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[salmonrook]

Still maintain that they should close the Canal to fishing altogether, whats happening there now is not considered fishing .
Agree with others here about the behaviour , I cant even drive by an look at this gong show without becoming angry .
They should even institute a aptitude test about the species and hold a draw similiar to hunting .
 Enforcement is almost impossible with the lack of resources and sheer number of violators .
This resource must not be wasted on people who have no respect for it .
The hatchery workers go through a lot of work to produce these fish plus the time and effort that the fish take to mature in the ocean to become this great resource .

[SuperBobby]

Still maintain that they should close the Canal to fishing altogether, whats happening there now is not considered fishing .

This is the dumbest thing I've read on the internet this morning and we're barely past 9AM.

I cant even drive by an look at this gong show without becoming angry .

And of course the follow up of what the real underlying issue is.

[RalphH]

well DFO has certainly closed sections of the Vedder/Chilliwack in the face of flagrant snagging of wild populations of sockeye let alone what's happened on the Fraser so I don't think it's unreasonable or dumb to suggest closures. Problem is those people will just move  to some other open part of the river.

Much of this is of "our" own making. The massive enhancement far beyond what's needed to support tidewater and freshwater fisheries of all type plus the over promotion of those same fisheries. It's no longer a 'sport' in the old sense of the word and just a money making machine.

[roeman]

Still maintain that they should close the Canal to fishing altogether, whats happening there now is not considered fishing .

While I can't fish with extreme crowds, that like saying close Coquihalla because of the excess speeding that is happening. I really don't think it is about education, I would like to see enforcement everyday on the rivers, 1000 dollar fine and all fishing gear confiscated, fines would more than pay their salary . No second chances.  Assuming most people get their licenses online.  Have a couple of statements at the bottom before you can hit the purchase button that you must respond to.  I will not snag fish, keep more fish than my limit, I will keep fish in the water as much as possible, and what ever other statement they want to add.  Only then the purchase bottom is activated.  Problem solved.  No excuses for stupidity.  Education is too slow and people don't care.  Would love the here a person go home and explain to their other half that they got a 1000 dollar fine and all fishing gear taken away.  Fixed in one season.. 

[RalphH]

While I can't fish with extreme crowds, that like saying close Coquihalla because of the excess speeding that is happening. I really don't think it is about education, I would like to see enforcement everyday on the rivers, 1000 dollar fine and all fishing gear confiscated, fines would more than pay their salary . No second chances.  Assuming most people get their licenses online.  Have a couple of statements at the bottom before you can hit the purchase button that you must respond to.  I will not snag fish, keep more fish than my limit, I will keep fish in the water as much as possible, and what ever other statement they want to add.  Only then the purchase bottom is activated.  Problem solved.  No excuses for stupidity.  Education is too slow and people don't care.  Would love the here a person go home and explain to their other half that they got a 1000 dollar fine and all fishing gear taken away.  Fixed in one season..

those are very good suggestions.

In the GVRD if you have an indoor wood burning appliance or fireplace you now have to agree to a best practices agreement to use it. Not much different and little or now "education" required. Easy peasy.

[clarki]

And of course the follow up of what the real underlying issue is.

I’m curious what you think the real underlying issue is, SB?

[SuperBobby]

I’m curious what you think the real underlying issue is, SB?

Do I really need to spell it out for you?

He says it makes him angry when he 'drives by'. I'm not sure how good his eyesight is or how bad mine is, but there is no way I can tell from 'driving by' the Canal that people are snagging. Although it's probably a 'correct' assumption....it's still an assumption. 'Driving by', is NOT going to confirm whether someone down there is snagging or not.

As for the 'underlying issue', life is WAY TOO SHORT to get 'angry' over what 'might' be taking place on the Chilliwack/Vedder. For him it shows a 'lack of self control' as well as a desire to 'be in control' of an impossible situation. He can't control the snagging or whatever else is going on down there... so it makes him angry. Not sure about you, but there is no way, I'm going to let a crowded river make me angry or ruin my day as I drive by. It is what it is.

[SuperBobby]

While I can't fish with extreme crowds, that like saying close Coquihalla because of the excess speeding that is happening. I really don't think it is about education, I would like to see enforcement everyday on the rivers, 1000 dollar fine and all fishing gear confiscated, fines would more than pay their salary . No second chances.  Assuming most people get their licenses online.  Have a couple of statements at the bottom before you can hit the purchase button that you must respond to.  I will not snag fish, keep more fish than my limit, I will keep fish in the water as much as possible, and what ever other statement they want to add.  Only then the purchase bottom is activated.  Problem solved.  No excuses for stupidity.  Education is too slow and people don't care.  Would love the here a person go home and explain to their other half that they got a 1000 dollar fine and all fishing gear taken away.  Fixed in one season..

Well said, although the text I bolded 'should' be enough.

[Roderick]

This is exactly how I imagine the FN have felt about us for the last few centuries.  We came in and destroyed whole runs with our pollution and our dams.  For those of us that are white, we left Europe in very bad shape, with only a few fish left. I was just reading about how some of the first settlers used dynamite to kill herring in Burrard Inlet ffs.  I'm sure it made the FN very angry to see us mistreat the fish. 

It's easy to get angry about overcrowding and unsportsmanlike fishing, but as Superbobby said, life is too short.   With education and patience we can teach the newbies what it took us generations to learn:  that the fish are precious and deserve our respect.

[RalphH]

👍

[roeman]

This is exactly how I imagine the FN have felt about us for the last few centuries.  We came in and destroyed whole runs with our pollution and our dams.

OMG, get over it. Its in the past. I had nothing to do with what "white people" did to FN, neither did may parents or grand parents, 150 years of  my family tree did nothing.  What happened is of course extremely wrong but you can't expect the gov't to continue to give handouts to the future generations of FN.  The ones it has affected sure. But that should be the end of it. On the news a couple nights ago was a pow wow at a FN residential school that was being demolished and there were many FN in attendance,, Why???  If I was raped and beaten at a school when I was young that would be the last place I would want to visit, no matter what was happening to the building.  Its all for show and media attention.  Oh no we were wronged we need more money.  Would not be surprised if there are tolls put on highways because FN at one point had a celebration at that spot. 
Went for a hike on the Chehalis river yesterday and there was a person in a vehicle sitting there all day just accross the bridge refusing entry to the canyon section.  Wonder who paid for that vehicle and who pays the person inside.  What a joke.  But lets just keep bending over.

[clarki]

Do I really need to spell it out for you?

I can be quite obtuse. Thanks for the clarification.

[RalphH]

OMG, get over it. Its in the past. I had nothing to do with what "white people" did to FN, neither did may parents or grand parents, [yada yada]

I think his point is now it's fat white guys who are getting replaced...oh don't get mad, get over it guys! Go fish in the interior the lake fishing is fabulous and the lakes are all but absent of Asian anglers! (and white guys too!)

[SuperBobby]

The last few days, Jay has totally been trolling the Facebook crowd. It's sad how gullible the haters are. He's posting pictures of chum he caught in previous years calling them 'northern Coho', and they are ready to hang him for it. The internet wins this week.

[GordJ]

I think his point is now it's fat white guys who are getting replaced...oh don't get mad, get over it guys! Go fish in the interior the lake fishing is fabulous and the lakes are all but absent of Asian anglers! (and white guys too!)

Don’t bet on it. I just got back from the Atnarko and Bella Coola and there was a group if about 10 Filipinos that had travelled out from Williams Lake. Great bunch to share a campsite with and when we walked into a run they let me go first! Now it may have been because of the bear sighting, I definitely would have been the slowest of the group. Anybody that drives 5 hours to sleep in a tent in a rainforest is okay with me.