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[Hike_and_fish]

Ok. You all changed my mind. I'll sign up and get the shot. I'll be a good citizen and do my part. A vaccine that has been tested on the public for less than a year ? Sounds safe to me ! Shoot me up now !

[Roderick]

Good for you!  Until your last post I really didn't think your mind could change, no matter how many facts were presented.

[longrifle]

Well, since we are talking facts, here are some for ya to consider:
 
* Moderna has been around for a decade and they have never had a vaccine approved for use by the US FDA
* The 'vaccines' that are being deployed are experimental trial vaccines (which is running until 2023) which have been approved for emergency use only
* Vaccine development normally takes between 5 and 10 years
* Covid vaccines skipped the animal testing phase, which is where long term effects are studied
* Those who have been fully (or partially) vaccinated are still getting covid, can still pass it along to others and some have died
* Vaccine recipients are having severe reactions up to and including death
* NACI has stated that their preferred vaccines are Pfizer and Moderna, and to wait for those if you can...The gov't retorts with all vaccines are safe and they urge you take the first one offered to you
* The survival rate if one does get covid, even if you happen to be in the most vulnerable demographic (80 plus years old with multiple co-morbities) averages out to around 99 percent
* Only 2.5 percent of 'covid caused deaths' in BC/AB can be attributed solely to covid
* Bonnie Henry implemented a mask mandate on the citizens of BC in November 2020 due to pressure received from the retail market, not because 'the science' indicated to do so
* US CDC released a study indicating that masks decreased covid transmission rates by a WHOPPING 1.8 percent (btw the study also stated that indoor dining in restaurants increased covid transmission rates by a whopping 1.6 percent)
* People die, on average 107 in BC, 780 across the nation and globally 150,000 people die each day, yet when two people die with covid in BC, Bonnie says shes sorry to those who have lost loved one to covid. What about the families of the other 105?
* The MSM has been bought by the government (covid bail out packages)
* Shockingly, the MSM lies
* Shockingly, your government lies to its citizens...the mighty PM has been convicted of multiple ethics violations
* Horgan called an early election to capitalize on an opportunity to get a majority government during a deadly pandemic (and it worked)
* Experts in Canada are now saying that even with vaccination herd immunity won't be achieved and that Canadians are going to have to learn to live with covid
* If you turned off your TV, phone and there wasn't a mask mandate in indoor public places, the average citizen wouldn't know that there was a pandemic


'rifle

[RalphH]

None of that crap is facts, it's hearsay.

You better tell the CDC that the Moderna vaccine is not approved for use:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/Moderna.html

Moderna was founded in 2010 has over 240 international patents and has a capitalized value of 5.25 billion US and no debt on it's books

https://www.modernatx.com/about-us/moderna-facts

https://www.modernatx.com/about-us/modernas-key-milestones-and-advancements


All the PHOs recommended the use of face masks at about  the same time

animal testing always precede human trials

severe reactions are known with all vaccines and are usually associated with allergic reactions. That's why it's recommended to wait at the site after a flu shot for example

The science behind face masks:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8

the science supports using masks, with recent studies suggesting that they could save lives in different ways: research shows that they cut down the chances of both transmitting and catching the coronavirus, and some studies hint that masks might reduce the severity of infection if people do contract the disease.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

Both the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the World Health Organization now recommend cloth masks for the general public... health experts say the evidence is clear that masks can help prevent the spread of COVID-19 and that the more people wearing masks, the better.

the strongest evidence in favor of masks come from studies of real-world scenarios. “The most important thing are the epidemiologic data,” said Rutherford. Because it would be unethical to assign people to not wear a mask during a pandemic, the epidemiological evidence has come from so-called “experiments of nature.”

A recent study published in Health Affairs, for example, compared the COVID-19 growth rate before and after mask mandates in 15 states and the District of Columbia. It found that mask mandates led to a slowdown in daily COVID-19 growth rate, which became more apparent over time. The first five days after a mandate, the daily growth rate slowed by 0.9 percentage-points [per day] compared to the five days prior to the mandate; at three weeks, the daily growth rate had slowed by 2 percentage-points.

Two compelling case reports also suggest that masks can prevent transmission in high-risk scenarios, said Chin-Hong and Rutherford. In one case, a man flew from China to Toronto and subsequently tested positive for COVID-19. He had a dry cough and wore a mask on the flight, and all 25 people closest to him on the flight tested negative for COVID-19. In another case, in late May, two hair stylists in Missouri had close contact with 140 clients while sick with COVID-19. Everyone wore a mask and none of the clients tested positive.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html

Human Studies of Masking and SARS-CoV-2 Transmission

Data regarding the “real-world” effectiveness of community masking are limited to observational and epidemiological studies.

    An investigation of a high-exposure event, in which 2 symptomatically ill hair stylists interacted for an average of 15 minutes with each of 139 clients during an 8-day period, found that none of the 67 clients who subsequently consented to an interview and testing developed infection. The stylists and all clients universally wore masks in the salon as required by local ordinance and company policy at the time.36
    In a study of 124 Beijing households with > 1 laboratory-confirmed case of SARS-CoV-2 infection, mask use by the index patient and family contacts before the index patient developed symptoms reduced secondary transmission within the households by 79%.
    A retrospective case-control study from Thailand documented that, among more than 1,000 persons interviewed as part of contact tracing investigations, those who reported having always worn a mask during high-risk exposures experienced a greater than 70% reduced risk of acquiring infection compared with persons who did not wear masks under these circumstances.
    A study of an outbreak aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt, an environment notable for congregate living quarters and close working environments, found that use of face coverings on-board was associated with a 70% reduced risk.
    Investigations involving infected passengers aboard flights longer than 10 hours strongly suggest that masking prevented in-flight transmissions, as demonstrated by the absence of infection developing in other passengers and crew in the 14 days following exposure.

[Fish Assassin]

Well, since we are talking facts, here are some for ya to consider:
 
* Moderna has been around for a decade and they have never had a vaccine approved for use by the US FDA
* The 'vaccines' that are being deployed are experimental trial vaccines (which is running until 2023) which have been approved for emergency use only
* Vaccine development normally takes between 5 and 10 years
* Covid vaccines skipped the animal testing phase, which is where long term effects are studied
* Those who have been fully (or partially) vaccinated are still getting covid, can still pass it along to others and some have died
* Vaccine recipients are having severe reactions up to and including death
* NACI has stated that their preferred vaccines are Pfizer and Moderna, and to wait for those if you can...The gov't retorts with all vaccines are safe and they urge you take the first one offered to you
* The survival rate if one does get covid, even if you happen to be in the most vulnerable demographic (80 plus years old with multiple co-morbities) averages out to around 99 percent
* Only 2.5 percent of 'covid caused deaths' in BC/AB can be attributed solely to covid
* Bonnie Henry implemented a mask mandate on the citizens of BC in November 2020 due to pressure received from the retail market, not because 'the science' indicated to do so
* US CDC released a study indicating that masks decreased covid transmission rates by a WHOPPING 1.8 percent (btw the study also stated that indoor dining in restaurants increased covid transmission rates by a whopping 1.6 percent)
* People die, on average 107 in BC, 780 across the nation and globally 150,000 people die each day, yet when two people die with covid in BC, Bonnie says shes sorry to those who have lost loved one to covid. What about the families of the other 105?
* The MSM has been bought by the government (covid bail out packages)
* Shockingly, the MSM lies
* Shockingly, your government lies to its citizens...the mighty PM has been convicted of multiple ethics violations
* Horgan called an early election to capitalize on an opportunity to get a majority government during a deadly pandemic (and it worked)
* Experts in Canada are now saying that even with vaccination herd immunity won't be achieved and that Canadians are going to have to learn to live with covid
* If you turned off your TV, phone and there wasn't a mask mandate in indoor public places, the average citizen wouldn't know that there was a pandemic


'rifle

A lot of BS for your 2nd post.

[longrifle]

Have a look Ralph, pay particular attention to the bold prose in the last paragraph:

https://www.fda.gov/media/144638/download

FACT SHEET FOR RECIPIENTS AND CAREGIVERS
EMERGENCY USE AUTHORIZATION (EUA) OF THE MODERNA COVID-19 VACCINE TO PREVENT CORONAVIRUS DISEASE 2019 (COVID-19) IN INDIVIDUALS 18 YEARS OF AGE AND OLDER

You are being offered the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine to prevent Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by SARS-CoV-2. This Fact Sheet contains information to help you understand the risks and benefits of the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine, which you may receive because there is currently a pandemic of COVID-19. The Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine is a vaccine and may prevent you from getting COVID-19. There is no U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved vaccine to prevent COVID-19.

Read this Fact Sheet for information about the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine. Talk to the vaccination provider if you have questions. It is your choice to receive the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine.The Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine is administered as a2-  dose series, 1 month apart, into the muscle. The Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine may not protect everyone.

This Fact Sheet may have been updated. For the most recent Fact Sheet, please visit www.modernatx.com/covid19vaccine-eua.

WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW BEFORE YOU GET THIS VACCINE WHAT IS COVID-19?COVID-19 is caused by a coronavirus called SARS-CoV-2. This type of coronavirus has not been seen before. You can get COVID-19 through contact with another person who has the virus. It is predominantly a respiratory illness that can affect other organs. People with COVID-19 have had a wide range of symptoms reported, ranging from mild symptoms to severe illness. Symptoms may appear 2 to 14 days after exposure to the virus. Symptoms may include: fever or chills; cough; shortness of breath; fatigue; muscle or body aches; headache; new loss of taste or smell; sore throat; congestion or runny nose; nausea or vomiting; diarrhea.

WHAT IS THE MODERNA COVID-19 VACCINE? The Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine is an unapproved vaccine that may prevent COVID-19. There is no FDA-approved vaccine to prevent COVID-19. The FDA has authorized the emergency use of the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine to prevent COVID-19 in individuals 18 years of age and older under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA). For more information on EUA, see the “What is an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA)?” section at the end of this Fact Sheet.

Revised: Mar/26/2021


That's one Ralph and I can assure you the rest of my points are facts as well. So, exactly who is posting crap and hearsay?


'rifle

[RalphH]

might help if you were to provide the info that applies to Canada rather than that for a foreign country:

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-health-products/covid19-industry/drugs-vaccines-treatments/vaccines/moderna.html

The Moderna COVID-19 vaccine (mRNA-1273) is used to prevent COVID-19. This disease is caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2).

The vaccine is approved for people who are 18 years of age and older. Its safety and effectiveness in people younger than 18 years of age have not yet been established...

That's one Ralph and I can assure you the rest of my points are facts as well. So, exactly who is posting crap and hearsay?

you are - supporting a little piece of one claim is crap and hearsay.

[Roderick]

Whew! What a list!

Ok lets start at the top.

Re. Moderna: Is that the only bad thing you can say about them? Cmon you can do better then that.
Re. Emergency approval: True.  Usually the FDA takes their sweet time to look over the data from a phase 3 trial before finally coming to a decision.  This time they got off their bureaucratic asses in record time. 
Re. 5-10 years is normal. True.  We are very fortunate that BioNTech, Moderna, and others had been studying the original SARS virus (SARS CoV1) for the last 10 years.  Without that, it would have been at least 5 years for an effective vaccine. 
Re. Animal tests: It was the first thing they did.  Remember "long term" for a rat is 90 days.
Re. Severe reactions: Anaphylactic reactions can be dealt with easily if you are looking for it. The blood clots are 1 in a million, way safer then driving to the rifle range with all those idiots on the road lol.
Re. Survival rate 99%:  False.  The death rate right now is around 2% world wide (20x more then flu), down from around 4% a few months ago.  That's with medical care for the worst cases.  If the medical system collapsed like it did in India, mortality would go way up.
Re. 2.5% Deaths solely caused by covid: True.  But the other 97.5% would probably not have immediately died if they didn't have covid. 
Re. Masks and social distancing: I think the most telling thing is that there has been virtually no influenza cases this year compared to years with no mask mandate. Flu and covid spread in a similar way. 
Re. Average 107 deaths per day in BC: Ya we've had a lot of gun violence lately.  Who is going to apologize for that, you?
I'm going to skip the political BS because it's obvious that you will never criticize Jason Kenney even though Alberta currently has one of the highest infection rates per capita in the world.
Re. Herd immunity: If we could vaccinate the whole world right now we might get herd immunity.  Then again we might not.  It took many years to eliminate small pox and polio, even with vaccines.  And flu has been around and will continue to be around probably for ever.  I think we can assume that masks are the new normal. Get used to it. 
Re. If you turned off your TV and phone...:  Well eventually everyone heard about small pox and spanish flu... if they survived it. 

Good list.  You got it mostly right 

[Hike_and_fish]

Well, since we are talking facts, here are some for ya to consider:
 
* Moderna has been around for a decade and they have never had a vaccine approved for use by the US FDA
* The 'vaccines' that are being deployed are experimental trial vaccines (which is running until 2023) which have been approved for emergency use only
* Vaccine development normally takes between 5 and 10 years
* Covid vaccines skipped the animal testing phase, which is where long term effects are studied
* Those who have been fully (or partially) vaccinated are still getting covid, can still pass it along to others and some have died
* Vaccine recipients are having severe reactions up to and including death
* NACI has stated that their preferred vaccines are Pfizer and Moderna, and to wait for those if you can...The gov't retorts with all vaccines are safe and they urge you take the first one offered to you
* The survival rate if one does get covid, even if you happen to be in the most vulnerable demographic (80 plus years old with multiple co-morbities) averages out to around 99 percent
* Only 2.5 percent of 'covid caused deaths' in BC/AB can be attributed solely to covid
* Bonnie Henry implemented a mask mandate on the citizens of BC in November 2020 due to pressure received from the retail market, not because 'the science' indicated to do so
* US CDC released a study indicating that masks decreased covid transmission rates by a WHOPPING 1.8 percent (btw the study also stated that indoor dining in restaurants increased covid transmission rates by a whopping 1.6 percent)
* People die, on average 107 in BC, 780 across the nation and globally 150,000 people die each day, yet when two people die with covid in BC, Bonnie says shes sorry to those who have lost loved one to covid. What about the families of the other 105?
* The MSM has been bought by the government (covid bail out packages)
* Shockingly, the MSM lies
* Shockingly, your government lies to its citizens...the mighty PM has been convicted of multiple ethics violations
* Horgan called an early election to capitalize on an opportunity to get a majority government during a deadly pandemic (and it worked)
* Experts in Canada are now saying that even with vaccination herd immunity won't be achieved and that Canadians are going to have to learn to live with covid
* If you turned off your TV, phone and there wasn't a mask mandate in indoor public places, the average citizen wouldn't know that there was a pandemic


'rifle

This. Thank you for speaking the truth bother. May peace be with you.

[cutthroat22]

Live your life boys and gals.  Get the shot if you want but go fishing.  Wherever you want, with everyone you want.  Make your own decisions. This whole thing (from my view) has been literal "more harm from cure than disease."    Have a nice day 

[hammer]

Rifle,
I can assure you, that as an essential service worker, the vast majority of people are well aware we are in a pandemic even without a cell phone and T.V. Most, if not not all British Columbians now know someone who has either died or had some serious symptoms from covid. If you are questioning the general efficacy of an albeit newly developed vaccine, I would look at the inverse correlational drop between the number of people vaccinated and the indicators of covid prevalence like case counts and positivity rates. It seems you have a particular political view and understanding of our situation and have “cherry picked” a string of information that is mostly either untrue or taken out of context in order to create a narrative that fits your thinking. Which, of course, you are entitled to do so but bare in mind, this type of thinking puts people other than yourself at risk.

[RalphH]

Little wonder that the panademic has been much harder to control than most people expected. Certainly has been a Cluster F almost exclusively to dim witted politiciians, ignorant self interested members of the public  and the anti-vaccine crowd. Most countries where there has been hard lock downs basically escaped or got rid of it without vaccines. The harm could have been avoided.

[longrifle]

Rifle,
I can assure you, that as an essential service worker, the vast majority of people are well aware we are in a pandemic even without a cell phone and T.V. Most, if not not all British Columbians now know someone who has either died or had some serious symptoms from covid. If you are questioning the general efficacy of an albeit newly developed vaccine, I would look at the inverse correlational drop between the number of people vaccinated and the indicators of covid prevalence like case counts and positivity rates. It seems you have a particular political view and understanding of our situation and have “cherry picked” a string of information that is mostly either untrue or taken out of context in order to create a narrative that fits your thinking. Which, of course, you are entitled to do so but bare in mind, this type of thinking puts people other than yourself at risk.

Ham,

So, you are stating that in a province of 5.1 million people, that almost everyone knows one of the 1667 people that have died or one of the 7133 people that have been hospitalized by covid?? You may want to have a look at those numbers and think about your statement...I know five people that have knowingly had covid and fortunately none of them experienced any serious symptoms, nor do any of my friends know of anyone who has died from covid or had any serious symptoms.   

In the graph below, what caused the downward trends in case numbers etc during the first and second waves? We all know there weren't any vaccines available then, correct? Can you state with one hundred percent certainty that the vaccines are causing the current downward trend??



If you would be so kind as to point out which points that I posted are untrue or taken out of context it would be greatly appreciated. Finally, what exactly is my narrative? Thanks in advance.


'rifle

[RalphH]

If you would be so kind as to point out which points that I posted are untrue or taken out of context it would be greatly appreciated. Finally, what exactly is my narrative? Thanks in advance.


'rifle

pretty much all of them were untrue, misleading, out of context or some other distortion of facts.

Even your reference to the death and hospitalizations in BC is misleading. As if most or all of us don't know people who live somewhere out of Province who have been affected.

[longrifle]

might help if you were to provide the info that applies to Canada rather than that for a foreign country:

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-health-products/covid19-industry/drugs-vaccines-treatments/vaccines/moderna.html


you are - supporting a little piece of one claim is crap and hearsay.

Ralphie ol' chap, way to change the question after you are proved wrong...Oh well, no matter, here is the supporting document that shows the vaccine is only approved on an emergency basis in Canada, just like it is in the USA.


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Updated requirements for COVID-19 drug authorizations: Notice

From: Health Canada

Date published: March 31, 2021

The COVID-19 pandemic posed an immediate and significant risk to the health and safety of Canadians. To address the public health need in Canada, it was necessary to expedite the authorization of drugs and vaccines for COVID-19.
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    ISAD IO in effect until September 16, 2021
    Amended Food and Drug Regulations replace ISAD IO

ISAD IO in effect until September 16, 2021

The Minister of Health-approved interim order to import, sell and advertise drugs during COVID-19 took effect on September 16, 2020. This interim order, known as ISAD IO, provided a temporary emergency authorization for COVID-19 drugs to address the pandemic.

The ISAD IO introduced temporary regulatory tools to expedite the authorization and licensing for importing, selling and advertising COVID-19-related drugs and vaccines without compromising standards for patient safety. Please refer to the Information and application requirements for drugs authorized under the interim order guidance document.

The ISAD IO ends on September 16, 2021.


https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-health-products/covid19-industry/drugs-vaccines-treatments/updated-requirements-drug-authorization-notice.html

So Ralph, would you like to switch to another country and try again??

Once again, who exactly is spreading crap and hearsay??


'rifle