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[Darko]

Behold, the culmination of my comments!
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=45341.msg429839#new
The Vedder canal is now the official backdrop for a Facebook salmon snagging flex-fest, where the only thing being caught is a collective lapse in judgment. The harvester hive mind grows stronger by the day, and their apologists were gravely mistaken as I predicted.

Their strength in numbers makes them utterly brazen and tough to intimidate. We've moved past a conservation issue and into a cultural one, where blatant harvest is not just accepted, but celebrated with a digital round of applause.

The core of this issue isn't a lack of communication, but a total misalignment of values and end goals. We are speaking the language of sportfishing, while they only respond to the calculus of social clout and a full cooler. The harvesters can now only be stopped by force and actual punishment, a concept that is foreign to our current enforcement measures. We're trying to fight this fight with a feather duster when what's needed is a sledgehammer.

Until the consequences for this behavior become immediate, severe, and highly visible, our complaints are just background noise to their victory posts.

The fish are so systematically abused they've developed full-blown piscine PTSD. And the cherry on top of this disaster? The low river levels are our new permanent reality. So, prepare, because this conundrum isn't just continuing, it's curating a whole collection of "Worse and Worse" seasons to come.

[Plshelpnoobhere]

SEAs come from countries with destroyed rivers and are now doing the sane thing to the rivers here.

Like some other said, up the licence prices, mandate licence exams, and vastly increase patrols. Hell, give ticketing power to some avid anglers that need to pass a stringent exam to get this power. I see snaggers a lot and would love to rip them a new one

[avid angler]

Behold, the culmination of my comments!
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=45341.msg429839#new
The Vedder canal is now the official backdrop for a Facebook salmon snagging flex-fest, where the only thing being caught is a collective lapse in judgment. The harvester hive mind grows stronger by the day, and their apologists were gravely mistaken as I predicted.

Their strength in numbers makes them utterly brazen and tough to intimidate. We've moved past a conservation issue and into a cultural one, where blatant harvest is not just accepted, but celebrated with a digital round of applause.

The core of this issue isn't a lack of communication, but a total misalignment of values and end goals. We are speaking the language of sportfishing, while they only respond to the calculus of social clout and a full cooler. The harvesters can now only be stopped by force and actual punishment, a concept that is foreign to our current enforcement measures. We're trying to fight this fight with a feather duster when what's needed is a sledgehammer.

Until the consequences for this behavior become immediate, severe, and highly visible, our complaints are just background noise to their victory posts.

The fish are so systematically abused they've developed full-blown piscine PTSD. And the cherry on top of this disaster? The low river levels are our new permanent reality. So, prepare, because this conundrum isn't just continuing, it's curating a whole collection of "Worse and Worse" seasons to come.

You haven’t been around nearly long enough to make these kinds of statements.

[MetalAndFeathers]

Behold, the culmination of my comments!
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=45341.msg429839#new
The Vedder canal is now the official backdrop for a Facebook salmon snagging flex-fest, where the only thing being caught is a collective lapse in judgment. The harvester hive mind grows stronger by the day, and their apologists were gravely mistaken as I predicted.

Their strength in numbers makes them utterly brazen and tough to intimidate. We've moved past a conservation issue and into a cultural one, where blatant harvest is not just accepted, but celebrated with a digital round of applause.

The core of this issue isn't a lack of communication, but a total misalignment of values and end goals. We are speaking the language of sportfishing, while they only respond to the calculus of social clout and a full cooler. The harvesters can now only be stopped by force and actual punishment, a concept that is foreign to our current enforcement measures. We're trying to fight this fight with a feather duster when what's needed is a sledgehammer.

Until the consequences for this behavior become immediate, severe, and highly visible, our complaints are just background noise to their victory posts.

The fish are so systematically abused they've developed full-blown piscine PTSD. And the cherry on top of this disaster? The low river levels are our new permanent reality. So, prepare, because this conundrum isn't just continuing, it's curating a whole collection of "Worse and Worse" seasons to come.

Are you trying to imply that kasnaggers are the first group to only fish the vedder to limit out? I thought that’s what everyone is there to do?

Also nice use of ai lol

[GordJ]

Behold, the culmination of my comments!
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=45341.msg429839#new
The Vedder canal is now the official backdrop for a Facebook salmon snagging flex-fest, where the only thing being caught is a collective lapse in judgment. The harvester hive mind grows stronger by the day, and their apologists were gravely mistaken as I predicted.

Their strength in numbers makes them utterly brazen and tough to intimidate. We've moved past a conservation issue and into a cultural one, where blatant harvest is not just accepted, but celebrated with a digital round of applause.

The core of this issue isn't a lack of communication, but a total misalignment of values and end goals. We are speaking the language of sportfishing, while they only respond to the calculus of social clout and a full cooler. The harvesters can now only be stopped by force and actual punishment, a concept that is foreign to our current enforcement measures. We're trying to fight this fight with a feather duster when what's needed is a sledgehammer.

Until the consequences for this behavior become immediate, severe, and highly visible, our complaints are just background noise to their victory posts.

The fish are so systematically abused they've developed full-blown piscine PTSD. And the cherry on top of this disaster? The low river levels are our new permanent reality. So, prepare, because this conundrum isn't just continuing, it's curating a whole collection of "Worse and Worse" seasons to come.

It is hard to comment without getting too harsh. After this group was brought to my attention I have been following them and I love their enthusiasm for the sport. They are attacked by racist fools like the OP constantly and it just rolls off of their backs. From what I can see their worst trait is that they go fishing too often and I, like so many, am jealous. But their best trait is the ability to troll the sheep very, very effectively as evidenced by the OP. I am pretty sure that the first rule of poaching and snagging is that you don't brag and post your picture on the internet.

[Phronesis]

I saw something that is a new low for Vedder - completely insane.

Few days ago, I was at upper canal in the morning where I saw anglers decently spaced out (I am talking atleast 20 feet of distance). Weather was sunny and you could clearly see the fish travel up and down. after some time 4-5 anglers showed up and squeezed themselves in. One of them started shouting and running behind the school of coho and started snagging them left and right - soon others who came together with him started doing the same, they all were screaming and running up and down following the school, snagging them with long leaders !! WTF?!? Utter disregard of other fellow anglers too, they would run and stand in front of you, cast right in if there was a school, snag and if they lose it, they run again !!

I have never seen people running behind the fish on Vedder. I wouldnt even call this harvest fishery, its buffoonery.

[SuperBobby]

I find it interesting when people get all strung out over the 'Kasnaggers' page.
They are totally trolling people and people take the bait and get riled up.

I've personally watched Jay fish and I have seen that he short floats roe and soft beads exactly the same way I do. He isn't snagging fish.
People are just jealous that he gets his fish most of the time.

[psd1179]

I find it interesting when people get all strung out over the 'Kasnaggers' page.
They are totally trolling people and people take the bait and get riled up.

I've personally watched Jay fish and I have seen that he short floats roe and soft beads exactly the same way I do. He isn't snagging fish.
People are just jealous that he gets his fish most of the time.

Did you turn on the audio? You can really hear how loud they are — it’s something different in the culture.

[GordJ]

I can remember a time way back in the 20th Century when a little guy was just starting to post about his love of fishing. He had a funny accent (Australian?) and didn't fit the picture of an outdoorsman because of his heritage and he was constantly abused by a racist crowd. Hell, he introduced me to a the presence of something called a Pea Mouthed Chub. But he persevered and made a very big impact on the BC fishing scene as he incorporated tech with passion and even some of the racists came to appreciate his efforts. Fast forward to today where a new crowd of tech savvy non-white fishermen are making waves in the local fishing scene and on the site that the funny little guy soared the same barriers are being put up. I find this to be so ironic. And, just for the record, there have been lots of guys fishing in a manner that is less than sporting for a long, long time on Lower Mainland rivers. The big difference is merely that gumboots, spark plugs and trebles (the old-timers will get this)  have been replaced with modern and more subtle methods. But targeting Asians is still popular with the bigots. Try looking at the Kasnaggers as an avid, enthusiastic bunch of young people who will help keep this sport relevant in the future. I spend quite a bit other time camping/fishing in BC and I am in my 70's and often the average age in camp. There are no young people there. We need youth to get out in the wild to preserve the resources or they will end up being paved over and fishing, hunting and camping will be history. And, yes, these guys/gals look different than us but we looked different than those we displaced.

[Dave]

Said it before, GordJ, the voice of reason ...

[psd1179]

Be careful what you wish for. When Kasnaggers rush into campsite, there will be a whole new level. You probably won’t find a vacant spot, and quiet time will be hard to come by.

[RalphH]

Thanks for those genuine and heartfelt words Gord and there is not much to disagree with in them.

I would say that I did not see anything racist sentiment in Roe Man's post either overt or implied. He didn't identify any particular group other than those who tote lawn chairs to the riverside. BTW that occasionally includes me and I don't find it offensive.

Prejudice by experienced anglers who have lived here has a long and checkered history. I carry some of those prejudices. Those are often not based on race. Like Roe Man I have been "crowded out" after trying to find a small place to myself on a crowded river. Happened to me many times and one case was years ago - perhaps 30. I had gone to the Chilliwack in early November, often when the crowds thinned a bit. After some driving and walking I found such a place mid-river where there was a bank side log jam and some moderately deep frog water. I could see some coho in there. I tied on a mickey finn and hooked a few coho, a nice buck, a hatchery doe and a smaller hatch male of a few pounds. By that time some younger guys were lining up around that small backwater. A few more clambered onto the logs. The salmon in the pool moved into the logs. Game over! I was happy with my catch and headed home. By the the way Gord those guys looked like me, they might have been 5 or 10 years younger but they were white! They spoke pure Canadian eh! It's an old story. I could tell many more but who cares.

I can remember a time way back in the 20th Century when a little guy was just starting to post about his love of fishing. He had a funny accent (Australian?) and didn't fit the picture of an outdoorsman because of his heritage and he was constantly abused by a racist crowd. Hell, he introduced me to a the presence of something called a Pea Mouthed Chub. But he persevered and made a very big impact on the BC fishing scene as he incorporated tech with passion and even some of the racists came to appreciate his efforts. Fast forward to today where a new crowd of tech savvy non-white fishermen are making waves in the local fishing scene and on the site that the funny little guy soared the same barriers are being put up. I find this to be so ironic. And, just for the record, there have been lots of guys fishing in a manner that is less than sporting for a long, long time on Lower Mainland rivers. The big difference is merely that gumboots, spark plugs and trebles (the old-timers will get this)  have been replaced with modern and more subtle methods. But targeting Asians is still popular with the bigots. Try looking at the Kasnaggers as an avid, enthusiastic bunch of young people who will help keep this sport relevant in the future. I spend quite a bit other time camping/fishing in BC and I am in my 70's and often the average age in camp. There are no young people there. We need youth to get out in the wild to preserve the resources or they will end up being paved over and fishing, hunting and camping will be history. And, yes, these guys/gals look different than us but we looked different than those we displaced.