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[wildmanyeah]

Thank you Clarki. Very easy to shout "severe mismanagement" from the sidelines.

Yes and after 15 years there still cannot come up with a leader length regulation but they are on top of management lol

Jesus even if you talk to people that work for DFO they will tell you what a joke management is in the department.  What has conspired this year with respect to chinook regulations was Politics in Ottawa, Even if you talk to the DFO bio;s they were shocked as their recommendations were completely ignored. 

lol who are you rebecca reid's dad lol

[IronNoggin]

Rod: You are now speaking to matters that many of us have been discussing for years.

DFO is NOT a "friend" of any user group beyond FN's. The closures of late are specifically designed to reallocate the fisheries resource from any and all users to FN's only. Period. Already there have been over 50 DFO sanctioned FN openings in the Fraser targeting endangered chinook, and the illegal catch of critically endangered sockeye has topped 10,000 (without any investigation nor charges being laid whatsoever).

https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/PDFs/CeremonialOpeningTimes_Previous.pdf

These closures affect a LOT more area than just the Fraser. Sweeping closures & restrictions offshore effect huge numbers of both recreational and commercial fishing people. Get used to it. In the spirit of reconciliation, the government is handing our resource directly over to one user group, at a cost to all. And regardless of how well you attempt to present the issues (well done video btw) they (the gov) is never going to do anything otherwise.

Get over it. Salmon fishing for the most part is done.

Sadly,
Matt

[skaha]

Thank you Clarki. Very easy to shout "severe mismanagement" from the sidelines.

--Where else are we supposed to shout from...we don't get to review, advise and vote on the management practices...we can only judge from the results.

[skaha]

That's double speak. The Rec sector has been taking South Thompson chinook all along this season...just not in Fraser itself.

--I kinda doubt they have or will harvest the greatest portion of these fish...the smallest quota holder which has the best chance to selectively harvesting only target species and can successfully release by-catch gets the shaft.

[RalphH]

--I kinda doubt they have or will harvest the greatest portion of these fish...the smallest quota holder which has the best chance to selectively harvesting only target species and can successfully release by-catch gets the shaft.

overall 40 to 50% of chinook harvest has been by the Rec sector over the last many years. Excepting the Fraser, FNs take a smaller portion than either the rec or commercial sectors. Proportions will have changed for last year and this year.

[redside1]

That's double speak. The Rec sector has been taking South Thompson chinook all along this season...just not in Fraser itself.

With almost all of the south coast closed until July 15, where abouts have the rec sector been taking these fish all along this season?
Curious on the areas

[RalphH]

With almost all of the south coast closed until July 15, where abouts have the rec sector been taking these fish all along this season?
Curious on the areas

you are aware these fish enter the Fraser mostly late August into September? That leaves a 4 week plus window for exploitation in the ocean plus there was an opening in the interior.

[redside1]

you are aware these fish enter the Fraser mostly late August into September? That leaves a 4 week plus window for exploitation in the ocean plus there was an opening in the interior.

Seeing you used wording of “all along” when at best it was open for 4 weeks in waters a distance away from Georgia straight makes it sound like there was all this plundering going on by the rec sector.
The freshwater opening is well after FN’s have taken 20,000 odd pieces.
If proper counts could happen, I would bet sport kill vs FN’s kill will be pretty equal this year on south Thompson chinooks.

[skaha]

--The quota is not the major concern...its where, how, when it is taken, and what stocks, especially if endangered runs are taken as by-catch.  Extracting target quota from mixed stocks has always been a significant issue. It is much more difficult for Lower Frazer fishers to extract only their thier target quota...we have to figure out how to sucessfully seperate non target stocks or stop fishing.

[dobrolub]

Get over it. Salmon fishing for the most part is done.

Well, the next thing will be taking over your property. This is a trend and it's not going to stop when they take your fishing and hunting away.

[IronNoggin]

Well, the next thing will be taking over your property. This is a trend and it's not going to stop when they take your fishing and hunting away.

While it is indeed a trend, I will never stop fishing, nor hunting, nor give up any property we own.
Ever.
Period.

Nog

[Wiseguy]

DFO is NOT a "friend" of any user group beyond FN's. The closures of late are specifically designed to reallocate the fisheries resource from any and all users to FN's only. Period. Already there have been over 50 DFO sanctioned FN openings in the Fraser targeting endangered chinook, and the illegal catch of critically endangered sockeye has topped 10,000 (without any investigation nor charges being laid whatsoever).



Get over it. Salmon fishing for the most part is done.

Sadly,
Matt

Agree. It’s done on the Fraser River to the recreational sector.

[Hike_and_fish]

Well, the next thing will be taking over your property. This is a trend and it's not going to stop when they take your fishing and hunting away.

This has already happened to farmers in the Chilcotin area. News reports of land being purchased by the province to help settle land agreements with FN groups. One family in particular told the true and stated they had no choice in the matter. Basically expropriation.

[redside1]

Rod: You are now speaking to matters that many of us have been discussing for years.

DFO is NOT a "friend" of any user group beyond FN's. The closures of late are specifically designed to reallocate the fisheries resource from any and all users to FN's only. Period. Already there have been over 50 DFO sanctioned FN openings in the Fraser targeting endangered chinook, and the illegal catch of critically endangered sockeye has topped 10,000 (without any investigation nor charges being laid whatsoever).

https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/PDFs/CeremonialOpeningTimes_Previous.pdf

These closures affect a LOT more area than just the Fraser. Sweeping closures & restrictions offshore effect huge numbers of both recreational and commercial fishing people. Get used to it. In the spirit of reconciliation, the government is handing our resource directly over to one user group, at a cost to all. And regardless of how well you attempt to present the issues (well done video btw) they (the gov) is never going to do anything otherwise.

Get over it. Salmon fishing for the most part is done.

Sadly,
Matt

So at what point do all of us colonials quit doing any salmon enhancement, walk away from pouring money into things like the big bar slide and say “ oh well, too bad for you”.?
Why should I pour any more of my tax dollars Into creating salmon for only one user group to access? 
From what I see The future showing for salmon fishing maybe we should defund anything to do with salmon enhancement and let the chips fall where they may.

[RalphH]

Seeing you used wording of “all along” when at best it was open for 4 weeks in waters a distance away from Georgia straight makes it sound like there was all this plundering going on by the rec sector.
...

LOL! If you'd quote me correctly and completely you would be far less likely to misrepresent what I said and put words in my mouth.

You'd also find additional context in post #34.