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[Rodney]

Posting these for Chris:

I was at the chilliwack river valley today and found a campsite in the worst condition I have ever seen them after the August long weekend. How can people be so inconsiderate of the Chilliwack River Valley. Here are some of the pictures of what I observed today.

[chris gadsden]

Thanks Rodney, the pictures are from different camping areas as most sites from Tamahi upstream to Chilliwack Lake and along Bench Road are like a garbage dump. It is sad that a lot of this area was all cleaned up 2 weeks ago during the CVRCS 2nd cleanup for 2010, the Limits Hole was very dirty too.

There will be lots of garbage for the BC Rivers Day event on September 26th for the volunteers to tackle.

[BBarley]

Another one of those situations where a few ruin it for all.

Summer brings people out of their houses to enjoy the outdoors, and things like this are the result. Sad to see, but not suprising

[dennyman]

All I have to say is that there is something wrong with people like this. I go to lakes in the interior and don't see even a tenth of the garbage thrown away at the Vedder .  Until the Ministry of the Environment starts taking enforcement of this area seriously the Chilliwack River Valley is a disgrace. Here's something else to consider, why did no one go up there to dole out fines for the campfires since there was an open fire ban???

Note: campfire bans falls under this ministry "The British Columbia Forest Service, Wildfire Management Branch".

[BBarley]

All I have to say is that there is something wrong with people like this. I go to lakes in the interior and don't see even a tenth of the garbage thrown away at the Vedder .  Until the Ministry of the Environment starts taking enforcement of this area seriously the Chilliwack River Valley is a disgrace. Here's something else to consider, why did no one go up there to dole out fines for the campfires since there was an open fire ban???

You are asking a question about government employees.

1) They avoid confrontation at all costs.
2) They don't work weekends.

[dennyman]

Dude: in forest fire season, they work round the clock. What if a fire had started, for all the good that it will do I think I will fire a letter off to Barry Penner.  Pardon the pun .

[fishfulthinkin]

i've been watching tubers come down the vedder while fishing..
there was one instance where 3 seperate groups came through within about 20 minutes of eachother, and behind each flowed either a beer can, or some garbage trail.
stupid thing is it follows them down the river and makes themlook like a real ignorant slobs. all i could do is shake my head

[BBarley]

Dude: in forest fire season, they work round the clock. What if a fire had started, for all the good that it will do I think I will fire a letter off to Barry Penner.  Pardon the pun .

Yes, the Wildfire Management Branch does work around the clock battling forest fires around the province, as well as in other provinces and areas of the world as required. And they do a incredible job that mostly goes unthanked every summer to protect the beautiful outdoors we all enjoy.

I'm referring to the enforcement of making people pay for their negligence by starting a campfire when our forests are a tinderbox all over, and there is a fire ban all over southern BC. I've seen numerous fires in the short area of river I fish, and the people that make them walk away without thought, just the same as the fine folk that made the mess in the above pictures.

[skaha]

--It's the government... not the workers that doesn't work... that is why, yet again the government nuked enforcement and other staff.
--In a normal/average fire season we are already over budget and there are many weeks of fires to come.

--the government continuously underbudgets for fire season as they know they can access so called contingency funding which in effect is a pre-approved guarantee to pay for fire fighting no matter the cost. But looks better on the books... funny how every year we go over budget you'd think they could actually show what they think they would spend in an average year. Lets say budget based on average of past 5 years?

--By government... I don't just mean the current... NDP were no angels when it came to lay off of MOE and MOF staff...Liberals are just finishing the job.

--As to crime and punishment... I have a red neck idea for those caught... forget the fine... make them custodian of the area they messed up and give then the responsibility to clean it up and keep it clean for at least one season...

--get some areas where people can drink and throw their chairs on the fire.. like an old gravel pit.. cement toilets that won't burn and can be washed out each day with a fire hose.  give them the option of clean up or pay up at the gate.

--The government came up with the classic useless approach... lets make a ridiculous rule like reduce the legal size of a camp fire and announce bigger fines...but not one more staff member for enforcement of this ... pun intended just smoke and mirrors.

[speycaster]

My view of how to correct it is a bit harsh for most people. But it would work.

 They are too stupid to be left alive, should be legal to remove them from the earth. Participated in many cleanups when I lived at the coast, the stuff that humans will leave around camping areas has to be experienced to be believed. One site had dozens and dozens of disposable diapers, then there was the areas right next to the river that had been used for latrines. Except they were too lazy to dig holes so every thing was on the surface including lots of used toilet paper. And some here wonder why I have such a low opinion of our species and would like to see the VAST majority of them removed from the living.

[BBarley]

I tend to agree with speycaster.

Humans leave an enormous footprint on this planet, and as the population goes up, naturally so does everything else. The problem we have is, how and when will we realize that population explosions will lead to our own demise???  Will it be too late???

For some reason, I wouldn't be surprised if CSIS broke down my door and took me in for supporting inhumane idea's.....

[chris gadsden]

Re my pictures I sent to the Chilliwack Progress

http://www.bclocalnews.com/fraser_valley/theprogress/opinion/100075924.html

[metalleg_man]

That's terrible to see that in my home town.  I can't stand to see the ignorant people that leave all their garbage behind.  Good to see that it gets a bit of press, but like most small stories I'm sure that everyone has already forgot about it.

[chris gadsden]

That's terrible to see that in my home town.  I can't stand to see the ignorant people that leave all their garbage behind.  Good to see that it gets a bit of press, but like most small stories I'm sure that everyone has already forgot about it.

Discussions going on at this time seeking solutions. Some are saying to close this area to camping as it is from just above the Vedder Bridge to Tamiihi Bridge.

Ideas from anyone welcome.

[speycaster]

Get a bounty on them Chris, say a hundred bucks an ear. Not worth my while to come down to the coast for less.