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Fisherbob

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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2640 on: August 23, 2017, 05:35:48 PM »

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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2641 on: August 23, 2017, 05:46:29 PM »

Hard to have sightings when no one walks the streams to count them any more, how convenient

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/sfu-salmon-study-1.4256265

True enough but I think more than enough anglers are out there to report finding Atlantic's ... if they were there.
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2642 on: August 23, 2017, 06:45:19 PM »

http://bcsalmonfarmers.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/timeline_Atlantic_salmon_Pacific-Coast.pdf

They do not seem to survive in Pacific waters.
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yeah sensitive little muffins like steelhead if you can't compete get out!
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2647 on: August 29, 2017, 10:09:26 PM »

not sure if you guys have reviewed this one

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2641448?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

Have you read the 2012 Cohen report, specifically the sections dealing with the impacts of Atlantic Salmon on Fraser Sockeye which included expert testimony and evidence?
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2648 on: August 29, 2017, 10:37:41 PM »

Hard to have sightings when no one walks the streams to count them any more, how convenient

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/sfu-salmon-study-1.4256265

There is a little hyperbole in your comment. While I don't necessarily disagree with the author's findings  (other than highlight the uncertainty that surrounds models that predict how reduced fishing would impact CU status) if you had read the paper you would have noticed that the results of the study were based on data from the North and Central coasts - not province wide. Unfortunately when this story came out, fish farm critics jumped at the talking points from the more vocal activists. The media was partially responsible. Again, context is important and so are facts.

It's not true that nobody walks the streams anymore. What I will say is that some species of Pacific salmon in BC are assessed much better than others and some watersheds are assessed much better than others. Doesn't mean there is no problems or challenges in these other areas, but there are crews (DFO and First Nations) on the ground walking streams, conducting live counts, dead pitching carcasses and doing biological sampling. Yes, budget cuts from the past federal government certainly didn't help and have hampered our ability to fully implement the Wild Salmon Policy, but I get annoyed when I keep reading on social media that nobody walks streams anymore. These crews do a great job and encounter many salmon carcasses and would be diligent enough to recognize anything out of the ordinary including sightings of Atlantic Salmon.
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2649 on: August 31, 2017, 07:55:10 AM »

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another SLICE of dirty fish perhaps?

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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2652 on: August 31, 2017, 02:18:35 PM »

Nothing new there Chris. Doc Morton is not much of a biologist if she has never seen that before imo. All she needs to do is open a book. :).  More fear factor than anything.
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2653 on: September 01, 2017, 07:59:06 AM »

The escape of thousands of Atlantic salmon from an imploded net pen in the San Juan Islands this month led to further calls to close the farms and move to land-based operations. In response to the escape, Washington state issued a moratorium on new net-pen permits.

B.C. Agriculture Minister Lana Popham said Monday the provincial government has put a hold on new tenure permits for salmon farms. The last tenure permits issued were to four operations in 2015.

only Fred Flinstone supporting open pens now :o
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Re: Get your facts straight?
« Reply #2654 on: September 01, 2017, 09:04:51 AM »

The escape of thousands of Atlantic salmon from an imploded net pen in the San Juan Islands this month led to further calls to close the farms and move to land-based operations. In response to the escape, Washington state issued a moratorium on new net-pen permits.

B.C. Agriculture Minister Lana Popham said Monday the provincial government has put a hold on new tenure permits for salmon farms. The last tenure permits issued were to four operations in 2015.

only Fred Flinstone supporting open pens now :o
If any juveniles show up in the screw traps on the Nooksack and Skagit rivers in the next year or two, we will know this was a total disaster.  Until then, we just wait and watch.
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