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Re: 2022 Fraser River Sockeye Salmon Updates
« Reply #330 on: September 06, 2022, 10:21:01 PM »

It's because the DFO policy lumps us together. ...

it's not DFO Policy. It's an SCOC ruling and that makesit a law DFO has to follow.
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Re: 2022 Fraser River Sockeye Salmon Updates
« Reply #331 on: September 06, 2022, 10:22:25 PM »

It's because the DFO policy lumps us together.  The rec fishery is only available when there is enough fish for a non-FN commercial opening. The policy says rec fishers get 5% and the commies get 95%.  Personally I think this policy should change and the rec fishery, which probably supports more people then the commercial fishery with much less impact on the sockeye run, should be treated as a completely separate fishery.

why are they lumped together. I dont see any logical sense in it. Seems to be common with DFO. Why is it that it seems so badly managed.
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Re: 2022 Fraser River Sockeye Salmon Updates
« Reply #332 on: September 06, 2022, 10:40:11 PM »

it's not DFO Policy. It's an SCOC ruling and that makesit a law DFO has to follow.

Huh I’m not aware of that, scoc ruling just said conservation then fsc,

Nothing about how rec and commercial split should work, as seen with coho and chinook rec have priority over commercial. That split is DFO policy, for chum, sockeye and pink commercial gets 95% rec gets 5%.
Unless we’re talking about round tables where other things have been negotiated where in port alberni o believe rec gets a bigger split because at the time the round table was form Rec was harvesting a larger amout of sockeye then 6%.
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Re: 2022 Fraser River Sockeye Salmon Updates
« Reply #333 on: September 07, 2022, 07:27:23 AM »

SCOC Jack et al v The Queen 1980

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Conservation is a valid legislative concern.  The appellants concede as much.  Their concern is in the allocation of the resource after reasonable and necessary conservation measures have been recognized and given effect to.  They do not claim the right to pursue the last living salmon until it is caught.  Their position, as I understand it, is one which would give effect to an order of priorities of this nature: (i) conservation; (ii) Indian fishing; (iii) non‑Indian commercial fishing; or (iv) non‑Indian sports fishing; the burden of conservation measures should not fall primarily upon the Indian fishery.

    I agree with the general tenor of this argument. . . .  With respect to whatever salmon are to be caught, then priority ought to be given to the Indian fishermen, subject to the practical difficulties occasioned by international waters and the movement of the fish themselves.  But any limitation upon Indian fishing that is established for a valid conservation purpose overrides the protection afforded the Indian fishery by art. 13, just as such conservation measures override other taking of fish.


this was also cited in R v Sparrow 1990

that the guideline for harvest/access after conservation:

1) FSC
2) Commercial fishing by non-FNs
3) recreation fishing by non-FNs

in the past when 2) was skipped but recreational fishing was allowed the Commercial sector complained bitterly. FOV committed to the SCOC priorities.
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Re: 2022 Fraser River Sockeye Salmon Updates
« Reply #334 on: September 07, 2022, 07:41:22 AM »

Says commercial or sport
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Re: 2022 Fraser River Sockeye Salmon Updates
« Reply #335 on: September 07, 2022, 08:45:57 AM »

Allocation Principle 4 - Recreational Allocation

After conservation needs are met, and priority access for First Nations as set
out in Principle 2 is addressed, recreational anglers will be provided:
• priority to directed fisheries on chinook and coho salmon; and,
• predictable and stable fishing opportunities for sockeye, pink and
chum salmon.

Recreational Priority to Chinook and Coho

The recreational priority to directed fisheries on chinook and coho salmon will
operate only after conservation needs are met and First Nations priority, as outlined
in Principle 2, has been addressed. Implementation of the priority will also:

• take into account that sport and commercial fisheries operate very differently,
and

• be consistent with needs of the recreational fishery where fishing time and the
opportunity to fish are more important than an explicit amount of fish.

Where conservation goals cannot be met, recreational fisheries for all salmon will
be closed. Where abundance is sufficient to meet conservation goals but
insufficient to address First Nations needs, recreational access will be restricted to
selective fishing only including non-retention of chinook andlor coho salmon as
appropriate. Where abundance is greater, directed recreational fisheries will be
permitted, however, the recreational limits for these fisheries will be determined by
relative abundance. Even in high abundance scenarios, recreational limits will not
exceed 2 per day with a possession limit of 4 for chinook salmon and 4 per day with
a possession limit of 8 for coho salmon (e.g., in terminal areas or harvest of
hatchery-produced salmon).

Recreational Harvest of Sockeye, Pink and Chum

Recreational sockeye, pink and chum fisheries will only be conducted after
conservation needs are met and the First Nations priority, as outlined in Principle 2,
has been addressed.

The recreational fishery will be managed to provide a stable and predictable
opportunity for recreational harvest of sockeye, pink and chum fisheries.
Management activities will allow an orderly expansion of the recreational harvest
of these species and yet minimize the adverse impacts on the commercial fishery.
The recreational harvest of sockeye, pink and chum will be limited to a maximum
average of 5% of the combined recreational and commercial harvest of each species
over the period 1999 to 2005. This maximum average will be revisited prior to the
2006 fishing season. The Minister may seek advice from the Allocation Board on
this element of the allocation policy.

The 5% allocation is a cap (that is, a maximum harvest quantity.) Therefore,
sockeye, pink and chum salmon, that is not anticipated to be harvested by the
recreational sector in any given year, will be made available to the commercial
fishery.
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Re: 2022 Fraser River Sockeye Salmon Updates
« Reply #336 on: September 07, 2022, 09:18:25 AM »

Says commercial or sport

take it to court

it also lists sport as #4. Some stocks can't sustain commercial harvest but could sustain a restricted sport fishery. This is done all the time however it certainly does not apply to this year's sockeye return. While there returns are lower than hoped they are not so low that conservation trumps all other options.
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Re: 2022 Fraser River Sockeye Salmon Updates
« Reply #337 on: September 07, 2022, 09:26:43 AM »

take it to court

it also lists sport as #4. Some stocks can't sustain commercial harvest but could sustain a restricted sport fishery. This is done all the time however it certainly does not apply to this year's sockeye return. While there returns are lower than hoped they are not so low that conservation trumps all other options.

no need to take it to court they opened commercial they will open sport in a couple of days
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Re: 2022 Fraser River Sockeye Salmon Updates
« Reply #338 on: September 07, 2022, 10:00:26 AM »

no need to take it to court they opened commercial they will open sport in a couple of days
where are these announcements?
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Re: 2022 Fraser River Sockeye Salmon Updates
« Reply #339 on: September 07, 2022, 10:08:15 AM »

https://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=search_results&ID=all&Year=2022

FN1007 & FN1003

don't hold your breath. The recreational opening may be off the Fraser mouth only. They haven't indicated there will be a commercial opening in the river itself.
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Re: 2022 Fraser River Sockeye Salmon Updates
« Reply #340 on: September 07, 2022, 10:11:12 AM »

https://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=search_results&ID=all&Year=2022

FN1007 & FN1003

The recreational opening may be off the Fraser mouth only.

It probably will be since they are keeping area E gillnetters out of the fraser,

MB pink hoochie time, Slow troll, lots of flashers
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Re: 2022 Fraser River Sockeye Salmon Updates
« Reply #341 on: September 07, 2022, 11:30:08 AM »

It probably will be since they are keeping area E gillnetters out of the fraser,

MB pink hoochie time, Slow troll, lots of flashers

I hope so. I have a few vacation days earmarked for this activity. It wasn’t looking promising but fingers crossed.
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Re: 2022 Fraser River Sockeye Salmon Updates
« Reply #342 on: September 07, 2022, 01:50:29 PM »

I hope so. I have a few vacation days earmarked for this activity. It wasn’t looking promising but fingers crossed.

Chinook is available. why focus only on sockeye?
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Re: 2022 Fraser River Sockeye Salmon Updates
« Reply #343 on: September 07, 2022, 01:54:15 PM »

Chinook is available. why focus only on sockeye?

was lots of guys out in jet boats on friday and monday when it was flat calm getting limits.
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Re: 2022 Fraser River Sockeye Salmon Updates
« Reply #344 on: September 07, 2022, 03:34:00 PM »

may open for rec fishing for a 10 day opening, notice may come out tomorrow for a Friday/saturday opening

for sockeye, down stream of hope

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