are not in yet for the "Summers".
So, the question to DFO is: what is the justification in keeping the Fraser River angler out of the water for Pinks any longer? The Sockeye Salmon bycatch mortality must be the only sticking point. And if it is, what is the estimate that DFO has for the numbers that would be expected to die as a result of prosecuting this fishery? We have now been told that these decisions as to whether-or-not we go in the river are not political, hence they must be based on some sort of calculated/estimated numbers.
Total and proportional rod and reel by-catch catch and release mortality on a much stronger Sockeye Salmon run (2023) than brood 2019 cannot be significant for a Fraser River rod-and-reel fishery, especially considering both conservation and FSC needs are being dealt with in other ways. Five or six years ago I did an analyses of the rod and reel bycatch (e.g., sox) for the Fraser River creel survey data that DFO collected over a number of previous years. Even with bottom bouncing taking place, the total and proportional bycatch C&R Sockeye Salmon mortality by Fraser River anglers upstream of Mission was almost indiscernible as a rounding error.
I note that there presently is by-catch mortality of sox in the Chinook Salmon gillnet FSC fisheries that are currently being prosecuted in the Fraser River. These later-summer Fraser River Chinook Salmon returns in 2023 are as strong as they have been over the last 20 years (based on the Albion test fishery values), yet we are also being kept out of the water for these stocks in respect to harvesting this species. Why? Twenty years ago it wasn't a problem for us to be in the river harvesting Chinooks at this time of the year for these numbers of returns, so why not now?
Angler by-catch of sockeye cannot be an issue if bottom bouncing is limited, or restricted, as it was in the 2021 Pink Salmon sport fishery regulations for a fishery on these stocks, and that was allowed in the Fraser River upstream of Mission for Pink Salmon that year. https://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=250216&ID=all . I am not aware of any outstanding problems with that Pink Salmon sport fishery in 2021. I add that the Thompson River was opened on Sept 11, as well, for Pinks. https://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=250186&ID=all I am not aware of any by-catch issues on the Thompson River watershed. Further, the tidal portion of the Fraser River was opened on Sept 3, 2023, with no apparent bycatch issues https://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=249849&ID=all Notably, downstream of Mission, in the slower tidal waters, the numbers of bottom bouncing is limited-to-non-existent in my experience.
Last week we were also told by DFO that the total 2021 tidal + non-tidal pre-fishery expected catch numbers were going to be ~25,000 pieces, but apparently this did no come close to reaching this estimated value in 2021. I am assuming that the 2023 harvest would be similar in magnitude, but adjusted for the larger run. These are small harvests relative to returns. Moreover, this is a niche fishery that is mostly undertaken by family and beginner fishers fishing off of the banks in the Mission/Abbotsford area. And by anglers that don't have the resources to go afar and capitalize on expensive gear, boats, accommodation.
As of last Weds, in our ONLINE the Fraser angler Pink and Sockeye angling meeting we were told that the harvestable surplus (with a pre-season value of 6.1 million for Pinks) was 2.6 with the upgraded run number of 8.6 million. With a subsequent upgrade to 17 million on Friday, this TAC is presumably ~10 million fish. And I am assuming that there will be some significant EO fisheries as a result of this large return. So, why not us, especially if we integrate the 2021 rules and suggestions as per that year's fishery openings, which seemed to be adequate for that year?
MARVIN ROSENAU
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There may not be a crap ton of pinks in the system as of right now but to be honest I would enjoy the opportunity to atleast attempt it, spend some evening after work trying to catch my supper. And I know my chances of bycatch sockeye will be almost non existent. I know bad apples ruin it for the rest of us, but I can't see many sockeye being caught on the lower fraser. My work is on the side of the fraser in maple ridge and I e been seeing a fair bit of action out there as of recently. I don't mind waiting at all but given the opportunity I would be out there. It would be nice to have DFO recognize that the recreational fishery in the lower fraser has minimal impact on sockeye escapement.
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If you don’t like the things I have to say perhaps someone with a wee bit more experience in fishies may
Exactly what are you saying?
the below, particularly the openings quoted for the non-tidal section is more consistent with what I am saying.
Angler by-catch of sockeye cannot be an issue if bottom bouncing is limited, or restricted, as it was in the 2021 Pink Salmon sport fishery regulations for a fishery on these stocks, and that was allowed in the Fraser River upstream of Mission for Pink Salmon that year. https://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=250216&ID=all . I am not aware of any outstanding problems with that Pink Salmon sport fishery in 2021. I add that the Thompson River was opened on Sept 11, as well, for Pinks. https://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=250186&ID=all I am not aware of any by-catch issues on the Thompson River watershed. Further, the tidal portion of the Fraser River was opened on Sept 3, 2023, with no apparent bycatch issues https://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=249849&ID=all Notably, downstream of Mission, in the slower tidal waters, the numbers of bottom bouncing is limited-to-non-existent in my experience.
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As of last Weds, in our ONLINE the Fraser angler Pink and Sockeye angling meeting we were told that the harvestable surplus (with a pre-season value of 6.1 million for Pinks) was 2.6 with the upgraded run number of 8.6 million. With a subsequent upgrade to 17 million on Friday, this TAC is presumably ~10 million fish. And I am assuming that there will be some significant EO fisheries as a result of this large return. So, why not us, especially if we integrate the 2021 rules and suggestions as per that year's fishery openings, which seemed to be adequate for that year?
MARVIN ROSENAU
All I have said is why rush to open the lower river when there are not many pinks in the river as yet. A Labour Day opening is more consistent with what's been done in the last couple of cycles and timing of fish movement in the lower river tends to favor the best fishing in the following week or 2.
Are we both happy now?
I have also said I favor a quicker opening of the mouth.
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I will bring this up at tomorrows meeting thanks
DFO retracted done earlier statements that FN management is not influencing their decisions in the lower Fraser Rec. It’s post like these tho thst clearly shows it is.
100% DFO is totally managing the fishery for one group. Constitution gives access to FSC fish but does not give exclusive opportunity to one user group. It's beyond a joke how DFO manages all fisheries in BC . Nowhere does science really mean anything.
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Exactly what are you saying?
the below, particularly the openings quoted for the non-tidal section is more consistent with what I am saying?
All i have said is why rush to open the lower river when there are not many pinks in the river as yet. A Labour Day opening is more consistent with what's been done in the last couple of cycles and timing of fish movement in the lower river tends to favor the best fishing in the following week or 2.
Are we both happy now?
I have also said I favor a quicker opening of the mouth.
why "rush" an opening? because fishing is about expectations and hope to catch not guaranteed catching. Plus with the interior coho and steelhead closures looming in the middle of September the season will become incredibly short. why open the Vedder/Chilliwack on July 1 for Chinook fishing? Very rarely is there many or any there then. Why not wait until July 20th when the run will be in? That's what it appears you are advocating for.
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and now there is an estimated return of 110,000 white chinook to the Harrison but there will be not sports fishery allowed on them.
Outstanding management by DFO to keep this fishery closed.
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So Rec for pink cant open because FN have to dump sockeye, If you think they are dumping lots now wait till they dump all the pinks across the lower mainland
sounds about right for DFO these days
The only FN dumping Sockeye are the ones when the DFO happens to be there when they are bringing in their nets.
I have first hand information and when I say first hand information....I mean first hand information that the FN is selling both Sockeye and Chinook on the streets. It is happening. I don't want anyone putting their heads up their you know what pretending it isn't happening. Sockeye and Springs are being sold right now by the FN....and NOT just a few isolated here and there. People in Chilliwack are buying sockeye and springs from the FN. That is a fact.
As for Ralph.....same Ralph...different year.
It is absolutely mind boggling how giddy you get when the sporties get shut down on the Fraser...every time. For the life of me, I cannot understand you. And like Wildmanyeah says....you're explanation and reasoning as to why the sporties aren't fishing is complete unresearched gibberish. If there was ever a time I wanted to take home a Pink in the non tidal Fraser....it is in the next 7 days. The late August pinks (even though more challenging to catch than in September)....are immaculate table fare. If the run is truly 17 million, then conservation is not even a consideration as to when we fish (front end of the fishery) because the sporties won't even bonk 50k. You should know that, but you always conveniently leave this sort of reasoning out of your argument.
You claim to be a sport fishermen....you claim to love what we do.....but your words over the last 2 decades prove you are a fake. You are no different than the political puppets that are placed into DFO.
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why "rush" an opening? because fishing is about expectations and hope to catch not guaranteed catching. Plus with the interior coho and steelhead closures looming in the middle of September the season will become incredibly short. why open the Vedder/Chilliwack on July 1 for Chinook fishing? Very rarely is there many or any there then. Why not wait until July 20th when the run will be in? That's what it appears you are advocating for.
exactly when would you advocate opening the fishery? Within the next hour? Tomorrow?
supperbobby aka (RobbieG) - I wonder if you can ever respond to a discussion without a) some sort of attack on FNs b) an ad hominem attack on me ( or someone else). some years back you said Pinks taste like sh*t on your tongue... now you can't wait to eat as much as you can get.
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Well i personally would like to see it open. For me it is not about putting a fish on the table. It is more about going down to the Fraser and taking the kids, teaching them to cast, enjoying time with friends, relaxing, unwinding etc. It is a great social time for all ages and skill levels. Cannot believe people don't want anyone fishing the lower now. Let them decide if they want to spend gas and time how they want. Complete garbage. I never chime in but wow Ralph, i thought more of you. I'm 60 and grew up in the Port Kells area fishing as a kid rising my bike down to the river. What a shame. Carry on kids with your screen time.
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sorry but I never said I don't want the river below Mission open... or perhaps you should apologize to me. You can take the kids out now - there is nothing to stop you. you just can't target salmon. What's stopping you?
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Well i personally would like to see it open. For me it is not about putting a fish on the table. It is more about going down to the Fraser and taking the kids, teaching them to cast, enjoying time with friends, relaxing, unwinding etc. It is a great social time for all ages and skill levels. Cannot believe people don't want anyone fishing the lower now. Let them decide if they want to spend gas and time how they want. Complete garbage. I never chime in but wow Ralph, i thought more of you. I'm 60 and grew up in the Port Kells area fishing as a kid rising my bike down to the river. What a shame. Carry on kids with your screen time.
I say just wait for them to open the lower for pinks in September. If I recall that has been when they have opened the lower for pinks in the past decade or so. The bulk of the run is in September, plenty of opportunity. Now if they choose not to open the lower Fraser when the test numbers have been so high then that is a real shame.
Trust me I want my kids to spend as much time outdoors and hopefully get them onto fishing, Pinks are a great intro to salmon fishing.
I would like an opening for bar fishing for coho on the lower fraser in October, I know it won't happen and thats' a real shame. I spent my youth bar fishing at the Ritchie Bro.s bar up from brownsville.
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sorry but I never said I don't want the river below Mission open... or perhaps you should apologize to me. You can take the kids out now - there is nothing to stop you. you just can't target salmon. What's stopping you?
no you just said there's no point in opening it and defended DFO for keeping it closed.
But yes you are technically right you never said you don't want it open,
Internet wins for you!!! you get one point!! everyone else just gets a case of heartburn
glad you agree that it should be open
The End, doneso, complete, finato
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The only FN dumping Sockeye are the ones when the DFO happens to be there when they are bringing in their nets.
I have first hand information and when I say first hand information....I mean first hand information that the FN is selling both Sockeye and Chinook on the streets. It is happening. I don't want anyone putting their heads up their you know what pretending it isn't happening. Sockeye and Springs are being sold right now by the FN....and NOT just a few isolated here and there. People in Chilliwack are buying sockeye and springs from the FN. That is a fact.
I'm not surprised. For some FN fishers salmon season is a main part of their yearly income. They have first crack at the fish, so people are just going to have to wrap their heads around that or be forever frustrated. They are not targeting sockeye but some do inevitably die in the net, so is it better to throw it back for sturgeon bait or turn it into some new shoes for back to school. I ve seen all sides of the sockeye economy, and I'd say its a net positive for the community. My sockeye guy said NO sales right now, but he did give me an ice cream bucket of spring roe yesterday.
If you've witnessed someone selling retained sockeye during a time of non retention did you phone RAPP?
I'd like to see the river open more than most. However, negligent anglers have spoiled the broth. The conditions are perfect for a rec chinook opening but few anglers left have experience with a stationary rod. In the past DFO has asked anglers to avoid flossing during chinook openings, were ignored, and now here we are. The fishery has been reduced to mitigate the stupidest anglers. Its going to be the same with pinks.
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exactly when would you advocate opening the fishery? Within the next hour? Tomorrow?
Wow....it's like you've almost started to listen to others. Yes.....tomorrow would be good....the next hour would be even better. I'm not working today.
supperbobby aka (RobbieG) - I wonder if you can ever respond to a discussion without a) some sort of attack on FNs b)
If calling out the FNs for selling fish illegally is considered some sort of attack by you....then I guess I'm guilty. ::)
an ad hominem attack on me ( or someone else).
No personal attacks on you. Your own words prove everything I said. It seems others agree with me.
some years back you said Pinks taste like sh*t on your tongue... now you can't wait to eat as much as you can get.
True enough. But since the sockeye, spring, and coho seasons have all but disappeared on the Fraser, a person has to be less picky....but there is more to it then that, so I'll explain.....
My comments in the past on pinks being horrible table fare comes in the context that I never fished for them until the 2nd week of September because I was still bar fishing for Red Spring Jacks, early coho, and bottom bouncing for sockeye up until about after Labor day or so. I would usually just keep the female Pinks for roe (october coho season) and feed my cat with the rest over the winter. By the 2nd week of September in the non tidal....the pinks are truly garbage for eating. I stand by that. As the DFO kept cutting our seasons more and more, there was one season (can't remember how long ago), but they opened Pinks sometime in August (no opportunities for other salmon at that time for whatever reason). I had no salmon at home but I caught a chrome female pink around the 3rd week of Aug, so I cooked it up. I was very surprised how nice it was to eat. In no way would I compare it to coho, sockeye, or spring....but it was good. I would eat it again, and I have a few times since then.
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I'm not surprised. For some FN fishers salmon season is a main part of their yearly income. They have first crack at the fish, so people are just going to have to wrap their heads around that or be forever frustrated. They are not targeting sockeye but some do inevitably die in the net, so is it better to throw it back for sturgeon bait or turn it into some new shoes for back to school. I ve seen all sides of the sockeye economy, and I'd say its a net positive for the community. My sockeye guy said NO sales right now, but he did give me an ice cream bucket of spring roe yesterday.
There is no way that FNs should be making money off of this salmon resource before British Columbian families get a chance to fish for them. That is complete racism and discrimination. Hypocrisy for a country that claims we are a nation of equality.
The FN sockeye economy is NOT a positive. It breeds dissention and racism towards the FN people. There is nothing worse than observing special interest groups receive special privileges and benefits because they are of some minority. I'm not singling out FNs here either.
If you've witnessed someone selling retained sockeye during a time of non retention did you phone RAPP?
My time is way too valuable to spend an hour on the phone waiting for a call that will NEVER result in a conviction. There are NO convictions for FNs who break the fishing laws. Never have been. I'm not wasting my time.
The conditions are perfect for a rec chinook opening but few anglers left have experience with a stationary rod.
Oh...we're still here. My spin n glos are covered in dust and my bar rods haven't seen the light of day in sooooo long. I have 30 or 40 different lead weights....you name it.....I tried to sell my bar fishing gear one year for dirt cheap and had zero replies.
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no you just said there's no point in opening it and defended DFO for keeping it closed.
But yes you are technically right you never said you don't want it open,
Internet wins for you!!! you get one point!! everyone else just gets a case of heartburn
glad you agree that it should be open
The End, doneso, complete, finato
I don't believe I defended dfo either. I don't see the point in opening it ASAP which is what redside said the SFAB wants.
My reasoning basically is this... i mean you guys understand what reasoning is?... and you brought this up earlier, with the IFS and IFC closures there is a limited window for an opening. In 2021 it was open for about 2 weeks. So if they limit it to 2 weeks, what is point of opening it in late August when the better fishing is likely in September, roughly around Sept 7 to the 21st?
So we disagree. Big deal. It;s an opinion. Why do a few of you go ballistic or tell me I should be ashamed of myself? I'm not the SFAB so my minority opinion won't be heard there.
I wait patiently to see what you folks can achieve.
Take care and have a nice day.
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oh and god bless you, everyone!
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I wait patiently to see what you folks can achieve.
may open this Saturday, down stream of hope, 4 a day and closing sept 18th, down stream of mission bridge, and closing sept 20th down stream of hope. Would give a 3 week opening
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Saw a lot of jumpers today while taking a walk @ lower fraser......good to know that they are in healthy numbers
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may open this Saturday, down stream of hope, 4 a day and closing sept 18th, down stream of mission bridge, and closing sept 20th down stream of hope. Would give a 3 week opening
That would be awesome!! Even if we (dad and I) get skunked, its good to have that opportunity to fish for pink salmon
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The Tidal Fraser River is scheduled to open this Saturday. With a record run size expected and exceptionally clear water due to low discharge, fishing should be good for everyone. This is a bitter sweet moment for me, to see that many fish expected the spawning grounds. My dad is expected to pass away within a week from now, and he has been looking forward to this year's return so much even last week he was still asking me when it will opening while in the state of delirium. He will be missing what he has been longing for so long. I'm devastated.
I hope everyone will treasure and enjoy every opportunity we get to have this fall, and share those experiences with others. ❤️
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Sending my love your way Rod, your father is a great man who raised a great man. Wish you all the best, and I promise things like this will not go to waste and your message reaches far and wide.
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Even in face of such a tragic situation, you still find time for the rest of us. Indeed, your father is a special man who taught his son well. So sorry to hear
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The Tidal Fraser River is scheduled to open this Saturday. With a record run size expected and exceptionally clear water due to low discharge, fishing should be good for everyone. This is a bitter sweet moment for me, to see that many fish expected the spawning grounds. My dad is expected to pass away within a week from now, and he has been looking forward to this year's return so much even last week he was still asking me when it will opening while in the state of delirium. He will be missing what he has been longing for so long. I'm devastated.
I hope everyone will treasure and enjoy every opportunity we get to have this fall, and share those experiences with others. ❤️
I am so sorry to hear that Rod ! Its incredibly difficult time and hope you and everyone around you stay strong and I pray for your dad to have a peaceful rest of the time here.
This hit really close to my heart as my father is here for the first time salmon fishing and he is really big into fishing....so ill be cherishing all the moments i get to spend with him.....
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That would be awesome!! Even if we (dad and I) get skunked, its good to have that opportunity to fish for pink salmon
And this is what it’s all about, the chance to go and have a day with family fishing, enjoying the orders and if one bites, great! It’s not about catching as mushbhad it’s about fishing.
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My thoughts are with you and your family, Rod.
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So sorry about your dad Rodney. My thoughts are with you and your family. I have had the opportunity to fish next to your dad and it is obvious he has the passion for the sport. I wish peace and that he does not suffer. We are here for you.
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Rod, so sorry to hear that, take care! Wish happiness and love be with your father, and you cherish every moment spent with him!
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If the returns come in as per the forecast of 17 million it's not a record year; 2003, 2009, 2011 and 2013 were higher.
After the high test catches in the Area 12 Seine test fishery Aug 9-12, catches there have dropped off considerably from an average of 73k to 19k over the last 4 days not to mention Aug 17 & 18 when the catches were 385 and 9 respectively. The average of the last 5 days in the Area 20 Seine test fishery is 5.5k The last panel report was Aug 18th.
The fish at the Area 12 and 20 test sites have to swim to the mouth of the Fraser which takes them several days. Then they usual lay off the river for a time as their systems adjust to the Fraser water environment. Yet to be seen when they will enter the river in numbers.
When looking at the big years such as 2013 one thing I notice is that the big test fishery numbers continue well into late August and even into September. Area 12 average from Aug 24 to Sep 2 2013 the average was 39k.
Perhaps the spawn in the Fraser valley in 2021 didn't escape serious loss from the major flood as we hoped though the upper Fraser, Thompson and Seaton fish did.
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Sorry to hear about your Father Rod. We can all see what a loving son you've been. My best wishes to your family.
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i'm so sorry about your dad Rod. My thoughts are with you and your family.
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Thanks all. Get out there and enjoy the next few weeks. This is truly a family friendly fishery. I doubt I will have the heart to go out this season, but will be trying to bring my boys out to have the same experiences which I had with my dad.
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Sorry about your dad. He lives a long fruitful life raising a good son. Best wishes to your family at this difficult time.
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Rod, my condolences . I'm sure your father will tell you to get out there and slay those fish's for him . That's what he would want .
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The Saturday opening of pinks will coincide with a general commercial opening for pinks.
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I’m sorry to hear about that, Rodney.
I remember the first picture I saw of your dad was on an earlier version of FWR and your dad was proudly holding a Stave R coho. In all pictures you’ve shared since, he was a happy man when he was fishing.
My condolences as you and your family grieve his passing.
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If the returns come in as per the forecast of 17 million it's not a record year; 2003, 2009, 2011 and 2013 were higher.
After the high test catches in the Area 12 Seine test fishery Aug 9-12, catches there have dropped off considerably from an average of 73k to 19k over the last 4 days not to mention Aug 17 & 18 when the catches were 385 and 9 respectively. The average of the last 5 days in the Area 20 Seine test fishery is 5.5k The last panel report was Aug 18th.
The fish at the Area 12 and 20 test sites have to swim to the mouth of the Fraser which takes them several days. Then they usual lay off the river for a time as their systems adjust to the Fraser water environment. Yet to be seen when they will enter the river in numbers.
When looking at the big years such as 2013 one thing I notice is that the big test fishery numbers continue well into late August and even into September. Area 12 average from Aug 24 to Sep 2 2013 the average was 39k.
Perhaps the spawn in the Fraser valley in 2021 didn't escape serious loss from the major flood as we hoped though the upper Fraser, Thompson and Seaton fish did.
70 thousand area 20 yesterday
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70k fish a new peak. That will change the data model and estimates to be even higher.
Rod,
Sorry to hear about your father. I went through this years ago. It does get easier to cope over time.
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Fishing should be good by Tuesday with cooler temps and some rain.
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Looks like I was premature in booking my holiday week for second week of September :/ lol
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70k fish a new peak. That will change the data model and estimates to be even higher.
Rod,
Sorry to hear about your father. I went through this years ago. It does get easier to cope over time.
No, 3rd highest of the season.
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Sorry to hear about your father Rod. Lost my father and favourite fishing buddy in 2017. Last time I fished with him was at Tunkwa lake, a place I know you’re familiar with, possibly with your father ? I have great fishing memories as I’m sure you do.
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My condolences during this difficult time Rod. I think you are doing the right thing taking the time to grieve and process everything.
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Sorry to hear about the news Rod. Best wishes to you and your family
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Rod, sorry to hear about your father. Best wishes to you and your family during this difficult time.
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No, 3rd highest of the season.
Highest in area 20. 3rd overall.
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If they open; any suggestions on locations from shore. I'm in Dichmond. I was thinking garry point but also heard Deas isle maybe good too. I've never fished there on the river side. Any tips appreciated for that general vicinity - I've got my nephews with me so it be nice to connect with a fish.
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Used to live in Richmond and fished for pinks a lot.
The south end of #3 Rd and #4 Rd on Dyke Rd is good.
There's a "fishing pier" at #3 Rd & I have done well just west of there on the rocks.
That whole area east and west of the pier and dog park are good.
Also, there are several areas in Deas Island Park that are reasonable.
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Fishing should be good by Tuesday with cooler temps and some rain.
just need good numbers of fish( ;) and the right tide for the location. Also don't fish the north side between New Westminster and Haney. They tend to stay on the south until they are past the Pitt River confluence.
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Has anyone here ever fished for pinks in area 29-12 before? I was thinking maybe around the fraser river dog park
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Has anyone here ever fished for pinks in area 29-12 before? I was thinking maybe around the fraser river dog park
marpole?
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Used to live in Richmond and fished for pinks a lot.
The south end of #3 Rd and #4 Rd on Dyke Rd is good.
There's a "fishing pier" at #3 Rd & I have done well just west of there on the rocks.
That whole area east and west of the pier and dog park are good.
Also, there are several areas in Deas Island Park that are reasonable.
Thank you very much.
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marpole?
Correct
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Correct
In pink years I've seen them from the pier but I've never connected from there (spinners). I did see one guy get into some but he was down past the golf course fence and casting from the little beach down there (also spinners). It was low tide as I recall. Frankly I would have hopped on the logs and tried from there as you are about an extra 50 ft into the water. I'm going down there in a cpl of days to walk my buddies dogs. I'll update you if I see any jumpers.
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North and Middle Arms of the Fraser are not very productive.
Most pinks come in at Steveston.
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In pink years I've seen them from the pier but I've never connected from there (spinners). I did see one guy get into some but he was down past the golf course fence and casting from the little beach down there (also spinners). It was low tide as I recall. Frankly I would have hopped on the logs and tried from there as you are about an extra 50 ft into the water. I'm going down there in a cpl of days to walk my buddies dogs. I'll update you if I see any jumpers.
Sounds good!
North and Middle Arms of the Fraser are not very productive.
Most pinks come in at Steveston.
Thanks for the info. If i have time, i hope i can head down to steveston for pinks right before school starts for me :-\
I wonder why the North and Middle Arms are not as productive?
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I have seen a lot of anglers access the south arm from Deas Island up to the Alex Fraser bridge off of River road on Pink Salmon years.
I would drive it nightly on the way home from work and counted up to 125 vehicles fishing on the way home. Some years it was crazy participation. Cerise pink spoons and Buzz bombs usually the lures of choice. Saw a lot of fish going home in bags from the area.
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can catch pinks on the Hany Warf across the street from the pub. just east of the west coast express stop. Langley side is usually better like down at two bit bar
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I’ve had some great days on the middle arm.
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Daily passage record for Wednesday At Mission August 23, 2023:
Sockeye Pink
71,500 169,400
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North and Middle Arms of the Fraser are not very productive.
Most pinks come in at Steveston.
I've caught pinks (& chums) in the North Arm but I'd agree the south arm and shore are more productive. However don't dismiss tides. Often the fish are only visible and in a biting mood at the right tide stage.
I also still think we 10 days or more away from the best fishing in the lower river. So if you get skunked this week don't give up.
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I've caught pinks (& chums) in the North Arm but I'd agree the south arm and shore are more productive. However don't dismiss tides. Often the fish are only visible and in a biting mood at the right tide stage.
Are they more active during low tides?
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Tides are better next week.
And good luck with your Dad Rod. Its a day we all have to come to terms with.
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Generally, flood tides near the mouth, ebb tides further up. My longest experience was Fort Langley area and did best on ebb, the slack and the first bit of the new flood. Smaller bite activity would occur in some locations near the top of the flood. Depends on location & maybe others will share their experience. I'd suggest trying to schedule trips to include at least about 1/3 of either tide and fish just past the slack.
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In my experience fishing the lower tidal Fraser, the tide has less to do with bite and more to do putting the fish closer to casting bank anglers. Spots that are productive on flood tide go barren as the tide ebbs, the water shallows, and the fish travel further out from shore.
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Sorry to hear about your father. Lost my dad to cancer five years ago. Way too soon. He taught me how to fish / loved fishing.
I’m relatively new to salmon fishing - if they do open the lower (salt) river to pink fishing. When would they announce it? How far in advance?
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Our neighbors to the south with the pinkos. I had no idea, Puyallup WA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQZOOggNPhw
(https://i.ibb.co/drbdp0X/2023-08-24-190826.jpg)
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Our neighbors to the south with the pinkos. I had no idea, Puyallup WA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQZOOggNPhw
(https://i.ibb.co/drbdp0X/2023-08-24-190826.jpg)
I laughed pretty hard at the "reel in the slack so you can feel the fish bite... tap, tap, tap the ground..." At the same time it makes me sad that people honestly believe that flossing is fishing.
Nice to see the fish in numbers, but they'll need those numbers with added mortality from all the flossing.
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Sorry to hear about your father Rodney. I lost my Dad a few yrs ago. He introduced me to the sport when I was a very young child which has led to a life long addiction. I cherish the memories of him and I fishing together as you will.
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may open this Saturday, down stream of hope, 4 a day and closing sept 18th, down stream of mission bridge, and closing sept 20th down stream of hope. Would give a 3 week opening
Not a chance they will open the non tidal portion of the Fraser. What a misinforming post.
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Not a chance they will open the non tidal portion of the Fraser. What a misinforming post.
Your right it’s been put off, no doubt do to pressure from other user groups.
Was planned, Atlest below mission will hopefully still open
Email just went out for a emergency meeting tomorrow from DFO to all it off
I wish to advise you that following some further internal discussions today, DFO implemented a change to the proposed Fraser R. mainstem non-tidal fishery (Mission-Hope) that was discussed on our WG yesterday afternoon. For this reason, we are asking to convene a short notice special meeting ASAP tomorrow to discuss this important change
SFAB Fraser Pink/Sockeye WG: SPECIAL MEETING FRI.25.AUG. (DETAILS TBC)
Please note that this fishery will not proceed as planned.
DFO will be speaking to this on our call tomorrow.
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Same old same old pandering to the discriminating racist BS. Nothing will ever change
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In my experience fishing the lower tidal Fraser, the tide has less to do with bite and more to do putting the fish closer to casting bank anglers. Spots that are productive on flood tide go barren as the tide ebbs, the water shallows, and the fish travel further out from shore.
then you should find another location to fish.
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Your right it’s been put off, no doubt do to pressure from other user groups.
Was planned, Atlest below mission will hopefully still open
Email just went out for a emergency meeting tomorrow from DFO to all it off
I wish to advise you that following some further internal discussions today, DFO implemented a change to the proposed Fraser R. mainstem non-tidal fishery (Mission-Hope) that was discussed on our WG yesterday afternoon. For this reason, we are asking to convene a short notice special meeting ASAP tomorrow to discuss this important change
SFAB Fraser Pink/Sockeye WG: SPECIAL MEETING FRI.25.AUG. (DETAILS TBC)
Please note that this fishery will not proceed as planned.
DFO will be speaking to this on our call tomorrow.
I am not surprised. If sockeye and springs are having a low return year, there's a good chance a lot of them are hooked above the Tidal when people are supposed to target Pinks only.
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I am not surprised. If sockeye and springs are having a low return year, there's a good chance a lot of them are hooked above the Tidal when people are supposed to target Pinks only.
chinook returns are very good this year in the Fraser. Plus the upcoming forecast for Harrison whites is now pegged at 110,000 fish that you are not allowed to fish for currently.
Springs are doing ok this year.
This is all about another user group lighting their hair on fire because sports fishermen are going to get access to pinks and they don't want anyone else on the water.
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Our neighbors to the south with the pinkos. I had no idea, Puyallup WA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQZOOggNPhw
(https://i.ibb.co/drbdp0X/2023-08-24-190826.jpg)
It's like that everywhere in WA, even in Bellingham, Burlginton etc. Maybe less shoulder to shoulder.
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how different is that from the Vedder/Chilliwack in accessible locations or the Fraser during rare openings?
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Has this tidal Fraser opening already been announced ? I couldn’t find anything saying so.
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Has this tidal Fraser opening already been announced ? I couldn’t find anything saying so.
No
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After 3pm today.
Should show up here: https://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=search_results&ID=all&Regions=&Fisheries=54&Areas=2635&year=2023
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how different is that from the Vedder/Chilliwack in accessible locations or the Fraser during rare openings?
Hey Ralph, it's not so much the numbers of guys but the prevalence of bottom bouncing. For some reason I thought it was more of strictly sockeye thing.
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Pink In-season Update
August 25, 2023
Current Trends
• A second peak in Area 20 abundance was observed on August 23
• Pink catches remain high, but variable, in both marine approaches
• Mission passage is still consistent with historical observations for this time of year but indications are that
it is starting to increase
Daily passage past mission record for Thursday August 24, 2023:
Sockeye Pink
57,700 124,700
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Hey Ralph, it's not so much the numbers of guys but the prevalence of bottom bouncing. For some reason I thought it was more of strictly sockeye thing.
Flossing or lining really became popular in the states before it was used for sockeye here. Bottom bouncing with pencil lead was the go to method for river fishing. Float fishing was pretty much unheard of though it's more common now. A Canadian import!
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Has this tidal Fraser opening already been announced ? I couldn’t find anything saying so.
The Variation orders for mission downstream to open pinks should go out today, They have been fully approved and accepted.
Non tidal- has not been approved, And has been delayed at least a week. I don't want to say the date for non tidal that's been discussed at today's meeting as it's not finalized. As of today it is expected that pinks will open later in the season for non tidal, as well as stave and chilliwack.
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A lot has happened last few days eh
I remember last season when 100,000 + were passing mission a day that the fishing was pretty good.
Excited!
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A lot has happened last few days eh
I remember last season when 100,000 + were passing mission a day that the fishing was pretty good.
Excited!
If the forecast is correct there will be probably be a few days where a 500k-million pinks pass mission in a single day, With a bit of rain in the forecast it may move more pinks into the river. The peak past mission tends to be from september 5th-september 22.
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If the forecast is correct there will be probably be a few days where a 500k-million pinks pass mission in a single day, With a bit of rain in the forecast it may move more pinks into the river. The peak past mission tends to be from september 5th-september 22.
well i dont see us getting much rain at all at least nothing that would make an impact but holy 500k - 1 million fish a day. That's gotta be some crazy good fishing !
Weather app on my phone says 17 mm over two days
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on september 9th, 2009, 1.7 million pinks passed mission in a single day.
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on september 9th, 2009, 1.7 million pinks passed mission in a single day.
I should have been on the Fraser and not in kindergarten ;D
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If you look at the graphs handed out the discussion package for today's meeting it looks like the biggest push is coming in later than expected with over 3 million passing through San Juan on the 23rd or 12 days later than the first major peak.
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chinook returns are very good this year in the Fraser. Plus the upcoming forecast for Harrison whites is now pegged at 110,000 fish that you are not allowed to fish for currently.
Springs are doing ok this year.
This is all about another user group lighting their hair on fire because sports fishermen are going to get access to pinks and they don't want anyone else on the water.
100% agree.
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The Variation orders for mission downstream to open pinks should go out today, They have been fully approved and accepted.
Non tidal- has not been approved, And has been delayed at least a week. I don't want to say the date for non tidal that's been discussed at today's meeting as it's not finalized. As of today it is expected that pinks will open later in the season for non tidal, as well as stave and chilliwack.
It will be after the main push of fresh fish have gone through.
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Lots of jumpers off mouth of North arm right now
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I should have been on the Fraser and not in kindergarten ;D
Here's me with a boot circa 1995, Like Rod this fishery is not about numbers, not about how many you can catch, its memories like these, I casted the rod, i reeled it in and landed it myself, I made my dad take this photo despite his protest lol
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53140821507_83cc17016d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oXSAQt)
Heres some info from the 1995 return
The return of 12,877,000 Fraser River pink salmon (Table 10) was 72% as large as the preseason forecast of 18,000,000 fish. This total included a catch of 5,703,000 fish, which represents
a 44% harvest rate, and a spawning escapement of 7,174,000 fish. Canadian, United States and
Panel approved test fishing catches were 3,585,000, 2,029,000 and 89,000 fish, respectively. The
commercial catch was 5,256,000 fish.
The gross landed value of the commercial catch was approximately $6,300,000 (Can) with a
weight of 9,000,000 kg (19,800,000 lb).
The average size of pink salmon caught by purse seines in Area 20 in 1995 was 1.71 kg (3.77
lb), slightly smaller than the previous record for the smallest size that occurred in 1993 (1.72 kg,
3.8 lb) (Figure 6). Average pink salmon weights between 1987-95 (1.87 kg, 4.11 lb) were
approximately 84% as large as during the 1979-85 period (2.21 kg, 4.87 lb), when run sizes
increased to present levels (14,000,000 - 19,000,000 fish on odd-year runs), and about 72% as
high as during the 1959-77 period (2.59 kg, 5.72 lb). In terms of total pink salmon biomass, the
smaller body size of Fraser pinks has been more than compensated for by larger abundances in
recent years. However, smaller fish have less market appeal than the larger fish of past years.
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When targeting pinks in the tidal fraser, would it be best to use spinners for the vibrations, or would pink worms work just as fine? I just realized I only have 1 pink spinner and a couple chartreuse spinners, while I have a pack of pink worms on me at this moment.
*Chartreuse spinners are effective for pinks as well right?? :-\
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Here's me with boot circa 1995, Like Rod this fishery is not about numbers, not about how many you can catch, its memories like these
atta boy! Hopefully one day will be doing the same when I have children gettem into it early.
When targeting pinks in the tidal fraser, would it be best to use spinners for the vibrations, or would pink worms work just as fine? I just realized I only have 1 pink spinner and a couple chartreuse spinners, while I have a pack of pink worms on me at this moment.
*Chartreuse spinners are effective for pinks as well right?? :-\
you can use any spoon or spinner but Tasmanian devils seem to produce better than any other lure it just glides and darts through the water in a special way I guess. Though I caught some last season on dollar store spoons with new hooks but I did average or below average with tho.
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Vibrations don't do much - pinks attack what appear to be small fish.
There are a few lures that work well.
For many years, I used a pink metal spoon with a white lightning bolt on it.
There is also a crinkle finish plastic lure but you need weight to cast it unless you have a very light rod.
There are a couple of more good ones but they are the ones that I use the most.
For spotting purposes: Sockeye jump in the middle of the river, sometimes clear out of the water.
Pinks kind of "porpoise" (just slightly come out of the water) and mill around on the surface.
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they are not particularly picky and bite readily when fresh in the river. I've caught them on crocs, dick nites and spinners none of which seemed to work better than any other. Flys are very effective. The pink for pinks is a bit of a myth. Orange, blue, wood duck, silver and white all do well as does chartreuse. some colors work better is murky water.
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No recreational pink opening until Aug 29th, is that true?
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No recreational pink opening until Aug 29th, is that true?
DFO won't give any ST to recreational anglers
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Idk anymore, sorry guys
“ Due to unexpected delays in the review/approval process for issuing orders brought about to vary the close times for recreational pink salmon fishing in the Fraser River tidal waters and tributary systems, these openings are now unlikely to occur in time for this weekend.”
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FN0899-Salmon: Sockeye and Pink - Areas 11 to 29 - Fraser River Panel Update - August 25, 2023
Commercial fisheries in Area 29 directed at Fraser Pink salmon, with non-retention of sockeye, are under development. Recreational fisheries for Fraser Pink salmon, with non-retention of sockeye, are also under consideration in Areas 29-6, 29-7, 29-9, 29-10 and 29-11 to 29-17. Any fishery openings will be announced via Fishery Notice.
https://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=288615&ID=all
sorry but this makes me want to laugh...just a little.
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Idk anymore, sorry guys
“ Due to unexpected delays in the review/approval process for issuing orders brought about to vary the close times for recreational pink salmon fishing in the Fraser River tidal waters and tributary systems, these openings are now unlikely to occur in time for this weekend.”
Who are you? Are you attending these meetings? Are the meeting open to anyone?
The funny part is all of these people in the meetings are probably getting paid excessively with the little guys money from buying Salmon tags......
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Who are you? Are you attending these meetings? Are the meeting open to anyone?
The funny part is all of these people in the meetings are probably getting paid excessively with the little guys money from buying Salmon tags......
They are open to anyone, gotta sign up tho in the fall or spring
Google sports fishing advisory committee
My experience is most new people will show up to one or two meetings and never show up again.
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Who are you? Are you attending these meetings? Are the meeting open to anyone?
The funny part is all of these people in the meetings are probably getting paid excessively with the little guys money from buying Salmon tags......
They money from the salmon tags, goes to pacific salmon foundation, think it’s around 7 million
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Curious why that makes you laugh Ralphy ?
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Curious why that makes you laugh Ralphy ?
I'll no longer respond to any post that uses derogatory variants of my name.
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I'll no longer respond to any post that uses derogatory variants of my name.
An understandable boundary, yet a curious one when you used a derogatory variant of another member’s name just two days ago.
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An understandable boundary, yet a curious one when you used a derogatory variant of another member’s name just two days ago.
which was where? Please provide a direct quote.
As far as ibilly and his wannabe Iron Noggin dreams... what can I say?
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“ supperbobby aka (RobbieG)”
August 23, 9:41AM
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“ supperbobby aka (RobbieG)”
August 23, 9:41AM
oh my, how caustic of me.
immediately before that in Post 46 he wrote:
As for Ralph.....same Ralph...different year.
It is absolutely mind boggling how giddy you get when the sporties get shut down on the Fraser...every time. For the life of me, I cannot understand you. And like Wildmanyeah says....you're explanation and reasoning as to why the sporties aren't fishing is complete unresearched gibberish. If there was ever a time I wanted to take home a Pink in the non tidal Fraser....it is in the next 7 days.
Left out that context did you not? As for my 'gibberish', i never provided an explanation or reasoning why "sporties" aren't fishing.
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My wannabe iron noggin dreams ? I don’t even know the the man why would I aspire to be him ? It was a legitimate question I was asking you Ralph. You have always struck me as a pretty intelligent man Ralph but your self awareness is seriously lacking. Don’t you ever wonder why you’re almost always at odds with someone on here ? You have treated people in a derogatory fashion on this forum for years. Acting like you’re above everyone. Talking down to people. Trying to make people look stupid. You did it to me once way back. Unprovoked. I wish I could remember the conversation but I can’t. You remind me of a couple of characters, Dr Charles Emerson Winchester or perhaps Dr Niles Crane. As far the “Ralphy” that just slipped out. No ill intent.
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Get a room you guys this is about Fraser pinks. Not a pencil length debate !!!!
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I believe this section is called “general discussion” but yes you’re right. I don’t usually get into these sorts of discussions. My bad. I sure hope they open the pinks so I can wander down to the river and get a few.
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Who are you? Are you attending these meetings? Are the meeting open to anyone?
The funny part is all of these people in the meetings are probably getting paid excessively with the little guys money from buying Salmon tags......
The guys I know that attend these meeting don’t get paid a cent to be there. Government employees get paid but the rest of the crew do it out of their love for sports fishing , the kindness of their heart and for some of them to protect their business interests.
Takes a special person to be able to sit there and listen to the ineptitude that calls itself the department of fisheries and oceans.
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My wannabe iron noggin dreams ? I don’t even know the the man why would I aspire to be him ? It was a legitimate question I was asking you Ralph. You have always struck me as a pretty intelligent man Ralph but your self awareness is seriously lacking. Don’t you ever wonder why you’re almost always at odds with someone on here ? You have treated people in a derogatory fashion on this forum for years. Acting like you’re above everyone. Talking down to people. Trying to make people look stupid. You did it to me once way back. Unprovoked. I wish I could remember the conversation but I can’t. You remind me of a couple of characters, Dr Charles Emerson Winchester or perhaps Dr Niles Crane. As far the “Ralphy” that just slipped out. No ill intent.
For those still reading this discussion thread, I have apologized to iblly via a PM and acknowledged his comments about my personality and reactions. Like a few others here I can do better in such conversations.
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We ALL have room for improvement Ralph. Nobody’s perfect, most certainly myself included. Thank you and tight lines !
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Get a room you guys this is about Fraser pinks. Not a pencil length debate !!!!
X2 Rodney is under alot of stress right now. Let's not add to it by the silly debate.
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I know right ! God forbid people are being civil to one another. Crazy to think that a thread on FWR could go off topic. Maybe if you didn’t comment it wouldn’t get derailed ? My apologies Rod.
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Should delete this whole thread.
Start a new one
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They money from the salmon tags, goes to pacific salmon foundation, think it’s around 7 million
Not quite. The number of salmon tags sold in any given year is about 2 to 3 hundred thousand (with bump ups for pink or sockeye openings on the tidal Fraser). Given that the price of the tags has remained at about 6 bucks over the years gives us a total far less than 7 million. Additionally, PSF has only received 100% of the tag sales since 2014. Before that, they only received a small portion (about 20 to 30%) of total tag sales revenues.
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Yeah you’re right according to their site it is about 1.2 million a year . I can’t remember where I herd the 7 million from perhaps it’s how they leverage it or perhaps I was thinking of the total amount from salt water licence sales and that instead of going into general revenue it should be directed to salmon on the west coast.
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the non-tidal conservation surcharge is $16.49
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bought my 5 year old nephew a spinning rod. was hoping to take him out as he is dyeing to catch a salmon. pink fishery is by far the easiest way to get people into fishing. hoping it will open soon. weak that the opening didn't happen this weekend. hopefully this week.
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damn y'all are rly getting heated in a fishing form lmfao
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Copy and paste from Albion Test for Springs. Keep the pinks closed and open non tidal Fraser for Springs. Set line/Bar fishing only... The numbers are more than enough to support an opening.
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Copy and paste from Albion Test for Springs. Keep the pinks closed and open non tidal Fraser for Springs. Set line/Bar fishing only... The numbers are more than enough to support an opening.
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Are these chinooks going to different tibutaries ? or typically to harrison/chilliwack only? If they do open fraser for chinooks I would definitely want to try it out
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Copy and paste from Albion Test for Springs. Keep the pinks closed and open non tidal Fraser for Springs. Set line/Bar fishing only... The numbers are more than enough to support an opening.
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our governmental agencies act and behave much to slow to even get an opening for us even when pinks are returning in record numbers oceanwide. So sad to see how inefficient government and politics are. Obviously I have little experience with details and experience but I strongly believe we could be doing much better. For your spring opening, I would suggest heading to the Columbia, somehow a river with so many dams and I see sportsmen beside 10's of chinooks on instagram, seems to be much better managed for recreational anglers..
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Why not get involved instead of whining online? First, IFS. Second, strongly believe we could be doing much better doesn’t hold much water to hard data. Data before strong feelings/hunches pls.
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Are these chinooks going to different tibutaries ? or typically to harrison/chilliwack only? If they do open fraser for chinooks I would definitely want to try it out
most of these fish are headed to the Shushwap. Harrison/Chilliwack chinook will start in a few weeks.
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Friend of mine caught a nice little spring about 8 pounds two weeks ago trolling for trout on the Shuswap. Purple apex on his 7 weight. He was pretty excited thinking he a whopper trout on the line.
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Copy and paste from Albion Test for Springs. Keep the pinks closed and open non tidal Fraser for Springs. Set line/Bar fishing only... The numbers are more than enough to support an opening.
Please....stop with all the common sense talk.... :)
Why not get involved instead of whining online? First, IFS. Second, strongly believe we could be doing much better doesn’t hold much water to hard data. Data before strong feelings/hunches pls.
Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about. I've been 'involved' in this circus since the early 90s (although I gave up about 10 years ago or so) and others here longer then that. Getting 'involved' is a waste of time. Anyone here who has been 'involved' knows they are talking to a wall getting nothing back other than lip service from DFO. Watching paint dry is more productive.
As for the data? As almost everyone here has stated....there are more than enough salmon of some species this season for the sporties to be fishing.
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Why not get involved instead of whining online? First, IFS. Second, strongly believe we could be doing much better doesn’t hold much water to hard data. Data before strong feelings/hunches pls.
So I guess you are involved? Not making any progress, sitting in a room thinking you are involved in decisions...LOL I put up data from the last two weeks that many people don't even know exists. A two week opening for Springs for the sportfishing community would not result in the same number of fish killed as one day with all the nets on the river. Clearly those who attend the meeting that are not the ones making the final decision are wasting their time.
All the people Sturgeon fishing, guides and locals, where do you think they are getting their bait from. Going out at 2 in the morning and poaching or buying from FN. Both methods wasting fish and also illegal. But no enforcement.
Go sit in your meeting, and waste more time.... Doing such a good job...
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I don't recall the exact IFS closure window for the Fraser below Hope but it would close prior to whatever number come back this fall. (Considering returns elsewhere it will be an indication if the run can be salvaged). Trout in Fraser below the Thompson to the Mission Bridge closes Sept 1 ... primarily to counter the argument a few people use that are "just fishing for trout". The IFC closure normally comes into play after Labour Day, at least in even numbered years.
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. primarily to counter the argument a few people use that are "just fishing for trout".
There you go again with your BS assumptions. Who are you to say that there aren't people out there fishing for trout?
For years...especially on non pink years before Sockeye opened up as a young guy, I used to fish for trout from mid Aug through until spring all over the non tidal Fraser.
And you are so tone deaf that you can't understand or comprehend why people here call you out for being a DFO PR lacky...unbelievable.
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seems to be much better managed for recreational anglers..
They have signed treaties with their Indians (not called First Nations in the USA) and it makes it much simpler to try and manage fisheries. We are way too busy reconciling in Canada to ever dream of this happening in my lifetime.
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They have signed treaties with their Indians (not called First Nations in the USA) and it makes it much simpler to try and manage fisheries. We are way too busy reconciling in Canada to ever dream of this happening in my lifetime.
Current rights FNs have for salmon in BC were determined by the SCOC after the Federal Government (under pressure from other user groups) constantly denied any negotiated sharing of the resource.
Washington had it's own court challenges in the early 70s and there the court split harvest rights 50/50 between the Indians and everybody else. That ruling scared the hell out of other user groups in BC. Oregon and California has similar rulings.
In hindsight, at least to me, the Washington decision looks like a good deal compared to what we have now.
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Why not get involved instead of whining online? First, IFS. Second, strongly believe we could be doing much better doesn’t hold much water to hard data. Data before strong feelings/hunches pls.
are you or have you been involved before? Dealing with DFO is like dealing with a 2 year old having a huge hissy fit. You can make all the common sense you want, use all the science you want, even science provided by DFO and get the exact same results that we are getting today. Nowhere unless its a horrible run does science mean anything to DFO higher ups. They do what they want whenever they want with zero accountability. They had said the Mission to Tidewater pink opening would be a go on Tuesday and come late Friday afternoon they still couldn't get the opening processed? if it was a private sector company they would have been all fired for incompetence. They are not telling the true story and are hiding the real reason the fishery did not go ahead. You would think that by the end of the day today, they could have it processed so it's open tomorrow right? Well let's all hold our breathe nd see how that turns out. Bet right now maybe Wednesday but most likely Saturday the Fraser may open.
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Current rights FNs have for salmon in BC were determined by the SCOC after the Federal Government (under pressure from other user groups) constantly denied any negotiated sharing of the resource.
don't think the SCOC gave First Nations exclusive rights to all fish either but DFO is currently managing it that way.
Has anyone ever stopped to think just how many pounds of salmon a person can eat in a year, have ceremonies with, etc? Then take the first nations population and to some math on it? I haven't but I bet there is no where near the amount of salmon eaten has taken.
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Why not get involved instead of whining online? First, IFS. Second, strongly believe we could be doing much better doesn’t hold much water to hard data. Data before strong feelings/hunches pls.
I have done some research on what I could do, it first took me hours to find where I can access those meetings wildmanyeah was mentioning and then you have to sign up for a certain time of year, then sit there to 4 hour meetings on some topics I could hardly contribute to on a random date I might have homework or something else to do . Also I have heard from countless people who have attempted to do something similar and participated (eg some in this discussion) come out with either no results, an upsetting feeling or feel their time was wasted. In the end it seems that managers are disconnected from their jobs , lack passion and that $ & Influence is of priority. I don't know how any of it can change because I don't know how the DFO system works exactly.
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don't think the SCOC gave First Nations exclusive rights to all fish either but DFO is currently managing it that way.
Has anyone ever stopped to think just how many pounds of salmon a person can eat in a year, have ceremonies with, etc? Then take the first nations population and to some math on it? I haven't but I bet there is no where near the amount of salmon eaten has taken.
Never thought of it, but it can't be that much, because there is at least 1 family downtown Chilliwack selling $30 per fish (Chinook) 3 days ago, and he had over 200lbs for sale. I guess the family ate their fill and already stocked up their freezer.
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don't think the SCOC gave First Nations exclusive rights to all fish either but DFO is currently managing it that way.
Has anyone ever stopped to think just how many pounds of salmon a person can eat in a year, have ceremonies with, etc? Then take the first nations population and to some math on it? I haven't but I bet there is no where near the amount of salmon eaten has taken.
I didn't say SCOC did give them rights to all the fish.Another good example of people distorting what I say. It also makes me doubt your claims about dealing with DFO. You also talk like no one other than FNs are catching salmon in BC which is another gross distortion.
One has to consider what the salmon returns that matter to Fraser River FNs have been like for several years;
- a series of years with the worst sockeye returns on record
- consistent high in river temperatures that cause high mortality and reduced spawning success
- the Big Bar slide
- spring and early summer chinooks numbers have fallen off a cliff.
- even late summer Shuswap chinook have had depressed returns
we still have major conservation issues with Interior steelhead and coho.
Even over last 10 years we gotten some kind of fisheries when the numbers supported it - there were openings for sockeye in 2014, 2018 and 2022. We have had a pink opening every cycle since for over 20 years. The only shut down of the Fraser happened sometime in the late 90s when they closed it because a lot of anglers " tell the difference between a wild IF coho and a pink salmon" That was documented.
I am also sure there has been a similar situation on the Skeena and salmon angling has been shut to allow FNs their to harvest springs in place of sockeye.
BTW the number of FNs who are entitled to receive salmon under the FN fishing agreements with DFO are used to calculate their allowable catch. That would be FNs with status who live in the Fraser watershed or historically fished the Fraser. Other FNs in BC or Canada do not have an entitlement to receive fish or fish outside their own traditional territories.
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As I’ve said before, kudos to Ralph as he is one of the very few who advocate for fish
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As I have said before in past years, DFO policy (which I think needs to be changed) is that rec fisheries for pink and sockeye are always tied to commercial openings. If there aren't enough fish for a commie opening then we recreational fishers don't get to fish.
There are still steelhead, coho, springs, and about a quarter of the run of sockeye coming in. Some rec fishers might have difficulties distinguishing between species, but the nets just kill em all.
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As I have said before in past years, DFO policy (which I think needs to be changed) is that rec fisheries for pink and sockeye are always tied to commercial openings. If there aren't enough fish for a commie opening then we recreational fishers don't get to fish.
There are still steelhead, coho, springs, and about a quarter of the run of sockeye coming in. Some rec fishers might have difficulties distinguishing between species, but the nets just kill em all.
this is the craziest part to me because lets say for example a gill net or set net or whatever picks up a wild steelhead or coho in between 50-200 other fish. Out of 100 times I am willing to bet that only one time or less would it actually be seen in time and released for the fish to have a decent chance of surviving. Whereas for an angler to catch a steelhead in the first place on lures in the tidal fraser would be very rare, they will be looking at the specific fish for a while and likely there are minimum 5-10 other people around them that will notice. though of-course I know that governments are often not logical and make choices based off other factors.
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As I have said before in past years, DFO policy (which I think needs to be changed) is that rec fisheries for pink and sockeye are always tied to commercial openings.
Yes well that is another result of DFO and the Federal Government going to court and ending up in SCOC and getting a negative ruling they were not expecting. The priority you quote, First nations FSC first, commercial 2nd and then recreational fishery was set by the court almost 40 years ago.
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The priority you quote, First nations FSC first, commercial 2nd and then recreational fishery was set by the court almost 40 years ago.
What a load of crap. Quit selling their catch on the side of the road. Quit selling it to guides so they can take clients sturgeon fishing. Decisions from the past get changed all the time.. Weed is legal now. And now FN sell it on their land like its a double double from Tim Hortons.. Last week some FN woke up and thought lets close Joffree Park. And boom... Its closed for food gathering... Never seen anything in the bush make people fat before... How long before Morris Valley Road gets closed? Or both sides of the Chehalis River. Its coming.... Keep bending over and they will keep giving it to us..... Want your land back... Grab a gun and take it back.....I feel better now.....
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What a load of crap. Quit selling their catch on the side of the road. Quit selling it to guides so they can take clients sturgeon fishing. Decisions from the past get changed all the time.. Weed is legal now. And now FN sell it on their land like its a double double from Tim Hortons.. Last week some FN woke up and thought lets close Joffree Park. And boom... Its closed for food gathering... Never seen anything in the bush make people fat before... How long before Morris Valley Road gets closed? Or both sides of the Chehalis River. Its coming.... Keep bending over and they will keep giving it to us..... Want your land back... Grab a gun and take it back.....I feel better now.....
Bruh.
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Roeman, there has been a black market for salmon since the Federal Government took away the FN right to sell their catch over 100 years ago. It's still not legal unless its a valid opening under a communal opening with an allowance for sales. Laws about weed or any other drug have nothing to do with the SCOC. Those laws were made by Governments, much like Prohibition which was later revoked.
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most of these fish are headed to the Shushwap. Harrison/Chilliwack chinook will start in a few weeks.
Thanks Ralph !
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As I’ve said before, kudos to Ralph as he is one of the very few who advocate for fish
Thanks Dave! I feel both humbled and honored by your recognition.
My feelings on such topics are without the fish, what do we have? so they come first. Sector politics are down the list for me.
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My feelings on such topics are without the fish, what do we have?
Just the chips.
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My feelings on such topics are without the fish, what do we have? so they come first. Sector politics are down the list for me.
If we can't fish for them does it matter how many return?
Like the only reason people that care about how many IFS return is because they want enough to return to fish for them. Outside of the fishing community no on cares not even big ENGOs don't.
First Nations also don't care about IFS, look at the comments in the IFMP from first nations about IFS, they just get in the way of chum fisheries. Yet when it comes to sockeye, they are the stuarts of the land and care deeply about fish.
We also are not talking about the extinction of piks there is a forecast of 13 million, over 800k are already estimated to have passed the mission bridge. No one is asking to fish for the last fish. If nothing else at least open pinks to selective fishing below mission bridge.
Hopefully there is still room to operation sound fisheries management decisions, while protectings stocks while also allowing some social,cultrial and economic catch.
Im not asking to catch the last pink
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If we can't fish for them does it matter how many return?
Like the only reason people that care about how many IFS return is because they want enough to return to fish for them. Outside of the fishing community no on cares not even big ENGOs don't.
very true, if we don't get a chance to use the resource we will care less and less
I for one now can only dream about catching a Thompson Steelhead. If I want a semi similar steelhead experience I need to travel to Skeena or Dean River or something similar distance, trips that can cost 3k+ $ where a drive to the Thompson from Vancouver and back can cost only 80$+ depending on your car.
Yes I think they are cool fish and should exist, I also care to actually get a chance to see one and catch one.
The fact that anglers are willing to spend so much $ even just to catch and release special fish like those seems to be way more economically beneficial than many commercial fisheries in my eyes.
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If we can't fish for them does it matter how many return?
Yes it does. It's the most important part.
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Yes it does. It's the most important part.
Yep it sure does.
I think it comes down to what a person is advocating, the fish, or the fishery.
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Yep it sure does.
I think it comes down to what a person is advocating, the fish, or the fishery.
why does it matter if 1 million sockeye return of 10 million if were just going to keep the fishery closed?
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It doesn't matter to us, but I'd think that it'd make a significant difference for all watersheds and all inhabitants if the sockeye salmon abundance is increased by ten times.
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It doesn't matter to us, but I'd think that it'd make a significant difference for all watersheds and all inhabitants if the sockeye salmon abundance is increased by ten times.
If fish come first, for the ecosystem needs, why are we bonking them and making cooking videos?
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Yes it does. It's the most important part.
all of us here love and care for the fish, otherwise we wouldn't spend our time talking about them in this forum
but if we hypothetically never got to fish for them, most of us would spend considerably less time and money on them and they would be losing because anglers are always the ones pushing for habitat restoration and conservation.
I have never heard of commercial fishers donating money to conserving fish. They are businesses. Note I am not talking about family fishers who fish for a living and have been for a long time, but rather boats sponsored by big business or government that scoop up the whole recreational catch in half a day that end up rotting in superstore where there is a complete disconnect between consumer and fish.
Especially the young folks who have the rest of our lives to spend fishing, advocating and investing time and money, if we were to lose the opportunity to fish, I guarantee you we will all find new ways to spend our money and entertain ourselves.
Maybe a handful of retired folk will still out the same effort for the fish but will you still be around in 10, 30 years to support them?
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but if we hypothetically never got to fish for them, most of us would spend considerably less time and money on them and they would be losing because anglers are always the ones pushing for habitat restoration and conservation.
Yep, for sure as well. "If we don't use them, we wouldn't care about them". It's a difficult balance to achieve.
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I am not asking to fish for pinks because i don't care about fish or want to catch the last one. or am some evil harvester out to get the last one. I would not even necessarily be opposed to close all fishing for 10 years if applied to everyone.
but if the new management is going to bed yep always close or closed to non native access. Then yeah we have a problem. and frankly in that situation dont give two hoots if cultus lake get 10 sockeye or 10 thousand.
IS asking for some reasonable management out of DFO to much. seems like it is
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If the closure is meant to keep bad anglers out then it wont work since they will always exist and will continue to practise it ....this is just like vedder bridge closure, those bad anglers will move elsewhere with their flossing techniques, enforcement is key and if dfo has officer resource issues then its like saying "i dont want to put money or effort into really fixing it"
Closure really does not solve the problem.....really i dont see a point in keeping the fraser closed if the concern is rare few sockeyes caught by bad anglers....instead take action when reported and ban these people ....US with ten times more population is more relaxed with recreational fishing.....i dont know the fishery politics in BC or in Canada but this is really sad
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You are missing the point. It's not anglers that catch sockeye, it's the nets. And we don't get an opening unless the nets do. Despite the fact that the rec fishery is the most selective and produces the most economic activity per fish, we are last on the list.
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You are missing the point. It's not anglers that catch sockeye, it's the nets. And we don't get an opening unless the nets do. Despite the fact that the rec fishery is the most selective and produces the most economic activity per fish, we are last on the list.
Ah I see, I saw a post that said the closure was due to poor angling practises happen when fraser opens when sockeye is still running and hence the delay or closure.....
Whats the reason behind giving priority to commercial guys and keeping out rec anglers?
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The recreation pink fishery is not directly tied to commercial. All that needs to happen is tac needs to be identified and then recreational fisheries for pink, sockeye and chum can open. So while TAC does have to be identified and that typically means enough to execute a commercial fishery it does not mean a commercial fishery has to occur to have a rec pink opening.
case in point, ocean is open for rec pinks and chum and closed for sockeye.
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This topic has gone off on a number of tangents. There are just as many feelings and points of view as there are people in a discussion. To say a commercial fisherman or an FN fisherman doesn't care about IFS because they want to catch chum and make some money is just the opinion of a person or maybe a few people. Who knows? Doesn't mean that everyone who falls into a category feels the same as those people
My opinion is that without sufficient abundance of a species we don't get to fish. It's a rule and it's kind of imposed by law.However abundance is often different for different species and for different waters. IFS vs pinks is a good example. Historically an abundant run for IFS is what? In the recent past the Thompson opened when the estimate based Bison' model was like 800? If you go back to 80s it might have been a few thousand. The 50s it might have been 5k. Pinks it's several million or more It's apples and oranges.
The abundance of species means more than just fishing. It means a healthy ecosystem that benefits every creature part of that web. It makes for more fertile lakes and rivers. It makes for more joy when people go out and see salmon or trout, moving upstream, surfacing, spawning or seeing the little fry & smolt moving next spring.
Not saying close sport fishing. For some species the recreational sector doesn't have significant impact. For others it may.
I expect there will be an opening for pinks. But I have have to wait for it.
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"It is currently estimated that 1,350,700 sockeye and 873,500 pink salmon have passed the
Mission hydroacoustics site. The Panel adopted a run size of 20,000,000 pink salmon with an
associated Area 20 timing of August 20."
Honestly 20 million seems like a lot to me looking at the test fisheries and comparing to to past catches but what do i know im not running the models.
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The recreation pink fishery is not directly tied to commercial. All that needs to happen is tac needs to be identified and then recreational fisheries for pink, sockeye and chum can open. So while TAC does have to be identified and that typically means enough to execute a commercial fishery it does not mean a commercial fishery has to occur to have a rec pink opening.
case in point, ocean is open for rec pinks and chum and closed for sockeye.
Ya the ocean seems to have a different management philosophy then the Fraser. The TAC for Fraser pinks is there but there is no TAC for sockeye. So no opening even though the rec sockeye bycatch (in the lower anyway) is zero. Although you are technically correct, the two fisheries are effectively tied together. And of course the FN would cry bloody murder if there was a rec fishery before they were allowed to net.
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Ya the ocean seems to have a different management philosophy then the Fraser. The TAC for Fraser pinks is there but there is no TAC for sockeye. So no opening even though the rec sockeye bycatch (in the lower anyway) is zero. Although you are technically correct, the two fisheries are effectively tied together. And of course the FN would cry bloody murder if there was a rec fishery before they were allowed to net.
First nations have been permitted to retain pinks in the fraser river since august 13th.
https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/PDFs/PinkKeptCatch.pdf
They have been netting chinook since March and full scale netting chinook since the week of August 13th
https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/HTMLs/ChinookKeptCatch.html
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was anyone in todays meeting? Any talk of rec opening?
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was anyone in todays meeting? Any talk of rec opening?
A rec open will happen, hopefully sooner than later.
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I believe that the meeting will be tomorrow (Wednesday) and they should release a tidal Fraser opening on Saturday.
Announcement should be between 3pm and 6pm.
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Supposed to meet today Aug 29th.
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In 2013, they opened the Tidal Fraser and Non Tidal August 31st. 2 Years ago, they opened only the Tidal for a week first before opening the Non-Tidal.
Tuesday, August 29, 2023
The Fraser River Panel met Tuesday, August 29, to receive an update on the migration of Fraser
River sockeye and pink salmon and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River
watershed.
It is currently estimated that 1,350,700 sockeye and 873,500 pink salmon have passed the
Mission hydroacoustics site. The Panel adopted a run size of 20,000,000 pink salmon with an
associated Area 20 timing of August 20
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They have been netting chinook since March and full scale netting chinook since the week of August 13th
https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/HTMLs/ChinookKeptCatch.html
prior week of Aug 13th it was social and ceremonial harvest only. Up until July 30th the reported harvest was 101 fish. The chinook catch is replacement for sockeye to assist recovery after the Bug Bar slide. Reported harvest is 14 sockeye to date.
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Is the Vedder going to be open for pink on September 1st ?
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Is the Vedder going to be open for pink on September 1st ?
VEdder and stave were timed
To open at the same time as the lower Fraser.
Where that is at now is anyone’s guess, but it still expect it will happen at some
Point.
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Just the chips.
well I found it funny, if no one else did! Thx
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well I found it funny, if no one else did! Thx
Thanks Ralph! I'm the Rodney Dangerfield of "Fishing with Rod(ney)".
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Supposed to meet today Aug 29th.
the meeting to talk about a rec opening for pinks is today , Aug 30.
Lots of very disappointed people in the meting with many strongly worded emails floating around the last few days about the opening that did not happen.
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the meeting to talk about a rec opening for pinks is today , Aug 30.
Lots of very disappointed people in the meting with many strongly worded emails floating around the last few days about the opening that did not happen.
as there should be, I don't see why it had to be delayed a week instead of the next workday or something like that
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the meeting to talk about a rec opening for pinks is today , Aug 30.
Lots of very disappointed people in the meting with many strongly worded emails floating around the last few days about the opening that did not happen.
Interesting. The panel was scheduled to meet Aug 29 but for the first time I have ever seen they failed to post a fishery notice about the meeting on the same day.
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Lots of very disappointed people in the meting with many strongly worded emails floating around the last few days about the opening that did not happen.
I have no insight into anything, but it would be fascinating to be privy to some of these backroom discussions.
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Yeah, imagine if the government said "sorry, no child tax benefit cheques, maybe next week".
This is the government we are talking about - no excuses.
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Interesting. The panel was scheduled to meet Aug 29 but for the first time I have ever seen they failed to post a fishery notice about the meeting on the same day.
They just posted the panel update ......rec for pink salmon opening is under consideration......as usual
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Unfortunately DFO is again proven not acting based on science but political pressure. They upgrade the run size to 20 million with much surplus for recreational fishermen and yet they are not opening the tidal Fraser for recreational fishermen, especially kids and families to enjoy this easier and closer fishery at this time of high gas cost. Didn't they promote fishing in the city？
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They’ll open it once the run is over.
Good old Canada. Where everyone is equal but some are more equal. :/
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Lots of Pinks swam through Mission yesterday with the rain.
27-Aug 30,300 CPUE-Wh-Avg 0 30,300 1,325,900 70,500 HA 718,100
28-Aug 23,700 CPUE-Wh-Avg 0 23,700 1,349,600 154,900 HA 873,000
29-Aug 20,200 CPUE-Wh-Avg 0 20,200 1,369,800 238,800 HA 1,111,800
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Lots of Pinks swam through Mission yesterday with the rain.
27-Aug 30,300 CPUE-Wh-Avg 0 30,300 1,325,900 70,500 HA 718,100
28-Aug 23,700 CPUE-Wh-Avg 0 23,700 1,349,600 154,900 HA 873,000
29-Aug 20,200 CPUE-Wh-Avg 0 20,200 1,369,800 238,800 HA 1,111,800
Where can i see these stats?
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Mission Hydroacoustics
Daily passage record for Tuesday August 29, 2023:
Sockeye Pink
20,200 238,800
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Thanks...
When does pinks start to thin out ? Guessing now is the peak ?
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Where can i see these stats?
https://www.psc.org/publications/fraser-panel-in-season-information/fish-passage-past-the-psc-hydroacoustic-counting-station-near-mission-bc/
Thanks...
When does pinks start to thin out ? Guessing now is the peak ?
Probably starts thinning out in Mid to late September. It's not the peak right now. There will be days when more than 1 Million pinks swim through. That'll be the day to be fishing, but nobody knows which day it's going to be, so you'll have to go everyday to find out.
;D
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https://www.psc.org/publications/fraser-panel-in-season-information/fish-passage-past-the-psc-hydroacoustic-counting-station-near-mission-bc/
Probably starts thinning out in Mid to late September. It's not the peak right now. There will be days when more than 1 Million pinks swim through. That'll be the day to be fishing, but nobody knows which day it's going to be, so you'll have to go everyday to find out.
;D
Haha thanks....my Dad definitely plans on going everyday once it opens
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Thanks...
When does pinks start to thin out ? Guessing now is the peak ?
When DFO open the Fraser for retention.
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They just posted the panel update ......rec for pink salmon opening is under consideration......as usual
at this point we should consider rebelling and go fishing anyway. Government will only change if it is forced to :o
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at this point we should consider rebelling and go fishing anyway. Government will only change if it is forced to :o
Honestly that thought does cross my mind but obviously we wont act on such thoughts.....
I wont be surprised if there are some already doing that.....I read a post here in fwr about an old man bar fishing for chinook in fraser when it was closed (its an old post)...old man didnt care about any dfo ....he just wanted to fish like old times
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When DFO open the Fraser for retention.
Sad truth, but really hoping they open before the long weekend
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Regional Director General cancelled the rec pink opening last weekend. Local DFO staff pushed hard, stayed late and have now been completely shut of decision making.
Said they have not been authorised to talk about a future opening. PERIOD
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Wait what? The local dfo have been shut out of it? That sounds like a political move to me.
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Wait what? The local dfo have been shut out of it? That sounds like a political move to me.
ITs been confirmed the First Nations have asked for the Rec Fishery to be Delayed. At a High level
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Regional Director General cancelled the rec pink opening last weekend. Local DFO staff pushed hard, stayed late and have now been completely shut of decision making.
Said they have not been authorised to talk about a future opening. PERIOD
sounds like somebody is getting paid and we are all "paying"
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I still dont get it.....what would first nations achieve by the delay? If its about money, How does this closure get them more money ?.....
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I still dont get it.....what would first nations achieve by the delay? If its about money, How does this closure get them more money ?.....
They had concerns over having overlapping fisheries below mission. Regional director General made the decision.
100% polotical now, Local Resource managers have been shut out of the decision making.
Period
This is what reconciliation looks like
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I still dont get it.....what would first nations achieve by the delay? If its about money, How does this closure get them more money ?.....
no eyes to watch what they do, no one getting in the way while they fish and maybe a bit of a power play to show all how is in charge now. Only the regional director knows for sure and those above them.
Just keep thinking reconciliation.
you should see the proposed hunting changes coming to region 6 & 7. All of them are about making it easier for First Nations to harvest animals. Even to the point of proposed closed areas only open to First Nations harvest of moose.
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Long time lurker here, I felt really bad last year about not having proper salmon stamp ....don't feel that bad anymore looking at how corrupt DFO is....I don't know about you guys but I am taking my son out for some pink salmon fishing in Fraser before he starts his university even if it's open or closed ....call dfo if you want to report me ;-)
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Man that sucks....is there anyway us rec anglers can escalate this? Bombard them with emails/phone them?
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Man that sucks....is there anyway us rec anglers can escalate this? Bombard them with emails/phone them?
its basically polotical so email the liberals, PMO office
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its basically polotical so email the liberals, PMO office
I sure will but i know for a fact that will fall into deaf ears...going to keep at it
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How does targeting pinks in the Vedder affect them netting all the fish in the Fraser?
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turned into a complete joke!
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There are still sockeye in the river, and it's about the nets catching sockeye when the FN cant. The rec fishery is just collateral damage.
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Who’s netting sockeye in the river then if FN can’t ?
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Long time lurker here, I felt really bad last year about not having proper salmon stamp ....don't feel that bad anymore looking at how corrupt DFO is....I don't know about you guys but I am taking my son out for some pink salmon fishing in Fraser before he starts his university even if it's open or closed ....call dfo if you want to report me ;-)
Don't blame you at all. It's moves like DFO is doing right now that breeds poaching when society becomes two tiered like this.
It's not like there is a shortage of fish. 20 million should be enough for all to get some. But when one group tells a government office to keep the other group away and the government does so its really bad news. Exclusive rights were not granted under the constitution .
Best sports fishermen can hope for is a Tuesday next week opening. A 13 day season will be it. good luck to those that make it out.
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There are still sockeye in the river, and it's about the nets catching sockeye when the FN cant. The rec fishery is just collateral damage.
Thats like a jealous sibling who dont want to let you eat the cake if they cant have it ......
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As I said before, in the eyes of DFO, the rec fishery is tied to the commercial fishery, a policy that I think needs changing. Even though the rec sockeye bycatch is zero in the tidal, the commercial sockeye bycatch is considerable. The FN have been throwing back sockeye, and ya if they cant have it no one can. The SCOC saw to that.
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There are still sockeye in the river, and it's about the nets catching sockeye when the FN cant. The rec fishery is just collateral damage.
not a chance, it's all about First Nations having a clear path to all and any salmon in the Fraser with Chinooks being netting in particular and who runs the show. All staff below the regional director have gags orders on them to not say what's happening.
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What was the size of 2021 pink return? I started salmon fishing 2021 and Fraser pink was the first salmon I caught, it was on Sept 10…If we’re getting a larger return this year what exactly holding the DFO opening up for rec anglers?
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Just drive over the golden ears bridge there’s no shortage of bets in the river
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I don't think the FN even want pinks.... not as valuable.
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What was the size of 2021 pink return? I started salmon fishing 2021 and Fraser pink was the first salmon I caught, it was on Sept 10…If we’re getting a larger return this year what exactly holding the DFO opening up for rec anglers?
rock bottom line is First Nations are stopping the rec angler from fishing. DFO has said so in meetings. This is why it's not opening
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Long time lurker here, I felt really bad last year about not having proper salmon stamp ....don't feel that bad anymore looking at how corrupt DFO is....I don't know about you guys but I am taking my son out for some pink salmon fishing in Fraser before he starts his university even if it's open or closed ....call dfo if you want to report me ;-)
Don't feel bad, it's the same logic why I steal from Save-On when I go shopping. Old Jimmy Pattison is a corrupt, rich weasel. Why shouldn't I stuff my pockets with chicken? I teach my children to do the same. Call the cops if you want to report me :D
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Don't feel bad, it's the same logic why I steal from Save-On when I go shopping. Old Jimmy Pattison is a corrupt, rich weasel. Why shouldn't I stuff my pockets with chicken? I teach my children to do the same. Call the cops if you want to report me :D
Best laugh of the day.... Its amazing how people justify doing something wrong or illegal to convince themselves they are owed something from someone else. Not picking on you, I have done the same in the past, BUT it is wrong...
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I don't think the FN even want pinks.... not as valuable.
.......just the females for roe....gut and toss with the bucks.....
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There is hope that a notice will go out Friday for a Saturday or Tuesday opening
But that’s all it is at this point
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There is hope that a notice will go out Friday for a Saturday or Tuesday opening
But that’s all it is at this point
I wouldnt bet a penny on it. :/
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The FN have been throwing back sockeye, and ya if they cant have it no one can. The SCOC saw to that.
No. SCOC set the principles by which the Fishery operates. It was DFO and Government's choice when they could have negotiated a deal with FNs. How the fishery is managed and administered is up to DFO.
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turned into a complete joke!
When did it TURN into a joke....yesterday? It's been a joke since the early 90s.
The FN have been throwing back sockeye, and ya if they cant have it no one can.
No they haven't. Come to Chilliwack. Both Sockeye and Springs are here for sale by the 100s of pounds. FN is NOT throwing back their sockeye....unless DFO is standing right there when they bring in the nets.
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Yes they are most certainly for sale and not hard to find.
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Don't feel bad, it's the same logic why I steal from Save-On when I go shopping. Old Jimmy Pattison is a corrupt, rich weasel. Why shouldn't I stuff my pockets with chicken? I teach my children to do the same. Call the cops if you want to report me :D
Even though it's a sarcasm, I don't see a problem robbing from corrupt people. Laws change over time, a law doesn't mean it is THE right law, take for example slavery and laws against FN over the history of Canada, I will go against such corrupt laws and govt (in this case DFO) and teach my kid the same. Your path is different than mine.
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There is hope that a notice will go out Friday for a Saturday or Tuesday opening
But that’s all it is at this point
Keep guessing, Your gonna get it right sooner or later....
Just say no one knows... till it is announced...
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Keep guessing, Your gonna get it right sooner or later....
Just say no one knows... till it is announced...
Ain’t no way pinks aren’t open yet 💀😭. I thought it would be open by now
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There is hope that a notice will go out Friday for a Saturday or Tuesday opening
But that’s all it is at this point
No one takes this Friday off for pink salmon fishing…if that’s their purpose of the delayed opening
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They have not opened it because First Nations asked them to keep it close
No need for speculation
Roeman is right no one knows, between dfo politicians and First Nations. What ever they decide
It’s not science or abundance based or anything to do with stocks of concern.
It’s political between fisheries minister and First Nations
That’s what the management of rec pink fisheries has become now
So don’t bother asking anyone at DFO
Ken malloway has more sway of when things open the DFO resource
Managers.
Maybe ask him on Facebook
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I guess Vedder will have fish in by now. Pink and chinook should have migrate gradually in
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I guess Vedder will have fish in by now. Pink and chinook should have migrate gradually in
Vedder opens tomorrow for coho... Pinks Pinks and more Pinks by the tail, back and butt.... So fun.....
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Pinks? People they are pinks? What have the majority of fishers become that we find loop holes and make excuses to justify fishing for pinks............
Very disgusted spot reading this thread. 😒
Oh and also very disgusted at finding a sockeye head and male organs on the banks of the Vedder yesterday, I suppose some would justify it as being alright too 🙄
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Even though it's a sarcasm, I don't see a problem robbing from corrupt people. Laws change over time, a law doesn't mean it is THE right law, take for example slavery and laws against FN over the history of Canada, I will go against such corrupt laws and govt (in this case DFO) and teach my kid the same. Your path is different than mine.
corrupt as an adjective (ie to describe a person or people) means a willingness to act dishonestly. That describes what you propose doing to a T...and yeah you can say those who illegally sell sockeye are corrupt too, But that doesn't change the nature of what you propose... that people should act corruptly in response.
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Pinks? People they are pinks? What have the majority of fishers become that we find loop holes and make excuses to justify fishing for pinks............
So we should be fighting only for coho and steelhead? What about the lost tidal Fraser Coho fishery, when has that been opening lately, November? We made a discussion forum about it and nobody posted a single catch. The pink fishery obviously will happen, it happened last season when only 6-9 were predicted. But all the facts around the matter of an opening and these circumstances of current run size should allow us to have a longer season even if Fraser survival is not as good as previously. We could barely make a dent in the pink run if it was open for 5 weeks.
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So we should be fighting only for coho and steelhead? What about the lost tidal Fraser Coho fishery, when has that been opening lately, November? We made a discussion forum about it and nobody posted a single catch. The pink fishery obviously will happen, it happened last season when only 6-9 were predicted. But all the facts around the matter of an opening and these circumstances of current run size should allow us to have a longer season even if Fraser survival is not as good as previously. We could barely make a dent in the pink run if it was open for 5 weeks.
Fighting for? You must mean advocating for, much different. Finding ways to justify openings when clearly the fish numbers and water levels in the chilliwack system do not indicate a reason to open pinks only shows the me first mentality on our rivers lately.
I'm all for fighting for access if warranted, but would never get so bend out of shape over pinks well before we see justified numbers.
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Fighting for? You must mean advocating for, much different. Finding ways to justify openings when clearly the fish numbers and water levels in the chilliwack system do not indicate a reason to open pinks only shows the me first mentality on our rivers lately.
I'm all for fighting for access if warranted, but would never get so bend out of shape over pinks well before we see justified numbers.
yes I use "fighting for" and "advocating for" interchangeably, I am specifically talking about the tidal fraser opening and I think we can all agree the numbers justify an opening.
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189 pinks in the wonnock and cottonwood test fishery yesterday, combined. Not really the numbers that dictate a recreational opening in my opinion.
Looks more like the numbers we would normally see this time of the year for chinooks that used to warrant a fishery.
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189 pinks in the wonnock and cottonwood test fishery yesterday, combined. Not really the numbers that dictate a recreational opening in my opinion.
Looks more like the numbers we would normally see this time of the year for chinooks that used to warrant a fishery.
Mission hydroacoustics show a healthy number, for some of us rec anglers we just ask for an opportunity when the numbers are sufficient, some like to C&R, some harvest, some just like to go out and wet the line.....but when we get denied for unfair reasons then thats a problem....i dont know much about the politics between FN and DFO so wont comment on it....but numbers are high enough to open the fraser for pinks and it is delayed which is unfair to license holders
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As I said earlier in this discussion, the tidal Fraser Pink salmon fishery is short and usually lasts no more than a week to 10 days starting some time late in the first week of the month or in the second week. Over the years I have seen many anglers fooled by the hype, fish the river in late August or around Labor Day and get skunked. I remember one early Sept day when my wife and I went to Fort Langley and then drove east on river road past Glen Valley to Duncan bar, just for the drive. There were some people fishing there and a pair of Fisheries Officers. I asked them how the fishing was and while they had been to a number of bars that day they'd looked at one fish and heard of a few others. The back of their vehicle was packed with confiscated fishing tackle though,so they'd made a good haul. I talked to a few anglers on the bar and they told the same story as the FOs. Little sign of fish and very few hooked, let alone landed.
If you can't fish, at least it's likely you are not missing much.
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Mission hydroacoustics show a healthy number, for some of us rec anglers we just ask for an opportunity when the numbers are sufficient, some like to C&R, some harvest, some just like to go out and wet the line.....but when we get denied for unfair reasons then thats a problem....i dont know much about the politics between FN and DFO so wont comment on it....but numbers are high enough to open the fraser for pinks and it is delayed which is unfair to license holders
I've been around long enough to understand the politics and certainly understand what healthy numbers look like but yes please keep fighting for the me people I will continue to advocate for the fish first, especially when we can all agree DFO has a hard time figuring the fish part out 😉
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As I said earlier in this discussion, the tidal Fraser Pink salmon fishery is short and usually lasts no more than a week to 10 days starting some time late in the first week of the month or in the second week. Over the years I have seen many anglers fooled by the hype, fish the river in late August or around Labor Day and get skunked. I remember one early Sept day when my wife and I went to Fort Langley and then drove east on river road past Glen Valley to Duncan bar, just for the drive. There were some people fishing there and a pair of Fisheries Officers. I asked them how the fishing was and while they had been to a number of bars that day they'd looked at one fish and heard of a few others. The back of their vehicle was packed with confiscated fishing tackle though, so they'd made a good haul. I talked to a few anglers on the bar and they told the same story as the FOs. Little sign of fish and very few hooked, let alone landed.
If you can't fish, at least it's likely you are not missing much.
half a million fish passed mission last two days, we are certainly missing out a lot...
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What Ralph and STS said. In my past 13 pink salmon season in the Tidal Fraser River since 1995, the first big surge of fish has always happened around September 5th and lasted about ten days. Prior to that surge, fish could be caught, but very few. It's unfortunate that opportunities have not been given yet this season, but realistically not much have been missed yet.
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Why has nobody mentioned that right now all students are on break. If they open the fishery Sept 3 like they did before that is 2 days before almost every school be it elementary, high school and college re-open for classes. Of course, the fishery managers that are disconnected from us folk don't seem to care. No I don't know any of them but that's my conclusion from what I see.
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Mission Hydroacoustics
Daily passage record for Wednesday August 30, 2023:
Sockeye Pink
20,600 300,200
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Mission Hydroacoustics
Daily passage record for Wednesday August 30, 2023:
Sockeye Pink
20,600 300,200
Great to see the numbers going up and all those fish making it to the promise land. Catches in area 20 is declining though.
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Why has nobody mentioned that right now all students are on break. If they open the fishery Sept 3 like they did before that is 2 days before almost every school be it elementary, high school and college re-open for classes. Of course, the fishery managers that are disconnected from us folk don't seem to care. No I don't know any of them but that's my conclusion from what I see.
It has been mention in meeting and said, after the long weekend people go back to their lives, work and school.
Its not about what the rec fishery wants, how many fish are in the river or anything science based.
Its what first nations will allow, They wanted last week and this week for chinook netting and don't want any conflicting fisheries happening.
Don't get frustrated at local dfo staff and managers, they put forth a proposal, science based, for a rec fishery below mission. It was approved, and at last minute, denied by Director General and the fisheries minister after a letter was written to them from First nations asking it be delayed till after the long weekend.
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It has been mention in meeting and said, after the long weekend people go back to their lives, work and school.
Its not about what the rec fishery wants, how many fish are in the river or anything science based.
Its what first nations will allow, They wanted last week and this week for chinook netting and don't want any conflicting fisheries happening.
Don't get frustrated at local dfo staff and managers, they put forth a proposal, science based, for a rec fishery below mission. It was approved, and at last minute, denied by Director General and the fisheries minister after a letter was written to them from First nations asking it be delayed till after the long weekend.
which chinook are they netting? The harrison run which is supposed to be around 110,000 fish this year?
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which chinook are they netting? The harrison run which is supposed to be around 110,000 fish this year?
Summer 5-2, summer 4-1s,
They don’t want stinky Harrison fish(fall 4-1) there may be some in river but that’s not the target
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Summer 5-2, summer 4-1s,
They don’t want stinky Harrison fish(fall 4-1) there may be some in river but that’s not the target
these are upper Fraser Red Chinooks?
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Right now they are mainly summer 4-1 Shuswap fish and are abundant
In the past the river would be open for bar fishing at these numbers
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Why has nobody mentioned that right now all students are on break. If they open the fishery Sept 3 like they did before that is 2 days before almost every school be it elementary, high school and college re-open for classes. Of course, the fishery managers that are disconnected from us folk don't seem to care. No I don't know any of them but that's my conclusion from what I see.
Lol, maybe ask the minister of education to better align the school year with the pinks. Better yet ask them to make a decision that bests suits the late or early arrival year to year........
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saying the proposal to open it last weekend was "science based" is meaningless. That's become a slogan. I am sure you can't quote any independent peer reviewed science publication to back it up. It was proposed because that was what rec angler wanted.
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Lol, maybe ask the minister of education to better align the school year with the pinks. Better yet ask them to make a decision that bests suits the late or early arrival year to year........
on it, actually I will get them to delay school until November ;D
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but yes please keep fighting for the me people I will continue to advocate for the fish first
You're a charter guy aren't you?
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saying the proposal to open it last weekend was "science based" is meaningless. That's become a slogan. I am sure you can't quote any independent peer reviewed science publication to back it up. It was proposed because that was what rec angler wanted.
your off the mark on this on Ralph, what rec actually asked for is a week before that and it was declined, DFO said to wait for a higher ratio of pinks and local staff met, resource managers etc and declined it, last weekend met all the boxes and was approved.
Higher ratio of pink to sockeye, check, little to no intercept of stocks of concern check, was approved at reviewed by resource managers to a high level.
in the end politics got in the way
and it was not done by anglers, it was done by an internal DFO team that meets
This was outside of the SFAB/SFAC process
this internal team has again met and put together another proposal with dates.
will see what happens
Your just annoyed because DFO has came out and said that this is 100% delayed by first nations and that its a polotical decision. Some people within the department are very upset that this is not the way in season fisheries should be managed and basically an order went out saying to back off.
it is what it is saying we now need an independent peer reviewed paper in order to have a rec fishery. Is that not what the resource managers in dfo are for, to make those informed decisions.
I would say more but those in the department have already been warned that they could be reprimanded if they push this more.
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FYI
Pink fisheries were just approved and announcements/fisheries notices to be posted shortly.
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FYI
Pink fisheries were just approved and announcements/fisheries notices to be posted shortly.
just saw they posted a notice for the Thompson, will probably be refreshing for next 5 hours ;D
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You're a charter guy aren't you?
No, just a poor choice in user names years ago.
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Fraser is open for Pinks Effective September 1, 2023
https://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=288829&ID=all
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https://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=288821&ID=all
Waters: Chilliwack/Vedder River (including Sumas River)from a line between two fishing boundary signs on either side of the Chilliwack River 100 m from the confluence of the Chilliwack River and Slesse Creek downstream including that portion of the Sumas River from the Barrow Town Pump Station downstream to fishing boundary signs near the confluence with the Fraser River, with exception of "no fishing for salmon" closure area currently in place.
Waters: Harrison River (from the Hwy 7 bridge downstream to the confluence with the Fraser River).
Waters: Stave River (downstream of BC Hydro Dam to the CPR Railway bridge).
Effective September 1 until September 30, 2023:
- The daily limit for Pink salmon is two (2).
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so from nowhere to almost everywhere open in the blink of an eye. More than enough passed through the lower Fraser recently to have an opening if there is now enough to have an opening all the way to and including the south Thompson.
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Funny how DFO "works". Not really science based but which user group yells the loudest.
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So when does everyone start crying because FN nets are also out along with beach seine efforts in the lower vedder? 🤔
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So when does everyone start crying because FN nets are also out along with beach seine efforts in the lower vedder? 🤔
the Sumas nation has a decent plan in place, no reason to to cry about anything really.
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your off the mark on this on Ralph, what rec actually asked for is a week before that and it was declined, DFO said to wait for a higher ratio of pinks and local staff met, resource managers etc and declined it, last weekend met all the boxes and was approved.
Higher ratio of pink to sockeye, check, little to no intercept of stocks of concern check, was approved at reviewed by resource managers to a high level.
in the end politics got in the way
and it was not done by anglers, it was done by an internal DFO team that meets
This was outside of the SFAB/SFAC process
this internal team has again met and put together another proposal with dates.
will see what happens
Your just annoyed because DFO has came out and said that this is 100% delayed by first nations and that its a polotical decision. Some people within the department are very upset that this is not the way in season fisheries should be managed and basically an order went out saying to back off.
it is what it is saying we now need an independent peer reviewed paper in order to have a rec fishery. Is that not what the resource managers in dfo are for, to make those informed decisions.
I would say more but those in the department have already been warned that they could be reprimanded if they push this more.
all also meaningless & none of it 'science' based
It's all open as of tomorrow but you are still squawking. I am sure that's science based too. How about some science based photos to show us you actually take part in this fishery!
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Funny how DFO "works". Not really science based but which user group yells the loudest.
it's all about which group has the power to tell DFO what to do and there is only one group.
Yelling and crying won't make anything happen.
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so from nowhere to almost everywhere open in the blink of an eye.
it took them 10 days to find the electric typewriter
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Funny how DFO "works". Not really science based but which user group yells the loudest.
Non tidal was suppose to be a week later and only from hope bridge down, what happens when things become political.
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it took them 10 days to find the electric typewriter
Herein lies the problem. Typewriters were all manual; IIRC there were never electric.
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OMG......
Two things had to happen...
1 enough fish....
2 FN say yes...
ITS THAT SIMPLE
This is just the beginning. FN will be closing down access to many areas just because they can...
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On Tuesday I spent a few hours scouting the lower river to see what has changed…every run I visited is different from last year…did not hook or spot a salmon anywhere…hopefully soon…
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OMG......
Two things had to happen...
1 enough fish....
2 FN say yes...
ITS THAT SIMPLE
This is just the beginning. FN will be closing down access to many areas just because they can...
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Do we know if the fish have reached up to the Vedder or Stave yet?
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Herein lies the problem. Typewriters were all manual; IIRC there were never electric.
This is the most offensive comment I've read so far on this thread ::)
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Do we know if the fish have reached up to the Vedder or Stave yet?
definitely some but not the majority yet, in two weeks its gonna be crazy. See you guys at first light ;)
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definitely some but not the majority yet, in two weeks its gonna be crazy. See you guys at first light ;)
Might head out tomorrow to see whatʻs up or I might just go to the Squamish.
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hope the Fraser opening would reduce the pressure from Ambleside…
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On Tuesday I spent a few hours scouting the lower river to see what has changed…every run I visited is different from last year…did not hook or spot a salmon anywhere…hopefully soon…
the entire run went through an hour before you got there. they are in a real hurry this year.
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https://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=288821&ID=all
Waters: Chilliwack/Vedder River (including Sumas River)from a line between two fishing boundary signs on either side of the Chilliwack River 100 m from the confluence of the Chilliwack River and Slesse Creek downstream including that portion of the Sumas River from the Barrow Town Pump Station downstream to fishing boundary signs near the confluence with the Fraser River, with exception of "no fishing for salmon" closure area currently in place.
Waters: Harrison River (from the Hwy 7 bridge downstream to the confluence with the Fraser River).
Waters: Stave River (downstream of BC Hydro Dam to the CPR Railway bridge).
Effective September 1 until September 30, 2023:
- The daily limit for Pink salmon is two (2).
normally it is 4 per day, particularly with this size of run. The secretary probably pulled a copy of the wrong fishery notice and the RD signed it off without reading it!
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hope the Fraser opening would reduce the pressure from Ambleside…
it won't
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normally it is 4 per day, particularly with this size of run. The secretary probably pulled a copy of the wrong fishery notice and the RD signed it off without reading it!
This is better for the fish. Nobody knows the exact impact of those 2021 Vedder floods until more fish come into the river. With El Nino probably bringing in more predators from the southern ocean, we need all the extra fish to preserve 2025 pink run.
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This is better for the fish. Nobody knows the exact impact of those 2021 Vedder floods until more fish come into the river.
The rumor that people failed math is obviously true.
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Seems a lot of fish. Have a good day everybody!
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Seems a lot of fish. Have a good day everybody!
is that a small piece of lead between the orange bead and the tasman lure? hows that rigged? to what effect...
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Seems a lot of fish. Have a good day everybody!
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to fake the hook set in the mouth more convincingly I like push the hook point well in so most of the bend can't be seen.
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On Tuesday I spent a few hours scouting the lower river to see what has changed…every run I visited is different from last year…did not hook or spot a salmon anywhere…hopefully soon…
Had a buddy sturgeon fishing, said pinks where jumping all over the place when he was out there. Fishing lower river below Port Mann
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OMG......
Two things had to happen...
1 enough fish....
2 FN say yes...
ITS THAT SIMPLE
This is just the beginning. FN will be closing down access to many areas just because they can...
Waiting for Skeena area First Nations to clue into the power they have and have any fishing up there shut down until they catch their quota. Next few years are going to become very interesting watching it all unfold.
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Finally get to replenish the dog food freezer ;D .
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This is better for the fish. Nobody knows the exact impact of those 2021 Vedder floods until more fish come into the river. With El Nino probably bringing in more predators from the southern ocean, we need all the extra fish to preserve 2025 pink run.
Somehow those fish can bypass the lower section below Mission?
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This might be a dumb question. Would fishing a bar rig ruffle any feathers from the CO's. Casting spoons is a bit tough for my son but tending to a rod he's all for it. I have unscented egg clusters I've used on the squamish for Pinks in the past.
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is that a small piece of lead between the orange bead and the tasman lure? hows that rigged? to what effect...
additional weight helps a few feet casting distance. but probably not necessary. fish are close to shore.
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Dad went this morning, landed 2, lost 3....saw a huge sturgeon too
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Finally get to replenish the dog food freezer ;D .
Made my day. Thanks.
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This might be a dumb question. Would fishing a bar rig ruffle any feathers from the CO's. Casting spoons is a bit tough for my son but tending to a rod he's all for it. I have unscented egg clusters I've used on the squamish for Pinks in the past.
Bar fishing is legal but I don't how effective it would be for pinks.
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Bar fishing is legal but I don't how effective it would be for pinks.
Pink does not bite roe at all. Do others find the same?
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Bar fishing is legal but I don't how effective it would be for pinks.
May be rig up a spin and glo? Not sure if the current is strong enough in the Tidal Fraser.
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Bar fishing is legal but I don't how effective it would be for pinks.
Me neither. But it's something to occupy the kiddo while I toss some lures. And if a pink bites the more excitement for him.
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Pink does not bite roe at all. Do others find the same?
Yes they do bite roe. I've hooked many while fishing for coho on the Vedder.
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stopped by misson for 30 mins this morning. didnt see any caught, reports of a few at first light but pretty slow
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silver shinny like a trout
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Pink does not bite roe at all. Do others find the same?
Bait ban on the fraser....
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silver shinny like a trout
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that's one silver bullet
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man how are you guys getting fish. I fished for three hours at the Squamish and got nothing. I suck at fishing lol
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man how are you guys getting fish. I fished for three hours at the Squamish and got nothing. I suck at fishing lol
You have to watch the tide, see where the fish could hold, toss the lures and retrieve so that it presents it correctly to the fish.....OR theres an easier way, look for people catching the fish and squeeze in that spot (if you find the space)
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only saw fish first light at the high tide, after that the day was DEAD. Landed 2 lost 3. Should've just gone home at 9 ::)
I must say the water clarity was piss poor and it only seemed to get worse throughout the day
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tonigts flood tide at richmond should bring lots of pinks.
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man how are you guys getting fish. I fished for three hours at the Squamish and got nothing. I suck at fishing lol
why would you go to the Squamish, the place to be now is at the Fraser
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i didnt even know it was open until this minute; i would have thought someone would have posted a giant EVERYONE EVERYONE FREAKAZOID OMG ITS FOOKEN OPEN DA PINKS sort of post after this thread that just keeps going and going and going lol
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Went twice today at my spot - around 9am then around 3pm.
Landed two this morning.
First was a big buck that I let go so Rod's Dad could catch it way upstream.
Then kept a nice doe with lice on it.
This afternoon was strange - was looking good right up to high slack.
Tons of fish were surfacing further out and the should have come into shore for the slack but they didn't.
Landed and kept a nice buck a bit earlier.
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Went after work Lost 1. 0 landed in the Tidal.
Are pinks in the Vedder in numbers?
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Fished for about an hour just before sunset. Sunset beautiful. Fishing could have been better. Only saw a couple splashes that were way too far. None near shore. Will be back at it tomorrow morning.
Good luck all.
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Sounds good!
Thanks for the info. If i have time, i hope i can head down to steveston for pinks right before school starts for me :-\
I wonder why the North and Middle Arms are not as productive?
Have you tried yet to fish for them off the dog park? Curious as this spot is close to me and I have had tried once before, but had no luck.
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FYi... Over the past 25 years, I have caught way more pink salmon in North Arm than South Arm. South Arm tends to get those huge surges of fish flooding in during the incoming tides, but they are usually short lived. North Arm's fish tend to stream in steadily, not only throughout each tide, but also throughout the season too. I have caught fresh, chrome pink salmon in North Arm as late as early October.
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Went out yesterday and had a great time my ratio of fish landed was horrible 5:11 but was great to get out and have a good time with friends.
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Sep 1 Deas Island 2:30pm - 5:30pm on incoming tide. A few salmon showing very occasionally, not likely pinks. Several sturgeon showing. No hookups.
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FYi... Over the past 25 years, I have caught way more pink salmon in North Arm than South Arm. South Arm tends to get those huge surges of fish flooding in during the incoming tides, but they are usually short lived. North Arm's fish tend to stream in steadily, not only throughout each tide, but also throughout the season too. I have caught fresh, chrome pink salmon in North Arm as late as early October.
I've started to notice this on the south arm, it seems around high tide for about an hour a bunch of fish come through and then its dead for hours and only a couple stragglers are caught.
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I thought outgoing tide would be good for south arm, but last couple of days there were only single stragglers. Big schools arrived during incoming.
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End of next week should be excellent.
You'll see 10 fish on the surface at any given time during prime time.
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Many angling opportunities are more learning and less catching opportunities .
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I have never fished the fraser before over my 8 years of fishing, what are some good spots on the fraser?
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I have never fished the fraser before over my 8 years of fishing, what are some good spots on the fraser?
have you every read Rodney's Website???...
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/ (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/)
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North Arm in Richmond had a dyke upgrade a few years ago and there are large gravel areas to pullover along the river, however there are no parking signs. Hopefully bylaw will turn a blind eye for a bit.
Further west there used to by nice sheltered pullouts among the Cottonwood trees. All those trees have been cut down and access blocked off.
Access is definitely more limited than it used to be.
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have you every read Rodney's Website???...
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/ (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/)
What an ignorant comment. Karma hopes you go for a swim with waders on while fishing for pinks....
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have you every read Rodney's Website???...
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/ (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/)
Iʻm sorry I just wanted user inputs from their successes, I didnʻt know that was so offensive to some people.
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I've started to notice this on the south arm, it seems around high tide for about an hour a bunch of fish come through and then its dead for hours and only a couple stragglers are caught.
Remember the high tide in front of you is later upstream. You can always chase the fish up the river.
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Iʻm sorry I just wanted user inputs from their successes, I didnʻt know that was so offensive to some people.
Check out the list of spots for the Tidal Fraser River I got on this page:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/articles/region_two/tidal_fraser_river.html
I would say Derby Reach, Glen Valley, Matsqui are kid-friendly because of the gravel bars.
The spots in Richmond are all on bigger rocks that you have to walk down on along the dyke, can be tricky, but you do encounter fresher fish in this area.
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Iʻm sorry I just wanted user inputs from their successes, I didnʻt know that was so offensive to some people.
no need to apologize, just for myself when I first started I read every article I could on Rodney's website and I learned so much. I feel everybody interested should. That's the first place I recommend anybody to start, you can spend days perusing everything like I have, but you probably aren't nearly as crazy as me about fishing ;D. There is a tidal Fraser fishing section on the homepage. I have fished river road, dyke road, annacis island, sapperton landing, foreshore park you name it. In the end the timing and luck is way more important than location (other than fishing a snag free spot) and there is more than enough content on the site to find all you need. Success is never assured only hoped for.
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Seems the commercial fishing in tidal fraser coincident with lack of success start Sep 2nd. Unless fish only push in in good number on Sep 1st.
Saw hundreds fishing rising on Sep 1st. 2 rising today.
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Are the pinks in Vedder Canal in number yet? With the lower tidal Fraser slowing down fishing due to commercial opening, perhaps it is better to try the Vedder, especially with fly fishing.
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Have you tried yet to fish for them off the dog park? Curious as this spot is close to me and I have had tried once before, but had no luck.
Havent had the chance yet, just got back in vancouver. Might head out to that spot soon
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FYi... Over the past 25 years, I have caught way more pink salmon in North Arm than South Arm. South Arm tends to get those huge surges of fish flooding in during the incoming tides, but they are usually short lived. North Arm's fish tend to stream in steadily, not only throughout each tide, but also throughout the season too. I have caught fresh, chrome pink salmon in North Arm as late as early October.
Is north arm across from the YVR airport?
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Are the pinks in Vedder Canal in number yet? With the lower tidal Fraser slowing down fishing due to commercial opening, perhaps it is better to try the Vedder, especially with fly fishing.
Around Maple Ridge was real good this morning. Lots of fish around for my buddies
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Is north arm across from the YVR airport?
North of the airport, yes. South of the airport is the middle arm.
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Do we know if they have reached up to the stave river yet?
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Seems the commercial fishing in tidal fraser coincident with lack of success start Sep 2nd. Unless fish only push in in good number on Sep 1st.
Saw hundreds fishing rising on Sep 1st. 2 rising today.
I noticed the same, Friday morning was killer, Saturday Morning was alright for an hour, Today was dead as in zero for anybody didn't even see a jump..
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Seems the commercial fishing in tidal fraser coincident with lack of success start Sep 2nd. Unless fish only push in in good number on Sep 1st.
Saw hundreds fishing rising on Sep 1st. 2 rising today.
what commercial fishery? There have been no full on commercial Gill Net openings in the Fraser yet. Are you mistaking the First Nations FSC chinook fishery for Commercial? maybe I missed the announcement for a commercial opening for Pink salmon but it's very unusual for the commercial gill netters to fish the Fraser on any weekend days.
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Pretty quiet on the south arm in Delta during the mid to late morning. Some jumpers, not many, and only one fish landed among the several guys where I was.
I was my first time fishing the tidal Fraser in several years. I forgot how interesting the tides are, and the inertia of that top layer of freshwater. The tide was ebbing as evidenced by the rocks that every so slowly emerged from the water, yet the top layer of freshwater was still moving upstream. Very cool.
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Used this trusty spoon for most of the morning. Anybody recognize it? Better yet, anybody still have one? :) I still have two remaining!
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Looks like the Rodney spoon. Still have several dozens.
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Winner winner, chicken dinner!
You still have several dozens!? Jealous! :)
I bought a batch of these spoons from Rod in 2007. Funny that I still have a a couple remaining 16 years later.
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FN0938-COMMERCIAL - Salmon: Seine - Area B - Fraser River Pink - Area 29 - Limited Participation Assessment Fishery Opening - September 3, 2023
FN0937-COMMERCIAL - Salmon: Seine - Area B - Fraser River Pink - Areas 12, 13 - Opening September 2, 2023 - 2023 ITQ Demonstration Fishery
FN0936-COMMERCIAL - Salmon: Troll - Area H - Fraser River Pink - Areas 12, 13 - Opening September 2, 2023 - ITQ Demonstration Fishery
FN0935-COMMERCIAL - Salmon: Troll - Pink - Area H - Area 29 - Fraser River Pink ITQ Demonstration Fishery - Opening September 2, 2023
There's be Commercial Fisheries as soon as a Rec Opening.
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Had a good first light hour today, was casting 200ft with one ounce buzzbomb at the beginning, snagged 15ft from shore on a log and realized that there’s some structure, switched to 1/4 ounce Tasmanian devil, casting 50ft out, very slow retrieve, got 6 hookups but only landed 3…all bucks, kept a bigger one for buddy to take home for the kids…no action after 7:30
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drove up the number 1 between Chilliwack and Hope. Saw a total of 1 angler on the various bb bars visible from the highway. Didn't fish myself but hopefully this coming week and next.
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Fished new west for the last hour. Tonight. Seen a few jumpers. And most of the guys leaving when I showed up had one or two.
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Pulled up to no.3 road pier this morning; there was a ton of people lined up along the rocks but very few fish were caught. After fishing, I went to berry's to buy some lures and they said that the bite should get better after high tide as the pinks would be closer to the shore.
Might try out no.3 again or the fraser river dog park tomorrow
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Noticed fewer fish last couple of days compared to first 2 days.
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I heard Brownsville under Patullo Bridge has been fishing really well. Lots of biters!
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Fished this morning at Maple Ridge/Pitt Meadows area. Didn't see as many fish as yesterday but there was a steady flow. Hope it picks up a over the next few days.
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Pulled up to no.3 road pier this morning; there was a ton of people lined up along the rocks but very few fish were caught. After fishing, I went to berry's to buy some lures and they said that the bite should get better after high tide as the pinks would be closer to the shore.
Might try out no.3 again or the fraser river dog park tomorrow
same here, went to delta after and got a fish before headed home, some get lucky and hook 3-5 some get nothing some get 1 or 2. I've found its mostly up to luck because we are all using the same lure ;D
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FN0939-COMMERCIAL - Salmon: Troll - Area H - Areas 12, 13 - Fraser River Pink ITQ Demonstration Fishery - Closure
Further to FN0936, due to low fishing effort in Areas 12 and 13, and decreased Pink abundance in the Area 12 test fishery, the Area H troll Fraser Pink ITQ Demonstration Fishery will close at 23:59 hours on September 4, 2023. No further troll fishing opportunities in Areas 12 and 13 are anticipated for Fraser Pink salmon this season.
Licence holders are reminded that quota overages must be reconciled within 24 hours of landing and validation of catch, and all fishing reports, as outlined in the Conditions of 2023/2024 Salmon Area H Licence, must be completed.
FOR MORE INFORMATION:
Quota Officer:
Heather Braun (Heather.Braun@dfo-mpo.gc.ca)
Fisheries & Oceans Operations Center - FN0939
Sent September 4, 2023 at 1710
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FN0939-COMMERCIAL - Salmon: Troll - Area H - Areas 12, 13 - Fraser River Pink ITQ Demonstration Fishery - Closure
FOR MORE INFORMATION:
Quota Officer:
Heather Braun (Heather.Braun@dfo-mpo.gc.ca)
Fisheries & Oceans Operations Center - FN0939
Sent September 4, 2023 at 1710
I wonder how many times Heather's been out counting them salmon.
(https://i.ibb.co/V2gN7XH/2023-09-04-er184433.jpg)
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I wonder how many times Heather's been out counting them salmon.
Lol, stalking much ;D
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For everyone wondering how far the pinks have made it up river; I saw steady streams of pink salmon heading up river when I was fishing the Thompson yesterday.
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For everyone wondering how far the pinks have made it up river; I saw steady streams of pink salmon heading up river when I was fishing the Thompson yesterday.
my friend and his family caught a whole lot this weekend. They said the pink fishing was amazing and they were in good condition.
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Lol, stalking much ;D
haha it's called "googling" now.
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You guys are funny 😆
No fishing today was plumbing 😢. Anyways I’ll post tomorrow about some spots in newwest. And the island I’m going to rip around to a few spots.
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Fishing yesterday In the maple ridge area was super slow I managed to get into 3 all day it was the slowest day by far. It should puck up here by the end of the week. But Friday sayerday were pretty good.
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haha it's called "googling" now.
Or doxxing. It's not appropriate. What's your reason for posting her photo?
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Or doxxing. It's not appropriate. What's your reason for posting her photo?
I'm a bit old so i had to look up what doxxing meant. It says I posted private information for malicious intent.
So, I have to ask - you claim the info I posted was "private" and you know for a fact I was doing this for "malicious" intent? How exactly. Because there is zero proof of that.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/heather-braun-69437041/?originalSubdomain=ca
I googled the name of an individual working for the DFO that directly affects the pink fishery - which is the topic of thread. This is public and free info. I thought it was interesting that she had pink hair actually. It's called "irony".
If you want to accuse people for having negative intent how about backing it up with something? I'm being defensive here because you took a totally innocent and legal thing and twisted it into something dirty.
That tells us more about you then me.
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Hah I had to look up doxxing as well ! I never thought your post was the least bit malicious and obvious to me as well the information was not private. Sometimes the morals police are a little to quick to action on here Dennis.
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Fishing yesterday In the maple ridge area was super slow I managed to get into 3 all day it was the slowest day by far. It should puck up here by the end of the week. But Friday sayerday were pretty good.
The fish counter at Mission the last few days. They're doing something to avoid being hooked.
01-Sep 216,500
02-Sep 561,600
03-Sep 750,000
04-Sep 566,100
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I'm a bit old so i had to look up what doxxing meant. It says I posted private information for malicious intent.
So, I have to ask - you claim the info I posted was "private" and you know for a fact I was doing this for "malicious" intent? How exactly. Because there is zero proof of that.
No it's not private. But I have never seen a case where public service managers who are men get this sort of attention.
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[Photo of Fisheries and Oceans Canada employee.]
This is highly inappropriate and should be removed.
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Tried a few spots along lower Fraser South Arm this morning and saw a few risers. A ew bite and eventually played one for a while then off the hook.
The bite slowed down after about an hour so I eventually went back to Brownsville (Surrey). Arrived around 10:00 am and people getting fish. The bite seemed very consistent. Got 2 within 20 minutes and another 2 in just over an hour. Seen a few people leaving with their limit. A bit busy but it seems more of a meat fishery there.
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This is highly inappropriate and should be removed.
+1
Back to the topic. Went to Delta in the lunch break right at the high tide. Saw a few jumpers right away which got me excited but no luck after an hour trying with various lures. Something interesting that happened is that I got a silver follower strike the lure right at my feet. Unfortunately I couldn't set the hook as it was too close and had a bit of slack. I'm doubting it was a pink as it seemed very silver (and the jumping pinks I saw looked greener) and also I don't recall many times where pinks have followed a lure and strike at the last second like that - wonder if it was a trout or a Jack Coho. In any case, we will never know. Went back to work just now and haven't seen any jumpers for the last hour.
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It's inappropriate. I happen to know Heather personally and many others who work in the department. I don't see the point of the post, what has she done exactly to inspire someone to generate that kind of attention on her?
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I'm a bit old so i had to look up what doxxing meant. It says I posted private information for malicious intent.
So, I have to ask - you claim the info I posted was "private" and you know for a fact I was doing this for "malicious" intent? How exactly. Because there is zero proof of that.
From Wikipedia: Doxing or doxxing is the act of publicly providing personally identifiable information about an individual or organization, usually via the Internet.
This is my understanding of the term, no mention of private information or malicious intent. Regardless, I've made my point, and wish you best of luck with the pinks!
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The fish counter at Mission the last few days. They're doing something to avoid being hooked.
01-Sep 216,500
02-Sep 561,600
03-Sep 750,000
04-Sep 566,100
Holy moly. I did fairly well today but yesterday did not seem like 550k passed mission at all!
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I wish I was old enough to drive a car by myself :skull:
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Question for the fly anglers - todays water clarity in the South Arm didn't seem that terrible so I'm thinking on bringing the fly rod next time I go, as fish were raising fairly close to shore. With almost nonexistent back casting room in the spots I like to go, I wonder if Spey is a better idea as you (almost) don't need any back casting space, but then the lack of current during tide changes may screw up my D-loop. Shall I stick to one hand and rollcast or you think there is a chance at spey?
There is an easy way to find out the answer but with work and small kids I will only get a few chances at this fishery so want to go as prepared as possible. Any thoughts are welcome. Thanks!
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I have seen it done with the one hand. Watch for passing cars on your back cast.
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Question for the fly anglers - todays water clarity in the South Arm didn't seem that terrible so I'm thinking on bringing the fly rod next time I go, as fish were raising fairly close to shore. With almost nonexistent back casting room in the spots I like to go, I wonder if Spey is a better idea as you (almost) don't need any back casting space, but then the lack of current during tide changes may screw up my D-loop. Shall I stick to one hand and rollcast or you think there is a chance at spey?
There is an easy way to find out the answer but with work and small kids I will only get a few chances at this fishery so want to go as prepared as possible. Any thoughts are welcome. Thanks!
Try a circle spey. It seems to be one of the best in still water - either double or single handed.
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Went out this evening for a few hours. Caught two nice males and helped net a buddy’s nice female. Two other guys near us each had one, and one guy near us lost one. No noticeable surface activity.
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I have noticed that, almost no surface activity unlike in the past when you could see a pod coming up from down river.
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The fish counter at Mission the last few days. They're doing something to avoid being hooked.
01-Sep 216,500
02-Sep 561,600
03-Sep 750,000
04-Sep 566,100
Holy moly. I did fairly well today but yesterday did not seem like 550k passed mission at all!
what in the world, the only day I saw a lot of fish was Friday and every other day has been slow. These fish have developed new tactics XD, I fished south arm today from 7 to last light and only saw a couple jump and no hookups for anyone. :P. I don't think they're in the north arm either I've stopped by foreshore at high tide and saw nothing.
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what in the world, the only day I saw a lot of fish was Friday and every other day has been slow. These fish have developed new tactics XD, I fished south arm today from 7 to last light and only saw a couple jump and no hookups for anyone. :P. I don't think they're in the north arm either I've stopped by foreshore at high tide and saw nothing.
01-Sep 216,500
02-Sep 561,600
03-Sep 750,000
04-Sep 566,100
05-Sep 323,900
Fewer fish yesterday, but we surpassed 4 Million total past Mission. Looks like it'll easily surpass the minimal 6 Million target.
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01-Sep 216,500
02-Sep 561,600
03-Sep 750,000
04-Sep 566,100
05-Sep 323,900
Fewer fish yesterday, but we surpassed 4 Million total past Mission. Looks like it'll easily surpass the minimal 6 Million target.
Sounds the surge is not on Sep 05 but earlier. I don't understand the 6 million target. Isn't the forecast 20 million fish?
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I think the minimum spawning numbers are 6 million.
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Sounds the surge is not on Sep 05 but earlier. I don't understand the 6 million target. Isn't the forecast 20 million fish?
I don't think the daily maximum number of fish passed mission has happened yet.
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I don't think the daily maximum number of fish passed mission has happened yet.
it usually happens on the 7th to 14th right
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it usually happens on the 7th to 14th right
Right, have to fish everyday during this stretch to find out ;D
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Right, have to fish everyday during this stretch to find out ;D
I'm not sure I can do it man I've already been out every day since the opening ;D. Only three fish to show for it all.
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Tomorrow's commercial opening isn't going to help the fishermen in the Lower Fraser.
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Commercial total allowable catch of 7,636,300 Fraser Pink Salmon. Wow.
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Commercial total allowable catch of 7,636,300 Fraser Pink Salmon. Wow.
This is ludicrous. Way to exploit the resource and make already wealthy people more wealthy, but now using OUR fish and the country's resource is being taken. This has been happening way too long. >:(
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pink salmon is selling at 6 cents a pound right now too...
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This is ludicrous. Way to exploit the resource and make already wealthy people more wealthy, but now using OUR fish and the country's resource is being taken. This has been happening way too long. >:(
I hear you brother. On the other hand, humans gotta eat. If the spawning goal of 6M is met, I don't see why the fish shouldn't be harvested. In the end fish is a much more sustainable protein than meats (especially red) and it's even better when it doesn't come from farmed fish or populations of concern (like this years pink salmon run looks like)
Now, as an angler, it does absolutely piss me off that the day I get to fish there are boats scooping up the fish but as you rightly put it earlier, pink fishing sometimes is just luck. You may get 8, 2 or 0 at a given spot depending on many different factors and probably the commercial fleet being out there is not that determinant as you and I found out yesterday when we went out for example.
Good news is that we can at least blame them now when we get skunked starting tomorrow ;D
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I hear you brother. On the other hand, humans gotta eat. If the spawning goal of 6M is met, I don't see why the fish shouldn't be harvested. In the end fish is a much more sustainable protein than meats (especially red) and it's even better when it doesn't come from farmed fish or populations of concern (like this years pink salmon run looks like)
I agree but why do they deserve what I estimate might be 40% of the run. Why not let more fish spawn and maybe improve our future runs. Yes it seemed ocean conditions favored pink salmon ocean wide but still more fish spawning can only help the future runs and the environment.
I also don't see why we don't allow First Nations to harvest and sell when we have abundant runs. I am sure if they got HALF of what the corporations got to harvest it would improve their lives a lot and improve Canada's reconciliation efforts. I am aware they might not have as much industrial equiptment, freezers, vessels and stuff but if the government can subsidize our FN instead of big corporations. Then other stocks of concern will be saved because they got to profit off of a sustainable fishery. That can take more nets out of the river when IFS are migrating through.
Let me know if I got it wrong anyone, but this makes way more since to me than letting the Jim Pattison Group profit from our salmon. I don't oppose rich from getting richer, props to them for being smart and taking advantage of the system but I am absolutely NOT OK when they are profiting off of what should be a SHARED & PUBLIC resource. Plus how many of those Pink Salmon do you see end up rotting at superstore or save on foods it is a disgrace. Worst part is this system is almost impossible to change unless you were extremely well connected or wealthy.
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Valid points and not all have good answers/easy solutions. Not trying to justify but wanted to note is that food waste in our society is not limited to fish and a big percentage of every food we produce to sell in supermarkets or restaurants ends up being wasted which I agree is a disgrace. Also I doubt a lot of the pink salmon caught is sold "fresh" but instead canned (I sometimes buy those pink salmon cans myself) or frozen.
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pink salmon is selling at 6 cents a pound right now too...
that was the landed cost earlier in the summer. It still has to be processed, transported to markets and everyone along that path wants to earn some profit.
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Valid points and not all have good answers/easy solutions. Not trying to justify but wanted to note is that food waste in our society is not limited to fish and a big percentage of every food we produce to sell in supermarkets or restaurants ends up being wasted which I agree is a disgrace. Also I doubt a lot of the pink salmon caught is sold "fresh" but instead canned (I sometimes buy those pink salmon cans myself) or frozen.
When I used to work at the fish cannery, all pinks were canned.
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rightly or not, pinks are generally regarded as the lowest quality of the Pacific salmon species though it's a close competition with chums for which is least desirable.
Darko re; some of your comments. Commercial salmon fishing is dying but it's a long slow painful death. The only answer to why it's done the way it is is because, it's always been done that way. The FNs do it much the same after DFO outlawed some of their own generally better approaches such as traps, weirs and fish wheels. Putting a huge number of fish on the spawning grounds isn't necessarily a straight line of benefits. Too many fish means some use less productive areas of a river or dig up the eggs of other fish. Too many means too many fry competing for food both in river and out in the ocean. Huge spawning escapements generally correlate with lower returns. OTOH more dead spawned out fish means more ocean nutrients transferred to inland streams which is good for that ecosystem.
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rightly or not, pinks are generally regarded as the lowest quality of the Pacific salmon species though it's a close competition with chums for which is least desirable.
Putting a huge number of fish on the spawning grounds isn't necessarily a straight line of benefits. Too many fish means some use less productive areas of a river or dig up the eggs of other fish. Too many means too many fry competing for food both in river and out in the ocean. Huge spawning escapements generally correlate with lower returns.
https://waves-vagues.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/library-bibliotheque/189621.pdf (https://waves-vagues.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/library-bibliotheque/189621.pdf)
I found this interesting, we have had similar returns historically and escapement in the hundreds of thousands for a single tributary.
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5 year old nephew caught his first salmon yesterday. was fun to witness. start em young.
lots of rollers not a lot of biters. end of 5 rd in richmond
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34 year old nephew caught his first salmon couple of days ago was fun to witness regardless of age.
Not a lot of rollers not a lot of biters Glen Valley.
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Not much action nor surface activity in Surrey New West. May be Vedder is better bet.
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Lots of rollers in Delta this morning with incoming tide. But not many bites. Saw only 3 caught the whole morning. I have fished few hours everyday since Sept 1, before during or after high tide. Generally, I found it very slow. Today was the first time I saw any surface activity. I have only landed 2 of 3 fish hooked in 7 days of fishing.
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Same here and glad I'm not the only one. Wasted 2 hours of my morning at Delta today. Lots of rollers and jumpers but not a single bite even though I threw everything at them in all possible retrieve speeds but nothing. Had flashbacks from those days fishing the Cap with tons of fish around but no bites.
I know that what I do should work as it has worked for me in the past in the same spot, so I guess I got unlucky. I suspect the non tidal portion or the tributaries are going to be the way to go as others have posted, but will try a couple more times in the south arm in the next few days 🙏
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My dad goes everyday too, got his limit yesterday and called me today that he got 2 in one hour, I guess its all luck with pinks.....
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A few fish moving through the South Arm this morning. Saw 4 caught. Had 1 strike.
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My Pink salmon fishing expedition:
Checked out places on both shores near home. Some were crowded
brownsville:
(https://i.imgur.com/yqjueiT.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/UQbs8ZG.jpg)
one on!
(https://i.imgur.com/9ljruP9.jpg)
Landing:
(https://i.imgur.com/soaBr6s.jpg)
Happy Angler:
(https://i.imgur.com/sSBUIaG.jpg)
Brownsville - rip rap
(https://i.imgur.com/bkiZMqt.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/JP4R02g.jpg)
Surrey Fishing Pier
One in the net
(https://i.imgur.com/BmA3cNm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/FEceYnr.jpg)
Just took photos at those 2 locations. Too crowded. Fished the north side for 2 hours. Few showing. no luck
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This morning before I fished the Fraser, decided to fish the West Van waterfront. Seems like the most of the Pinks are done in that area. Some people fishing this morning but way fewer anglers. When I say way fewer, I mean compared to the last 2 weeks, the people have disappeared and so have the bulk of the Pinks. Didn't really see anyone landing anything for the 2½ hours I spent trying to get a bite.
Took a break and went to a few spots on the Fraser. Few fish caught while I was out but during the last 2 hours of the incoming tide, started to see more activity. More fish seemed to be biting and looked like more people with fish on. Brownsville seemed to be the most active spot. A couple of the people there told me it's also really good at first light as a good amount of fish seem to hold there and a good bite early morning before it gets too bright out. Go out there and have some fun before the Pink fishery is over.
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the pink season should last throughout the month & perhaps into next (I don't think the current openings allow for this) you just have to shift your focus.
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Yesterday evening fished Maple Ridge for couple hours. Saw very few rise or jump but was able to land 3.
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Landed 1 on first cast and nothing after that for everyone. Apparently 450k pinks went past Mission and another 500k caught in river in today's report.
Fish were not showing themselves. Either not biting or fewer fish.
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has anyone fished the stave yet?
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Landed 1 on first cast and nothing after that for everyone. Apparently 450k pinks went past Mission and another 500k caught in river in today's report.
Fish were not showing themselves. Either not biting or fewer fish.
Per the Catch to Date Report issued today.
The total commercial fisheries (Canada & US) catch including in the ocean is less than 500k. Test fisheries took less than 12k. FNs took well under 6. The total Fraser Pink salmon taken is 503k taken passage past Mission was 4.6 million as of yesterday so total accounted for is 5.1 million
the same report available in the PSC Panel package for Sept 8th says the current available TAC is about 13.5million. At the rate the commercial sector is harvesting pinks there will be a huge mass of pinks entering the Fraser in the next few weeks.
So if the forecast of 20 million is correct - we should expect another 15 million (more or less) still to come.
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has anyone fished the stave yet?
I'm pretty sure that the Stave does not have a pink salmon run. I know the fisheries notice for Pinks includes C/V, Harrison and Stave so unless the Inch Creek Hatchery are introducing Pinks in the Stave, I don't think there is a run or I never heard of one.
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I'm pretty sure that the Stave does not have a pink salmon run. I know the fisheries notice for Pinks includes C/V, Harrison and Stave so unless the Inch Creek Hatchery are introducing Pinks in the Stave, I don't think there is a run or I never heard of one.
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/articles/region_two/stave_river.html (http://www.fishingwithrod.com/articles/region_two/stave_river.html)
quote from above
" In odd years, pink salmon also return to the Stave River, but its return number is significantly lower than other Lower Fraser tributaries."
For pink fishing I would first recommend the tidal Fraser, then Vedder.
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I've seen spawned out pinks in the Stave but the numbers were a small fraction of typical chum returns. What may be going here is that pinks moving up the Fraser will enter the lower section of the Stave before proceeding farther upriver. They follow the same route they took as migratory fry which could drift in on a rising tide. Similar thing happens on the Harrison. Pinks bound up the Fraser move into the lower section well below the CPR bridge and mill about for a time before proceeding upstream.
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I fished the Mission Bar at Matsqui Trail Regional Park. The bar takes it's name from the Mission railway bridge which predates the creation of the park. This is a beautiful bar with room for a huge number of anglers (but not the parking which is a bit more limited). The bar has a gentle slope, not too muddy, not a lot of snags excepting the north end and a good current. The trees along the bank add shade which yesterday lasted until 11am It also helps the fishing!. It's a superb option for people in the GVRD and not too far to travel - just an hour for me from Burnaby/New West. Fishing was decent . I hooked 3 and landed 2. Most people close to me at least hooked a fish and several took one or more home.
(https://i.imgur.com/C4sTQQu.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/SNPe425.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Ja7W59A.jpg)
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After that checked out the bottom end of the Vedder from the cottonwoods to the Canal, It is grim. Water is very low. There is a shallow riffled downstream of the Vedder/Sumas confluence. I saw very few fish & very little holding water. Still the flossing/snagging social clubs have set up their angler picket fences. sights like these make me think we need pay per day access structure on some of our overwhelmingly popular streams. Wished I had stayed at the Mission Bar.
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Thanks for the report Ralph and good looking fish!
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Still the flossing/snagging social clubs have set up their angler picket fences. sights like these make me think we need pay per day access structure on some of our overwhelmingly popular streams.
I would welcome that change.
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"we need pay per day access structure on some of our overwhelmingly popular streams."
Good luck with that....
At least it's an idea.....
However, just like everything else that has fuelled inflation/capitalism, there are those (majority being offshore immigrants??? IMHO) that will pay "ANYTHING FOR EVERYTHING" cuz they are multi-millionaires after they get here....adding to and perpetuating the endless rocketing, astronomically rising prices and rampant inflationary costs.....it'll just be the "old boy's club", exclusive to a specific segment "country club atmosphere" now in full effect at ANY of your local golf courses and/or real estate sectors, for example.....they even somehow hack the online booking systems making it virtually impossible for most pioneering residents to even have a remote sniff at even getting on the courses they grew up on...not fiction.
I've already stated this on another forum....and I've witnessed it over the many decades in this out of control inflated Vancouver Metro....unfortunately I believe it will only get worse from here
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Keep the the Fraser open and close the Vedder until and if we get much needed rain to increase water levels.
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sights like these make me think we need pay per day access structure on some of our overwhelmingly popular streams.
Where is the face palm emoji?
Just when I think you have come to the place where you cannot hate the sporties any worse than you do....you go and raise the bar again.
You are unbelievable.....and not in a good way.
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However, just like everything else that has fuelled inflation/capitalism, there are those (majority being offshore immigrants??? IMHO) that will pay "ANYTHING FOR EVERYTHING"
Exactly what has caused over populated fishing areas, and everything else, campsites, beaches, vehicles cost, you name it and this is the main contributing factor. 500,000 a year coming.... What a brilliant plan....
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"offshore immigrants", "pioneering residents".... wow this post really took a turn. We are basically the cause of all your problems.
Vancouver area is one of the most desirable places to live on earth - just get over it. Everybody here except for the FNs are immigrants, one way or another. The fact that your ancestors came here earlier doesn't give you any special rights. Have you ever heard the term All humans are equal in front of god? I'm not religious but it's damn true
Ralph touched the issue of overcrowding on certain streams which is very real, and if there is nothing done to fix it, then some fisheries will ruined for everybody. For one you all should learn something from the Fraser Pink fishery and that is that even though is overcrowded, everyone is having fun and respecting each other. Maybe what's ruining it are you attitudes
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Everybody here except for the FNs are immigrants, one way or another.
I know that. But at some point its time to close the door....
Happy pink fishing.
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LOL. I kind of expected some reaction to my off the cuff emotionally driven remark. I just looked at a dozen or more anglers virtually shoulder to shoulder in 40 foot linear space repeatedly casting for an entire day at some small number of pink salmon that won't move in high light low water conditions and wondered could there be a better way? Particularly for the fish! I have no expectation of such a system being instituted in the future though if angling is ever outlawed altogether those survivors who fished up to that point may have similar wistful thoughts as I shared.
I don't hate sport fishers, far from it. However I have come across some both in person and on line that I dislike. That's only natural in human affairs. I do have a healthy respect for the moderately or better reasoned opinions of others even though I may disagree. Those who embark upon the rage-a-thon I do my best to ignore.
BTW there are limited entry fisheries (at least one) in BC and this is more common in Hunting. The fees are fixed and entry is awarded by lottery via a limited entry draw. No favors for billionaires there.
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LOL. I kind of expected some reaction to my off the cuff emotionally driven remark. I just looked at a dozen or more anglers virtually shoulder to shoulder in 40 foot linear space repeatedly casting for an entire day at some small number of pink salmon that won't move in high light low water conditions and wondered could there be a better way? Particularly for the fish! I have no expectation of such a system being instituted in the future though if angling is ever outlawed altogether those survivors who fished up to that point may have similar wistful thoughts as I shared.
I don't hate sport fishers, far from it. However I have come across some both in person and on line that I dislike. That's only natural in human affairs. I do have a healthy respect for the moderately or better reasoned opinions of others even though I may disagree. Those who embark upon the rage-a-thon I do my best to ignore.
BTW there are limited entry fisheries (at least one) in BC and this is more common in Hunting. The fees are fixed and entry is awarded by lottery via a limited entry draw. No favors for billionaires there.
that Limited entry fishery is only for out of province fishers (Dean River). I agree we should have Limited Entry fishing opportunities. But we don't have a tenth of the staff needed to patrol that.
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that Limited entry fishery is only for out of province fishers (Dean River). I agree we should have Limited Entry fishing opportunities. But we don't have a tenth of the staff needed to patrol that.
non resident aliens meaning people who are not residents of Canada. New Brunswick and Newfoundland restrict entry for salmon fishing to residents of those Provinces. Non residents are required to hire a guide.
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I agree we should have Limited Entry fishing opportunities.
Trust me. You don't want to go down this road.
Do some research on who gets to fish and who doesn't get to fish the premium streams in some countries in Europe....and you'll never suggest this again.
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I know that. But at some point its time to close the door....
Happy pink fishing.
Agreed.
Bring in 500k a year, but only build enough new housing for 200k a year.
It's just math....something our useless braindead PM failed miserably....but it's kind of sad watching him scratch his head grasping to find an answer when the opposition asks him to explain why housing costs are so high.
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(https://i.imgur.com/C4sTQQu.jpg)
The reason Ralph is in the top percentile of fishermen is not his ability to catch....it's because of the burlap. Hats off Ralph, I thought I was the only one. I'll recognize you now when I see someone else using them on the river. I got mine from a coffee shop in east van about 25 years ago. Best fishing accessory ever. Just for old timers.
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Best fishing accessory ever. Just for old timers.
Agreed. People always ask me if I will sell my extra one to them when I'm on the river. Good burlap sacs are hard to find these days.
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that Limited entry fishery is only for out of province fishers (Dean River). I agree we should have Limited Entry fishing opportunities. But we don't have a tenth of the staff needed to patrol that.
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we have had them before on the Capilano for summer run coho. the number of anglers allowed to fish from the fitt bridge t o the end of the cable pool and them from the end of the Cable pool to the bridge below the Dog's leg. This was back in the late 1970's.
Work so well it was never brought back.
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we have had them before on the Capilano for summer run coho. the number of anglers allowed to fish from the fitt bridge t o the end of the cable pool and them from the end of the Cable pool to the bridge below the Dog's leg. This was back in the late 1970's.
Work so well it was never brought back.
oh I did not know that. Was it just that nobody followed the rules?
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Trust me. You don't want to go down this road.
Do some research on who gets to fish and who doesn't get to fish the premium streams in some countries in Europe....and you'll never suggest this again.
yea I have heard of some streams in Scotland or something like that where you can only fish 2 weeks a year and only like 20 people or something get to fish it. Doesn't mean we couldn't do a better job here. Limited entry hunting has been pretty successful.
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Agreed.
Bring in 500k a year, but only build enough new housing for 200k a year.
It's just math....something our useless braindead PM failed miserably....but it's kind of sad watching him scratch his head grasping to find an answer when the opposition asks him to explain why housing costs are so high.
Well I know our pm went to McGill, and did well in math? Did you take university math? Calculus perhaps at a school that’s consistently rated internationally in the top 50?
I just love hearing from all the geniuses calling the pm dumb then writing sentences connected with ….
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Trust me. You don't want to go down this road.
Do some research on who gets to fish and who doesn't get to fish the premium streams in some countries in Europe....and you'll never suggest this again
"Trust me", there's irony.
Models suggested for pay for access in North America don't rely on the tenure system that was once common in Europe. as I said above it would be access via draws by people who apply to fish and they pay a fee. In much of Europe control of specific fisheries has passed to non-profit associations & angling clubs. Rates vary widely by the specific fishery and time of season.
Again I don't think such a system is coming here. End of discussion.
Comments I will make on Federal Politics I'll make in the discussion on the next Federal election.
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Trust me. You don't want to go down this road.
Do some research on who gets to fish and who doesn't get to fish the premium streams in some countries in Europe....and you'll never suggest this again.
Limited entry for some fisheries is probably the only way forward. Either that or zero fishery.
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Agreed. People always ask me if I will sell my extra one to them when I'm on the river. Good burlap sacs are hard to find these days.
in the 90s we would buy them at Pitt Meadows Co Op co op for 2 bucks.
worked great but esp pinks make them get funky fast
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in the 90s we would buy them at Pitt Meadows Co Op co op for 2 bucks.
worked great but esp pinks make them get funky fast
that's where I got mine. Some garden shops carry burlap in sheets or on rolls.
A large white cotton cloth or pillow case works as well, just keep it moist. Keep in shade if possible. FWIW i cleaned my fish after catching and transferred to a cooler with freezer packs in the car ASAP. when walking into some locations I've carried freezer packs in a lugable soft cooler, cleaned any fish I caught and then put a pack in the burlap sack with the fish.
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Keep in shade if possible. FWIW i cleaned my fish after catching and transferred to a cooler with freezer packs in the car ASAP. when walking into some locations I've carried freezer packs in a lugable soft cooler, cleaned any fish I caught and then put a pack in the burlap sack with the fish.
Yeah, even moreso when the pink fishery is happening, but you really do have to take care of pinks. I find they deteriorate the fastest of all the 5 types. Not sure if it's the fish or the summer heat. Hard to transfer fish to cooler bag neatly when bite is on, though a there hasn't been much of a sustained bite for me this season. More one and done, or one and wait hours before another bite this year both at Furry and on the Fraser.
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Agreed. People always ask me if I will sell my extra one to them when I'm on the river. Good burlap sacs are hard to find these days.
You can get them from plumbing suppliers when they have the burlap ones. You can call and ask. They are switching over to plastic mess now so call around
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I never catch enough fish to worry about keeping them fresh at the river. I usually clean it right away, stick it in a plastic bag and head home.
I see a few guys put the bonked fish on a rope stringer (through the mouth and gills and secured to shore), and toss the whole fish back into the river to keep cool. Once they are finished fishing, they pull the fish out of the water and clean them before going home.
I am done for the season. Flying out to Portugal tomorrow for vacation. I fished a couple hours every day Sept 1 - 10, usually incoming tide. 4 fish landed from 7 hooked. Average about $7.50 per fish based on price of license. Prior to the season, I bought three pinks from Costco for 24 bucks for average cost about $8 each.
Enjoy the rest of your pink season.
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I don't enjoy the flavour of Pink Salmon. Way too mild for me.
Coho season soon though.... so that is pretty exciting.
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Lee Valley used to have big
burlap sacks for a buck.
Ill stop by tomorrow and have a look.
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is a 5/8 ounce spoon too big for pinks?
also what is with the burlap sacks? ???
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old fashioned bags for potatoes.
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is a 5/8 ounce spoon too big for pinks?
also what is with the burlap sacks? ???
Nope, I throw at them 3/4 ounce spoon or 1 ounce buzzbomb attached with with 2.5” hoochie, they bite anything in front of them……salmon and trout can take on smaller fish 1/3 of their body length
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Sorry for digressing but on the topic of limited entry fishing for certain streams, does anyone know why is not that common the "Fly Fishing only" rules? I find it works really well on busy island rivers like the Campbell River on pink season, where you have most of the gear and float fisherman below the confluence and upstream in the Fly Fishing only section is quieter. Wonder how would that pan out on certain busy LM rivers
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Lee Valley used to have big
burlap sacks for a buck.
Ill stop by tomorrow and have a look.
that username, dick cranium lol
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Sorry for digressing but on the topic of limited entry fishing for certain streams, does anyone know why is not that common the "Fly Fishing only" rules? I find it works really well on busy island rivers like the Campbell River on pink season, where you have most of the gear and float fisherman below the confluence and upstream in the Fly Fishing only section is quieter. Wonder how would that pan out on certain busy LM rivers
Fly fishing only above the highway 1 bridge on the vedder... Thats a change I could support...,
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went out for an hour and half, completely decimated by a girl in swimsuit who couldn’t even cast more than 30ft with probably a walmart rod…she was standing where the water was up to her chest and getting hookups for every 3 or 5 cast and landed 3…meanwhile I lost 5 and snagged one…looking down at my $3000+ rods and reels I was like wtf am i doing here… and quietly packed up…end of fraser pink for me
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went out for an hour and half, completely decimated by a girl in swimsuit who couldn’t even cast more than 30ft with probably a walmart rod…she was standing where the water was up to her chest and getting hookups for every 3 or 5 cast and landed 3…meanwhile I lost 5 and snagged one…looking down at my $3000+ rods and reels I was like wtf am i doing here… and quietly packed up…end of fraser pink for me
what are your rod and reel?
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went out for an hour and half, completely decimated by a girl in swimsuit who couldn’t even cast more than 30ft with probably a walmart rod…she was standing where the water was up to her chest and getting hookups for every 3 or 5 cast and landed 3…meanwhile I lost 5 and snagged one…looking down at my $3000+ rods and reels I was like wtf am i doing here… and quietly packed up…end of fraser pink for me
Ive seen many people around me hooking into pinks, while im just casting around ::) Thought it was my lure selection, or it truly is a luck based fishery.
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Lee valley still has burlap sack.
By donation.
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old fashioned bags for potatoes.
Are they special in any way, or is it because potato bags are cool ;D
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went out for an hour and half, completely decimated by a girl in swimsuit who couldn’t even cast more than 30ft with probably a walmart rod…she was standing where the water was up to her chest and getting hookups for every 3 or 5 cast and landed 3…meanwhile I lost 5 and snagged one…looking down at my $3000+ rods and reels I was like wtf am i doing here… and quietly packed up…end of fraser pink for me
Sounds like my pink fishing :/
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Sorry for digressing but on the topic of limited entry fishing for certain streams, does anyone know why is not that common the "Fly Fishing only" rules? I find it works really well on busy island rivers like the Campbell River on pink season, where you have most of the gear and float fisherman below the confluence and upstream in the Fly Fishing only section is quieter. Wonder how would that pan out on certain busy LM rivers
there were more FF only waters some years back but these were deleted partly to simplify the regs, equalize access and because some of those waters didn't attract much attention from Fly anglers, possibly because they weren't that carefully selected.
FF only always do attract the ire of some organized user groups so in most cases either artificial lures only regs or artificial fly only (which allows yarns ties) seem to be preferred.
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what are your rod and reel?
2018 Stella C3000DHHG paired with Yamaga Blanks TZ 9’3”
2022 Stella 3000MHG paired with Shimano Exsence Infiniti 10’
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Ive seen many people around me hooking into pinks, while im just casting around ::) Thought it was my lure selection, or it truly is a luck based fishery.
more of luck based I guess…tried everything… the guy next to me was landed 3 with tasmanian devil, I lost 3 with the same lure😂on a good day I could land 5 or 6 with the same set up at the same spot within 30mins….but today was pure misery
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There is some skill involved in this fishery. May be 35% technique and 65% luck.
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There is some skill involved in this fishery. May be 35% technique and 65% luck.
Agreed.
If someone who is among others but is able to catch more even though they are basically using same lure, there has to be something more than luck at play.
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That inconsistency of success is a common complaint and has been going back 50+ years in my experience. There has been a lot of speculation particularly on exact location and the ephemeral nature of the bar structure. Specific locations can be very important for what ever reason. I fished beside my father on what's now called Derby Reach and an early October day. With perhaps 100 rods in the water he caught 4 coho jacks while only one other fish was taken all day. There was nothing special about the bait. He used dew worms. Many anglers cast too far out. Fish are often quite close in. The common advice was to cast 30 to 50 feet. Casting 100 feet means your offering may spend more than half the time too far away from the fish traveling lanes. Pinks are lazy swimmers and stay close to shore if they can. Yesterday on a bar above Chilliwack the fish were in the shallow water, clear of strong currents just 10 to 30 feet from shore. Other advice for spin casting is pay attention to the speed of your retrieve. Slower is better, especially with pinks. It also keeps you lure in the strike zone longer. Casting slightly downstream also helps as it gives the lure a bit more action and allows a slower retrieve If someone near you is having luck and you're not pay attention to what they may be doing differently & copy them.
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That inconsistency of success is a common complaint and has been going back 50+ years in my experience. There has been a lot of speculation particularly on exact location and the ephemeral nature of the bar structure. Specific locations can be very important for what ever reason. I fished beside my father on what's now called Derby Reach and an early October day. With perhaps 100 rods in the water he caught 4 coho jacks while only one other fish was taken all day. There was nothing special about the bait. He used dew worms. Many anglers cast too far out. Fish are often quite close in. The common advice was to cast 30 to 50 feet. Casting 100 feet means your offering may spend more than half the time too far away from the fish traveling lanes. Pinks are lazy swimmers and stay close to shore if they can. Yesterday on a bar above Chilliwack the fish were in the shallow water, clear of strong currents just 10 to 30 feet from shore. Other advice for spin casting is pay attention to the speed of your retrieve. Slower is better, especially with pinks. It also keeps you lure in the strike zone longer. Casting slightly downstream also helps as it gives the lure a bit more action and allows a slower retrieve If someone near you is having luck and you're not pay attention to what they may be doing differently & copy them.
Depends on current, cast upstream allows the lure to sink deeper to the strike zoom.
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Depends on current, cast upstream allows the lure to sink deeper to the strike zoom.
After switching to 15 lb mono bumper I have had much better success. Much less line abrasion, almost perfect land ratio. I started checking my hooks sharpness regularly. Slow retrieves with Tasmanians has worked killer. Only time I lost fish yesterday is when I had my drag too loose. I found to hook almost all my fish when next to no fish were surfacing or jumping
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Depends on current, cast upstream allows the lure to sink deeper to the strike zoom.
often the fish are in water less than 6 feet or even 3. You don't want you offering to sink as it should be above them so they see it. some folks do think that retrieving a lure or fly from below the fish upstream past their line of sight can spook them so too much angle downstream may be counter productive.
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Thanks Ralph for the info, that is exactly what I have observed too....and tide plays a big role - where the fish might hangout / travel
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After switching to 15 lb mono bumper
Whats a bumper?
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After switching to 15 lb mono bumper I have had much better success. Much less line abrasion, almost perfect land ratio. I started checking my hooks sharpness regularly. Slow retrieves with Tasmanians has worked killer. Only time I lost fish yesterday is when I had my drag too loose. I found to hook almost all my fish when next to no fish were surfacing or jumping
30lb mono is what I use
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Whats a bumper?
that thing in front of your car ;)
its just a mono connection to mainline braid so your lure is tied to mono rather than braid
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that thing in front of your car ;)
its just a mono connection to mainline braid so your lure is tied to mono rather than braid
Haha, us dinosaurs call it a "leader".
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dennisK +++ This woolly mammoth agrees.
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Escapement Target Reached yesterday. It's all bonus now.
08-Sep 278,200 HA 4,872,900
09-Sep 249,400 HA 5,122,300
10-Sep 343,100 HA 5,465,400
11-Sep 619,400 HA 6,084,800
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Escapement Target Reached yesterday. It's all bonus now.
08-Sep 278,200 HA 4,872,900
09-Sep 249,400 HA 5,122,300
10-Sep 343,100 HA 5,465,400
11-Sep 619,400 HA 6,084,800
Looks like the commercial opening accurately reduced half of daily run size every day. The commercial opening closed on Sep 10th
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Looks like the commercial opening accurately reduced half of daily run size every day. The commercial opening closed on Sep 10th
May be, but there are natural factors determining the waves of fish migrating in a single day. Now the target has been reached, there may be new Commericial Openings.
Pink In-season Update
September 12, 2023
Current Trends – Mission Passage
• Second peak at Mission currently being observed
• Final run size will still depend heavily on what is left to come up the river, as the tail of the distribution can
be highly variable across years
• Current run size estimates based on Mission escapement to date plus seaward catch are just under 10
million (9.9 million)
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May be, but there are natural factors determining the waves of fish migrating in a single day. Now the target has been reached, there may be new Commericial Openings.
there is very small participation from the commercial fleet, Area B chose to fish with very few boats to try to maximize the catch.(2-3) There has only been about 300k area B commercial catch, total catch from all sectors including USA is around 700k pinks so far. since pinks are almost worthless. Bruce's market is selling them 20 bucks for 5 fish.
looks like the runsize has been reforcasted to 15,000,000 and could go down as low as 10 million
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With Costs so high, and Pinks so cheaply valued, I am surprised fishing for Pinks is even profitable.
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there is very small participation from the commercial fleet, Area B chose to fish with very few boats to try to maximize the catch.(2-3) There has only been about 300k area B commercial catch, total catch from all sectors including USA is around 700k pinks so far. since pinks are almost worthless. Bruce's market is selling them 20 bucks for 5 fish.
looks like the runsize has been reforcasted to 15,000,000 and could go down as low as 10 million
see my comments from a few days ago. If these were sockeye the reduction of an in season forecast by 50% would lead to accusations of rampant poaching and calls for an inquiry. There has always been a lot questions of how accurate the mission sonar fence is though they claim they are better at interpreting the results than a couple of decades ago. If the price of pinks were higher they could have massively over fished the run before it even got to the Fraser. It's kind of a dark science and more proof they need to as conservative as possible both in forecasting and in the size of the target escapement.
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that thing in front of your car ;)
its just a mono connection to mainline braid so your lure is tied to mono rather than braid
Other than a swivel, I'd never tie anything directly to braid. The fish can see it. Likewise with the leader; 10lb mono is more than adequate for pinks and coho.
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With Costs so high, and Pinks so cheaply valued, I am surprised fishing for Pinks is even profitable.
one Tasmanian lure cost as much as two pink salmon from grocery store.
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one Tasmanian lure cost as much as two pink salmon from grocery store.
I'd still rather buy the lure. Although for next time I will gladly order 10 online for half the price.
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one Tasmanian lure cost as much as two pink salmon from grocery store.
LOL
Read this a hour ago and its still making me laugh....
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They'll take any lure. I talked to a guy limiting out on home-made spinners. He does metal work and can make anything very cheaply. He out fishes most people on the river with it.
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Do any of us go out for fishing with ROI in mind? Lol
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That inconsistency of success is a common complaint and has been going back 50+ years in my experience. There has been a lot of speculation particularly on exact location and the ephemeral nature of the bar structure. Specific locations can be very important for what ever reason. I fished beside my father on what's now called Derby Reach and an early October day. With perhaps 100 rods in the water he caught 4 coho jacks while only one other fish was taken all day. There was nothing special about the bait. He used dew worms. Many anglers cast too far out. Fish are often quite close in. The common advice was to cast 30 to 50 feet. Casting 100 feet means your offering may spend more than half the time too far away from the fish traveling lanes. Pinks are lazy swimmers and stay close to shore if they can. Yesterday on a bar above Chilliwack the fish were in the shallow water, clear of strong currents just 10 to 30 feet from shore. Other advice for spin casting is pay attention to the speed of your retrieve. Slower is better, especially with pinks. It also keeps you lure in the strike zone longer. Casting slightly downstream also helps as it gives the lure a bit more action and allows a slower retrieve If someone near you is having luck and you're not pay attention to what they may be doing differently & copy them.
Thanks for sharing the knowledge…went out for another hour and half this morning, claimed my redemption and lucked out 4 beautiful female fish (2 of them over 55cm), at the same spot……it’s so much more than cast and retrieve. got to understand the structure of the spot, let the lure drop, find the bottom, know the pots under the water, slow retrieve, got to have some action with the lure but not too much because pinks don’t chase it the way coho does…
Btw, I’ve been using 5lb power pro braid as mainline connected to 12lb seaguar invizx with FG knot, safe to say it’s more than enough to handle pinks…
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Thanks for sharing the knowledge…went out for another hour and half this morning, claimed my redemption and lucked out 4 beautiful female fish (2 of them over 55cm), at the same spot……it’s so much more than cast and retrieve. got to understand the structure of the spot, let the lure drop, find the bottom, know the pots under the water, slow retrieve, got to have some action with the lure but not too much because pinks don’t chase it the way coho does…
Btw, I’ve been using 5lb power pro braid as mainline connected to 12lb seaguar invizx with FG knot, safe to say it’s more than enough to handle pinks…
5lb? I am guessing you meant 15.
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Do any of us go out for fishing with ROI in mind? Lol
Out fishing your buddies, Priceless.
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5lb? I am guessing you meant 15.
Probably 50 lb. Do they make 15 lb. braid ?
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5lb? I am guessing you meant 15.
yes, 5lb, not 15lb, with FG knot, easiest way to boost casting distance…
watched some test on youtube that 10lb power pro braid with FG knot has 20lb breaking point strength, so I figured 5lb should be enough for pinks and tested it, works well.
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That inconsistency of success is a common complaint and has been going back 50+ years in my experience. There has been a lot of speculation particularly on exact location and the ephemeral nature of the bar structure. Specific locations can be very important for what ever reason. I fished beside my father on what's now called Derby Reach and an early October day. With perhaps 100 rods in the water he caught 4 coho jacks while only one other fish was taken all day. There was nothing special about the bait. He used dew worms. Many anglers cast too far out. Fish are often quite close in. The common advice was to cast 30 to 50 feet. Casting 100 feet means your offering may spend more than half the time too far away from the fish traveling lanes. Pinks are lazy swimmers and stay close to shore if they can. Yesterday on a bar above Chilliwack the fish were in the shallow water, clear of strong currents just 10 to 30 feet from shore. Other advice for spin casting is pay attention to the speed of your retrieve. Slower is better, especially with pinks. It also keeps you lure in the strike zone longer. Casting slightly downstream also helps as it gives the lure a bit more action and allows a slower retrieve If someone near you is having luck and you're not pay attention to what they may be doing differently & copy them.
Ill be sure to keep that in mind, thanks ralph! ;)
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one Tasmanian lure cost as much as two pink salmon from grocery store.
How much are pinks worth from the grocery store?
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Is it even a good option to fish at the Vedder right now? I personally thing that the gov should close it until the water levels raise....
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Is it even a good option to fish at the Vedder right now? I personally thing that the gov should close it until the water levels raise....
I hear theres lots of people, yet the fishing is slow. Ill probably head to the vedder once tidal pinks are closed.
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After switching to 15 lb mono bumper I have had much better success. Much less line abrasion, almost perfect land ratio. I started checking my hooks sharpness regularly. Slow retrieves with Tasmanians has worked killer. Only time I lost fish yesterday is when I had my drag too loose. I found to hook almost all my fish when next to no fish were surfacing or jumping
Tazzies are the real deal. I’ve used spinners, spoons,wedding bands, hoochies. You name it. It’s not even close.
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Also be aware that there are good numbers of interior coho in the Fraser now. I hooked three of them in a short span today. gently released of course.
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yes, 5lb, not 15lb, with FG knot, easiest way to boost casting distance…
watched some test on youtube that 10lb power pro braid with FG knot has 20lb breaking point strength, so I figured 5lb should be enough for pinks and tested it, works well.
How does the 5lb braid work on snag or rock edges? one touch your valuable lure is gone.
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How does the 5lb braid work on snag or rock edges? one touch your valuable lure is gone.
Snagged off two lures on logs so far, in those situations even 50lb mainline wouldn’t be able to save them…haven’t had any issue with rocks yet
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Tazzies are the real deal. I’ve used spinners, spoons,wedding bands, hoochies. You name it. It’s not even close.
agreed. I will do some testing for coho and chinook this vedder season and also for river trout but I may end up selling 90% of my lures and order a bunch of tazzies.
Man this past week has been weird. Some days 3 fish all in an hour. Some days 1. Today I got one second cast and nothing after
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I don’t believe in secret lures…but I’ll still be buying a couple of Tassies in 2025😀
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I don’t believe in secret lures…but I’ll still be buying a couple of Tassies in 2025😀
That dam thing is magic. I only have a metallic blue one. caught pink every time, anywhere.
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how can a lure that's been around for 40 years be a secret? :)
When I first saw it I thought it was a kids toy.
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agreed. I will do some testing for coho and chinook this vedder season and also for river trout but I may end up selling 90% of my lures and order a bunch of tazzies.
Man this past week has been weird. Some days 3 fish all in an hour. Some days 1. Today I got one second cast and nothing after
I can attest to the fact that they work very well on coho!
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I can attest to the fact that they work very well on coho!
I've heard aswell, dam a chartreuse or blue one would be killerrr.
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I've heard aswell, dam a chartreuse or blue one would be killerrr.
The 7gram chartreuse in slow/ frog water is pretty damn effective on coho.
For me I've been tossing the small 7gram pink luminous at Ambleside with amazing results, a pain to cast but with 12lb fluro leader, thin braid and a light breeze these things catch air and sail.
Fraser on the opening week at first light the 7gram worked like fire but during the afternoon or evening bite they seem to want the larger 14gram size more.
A little bird told me that they will be getting another shipment some time this week. :-X "A small shipment"
And for anyone wondering only the Cambie and 6th location carries Tas-lures, the other Can-Tire locations don't and I am unsure if they will be getting them in the future.
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Also be aware that there are good numbers of interior coho in the Fraser now. I hooked three of them in a short span today. gently released of course.
Bump this very important message to those enjoying the pinks in the Fraser system. Each year we have a pink or even sockeye fishery that runs into mid/late September there are many mis identified coho being harvested.
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Went out for an hour this morning around maple ridge area. Didn't see any fish rise and didn't get a nibble. Hope others had better luck.
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The 7gram chartreuse in slow/ frog water is pretty damn effective on coho.
For me I've been tossing the small 7gram pink luminous at Ambleside with amazing results, a pain to cast but with 12lb fluro leader, thin braid and a light breeze these things catch air and sail.
Fraser on the opening week at first light the 7gram worked like fire but during the afternoon or evening bite they seem to want the larger 14gram size more.
A little bird told me that they will be getting another shipment some time this week. :-X "A small shipment"
And for anyone wondering only the Cambie and 6th location carries Tas-lures, the other Can-Tire locations don't and I am unsure if they will be getting them in the future.
the Can-Tire on Cambie is going totally against Corp policy carrying these lures that's why other stores don't have them.
Local distribution received an order yesterday and sold out of the "pink" colours within hours. They still have other Coho catching colours in both 7gr & 14gr in stock.
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how can a lure that's been around for 40 years be a secret? :)
When I first saw it I thought it was a kids toy.
Many companies over the years have tried to sell Tassie Devils into the Canadian and failed. Tackle shops never purchased many if any and anglers never bought them when shops brought them in. Funny how out of almost nowhere they are a "must have" lure this year for pink salmon which will most likely transition into a coho & trout lure. Still next to no one using them on Vancouver Island. It's really just a lower mainland thing right now at this point
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I've heard aswell, dam a chartreuse or blue one would be killerrr.
Searun tackle now carries a wide range of colours in the 2 sizes available. Local tackle distributors now carry 14 different colours in 2 sizes. Where ever you shop can get them quickly for you.
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Many companies over the years have tried to sell Tassie Devils into the Canadian and failed. Tackle shops never purchased many if any and anglers never bought them when shops brought them in. Funny how out of almost nowhere they are a "must have" lure this year for pink salmon which will most likely transition into a coho & trout lure. Still next to no one using them on Vancouver Island. It's really just a lower mainland thing right now at this point
Where is this local distribution, May I ask
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Surrey BC, why?
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I will not be buying 9$ a piece anymore when I can buy in bulk from China for half the price, buy any color I wish and any size.
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Many companies over the years have tried to sell Tassie Devils into the Canadian and failed. Tackle shops never purchased many if any and anglers never bought them when shops brought them in. Funny how out of almost nowhere they are a "must have" lure this year for pink salmon which will most likely transition into a coho & trout lure. Still next to no one using them on Vancouver Island. It's really just a lower mainland thing right now at this point
it's similar to the buzz bomb though that is made out brittle metal but it's patented.
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Many companies over the years have tried to sell Tassie Devils into the Canadian and failed. Tackle shops never purchased many if any and anglers never bought them when shops brought them in. Funny how out of almost nowhere they are a "must have" lure this year for pink salmon which will most likely transition into a coho & trout lure. Still next to no one using them on Vancouver Island. It's really just a lower mainland thing right now at this point
Reminds me of the soft bead craze that started a few years ago. Soft beads were around for many years mostly used by our neighbors down south but now it has really taken off
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Wedding bands working pretty well too…
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I like to fish vintage....
(https://www.picclickimg.com/K8IAAOSw15hkBQnl/Vintage-Minser-Lucky-Louie-4-salmon-plug.webp)
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I will not be buying 9$ a piece anymore when I can buy in bulk from China for half the price, buy any color I wish and any size.
You got 2 years to stock up
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Reminds me of the soft bead craze that started a few years ago. Soft beads were around for many years mostly used by our neighbors down south but now it has really taken off
Soft Beads have been around for many decades and used lots in BC. At least since the 1960's.
They are called Jensen Eggs. lol
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Soft Beads have been around for many decades and used lots in BC. At least since the 1960's.
They are called Jensen Eggs. lol
No kidding lol. I still have a pile of original jensen eggs before they were discontinued, I have a stock of soft plastic single eggs and clusters a member off this board made for me around 10 years ago. I only used them for steelhead, last year was the first for fall salmon.
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Soft Beads have been around for many decades and used lots in BC. At least since the 1960's.
They are called Jensen Eggs. lol
Jensen eggs are a bit different from the honking golf ball sized beads we use today. We never pegged Jensen eggs above the hook like we do with beads like the BNR’s etc.. I’ve fished my fair share of Jensens with a small tuft of wool for steelies but rarely did I use them for salmon. These new beads have for some taken over from roe use.
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Are the BNR soft beads scented? Can they be used where there is a bait ban? Does anyone know?
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Are the BNR soft beads scented? Can they be used where there is a bait ban? Does anyone know?
They have a smell of chemical but not scented particularly as "roe" or "shrimp".....i have seen people dipping them over night in roe juice......and definitely can be used in areas with bait ban, its fully artificial.....they will definitely work where there is a flow and not in slack water
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Are the BNR soft beads scented? Can they be used where there is a bait ban? Does anyone know?
unscented, used all over
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Jensen eggs are a bit different from the honking golf ball sized beads we use today. We never pegged Jensen eggs above the hook like we do with beads like the BNR’s etc.. I’ve fished my fair share of Jensens with a small tuft of wool for steelies but rarely did I use them for salmon. These new beads have for some taken over from roe use.
I always put a Jensen egg above my hook right from the first time i used them, maybe that was just me and the guys I fish with.
There were 3 sizes and the "Fat Freddies" where pretty big, can't remember if the were a 16mm or 20mm size or not but once you wanted something that big you just switched to a Gooey Bob in one of 3 sizes. Yes they only came in 5-6 colours which is the biggest difference. Agree on the take over from roe use for sure.
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For those looking for Tasmanian Devils High Water in North Van has them.
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Is it time to start worrying about the Vedder Pinks? I haven't seen much compared to prior years. Hopefully they are all hiding in the day time and migrating through at night and not wiped out by the big floods of 2021.
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the Can-Tire on Cambie is going totally against Corp policy carrying these lures that's why other stores don't have them.
Local distribution received an order yesterday and sold out of the "pink" colours within hours. They still have other Coho catching colours in both 7gr & 14gr in stock.
How? you got proof of this cause most Can-Tires carry different items per store, everything needs to be run by management and needs approval. If it was "Against policy" they have almost several months to do something about it.
Different stores, different management, and ect ect. "That's why other stores don't have them."
Many places have tried to sell Tassie's? 2013 these things have been used around here, I have never seen any shop or anyone carry them, only that one dude at Furry Creek who sold them, I have only seen one shop carry a small number of them in the past.
Either they never tried to make the effort or are scared of change/ something new, "IF" what you say is true then what stores carried them in the past? cause most shops I know have never carried them until this year.
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How? you got proof of this cause most Can-Tires carry different items per store, everything needs to be run by management and needs approval. If it was "Against policy" they have almost several months to do something about it.
Different stores, different management, and ect ect. "That's why other stores don't have them."
Many places have tried to sell Tassie's? 2013 these things have been used around here, I have never seen any shop or anyone carry them, only that one dude at Furry Creek who sold them, I have only seen one shop carry a small number of them in the past.
Either they never tried to make the effort or are scared of change/ something new, "IF" what you say is true then what stores carried them in the past? cause most shops I know have never carried them until this year.
1) yup, I got proof. Putting it online here,? Not a chance. But Can-Tires have a set list of items called Equity, a second list called Pro-shop and finally a third list called FMA. That is how individual stores get different looks.
2) A company called Redl Sports tried to sell them to stores in the late 1980's to dealers with very kittle success then a company called Breck's had the Canadian rights for Wigston Tasmanian Devils in the 1990's and gave it a go. Gave it up due to lack of sales. Now a company called Pradco has the north American rights to Wigston Tasmanian Devils. They have been available in the market place for many years and until now most dealers haven't purchased.
of course you remember Tad's or Bob's Or West Coast Tackle or 3 Vet's or Patch's or Gill's or Jaymers, or Riverside, Castaway, Perfection, Gord's Tackle box, Rumble's, Greenwood's, Skip's, Wanstall's when they had tackle, Outdoors Unlimited, need I go on. Been lots of shops and stores over the years that have tried a pile of tackle that never caught on.
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1) yup, I got proof. Putting it online here,? Not a chance. But Can-Tires have a set list of items called Equity, a second list called Pro-shop and finally a third list called FMA. That is how individual stores get different looks.
2) A company called Redl Sports tried to sell them to stores in the late 1980's to dealers with very kittle success then a company called Breck's had the Canadian rights for Wigston Tasmanian Devils in the 1990's and gave it a go. Gave it up due to lack of sales. Now a company called Pradco has the north American rights to Wigston Tasmanian Devils. They have been available in the market place for many years and until now most dealers haven't purchased.
of course you remember Tad's or Bob's Or West Coast Tackle or 3 Vet's or Patch's or Gill's or Jaymers, or Riverside, Castaway, Perfection, Gord's Tackle box, Rumble's, Greenwood's, Skip's, Wanstall's when they had tackle, Outdoors Unlimited, need I go on. Been lots of shops and stores over the years that have tried a pile of tackle that never caught on.
You can write a book of tackle history in BC. The lure is in good demand. it is time for someone to bring less expensive products.
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2) A company called Redl Sports tried to sell them to stores in the late 1980's to dealers with very kittle success then a company called Breck's had the Canadian rights for Wigston Tasmanian Devils in the 1990's and gave it a go. Gave it up due to lack of sales. Now a company called Pradco has the north American rights to Wigston Tasmanian Devils. They have been available in the market place for many years and until now most dealers haven't purchased.
of course you remember Tad's or Bob's Or West Coast Tackle or 3 Vet's or Patch's or Gill's or Jaymers, or Riverside, Castaway, Perfection, Gord's Tackle box, Rumble's, Greenwood's, Skip's, Wanstall's when they had tackle, Outdoors Unlimited, need I go on. Been lots of shops and stores over the years that have tried a pile of tackle that never caught on.
People seem a bit more into new tackle options now than back in the old days. So that might explain why they didn’t catch on in the 80s and 90s. Heck look how long it took for twitching jigs to catch on here just in the 2000s. Some of the old fellas still see this as a new tackle option.
It’s nice having more, different options now than even ten years ago. Brands and options like BnR, Prime Lures, Wingston and twitching jigs offer a whole different set of toys to play around with. Without the new tackle we’d all still only be tossing crocs, blue foxes and Jensen eggs. In many local systems, a coho could see dozens of blue foxes zoom past them in a matter of hours, so it’s fun to have different stuff. I get that it is exhausting hearing about taz devils right now all the time, but I look forward to the next craze (even if it has been in the market for 40 years). I hope more shops, companies and anglers continue to try and promote more “new” things.
How’s everyone’s Fraser pinks going?
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Seems like there is a new "secret" lure every year. Remember the gold and fluorescent red flatfish ? That was the "must have" lure for the Capilano cohos years ago. Army and Navy and Woodwards were all sold out of those flatfish when word got out.
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Seems like there is a new "secret" lure every year. Remember the gold and fluorescent red flatfish ? That was the "must have" lure for the Capilano cohos years ago. Army and Navy and Woodwards were all sold out of those flatfish when word got out.
Now im interested in that lure and try it out in Capilano :-D
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I'm waiting for pink and white wool to make a comeback :)
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Is it a good idea to even fish the vedder?
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Went out this morning after dropping my daughter off at school. Got to fraser at 10:00, 5 bites in an hour, lost all of them…..packed up and went for a scouting walk in Vedder canal, saw small school of pinks pushing up under the high noon with a couple chinook mixed…will go out to fraser again during the weekend, very limited opportunities on vedder still, yet already a bunch of snaggers setting their floats at 6ft in 2ft deep water and setting the hooks at the end of each short drift, disgusting…
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Reading tackle shop fishing reports. They sound very good. ;D
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Reading tackle shop fishing reports. They sound very good. ;D
went out briefly this morning, pretty good before the tide peaked, quite down after 8:30, should still be good tomorrow.
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Helped my buddy's kid catch and land his first salmon, we were pretty stoked. We let a female go and the folks around us gave us the WTH face LOL
(https://i.imgur.com/Uh6yJeQ.jpeg)
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Helped my buddy's kid catch and land his first salmon, we were pretty stoked. We let a female go and the folks around us gave us the WTH face LOL
(https://i.imgur.com/Uh6yJeQ.jpeg)
Excellent PHOTO!!!
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I heard Derby Reach is fishing well for Pinks. Tansmanium Devil lure is really producing there. People getting limits.
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Looks like a everybody catching fishing day! Enjoy the last day opening tomorrow!
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yes, 5lb, not 15lb, with FG knot, easiest way to boost casting distance…
watched some test on youtube that 10lb power pro braid with FG knot has 20lb breaking point strength, so I figured 5lb should be enough for pinks and tested it, works well.
Thanks for the FG knot tip. Works great. Not sure if this was the difference but I did pretty well on the Fraser today.
Also not sure about whether I will try using a weaker main line.
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Looks like a everybody catching fishing day! Enjoy the last day opening tomorrow!
Is tomorrow, 17th, the last day? I thought the notice said opening for Sept 1-18, so Monday the last day?
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Thanks for the FG knot tip. Works great. Not sure if this was the difference but I did pretty well on the Fraser today.
Also not sure about whether I will try using a weaker main line.
Not bad hey, I used to believe it’s super difficult to tie until I saw this video:
https://youtu.be/2Oa-v9yT13k?si=F6MCZ4kwd6Sexp6g
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Thanks for the FG knot tip. Works great. Not sure if this was the difference but I did pretty well on the Fraser today.
Also not sure about whether I will try using a weaker main line.
I use a swivel. knot the braid to swivel with a palomar knot and then the mono/floro with a improved clinch or trilene knot.
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I use a swivel. knot the braid to swivel with a palomar knot and then the mono/floro with a improved clinch or trilene knot.
I liked the FG knot because it passes through the rod guides during a cast without issue. It's more fuss than using a swivel, but for now it seems worth it.
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I use the PR knot
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A swivel has a bearing in the center and is meant to reduce line twist. A knot can't do that.
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Braid will twist up like a corkscrew if you don’t use a swivel to tie your leader onto the main line.
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Hooked 12 landed 5 today. Pretty nice day out, got to teach a guy how to fish which was nice.
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Is tomorrow, 17th, the last day? I thought the notice said opening for Sept 1-18, so Monday the last day?
It's open until an hour after sunset on the 18th.
I'll finally try to get out tomorrow morning for my first and only outing for Fraser pinks this run...sometimes life and their responsibilities don't allow for fishing
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Effective September 1, 2023 until September 18, 2023:
https://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=288829&ID=all
This means 1 more day Monday?
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Braid will twist up like a corkscrew if you don’t use a swivel to tie your leader onto the main line.
A swivel has a bearing in the center and is meant to reduce line twist. A knot can't do that.
I don't have an issue with line twist. Maybe because I use mostly spoons and buzz bombs. My last reel had same braid on it for several years without twisted line causing problems. I would also be surprised if the torque required to spin a swivel would be less than what is needed to twist braided line.
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Effective September 1, 2023 until September 18, 2023:
https://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=288829&ID=all
This means 1 more day Monday?
I would assume date ranges are inclusive because first day of fishing was Sept 1.
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Effective September 1, 2023 until September 18, 2023:
https://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=288829&ID=all
This means 1 more day Monday?
That's my interpretation. DFO could have avoided any confusion by the addition of one word: inclusive.
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it is inclusive you can fish tomorrow until midnight
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check to make sure the 1/2 hour before sunrise and sunset rule applies or not. I believes it applies to most of our local streams open to salmon fishing
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I don't have an issue with line twist. Maybe because I use mostly spoons and buzz bombs. My last reel had same braid on it for several years without twisted line causing problems. I would also be surprised if the torque required to spin a swivel would be less than what is needed to twist braided line.
Salt water anglers use FG knot for giants like bluefin tuna and marlin...they're not bothered with the twists on 100lb braid, why should we be bothered for much thinner lines below 20lb...I'm running 10ft leader (12lb seaguar invizx）on 5lb braid, never had any problem about line twisting, not even when I was using 15lb braid when I started gear fishing...also I don't use swivels on my spoons.
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Using spinners without a swivel will twist up your line. For me anyways
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I've missed most of this Tidal Fraser opening, but was determined to get one day in before it closes on Tuesday, so went back to where my dad and I used to fish since the mid 90s.
(https://i.imgur.com/JABprdh.jpg)
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Good for you Rodney. Your dad would be pleased.
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I've missed most of this Tidal Fraser opening, but was determined to get one day in before it closes on Tuesday, so went back to where my dad and I used to fish since the mid 90s.
Perfect.
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Hey, I left my black Patagonia sling bag this morning after giving a few new fishing guys some tassie lures on Dyke Road and 3rd fishing area in Richmond.
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=45060.0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kvo1-1sliwg
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Right on rod! It's been a phenomenal year for them so far! Shame it closes tonight. yesterday alone between me and leadbelly and another friend we had a couple triple headers and brought in dozens of fish.
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Good to hear everyone is catching fish. Such a great fishery.
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last night was bonkers and the few days before that good too
this mornings incoming tide was full of biters as well!
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I guess this thread can now be closed since the pink season has come to an end. ;)
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Went fishing this evening and at about sunset lucked into a school of pinks passing by. Landed 3 doe's.
On the way out I spoke to another fisher who said they had heard that dfo will be extending the pink opening for another 3 days. Anyone else hear this?
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I enjoyed the last day of pink fishing on my couch. ;D I’ve had the worst luck. This year. So I gave up hahahaha. Time to hang the fishing rod up and dust off the riffles :o
There be deer up in them hills :D
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Went fishing this evening and at about sunset lucked into a school of pinks passing by. Landed 3 doe's.
On the way out I spoke to another fisher who said they had heard that dfo will be extending the pink opening for another 3 days. Anyone else hear this?
I highly doubt that, we would know by now. Maybe he was talking about non tidal which is open until 21 i think
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It’s open above misson bridge
https://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=288803&ID=all
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the visible schools of pinks we saw last night on the inflow was jaw dropping
I've never seen them shoulder to shoulder in tight formation before it was nuts out there
sad that its over, but so much fun!
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The trend is increasing again. This is good for the later run rivers like the Vedder and Harrison.
198,800
202,900
240,400
291,700
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Thats awesome to hear! I'm glad our local rivers are seeing some fish despite the weather from 2 years ago.
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Went fishing this evening and at about sunset lucked into a school of pinks passing by. Landed 3 doe's.
On the way out I spoke to another fisher who said they had heard that dfo will be extending the pink opening for another 3 days. Anyone else hear this?
I didn't, but thanks for the heads up.
(https://i.imgur.com/XRpFYWZ.jpg)
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While no panel update has been posted on the PSC website (usually done tuesdays), the distribution package is available and it estimates there are still more than 5.5 million pinks seaward. My guess is most of these fish will be headed for the Fraser below Hope, Harrison & Chilliwack. Weather is looking good for this to happen in the next couple of weeks. I was on the vedder yesterday. Numbers of pinks are ok but either run will be small or the bulk is yet to come. Some Coho and springs are there. I was into both plus landed 1/2 dozen or so pinks. Fish came up early in the morning and stopped later in line with the tide change. Water is very low & fish are holding in a few small runs. Lots of flossing etc. As a note it seems to me while this has been a large return, average body mass is significantly smaller. I have caught a number in the 2 to 3lb range. Nothing of 5 and higher. My past experience was Fraser pinks were often 'cookie cutter fish' of 22 inches and 4lbs with some larger specimens of 6 to 7lbs.
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Found a commercial net tangled up in a log boom today. Chalked full of dead pinks and unfortunately some very nice Chinooks.
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Found a commercial net tangled up in a log boom today. Chalked full of dead pinks and unfortunately some very nice Chinooks.
One guess what nation it belongs to. Too drunk too stupid to remove it from the water. Just leave it because the water is theirs..
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maybe we need to get the log booms out of the river ;D
I checked out some formerly nice bars near POCO - all boomed over. The booms were even hi and dry in low water. Didn't get close enough to look for nets!
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maybe we need to get the log booms out of the river ;D
I checked out some formerly nice bars near POCO - all boomed over. The booms were even hi and dry in low water. Didn't get close enough to look for nets!
LOL, close all gas stations at the same time.
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Psst. Wanna buy some pink 13 gram Tassie Devils? I know a guy who knows another guy and that guy just got a shipment in. ::)
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LOL, close all gas stations at the same time.
that's gonna happen!
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maybe we need to get the log booms out of the river ;D
I checked out some formerly nice bars near POCO - all boomed over. The booms were even hi and dry in low water. Didn't get close enough to look for nets!
Leave the log booms! ;)
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No log booms means no lumber and no toilet paper ! 😬
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dry storage means less wood waste in the river.
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Land values and transportation costs are way too high for that unfortunately.
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So that raises the issue; do timber interests pay enough for log boom & sorting tenure? What do they pay?The Province survey's tenure costs annually but they are isn't easy to find.
Boom storage and log sorting have a number of negative impacts on fish and marine and riverine ecosystems:
https://www.marinescience.ca/salmon-seal-interactions/log-booms-2/
dry storage and sort does go on all across the Province & booming is only common on the coast. I saw piles of logs stored in Midway at the Vaagan sawmill site earlier this month. It's also has it risks such as fire.
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I just know specifically here in the lower Fraser land values are just too high for dry storage anywhere near the river. The logs can’t be left in the salt water at the dumps and sorts very long either or the bugs get in them and destroy the product and it doesn’t take long for that to happen. Part of the reason the booms come into the Fraser for storage is so the fresh water kills them.
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they could barge logs, and the end consumer would maybe see 1 cent per board foot increase,
the problems with log booms have been well documented and studied well and understood for over 60 years.
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It would take way too many barges to move the same volume of logs that are towed up river in a typical size log tow.
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And the other question is barge them to where ? There’s no dry land storage in lower Fraser.
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;D returning to the topic;
Escapement past mission is now over 9 million as of yesterday. Looks like 2023 will be an unplanned experiment on do high escapements result in high returns in the following cycle or is it the other way around.
Yesterday I walked the Harrison from Kilby Park to the mouth, casting flies and spoons. Didn't have a strike. Didn't see a pink. Very low effort underway there. Where are all the fish?
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I heard the water level there is very low ?
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;D returning to the topic;
Escapement past mission is now over 9 million as of yesterday. Looks like 2023 will be an unplanned experiment on do high escapements result in high returns in the following cycle or is it the other way around.
Yesterday I walked the Harrison from Kilby Park to the mouth, casting flies and spoons. Didn't have a strike. Didn't see a pink. Very low effort underway there. Where are all the fish?
I don't think the lower fraser is gonna have a good return of pinks, you were right i think most of these fish are distanced north of hells gate. The floods did have a big impact.
I am saying this because every pink i have caught has been in dime bright quality, where previous two cycles i was into big humpies. This year i swore i caught all females' and half ended up to be males. Only a couple had bit of a hump. Seems like there is not much of later run.
so was the return a bit "early" this year or is the later timed component of the run just very poor, kinda seems like the latter.
you were bang on with lots of your assessment Ralph
so ill leave you with this
“For there is assuredly nothing dearer to a man than wisdom, and though age takes away all else, it undoubtedly brings us that.”
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I don't think the lower fraser is gonna have a good return of pinks, you were right i think most of these fish are distanced north of hells gate. The floods did have a big impact.
I am saying this because every pink i have caught has been in dime bright quality, where previous two cycles i was into big humpies. This year i swore i caught all females' and half ended up to be males. Only a couple had bit of a hump. Seems like there is not much of later run.
so was the return a bit "early" this year or is the later timed component of the run just very poor, kinda seems like the latter.
you were bang on with lots of your assessment Ralph
so ill leave you with this
“For there is assuredly nothing dearer to a man than wisdom, and though age takes away all else, it undoubtedly brings us that.”
Usually in a pink year, the Vedder is plugged with pinks in the lower and carcasses begin to pile up on the shore. But not this year.
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lots of pinks passing by on the thompson when i was there. packs of 6 to 10 fish every 10 mins or so.
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I am noticing lower number of Vedder pinks as well. It's only open for another 8 days, so that will help the later pinks that come in. I haven't seen many big schools of Springs yet like last year either. The Springs I have seen were schooling with the pinks and stick out a lot.
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I went to the vedder on Tuesday in search or springs or coho and managed to land 14 pinks and lots one what I hope was a coho but who knows. Definitely not as many pinks as I've seen there before but there were quite a few. I also stopped at the confluence of the sumas and vedder and say 100s and 100s of fish swimming back and forth from there to the bridge. Maybe the water in the canal is too clear and low?
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I don't know man but today I must have seen a thousand pinks swim by within 2 hours in the pool I was fishing mid river. Not exaggerating.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_2zRIBnXpo
We went out on the last day of the opening between Hope and Mission.
(https://i.imgur.com/0980MF3.jpg)
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That is a great photo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_2zRIBnXpo
We went out on the last day of the opening between Hope and Mission.
(https://i.imgur.com/0980MF3.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lfbUiWW.jpg)
I recall being told by a number people not to fish for pinks above Mission as the fish were all too dark and not worth catching. They were right! What boots those 2 are!
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I don't think the lower fraser is gonna have a good return of pinks, you were right i think most of these fish are distanced north of hells gate. The floods did have a big impact.
I am saying this because every pink i have caught has been in dime bright quality, where previous two cycles i was into big humpies. This year i swore i caught all females' and half ended up to be males. Only a couple had bit of a hump. Seems like there is not much of later run.
so was the return a bit "early" this year or is the later timed component of the run just very poor, kinda seems like the latter.
you were bang on with lots of your assessment Ralph
so ill leave you with this
“For there is assuredly nothing dearer to a man than wisdom, and though age takes away all else, it undoubtedly brings us that.”
Thanks. Very nice of you to say so. If I was right, I wish I had been wrong!. Fwiw I didn't catch a lot of pinks. not even a dozen in 4 trips. In the past with numbers like we have had there were days when I hooked 40 to 50 fish in 4 to 6 hours. I didn't really count but i keep track of consecutive counts where I hooked a fish. Have enough instances of hooking a pink on 8 to 10 successive casts it starts to add up!
Fish may have delayed due to the drought and bright weather. If there are more coming it should happen this week. All through last week well over 100,00 pinks pass through the Mission sonic fence every day. Add the commercial catch and we must be past 10 million by now.
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The pink salmon conveyor belt.
https://youtube.com/shorts/13mLSqVYDFw
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Hasn't been much interest in this topic for a couple of weeks. Checking the Mission fish passage, pinks have continued to migrate since Sept 15th which was the date of the last weekly panel report though panel discussion packages continue to be posted. From Sept 15th to Oct2nd about 2 million pinks passed Mission.
https://www.psc.org/FRPWeb/Escapement/SockPink_Passage_Summary.pdf
No doubt more have gone past in the last few days. Those fish were going somewhere. I have seen videos this week that show masses of pinks in the Chehalis flats area. The Harrison often gets a big push of pinks in late Sept or early October. Years past I have caught these fish both in the Fraser and in the lower Harrison.
Escapement is now close to 9.6 million. That's 64% of the last in season forecast (15 million) though it looks like the accounted run size isn't even 11 million (that's still a good return! Fishing was pretty good folks) so the actual escapement is close to 90%!
Speaking of escapement, I found an interesting graph of pink escapement vs actual run size. I take 2 things from it; 1) DFO has managed escapement very conservatively at least since 2001, most years it has been very high relative to the run size. 2) there isn't much of a correlation between the size of the escapement and the run size of the following cycle. Small escapements (ie '99) can yield huge returns in the next cycle. Large escapements (i.e. 2003 and 2013) can be followed by small returns.
https://psc1.shinyapps.io/PSC_Annual_Fraser/ (https://psc1.shinyapps.io/PSC_Annual_Fraser/) click on Pinks salmon in the top top right and then select run size and you'll get a graphic presentation of run size and escapement from 1959 to 2021
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Considering DFO has not done Fraser River or tributary pink salmon spawner enumerations in about 20 years, I'm not sure how they arrive at an accurate escapement number.
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simple math Dave, number of fish caught downstream of Mission ( primarily in the Straight) + the 'escapement' past Mission. Spawner enumerations aren't all that reliable either. Counting from the air or even by foot can make for difficult estimates.
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Counting from the air or even by foot can make for difficult estimates.
But better than none.
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the largest spawning area is the Fraser from Chilliwack to Hope - millions of fish may spawn there and water visibility is often low. How effective could a eyesight count be? How many people would need to do it?
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Ralph, I don't want to argue with you, that's a waste of time.
In the past the Fraser was enumerated albeit, as you say, the system is huge .... with a tagging crew at Glen Valley and the now extinct fry and smolt sampling boat at Mission. I worked on both.
All pink salmon bearing streams had dedicated stock assessment crews, up to about 20 years ago. Now there is nothing.
That's not good enough, imo
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I recall seeing the tagging crew at work at Glen Valley. I think fry and smolt sampling still goes on in another form. I have seen pink fry enumeration sampling on the lower Harrison. They are still sampling and estimate operations and not attempts at complete counts. Some streams such as the Babine and Smith Inlet/smokehouse did have counting fences. The sonar fence at Mission has had it's issues but that's what they rely on and claim they account for double counting etc. The estimates based on the marine test fishery also seemed to miss the mark by as much as 50% (20 million estimate vs a 10 million return). Truth is PSC & DFO don't seem to worry too much about pink salmon numbers. These fish have practically taken over the North Pacific to the cost of other species.