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[Straight Runner]

I'm sure there is a good reason, but I don't know it. Why do people use lighter line than me. I stick to 30 pound Triple Fish generally for trolling in the chuck. I never lose fish, (but I don't hook many). Same question for river fishing, even though I never do it. Why would you use something like 10 pound. Don't you just lose more tackle?

[Fish Assassin]

Allow me to answer that by posing a question to you: which do prefer, catching fish or not losing tackle ?

[blaydRnr]

Allow me to answer that by posing a question to you: which do prefer, catching fish or not losing tackle ?

  oooh....very freudian    

[bbronswyk2000]

Is this guy serious or what?

[rob.l]

This post give you a clear distinction between a SPORTS Fisherman and a MEAT fisherman...

Sport fishing is just that... Sport. You against a fish...Man against beast. I find it way more fun to fish using light gear. I have never in all my life used anything on the rivers over 15lb Mono. Fishing is about enjoying the fight.

I have a real hard time watching the "tow truck" fisherman out there..

[IronNoggin]

Whoa! Wait just a moment here. The man did say he was trollin' the chuck, and I at least would assume he means targeting springs. 30 pound mono makes him a "Meat Fisherman"? I hardly think so. I've seen many many large fish lost due to running too light of line, and 30 is just about right for springs IMHO. You're still gonna have to play the fish, that is simply the nature of fighting energetic, chuck caught springs.

Now IF he had said he was workin' the flow with something that heavy, it would be a different story. BUT, he didn't. Take a moment to READ what someone posts BEFORE jumping all over them folks. It's just common courtesy! Gotta wonder if those who replied in that fashion have EVER hooked a HOT 30 to 50 pound spring in the chuck. 10 lb test my my friend! 

Cheers,
Nog (who runs 400 yards of 80 pound test on each of the six wooden Peetz while targetting springs in the chuck, coupled with 40 pound leaders, and still manages to lose the odd fish/terminal)

[Gooey]

Who the heck made all you guys king: "meat fishermen", "sports vs meat" BLAH BLAH BLAH.

Did One Dog say he was fishing 30lb right down to the hook?  Did he say where he is fishing or what species he is targetting?  Lots of guides up in the charlottes etc tie 25lb leaders...so who are all of you to be so judgemental?

Using 30 main isnt out of line when trolling!  We fished victoria/sooke for years and while we never hooked a HUGE chinook, but each year Columbians caught in that area were weighing in 60lbs+.  Largest I ever saw weighed in was 79lbs

We ran 15-20 lb leader for our hookies and anchovie teasers...30-40 lb main gave that $8.00 flasher a little protection if we ever snagged up on bottom etc.  60lb fish...20 even 30lb leader - no sport there right gang

I think 30lb is just fine for the chuck and we caught lots of fish!  Stick to it One Dog, put your time in and your numbers will improve. 

For the river, its a different story - well thats if you apply it to most of the rivers in the lower mainland (where a majority of us fish).  Keep in mind, river fishing is much more finess than trolling, takes can be light, you watch your float for the smallest reaction, etc...30lb main would be a pain in the my friend to cast all day (not an issue trolling), the wind that can howls thru the river valleys would also grab 30lb line and play havoc with the natural presentation and drift of bait down the river.  Indeed 12lb leader is usually more than enuff for most species on our local flows so 30lb main would be excessive.  Hop up to the Thompson, Fraser, Skeena, Kitimat, etc and you all would be very justified in reaching for a rod spooled with something heavier than 15lb main!

Sounds like you mostly ocean fish One Dog, have you done any river fishing?

Good luck to you where ever you choose to wet a line.

[IronNoggin]

Bill,
Once again, read the bloody post! You're experience in the chuck (or lack thereof in this case) is really shining through! I tag in the nieghborhood of ~ 150 springs each and every year over 30 pounds, many in the 40's and a handfull in the 50's. Not braggin' simply telling it like it is. Anything less than 30 pound main, you are SERIOUSLY undergunned with these large and energetic battlers! 

And... just because you are using the appropriate line strength for the target species, what is it that leads you to believe that is "not giving the fish a chance??" Barbless hooks, a fighting tiger on the end of your line, and SKILL is what is required to be successful. One of these days I would just LOVE to witness you attempt to tame 40 pounds of rolling anger with your 10 or 15 pound test! 

While I personally don't fish pinks, sockeye are generally taken aboard my 2 boats with 12 to 15 pound test on light trout rods, and coho 15 to 20 on medium rods. Match the line & rod to the target, and you are in for some FUN. Springs are large and powerful, requiring the employ of heavier line to be successful. Nothing whatsoever wrong with that! Go too light, and you'll be a shining example of a "conservationist" 

Sheesh! 

Have FUN out there in the chuck OneDog! You are going about it the right way, regardless of the Newbie's differences with that opinion 

Cheers,
Nog

[Gooey]

Bill, in tems of a coho fishery, DFO wants us to harvest as many hatchery coho as possible.  Those fish are put there for us.  Springs same sorta story, one shouldnt feel guilty about harvesting fish, especially on a run which is hatchery augmented - thats what they make those fish for!

And as long as no fish goes to waste, a fishermen shouldnt be judged for take food home for the family.  Heck, with a round trip (north van to the vedder) probably costing $30 in gas, its nice to have some fish to offset that cost.

[rob.l]

One dog I apoligize...
I missed the "chuck" part of your post.. My bad
Now if we were talking river... My view still stands. Yes ocean fishing is alot different than river fishing

Sorry to everyone else also..
Rob out..

[IronNoggin]

A couple of points Bill:
- The original poster noted "I don't catch many fish", so can HARDLY be condiered a Meat Hunter, eh?
- Although I, and the vast majority of my buddies, hook and land literally hundreds upon hundreds of salmon in the chuck, but a handfull of these are killed to eventually feed our families and friends. None of us consider the freezer a Trophy Case as you suggested.
- The very nature of guiding on the chuck is that you are escorting folks who largely have extremely limited access to that fishery. As a consequence, most will want to "limit" on those occasions. Nothing worng with that, as the overall numbers they individually remove are inconsequential in the overall scheme of things.

I take back my remark about your lack of experience. It seems that was right out of line.
Continue to enjoy the way you like to fish, but please don't berate others for their chosen method.

And with that, I'm headed offshore now, chasin' springs, with my heavy 40 & 80 pound lines 

Outta here...
Nog

[Eagleye]

Anything less than 30 pound main, you are SERIOUSLY undergunned with these large and energetic battlers! 

And... just because you are using the appropriate line strength for the target species, what is it that leads you to believe that is "not giving the fish a chance??" Barbless hooks, a fighting tiger on the end of your line, and SKILL is what is required to be successful. One of these days I would just LOVE to witness you attempt to tame 40 pounds of rolling anger with your 10 or 15 pound test!

 Match the line & rod to the target, and you are in for some FUN. Springs are large and powerful, requiring the employ of heavier line to be successful. Nothing whatsoever wrong with that! Go too light, and you'll be a shining example of a "conservationist" 

Sheesh! 

Cheers,
Nog

I couldn't agree with IronNoggin more.  IMHO this applies to freshwater as well. when targeting springs a minimum of 30lb leader is required to be able to slow down/tire out or turn a spring barrelling down river like a freight train.  This is especially true when fishing from shore cause the bank is only so long, your reel can only hold so much line and sooner or later you will be forced to tighten your drag to prevent the fish from spooling you which will result in your leader snapping.  With 30lb you at least have a chance to tire out the spring before this happens.  Anything less will lose a tyee.  Of course there are always exceptions to every rule; some springs will come straight for you or won't put up much of a fight but from my experience the hogs don't go down without one hell of a fight.  And no I don't us a tow truck method when fishing, I play the fish out right to the end which is what is required to land a large spring. Lighter line is useful when fishing clear water for species of salmon that weigh less.

attn: One dog
I noticed you said you use 30lb Triple Fish line I'm not familiar with this type of line so I can't say if it is good or bad but you might want to give Maxima a try it is supposed to be the toughest and most translucent mono line on the market.

[DragonSpeed]

All this "Whoa there big fella - how about the challenge of playing the fish?"  forgets that we're talking about MAIN LINE here.  The one with the BIG FREAKING lead weight as well.   Then, below that, he could be using 8lb or less leader.  Maybe he's just tired of losing gear to the sticks and twigs and other snags in the river?

Why NOT use heavier main line...it's not like the fish see the big pencil lead, and say "Oh...it's a piece of lead floating naturally, we can just ignore that", and then when there's a heavy mainline they run like scared chickens.

By using the heavier line, you are likely to leave LESS weight in the river, and that's a Good Thing(tm)

[bbronswyk2000]

Is this guy serious or what?

My mistake I was one of the guilty ones that didnt read his entire post. I apologize.

[Eagleye]

We all have to think about the future of B.C. salmon fishing.

what does this statement have to do with using lighter leaders.