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psd1179

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Re: Up to 21,000 Atlantic salmon escape after B.C. fish-farm fire damages net
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2019, 07:24:09 PM »

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Re: Up to 21,000 Atlantic salmon escape after B.C. fish-farm fire damages net
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2019, 07:31:41 PM »

Arn't they an invasive species?
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Re: Up to 21,000 Atlantic salmon escape after B.C. fish-farm fire damages net
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2019, 07:54:08 AM »

Arn't they an invasive species?

Not invasive.  Non-native.  According to the report, DFO is not too concerned as these adult fish do not know how to hunt for food or hide from predators and are not expected to survive.  DFO will however be setting up monitoring of local spawning rivers to intercept any that do survive and try to migrate in to spawn.  Another black eye for the industry which I hope the regulators are taking seriously in the push to get these farms onto land.
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Re: Up to 21,000 Atlantic salmon escape after B.C. fish-farm fire damages net
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2019, 08:18:40 AM »

According to the report, DFO is not too concerned as these adult fish do not know how to hunt for food or hide from predators and are not expected to survive. 

just like hatchery steelhead, hatchery chinook and hatchery coho.
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Re: Up to 21,000 Atlantic salmon escape after B.C. fish-farm fire damages net
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2019, 12:42:35 PM »

The Washington escapement was over 10 times larger and not much came of that. You have to remember media is a business and story that elicits outrage is money. They found an Atlantic salmon up the Skagit not much concern was shown by the State fisheries. They had examined 140 of those fish and all had empty stomachs except one that had a wood chunk in it. A Vancouver Sun article form 2017 "Millions of Atlantic salmon had been released into BC streams from 1905" It says more than 8 million has been released between 1905-1935 and they failed to take. Of note apparently our Pacific salmon are doing better than the Atlantic in lake Ontario.
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Re: Up to 21,000 Atlantic salmon escape after B.C. fish-farm fire damages net
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2019, 01:07:05 PM »

Great to see logic in these posts!
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Re: Up to 21,000 Atlantic salmon escape after B.C. fish-farm fire damages net
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2019, 01:36:26 PM »

The Washington escapement was over 10 times larger and not much came of that. You have to remember media is a business and story that elicits outrage is money. They found an Atlantic salmon up the Skagit not much concern was shown by the State fisheries. They had examined 140 of those fish and all had empty stomachs except one that had a wood chunk in it. A Vancouver Sun article form 2017 "Millions of Atlantic salmon had been released into BC streams from 1905" It says more than 8 million has been released between 1905-1935 and they failed to take. Of note apparently our Pacific salmon are doing better than the Atlantic in lake Ontario.

you may never know if much came of it. I highly doubt that any sort of disease transferring that could of or may have happened would ever be discovered.
doubtful, maybe or most likely but it could happen.
 
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Re: Up to 21,000 Atlantic salmon escape after B.C. fish-farm fire damages net
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2019, 02:53:41 PM »

Both Brown Trout and Atlantics were transplanted in the Cowichan and others streams on Vancouver Island early last century. Neither were thought to have been successful yet Browns unexpectedly proved to have established a self sustaining population in the Cowichan and Little Qualicum rivers by the 1950s. Transplants of Atlantics to other oceans other than the North Atlantic have never succeeded though lacustrine populations have been established.

While the risks from escapees etc may seem to be low and the incidence of unintended releases is much lower than in the past, the risks should not be passed off lightly as DFO etc seem want to do.
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Re: Up to 21,000 Atlantic salmon escape after B.C. fish-farm fire damages net
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2019, 02:55:46 PM »

Great to see logic in these posts!

It’s a breath of fresh air, to see the logical and reasonable responses posts rather then the sensational outrage over nothing.

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Re: Up to 21,000 Atlantic salmon escape after B.C. fish-farm fire damages net
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2019, 03:49:26 PM »

Both Brown Trout and Atlantics were transplanted in the Cowichan and others streams on Vancouver Island early last century. Neither were thought to have been successful yet Browns unexpectedly proved to have established a self sustaining population in the Cowichan and Little Qualicum rivers by the 1950s. Transplants of Atlantics to other oceans other than the North Atlantic have never succeeded though lacustrine populations have been established.

While the risks from escapees etc may seem to be low and the incidence of unintended releases is much lower than in the past, the risks should not be passed off lightly as DFO etc seem want to do.

Strange though. I've caught 2 Atlantics in my life in the Fraser. They were both chrome and very healthy looking. Unless they were sterile...which I don't know since they were both caught more than 10 years ago....they looked strong enough to spawn.
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Re: Up to 21,000 Atlantic salmon escape after B.C. fish-farm fire damages net
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2019, 05:01:15 PM »

Even when they tried hard to establish runs of atlantics, it failed.  That was before they were worried about non-native species.
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Re: Up to 21,000 Atlantic salmon escape after B.C. fish-farm fire damages net
« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2019, 12:48:49 PM »

I wonder what caused the fire  :o
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Re: Up to 21,000 Atlantic salmon escape after B.C. fish-farm fire damages net
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2019, 02:59:42 PM »

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