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IronNoggin

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PACIFIC BALANCE PINNIPED SOCIETY IMPORTANT NOTICE
« on: November 22, 2022, 11:22:11 AM »

PACIFIC BALANCE PINNIPED SOCIETY IMPORTANT NOTICE

November 19 2022 Just released:

WASHINGTON STATE, ACADAMEY OF SCIENCE

SCIENCE IN THE SERVICE OF WASHINGTON STATE

PINNIPED PREDATION OF SALMONOIDS ON THE WASHINGTON PORTION OF THE SALISH SEA AND OUTER COAST

November 2022

This is a very important step forward in pinniped management.

Here is Dr. Carl Walter’s statement on this extremely well written and documented study

QUOTE: The really KEY thing was NOT just recommending any more studies, but instead recognizing that such studies won’t prove anything and ONLY a large scale harvesting experiment will provide the needed understanding.

This is the first time for me that a major science group had the courage to admit that the standard “more studies” approach will just not work.

https://washacad.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Pinniped-Predation-on-Salmonids-in-the-Washington-Portions-of-the-Salish-Sea-and-Outer-Coast-1.pdf

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Re: PACIFIC BALANCE PINNIPED SOCIETY IMPORTANT NOTICE
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2022, 06:07:23 PM »

the UBC Professor Emeritus , which simply means he retired in good standing, can say what he wants. However he was not named as a contributor or advisor  to the report though published studies of which he is a co-author are included in the list of references.

The report does not state "...ONLY a large scale harvesting experiment will provide the needed understanding."

Rather it calls for "Adaptive Management Approaches". It states that "Pinnipeds are particularly focused on salmon as prey at both natural and human-made pinch points in salmon migration (i.e., dams), thereby rendering some salmon stocks more vulnerable to pinniped predation than others" and that pinnipeds are "a contributing factor in the decline and depression of salmon populations in Washington State waters" but that there is  "substantial uncertainty about the degree to which pinnipeds have and currently are depressing salmon stocks".

The report further says that "appropriately scaled adaptive management of pinniped populations are key to resolving these uncertainties but likely will require lethal removals" which I believe has already taken place in Washington as well as Oregon.
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Re: PACIFIC BALANCE PINNIPED SOCIETY IMPORTANT NOTICE
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2022, 10:45:58 AM »

the UBC Professor Emeritus , which simply means he retired in good standing, can say what he wants.

Sorry Ralph, but I'll take the words of one of the most senior marine biologists this country has ever produced over your mumblings every single day of the week.

However yes, to date over 5,000 sea lions have been culled (via traps) on the US west coast this year alone.
Cull as apposed t harvest which is what we proposed...

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« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2022, 06:25:17 PM »

Sorry Ralph, but I'll take the words of one of the most senior marine biologists this country has ever produced over your mumblings every single day of the week.


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Ha ha! No mumblings. I quoted directly from the report.

if people want to know what the report says they should read it.

As for "one of the most senior marine biologists this country has ever produced" no argument there though he is also known for being controversial, at least at times.
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Re: PACIFIC BALANCE PINNIPED SOCIETY IMPORTANT NOTICE
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2022, 09:21:04 AM »

Does anyone know what's the status on Pinniped Balancing in BC? Last I heard was that DFO was issuing harvesting permits and that certain areas like the Oyster were being targeted. Tried to find any recent info but no luck
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Re: PACIFIC BALANCE PINNIPED SOCIETY IMPORTANT NOTICE
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2022, 12:30:10 PM »

Last official word from DFO was that there were no plans to issue harvest permits for a couple of years though that was more than a year ago. Permits get issued under the Marine mammal regulations to remove problem pinnipeds every year.
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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2022, 01:01:03 PM »

... Permits get issued under the Marine mammal regulations to remove problem pinnipeds every year.

And a hell of a LOT more that you simply are not privy too.
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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2022, 02:52:45 PM »

And a hell of a LOT more that you simply are not privy too.


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