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Author Topic: Any guess why we have a bonanza sockeye year compared to last year?  (Read 18353 times)

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Re: Any guess why we have a bonanza sockeye year compared to last year?
« Reply #45 on: September 03, 2010, 08:46:28 PM »

Ok that is a huge list which you obviously did not edit.  So I skimmed through the titles and see a lot of words like estimates, predictions, forecast,  and I wonder whats in that list of papers has equivalent relevance to the study on orcas and under water noise devices which have not been used in 10 years for they never worked anyway.  And the list is huge and it is a direct reflection on the kind of $$$$ pumped into the de-marketing of farmed salmon.

Many concerned folks have read a the book a stain upon the see.  To learn of false information in this book give this a read: 

http://www.farmfreshsalmon.org/sites/default/files/353.pdf

For a clear and strait forward update on the sea lice issue read this:

http://www.farmfreshsalmon.org/sites/default/files/SeaLouseUpdate2009.pdf


Some information about salmon ranching in alaska and its relationships Look close at the graph:

http://www.farmfreshsalmon.org/blog/alexandra-morton-selective-data-makes-mockery-“science”

http://alaskasalmonranching.wordpress.com/

For information about private funding to Ngo and many interesting relationships there give these a go:

Than there the private american funding information which is really really interesting if you read through it:

http://www.prheadquarters.com/

http://blogs.bclocalnews.com/victoria_secrets/morton-pest-migrates-to-new-post/100

http://alaskasalmonranching.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/fishy-salmon-science-linked-to-alaska-interests/

http://alaskasalmonranching.wordpress.com/2009/09/14/lucile-packard-foundation-ignorant-of-fact/

http://alaskasalmonranching.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/vital-choice-wild-seafood-is-that-really-true/

This one is a must read if you cant stand going through all this and do not forget to see the links at the bottom of the article.

http://www.seafoodsource.com/blogs.aspx?id=4294990619&blogid=4295004788


Enjoy!


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Re: Any guess why we have a bonanza sockeye year compared to last year?
« Reply #46 on: September 03, 2010, 09:34:12 PM »

I think you may need to expand your reading list. Seems like most of the articles you provided are written by the pro-open pen farmers. :o  

I find the argument that BC's fish farms can't be that bad because Alaska's salmon ranching is worse to be a little ridiculous.....


Maybe you should read a few from Jon5hill's list......  :-\
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Re: Any guess why we have a bonanza sockeye year compared to last year?
« Reply #47 on: September 03, 2010, 09:44:18 PM »

The weak sources you listed are WEBSITES - NOT academic literature - from salmon farming industry proponents, funded by Marine Harvest, Grieg, Cermaq, and likely other aquaculture conglomerates. Of course they are going to have a bunch of tripe on the internet denouncing the science and refuting all claims to the contrary of their industry. It would be suicidal for a business to not act in self defense if their money-making machines are being threatened to be shut down. There is no big room with a round table with devious scientists plotting the collapse of the fish farming industry so that Alaskan wild fish increase in value. This is hogwash, and you're beating around the bush by not outright declaring that is what you believe in. It's conspiracy-theorist nonsense.

The farm fresh salmon website is handled largely by Cory Percevault, Plant Manager at Noboco’s Coulter Road plant in Campbell River. Would it make sense for Mr. Percevault to potentially lose his job by not defending it? It's a cut-throat world. I imagine you've spent time working on the farms and have pent up resentment about the anti-farming activists and all these ridiculous references you're citing are your way of helping yourself sleep at night. Rationalize it to yourself all you want if it makes you feel better, but don't go spewing your corporate rhetoric as if it were even remotely honest and true because it's not. It's unscientific and completely dishonest.

Think for yourself, just like many of the independent scientists whose research indicates ecological problems with aquaculture. Many of these scientists were funded by NSERC (Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council), which is about as independent as it comes.
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Re: Any guess why we have a bonanza sockeye year compared to last year?
« Reply #48 on: September 03, 2010, 10:34:18 PM »

I think you may need to expand your reading list. Seems like most of the articles you provided are written by the pro-open pen farmers. :o 

I find the argument that BC's fish farms can't be that bad because Alaska's salmon ranching is worse to be a little ridiculous.....


Maybe you should read a few from Jon5hill's list......  :-\

And 5hills list is funded by who??   

I can admit that this debate is a two way street but some(2) clearly do not so there is no discussion here and it is pointless.  You have shined your true colors for all (which isn't really much) to see and that is good enough for me.  You did not read my posts as I did not search out all your information to read cuz I do not have 2-3 years to wade through that list.  I never denied any single bit of information you post but you chronically deny every spec of mine.  For this reason IMO you represent your cause poorly...shame cuz your a smart guy except for the part where you hold yourself as all knowing and the belittling Rod  would mention and have to delete.  He did you a favor there by the way, its embarrassing. 

  Have fun with that last word.  I know you want it soooo bad.


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Re: Any guess why we have a bonanza sockeye year compared to last year?
« Reply #49 on: September 06, 2010, 05:25:58 PM »

Since you've asked for guesses - mine is that many of the fish we're seeing a 5 year olds that stayed out in the ocean an extra year.  The returns are more similar to 2005 than to 2006.


I thought that might be the case too. If so then the average size should be much bigger since they have been feeding a year longer. Is that so?
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