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IronNoggin

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Re: Draconian Fisheries Closures
« Reply #195 on: July 12, 2019, 04:38:42 PM »

This government has totally lost it's mind:

Today, the DFO held a press briefing to announce what they billed as “Additional Fisheries Management Measures for Fraser River Chinook stocks, following the recent landslide near Big Bar, north of Lillooet, BC.”

For those sport fishermen planning on fishing the areas opening for retention starting July 15, the announcement boils down to one thing, and one thing only: non-retention of Chinook over 80 cm both wild and hatchery.


https://islandfishermanmagazine.com/dfo-no-retention-of-chinook-over-80-cm/
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Re: Draconian Fisheries Closures
« Reply #196 on: July 12, 2019, 05:17:08 PM »

Wilkinson will simply say there have been no commercial or recreational openings on the Fraser because he knows he can deflect to the Supreme Court rulings on FSC fish openings. Of those more than 90 openings, there have not been a significant number or ‘reported’ catches. Yet there are instances of nets in the river during unopened times that have been reported. I imagine that the DFO is thinking if the ‘official’ FSC openings are reporting low numbers they may be extrapolating the data to the illegal nets to justify a non response. However, at the end of the day, he needs to come clean and simply say, this decision I political, not based on science. The over 80cm hatchery fish we cant retain, are they really headed to the upper Fraser???
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Re: Draconian Fisheries Closures
« Reply #197 on: July 13, 2019, 12:42:21 PM »

“First Nations food, social, ceremonial, fisheries already in place below the landslide will not be affected,”  Thomson says.

"We fully support the call from the Fraser Salmon Management Council that all recreational and commercial fisheries fishing Fraser River salmon stocks immediately stop and any contemplated recreational and commercial fishery, including catch and release, not take place until after it is determined that all salmon have safe access around the slide area and that any such openings only be considered after conservation and First Nations priority needs are met,” says Grand Chief Stewart Phillip in a release.


https://www.citynews1130.com/2019/07/12/fraser-river-fishing-restrictions-in-place-after-rockslide-threatens-spawning-salmon/

The Agenda is quite clear here...

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“Gerald Michel is lands and resources co-ordinator with the Xwisten Indian Band, located downriver from the slide.

His community, already worried about declining salmon stocks, curtailed fishing last week after learning of the slide, Mr. Michel said. The slide has added to worries about the impacts of fish farming on wild stocks,” he said.


https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-rock-slide-along-bcs-fraser-river-cuts-off-salmon-spawning-route/

Interesting. Even the FN's are clear that Wilkinson was LYING when he said no such fisheries had or were taking place...

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Re: Draconian Fisheries Closures
« Reply #198 on: July 13, 2019, 10:07:22 PM »

Maybe if B.C. supported the Trans Mountain Pipe Line the Feds would be more favorable to the fishing.
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Re: Draconian Fisheries Closures
« Reply #199 on: July 15, 2019, 12:00:30 PM »

Maybe if B.C. supported the Trans Mountain Pipe Line the Feds would be more favorable to the fishing.

pipeline is not relevant for salmon regulations. What is relevant is the federal government is now in a consulting process with Fraser first nations and this 80cm max and nothing larger no matter if it is wild or hatchery came from that process.
here is their point of view on what should happen for all fisheries that consume salmon.

https://www.ubcic.bc.ca/fraser_river_salmon_state_of_emergency_bc_first_nations
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Re: Draconian Fisheries Closures
« Reply #200 on: July 15, 2019, 03:24:04 PM »

Quoting from the article

Grand Chief Stewart Phillip, President of the Union of BC Indian Chiefs, stated “The Big Bar rockslide is an extreme crisis for our sacred salmon, and we have a responsibility to look after them. We fully support the call from the Fraser Salmon Management Council (FSMC) that all recreational and commercial fisheries fishing Fraser River salmon stocks immediately stop and any contemplated recreational and commercial fishery, including catch and release, not take place until after it is determined that all salmon have safe access around the slide area and that any such openings only be considered after conservation and First Nations priority needs are met.”

The last line sums its up - doesn't matter the health of the stocks , as long as we get ours
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Re: Draconian Fisheries Closures
« Reply #201 on: July 15, 2019, 05:17:08 PM »

Fish 80cm or smaller do manage to swim through the Chinook gill nets in the Fraser so at least the FN’s are allowing something for the others to catch since they will not gill many of those
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Re: Draconian Fisheries Closures
« Reply #202 on: July 15, 2019, 06:56:31 PM »

Quoting from the article

Grand Chief Stewart Phillip, President of the Union of BC Indian Chiefs, stated “...any such openings only be considered after conservation and First Nations priority needs are met.”


the courts long ago as in decades ago, the specified legal priorities are:

First - Conservation - minimum escapement numbers to maintain viable stocks

Second -  FN FSC fisheries

Third: commercial fishery openings

Fourth: Recreational Fishery openings

So Chief Phillip is just repeating the long established rules that DFO has to follow.
« Last Edit: July 15, 2019, 09:47:48 PM by RalphH »
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Re: Draconian Fisheries Closures
« Reply #203 on: July 15, 2019, 09:47:29 PM »

The Federal Govt. will not leave B.C. unpunished for closing down the pipeline. They are now playing politics with a B.C. resource. Prawn limit reduced. Chinook closure, how much clearer can they make it.
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Re: Draconian Fisheries Closures
« Reply #204 on: July 15, 2019, 09:50:33 PM »

The Federal Govt. will not leave B.C. unpunished for closing down the pipeline. They are now playing politics with a B.C. resource. Prawn limit reduced. Chinook closure, how much clearer can they make it.

if that were true why would they choose such an approach that affected such a small % of BC population and doesn't target those leading the opposition to the pipeline?
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Re: Draconian Fisheries Closures
« Reply #205 on: July 16, 2019, 08:31:19 AM »

the courts long ago as in decades ago, the specified legal priorities are:

First - Conservation - minimum escapement numbers to maintain viable stocks

Second -  FN FSC fisheries

Third: commercial fishery openings

Fourth: Recreational Fishery openings

So Chief Phillip is just repeating the long established rules that DFO has to follow.

I understand that , but my point was , if they are concerned about the health of the salmon stock , they should say that

A statement saying something along the lines of " the federal government should do all they can to clear the slide for the health of the salmon stocks AND for all that use the resource  " would go a long way in my eyes showing that they actually care not just about themselves 
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Re: Draconian Fisheries Closures
« Reply #206 on: July 16, 2019, 08:59:35 AM »

that is what Chief Phillip said if not in the same words.
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Re: Draconian Fisheries Closures
« Reply #207 on: July 16, 2019, 10:55:20 AM »

that is what Chief Phillip said if not in the same words.

Most know the rules that DFO have established  , I guess i don't read it the same way ,  even though he is concerned about the " fragile future " of the stocks , he thinks FN should be able to fish to their allotment and i guess they are allowed , IMO it does not show stewardship of the resource

All good Ralph - just reading it different
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Re: Draconian Fisheries Closures
« Reply #208 on: July 16, 2019, 02:22:55 PM »

And in the latest chapter in this ongoing travesty, DFO is now letting the Musqueam Band have an opening on July 21, Below Port Mann Bridge, for CHUM Salmon. Right. No chum in the system for months to come. Who the hell do they think they are fooling??

https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/HTMLs/CeremonialOpeningTimes_Previous.html

Don't know why they bother with their smoke & mirrors routine, the number of openings on Chinook prior to this one are more than obvious in that last link...

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Re: Draconian Fisheries Closures
« Reply #209 on: July 16, 2019, 02:45:33 PM »

... DFO is now letting the Musqueam Band have an opening on July 21, Below Port Mann Bridge, for CHUM Salmon.

A chum opening? Does that mean that other species by-catch would have to be released?
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