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dave c

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Sockeye question
« on: August 14, 2018, 11:13:35 AM »

On Sunday when cleaning one of my fish i was surprised to see that there was no milt sack or roe present. Ot was a large fish about 8lbs. Was fresh so definitely not spawned out. I wonder why. Any thoughts?
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Re: Sockeye question
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2018, 11:17:12 AM »

That is fascinating.  If this fish was truly without gonads, it is curious that it would still return to the river to spawn.  I had thought other sterile fish tend to stay in the ocean and grow until they die?  Did it have any external indication of sex (i.e. large head, teeth developing, hooked nose developing)?  FWIW, all 8 fish caught in our boat have been bucks this year.
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Re: Sockeye question
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2018, 01:37:46 PM »

A wild triploid salmon? Wow. While possible, it probably doesn't happen often in nature. (DaveB?)

Glad you got it - it found its only meaningful purpose - to be eaten.

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Re: Sockeye question
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2018, 04:58:34 PM »

apparently in Japan - where they have harvest-able populations of chum salmon, gender neutral salmon are highly coveted and extremely rare. They fetch astronomical prices in fish markets.

I have never seen this in well over 50 years of fishing.
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dave c

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Re: Sockeye question
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2018, 08:57:07 PM »

That is fascinating.  If this fish was truly without gonads, it is curious that it would still return to the river to spawn.  I had thought other sterile fish tend to stay in the ocean and grow until they die?  Did it have any external indication of sex (i.e. large head, teeth developing, hooked nose developing)?  FWIW, all 8 fish caught in our boat have been bucks this year.
It was a large bright fish. It was a great fight and i thought it might actually be a spring when bringing it in. Didnt have the beginnings of a hooked snout, so much so i grabbed a ziploc for roe before gutting it. Needless to say i was taken aback when the body cavity was void of any sexual organs
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Re: Sockeye question
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2018, 12:38:51 AM »

Robot fish
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Re: Sockeye question
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2018, 05:20:31 AM »

I highly doubt the fish is a triploid. Natural triploidy is a very rare phenomenon.

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Re: Sockeye question
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2018, 09:57:04 AM »

I have opened thousands of salmon and have never found an adult fish without gonads.  Milo nailed it - it was meant to be eaten.
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milo

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Re: Sockeye question
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2018, 10:17:54 AM »

I highly doubt the fish is a triploid. Natural triploidy is a very rare phenomenon.

What do you think it is then Rod?
Big business experimenting with sockeye sterilization for farming purposes?
A fish farm/hatchery experiment gone awry with the fish escaping the pen?
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dave c

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Re: Sockeye question
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2018, 10:23:45 AM »

I highly doubt the fish is a triploid. Natural triploidy is a very rare phenomenon.
  it was definitely a sockeye. After seeing empty body cavity checked to see if it was an Atlantic salmon. Sockeye for sure.
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dave c

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Re: Sockeye question
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2018, 10:29:05 AM »

Ive always had issues posting photos on this site but if a member wants to send me their email or phone number i will forward a photo for u to post
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milo

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Re: Sockeye question
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2018, 10:42:03 AM »

Ive always had issues posting photos on this site but if a member wants to send me their email or phone number i will forward a photo for u to post

This would indeed be very interesting to see. Feel free to send me the pic(s) to miloilic at hotmail dot com and I will post them via Photobucket.
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dave c

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Re: Sockeye question
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2018, 10:46:42 AM »

This would indeed be very interesting to see. Feel free to send me the pic(s) to miloilic at hotmail dot com and I will post them via Photobucket.
sent milo
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milo

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Re: Sockeye question
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2018, 12:16:19 PM »

So here's the pic of dave c's sockeye:



Handsome fish, but useless alive.

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Re: Sockeye question
« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2018, 12:18:40 PM »

I agree, certainly presents as female.
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