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[SuperBobby]

Carney has a proven track record as a business man and thats  why they voted for him after the mess that Trudeau left

This comment almost made me throw up in my mouth. Are you living under a rock?

PP is a professional politician who can't even get elected in his own riding

Do some research on the corruption of how they did the ballot in his riding. And no, it is nowhere to be found on CBC and Global.

[salmonrook]

  Are you ?
 He was the governor of both the Bank of England and the Bank of Canada and guided them thru some tough economic events .
Why he was elected , he was viewed as the best choice .
Some chose to stay in there conservative headspace to vote regardless ,even if the candidate or leader  prove to be a poor choice .
PP is that choice , if the conservatives had a better leader, there I have no doubt they would be in power .

 I'll put on my tin foil hat and start googling elections results that align with my theory about why PP wasnt elected.
Or I'll just use my own judgement to see that they had a better choice in that riding and the guy is just unlikeable.
He passes as a leader of the opposition , barely

[GordJ]

Salmonrook, you obviously don’t understand that just because PP has never had a real job his experience as a career politician makes him way, way more qualified to run this economy. The fact that the people in his caucus are running away from him (really? A Conservative crossing the floor?) doesn’t mean that he is not a good leader. And don’t try to describe him as a mini Trump because he was never given an inheritance to lose so he is not like Trump at all. Wouldn’t you like to see him and trump meeting to discuss the tariffs or the fighters jet purchase? It will be nice to have him kiss King Joffery’s butt instead of Carney reminding Joffrey that “the owners have decided that Canada is not for sale” or whatever it was that he said.

[RalphH]

I agree that politics is a tough and demanding job. For most it's hard work work and long hours much of it away from home. Every few years oemployers have a vote to see if you will be retained or fired without any severance pay.  Most of them are decent people who got into politics for what they think are good reasons. For a party leader, cabinet minister etc it's a 24 hour day 7 day week. When people say a career politician never had a a 'real job' usually mean a labour or trade type job. Its true they are different worlds as are management jobs and office jobs. I have had a few in each category and they are different worlds. I put myself through University working as a janitor. I was probably happier on the job doing that than any other position I had.

[SuperBobby]

  Are you ?
 He was the governor of both the Bank of England and the Bank of Canada and guided them thru some tough economic events .
Why he was elected , he was viewed as the best choice .
Some chose to stay in there conservative headspace to vote regardless ,even if the candidate or leader  prove to be a poor choice .
PP is that choice , if the conservatives had a better leader, there I have no doubt they would be in power .

 I'll put on my tin foil hat and start googling elections results that align with my theory about why PP wasnt elected.
Or I'll just use my own judgement to see that they had a better choice in that riding and the guy is just unlikeable.
He passes as a leader of the opposition , barely

You need Accountant Ralphy to help you. Do you understand that Carney is going to add approx 80 billion to our debt in 1 year? If you don't believe me, then do a real study on the budget he is proposing.
I'm not an accountant like Ralpy, but I'm good at math so let me help you out.

80 billion / 40 million people is $2000 dollars per person FOR 1 FREAKING YEAR. Do you have to ability to calculate the that and then understand the ensuing economic disaster from that? A working man with a wife and 2 kids at home....that's 8000 for 1 family for 1 year.....

But of course that debt is going to plague future generations as well when you take into the fact that we aren't paying it back but there is interest on that.

Even Ralphy the accountant isn't going to argue with that.

As for you my friend, salmonrook.... I hope no business out there ever hires you to do their financial planning.......you're clueless if you think Carney is a good business man.
Any private business anywhere would fire his @$$ instantly for incompetency.

[RalphH]

As for you my friend, I hope no business out there ever hires you to do their financial planning.......you're clueless if you think Carney is a good business man

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While I am not sure if this was directed at me but at no point and no time did I describe Carney that way.

FWIW Accounting really is not about math. Like a lot of disciplines such as engineering, it uses math as a tool.

[SuperBobby]

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While I am not sure if this was directed at me but at no point and no time did I describe Carney that way.

FWIW Accounting really is not about math. Like a lot of disciplines such as engineering, it uses math as a tool.

That comment was not directed at you

[salmonrook]

Salmonrook, you obviously don’t understand that just because PP has never had a real job his experience as a career politician makes him way, way more qualified to run this economy

   Sorry but I dont think if you compare the 2 then anyone would say that PP has more experience in Finance than Carney .
Career politician , his only job is to see that gets re elected , not  someone with real world experience in finance.

I understand the budget and I was surprised it was that high but that includes help for our auto industry, forestry in BC and making sure we are spending to our NATO committment of 2% of GDP .
 
 The Conservatives would be running a deficit  as well  , when asked PP didnt even have a solid platform before the election , just a bunch of rhetoric. He was leading in the polls as well until Carney came along .
 Its clear that people thought Carney was a better man because they elected him , people could have voted either way and they chose. FACT
 Not claiming to be in finance but everyone understands deficits and debt , you seem to think that your income tax rate is rising $8000 next year , I think its you that doesnt understand . That debt is on future generations , not saying its right but it is reality .
Canada, USA and most countries have run deficits since WWII .

 When Harper under the Cons was in power , he muzzled DFO and stripped the laws safeguarding our National and provincial parks , basically allowing mining and logging inside them .   
  They have a poor record for this .
Our environment is in better shape because we DIDNT have a conservative government, trying to carve it up for profit .
Will NEVER vote conservative
Along with the basically useless Con MP's we had in our riding for 15 years , people finally wised up and elected a better person .
Yup he ran under the Liberal banner....but he was a better choice , mirroring what happened federally

 


 

[GordJ]

You know, I have been voting for over 50 years and when I look back it has never really made a difference who wins the election. We have had austerity programs and wild spending and it actually hasn't made a real difference. Really, I don't remember being better off under Brian Mulroney or Jean Chretien. I think that if someone you like wins (Pierre Trudeau) you feel better and when someone that you don't like (Joe Clark) wins you feel bad. I know that somehow this is wrong but I bet that deep down most of us who have seen 10 elections look back they might agree. I liked Justin Trudeau more than any of the opposition whether it was NDP, Bloc or Cons in one of their reincarnations. John Horgan probably wasn't any more effective than Eby but on the whole we liked him better. Same with Jack Layton as opposed to Jagmeet. I can go on and on, I shook Tommy Douglas' hand at a potluck dinner, I would never have voted for John Diefenbaker. The list goes on and on. And I just don't like PP. In 15 years it won't have made any difference. But we will still be in a great place.

[Roderick]

Ffs Bobby, it's a secret ballot.  No one knows how anyone voted unless the voter reveals their choice, and Elections Canada will never ask.  Phone and exit polls are the only source of demographic information.

As for the Richmond ruling, it's the first time UNDRIP has come into direct conflict with common law in Canada.   It is true that the band originally didn't ask for title to private land, but now that they won, they are asking for way more on appeal.  Clearly it has to end somewhere, as UNDRIP is not a blank cheque.  I think this ruling, and the inevitable appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada, sets up a discussion that in the end will result in private property rights being upheld in Canada.  Anything else will result in a conflict that neither side wants. 

[Darko]

You know, I have been voting for over 50 years and when I look back it has never really made a difference who wins the election. We have had austerity programs and wild spending and it actually hasn't made a real difference. Really, I don't remember being better off under Brian Mulroney or Jean Chretien. I think that if someone you like wins (Pierre Trudeau) you feel better and when someone that you don't like (Joe Clark) wins you feel bad. I know that somehow this is wrong but I bet that deep down most of us who have seen 10 elections look back they might agree. I liked Justin Trudeau more than any of the opposition whether it was NDP, Bloc or Cons in one of their reincarnations. John Horgan probably wasn't any more effective than Eby but on the whole we liked him better. Same with Jack Layton as opposed to Jagmeet. I can go on and on, I shook Tommy Douglas' hand at a potluck dinner, I would never have voted for John Diefenbaker. The list goes on and on. And I just don't like PP. In 15 years it won't have made any difference. But we will still be in a great place.

Wow Gord, you and so many others of your generation are out of touch with reality.

The reality for todays youth, is that the policies of the last ten years have had severe and measurable consequences. The notion that elections don't matter is a luxury of established financial security that todays youth does not share.

Public safety has significantly deteriorated. Violent crime rates are up. Repeat offenders are the norm, but not to worry the liberals took away the right for legal firearms buyers to purchase restricted firearms. That will fix the problems. Their approach of banning any firearm that "looks dangerous" is surely not a logical one.

Though the boomer generation surely doesn't notice any of that as they live in wealthy communities.

Look what happened during covid. So many people's jobs and livelihoods were threatened if they did not inject themselves with an unproven and unsafe vaccine. For basically the common cold. 

Kids are taught in elementary schools that sex change surgery is normal and accepted.

Endless money is sent to Ukraine year after year instead of supporting tax paying Canadians.

Many of these things have happened only in the last 10 years under liberal rule. So the agenda that it doesn't matter which party wins is nonsense.

The belief that "we will still be in a great place" is true only if you bought a home when it cost 3-4 times the average income. For young people facing costs 12 times (or more) of their income, unsafe neighborhoods, and a sense of being ignored, the trajectory is one of significant decline. For us, politics are not about personality, it is about reversing a very real and damaging course.

Although I understand that is none of your concern, as your selfish generation won't be around to give a damn. The ignorance and lack of self awareness of how fortunate your generation is to have grown up in a much easier time is very frustrating.

[GordJ]

Wow Gord, you and so many others of your generation are out of touch with reality.

The reality for todays youth, is that the policies of the last ten years have had severe and measurable consequences. The notion that elections don't matter is a luxury of established financial security that todays youth does not share.

Public safety has significantly deteriorated. Violent crime rates are up. Repeat offenders are the norm, but not to worry the liberals took away the right for legal firearms buyers to purchase restricted firearms. That will fix the problems. Their approach of banning any firearm that "looks dangerous" is surely not a logical one.

Though the boomer generation surely doesn't notice any of that as they live in wealthy communities.

Look what happened during covid. So many people's jobs and livelihoods were threatened if they did not inject themselves with an unproven and unsafe vaccine. For basically the common cold. 

Kids are taught in elementary schools that sex change surgery is normal and accepted.

Endless money is sent to Ukraine year after year instead of supporting tax paying Canadians.

Many of these things have happened only in the last 10 years under liberal rule. So the agenda that it doesn't matter which party wins is nonsense.

The belief that "we will still be in a great place" is true only if you bought a home when it cost 3-4 times the average income. For young people facing costs 12 times (or more) of their income, unsafe neighborhoods, and a sense of being ignored, the trajectory is one of significant decline. For us, politics are not about personality, it is about reversing a very real and damaging course.

Although I understand that is none of your concern, as your selfish generation won't be around to give a damn. The ignorance and lack of self awareness of how fortunate your generation is to have grown up in a much easier time is very frustrating.

Yeah, you are probably right. I am out of touch with reality and don't have nearly the real life experience that you have. I have had it really easy, like the rest of my generation, unlike you and yours who have had enormous struggles just to pay the cell bills. But to be clear, I didn't say that elections were unimportant but I did say that who won the elections had little impact on our lives when we look back. But your incredible experience and wisdom for outweighs mine so I guess I have it wrong. But carry on with the "oh poor me, I have it so tough" theme because it will tell people a lot about your character. As far as your anti trans, anti vax views ----go fkkk yourself.

[RalphH]

Ffs Bobby, it's a secret ballot.  No one knows how anyone voted unless the voter reveals their choice, and Elections Canada will never ask.  Phone and exit polls are the only source of demographic information.

As for the Richmond ruling, it's the first time UNDRIP has come into direct conflict with common law in Canada.   It is true that the band originally didn't ask for title to private land, but now that they won, they are asking for way more on appeal.  Clearly it has to end somewhere, as UNDRIP is not a blank cheque. 

Excellent post Roderick. In many cases the polls cited didn't even ask the specific question about voting intention. How each respondent answers a question like what issue matters most to you (ie negotiating with the Trump administration vs affordability) can be interpreted differently. Perhaps universal daycare, pharmacare and dental care means more in terms of affordability than spending reductions. People are also notoriously reluctant to tell pollsters their voting intention or how they voted. Polling has become more of a crap shoot over the last several years or more.

Also forgotten is that polling by Nanos, Ipsos and Angus Reid  did show a shift in voting intention during the campaign. In first part of the campaign a very strong Liberal majority looked probable. By the end the question was a Liberal majority possible? Also overlooked was the wipe out of other progressive parties like the NDP and the Greens. The result reflected a broadening split in the electorate as they moved to support one party or the other in the center or the right.