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New Government - FN Agreement
« on: July 06, 2019, 11:57:38 AM »

Government of Canada enters into Fraser Salmon Collaborative Management Agreement with 76 British Columbia First Nations

From: Fisheries and Oceans Canada

News release
July 5, 2019

Vancouver, British Columbia - There is no relationship more important to the Government of Canada than the one with Indigenous Peoples. Our government is committed to advancing a renewed relationship with Indigenous communities, based on the recognition of rights, respect, cooperation, and partnership. As part of this commitment, we are working to modernize and strengthen nation-to-nation, government-to-government structures, and to support a more collaborative approach to fisheries management by the Government of Canada and Indigenous Peoples.

British Columbia (BC) First Nations along the migratory route of Fraser salmon have a long standing and profound relationship with the Fraser salmon. The conservation and restoration of Fraser salmon today, and for generations to come, is the highest priority when we are making governance and management decisions about this species.

Today, the Minister of Fisheries, Oceans and the Canadian Coast Guard, the Honourable Jonathan Wilkinson, and Darren Haskell, President of the Fraser Salmon Management Council (FSMC), announced the signing of the Fraser Salmon Collaborative Management Agreement between Fisheries and Oceans Canada (DFO) and the FSMC.

This is a landmark agreement that signals a significant change and opportunity for meaningful and innovative reconciliation work between DFO and Indigenous communities. This creates a joint DFO-FSMC board that will review, and make collaborative decisions on operational fisheries issues, to be outlined in their annual work plan.

The Fraser Salmon Management Council was established by First Nations along the migratory route of Fraser salmon in March 2014, with the adoption of their constitution and bylaws. FSMC currently includes 76 member First Nations representing a majority of British Columbia (BC) First Nations with access to Fraser salmon fisheries. The Fraser Salmon Management Council membership includes First Nations along the migratory route of Fraser salmon, including the Upper, Middle and Lower Fraser and Marine Approach (Vancouver Island) areas.                   
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This is simply the next step in their reallocation without consultation nor compensation AGENDA.

Their end game is to have a full 50% "partner" with FN's, and any that are not are not welcome at the table, period.

This "agreement" effectively gives FN's Tier One Management decision making power equal to that of DFO.

Think about that for a moment...

The end is in sight if we allow these Complete Incompetents to win another election.
Remember in October!

Don't let Sunny Ways become Dummy Stays!

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Re: New Government - FN Agreement
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2019, 12:05:33 PM »

They lost me at the start when they basically said anyone who isnt a First to the nation doesnt matter.
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Re: New Government - FN Agreement
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2019, 03:45:15 PM »

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu@k

Is it election time yet?
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Re: New Government - FN Agreement
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2019, 05:28:57 PM »

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu@k

Is it election time yet?

Let's us never forget this government and the messed up decision of its leader. Never forget People Kind, misgendering someone is a federal crime punishable with jail time, SNC Lavalin, the police can come into your house up to two hours after you have been driving and TELL you to blow in a breathalyzer. Dont forget the lavish photo opp trip to India and construction workers are pigs. Also the 10 million dollar payout to Omar.

Anything else ? I'm sure I forgot something.

Say what you want about Harper but I cant recall anything quiteike this in 4 years of his service.
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Re: New Government - FN Agreement
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2019, 05:32:51 PM »

Their end game is to have a full 50% "partner" with FN's, and any that are not are not welcome at the table, period.

Ok so 50% is what? 76 bands = 50% stake or vote at the table, and who sits in the other 76 seats? sorry 75 seats because DFO will have 1??

Honestly I don't need an answer, just thinking about that 50% statement leaves lots of questions on how the other 50% is represented. ???
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Re: New Government - FN Agreement
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2019, 06:11:56 PM »

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Their end game is to have a full 50% "partner" with FN's

that's 'Nog's interpretation of the announcement but it is not in the News Release.

Up to this point DFO has to negotiate fishing agreements with a large # of FN bands and organizations many of who have conflicting interests to some extent. Salmon taken in the lower river are not available higher upstream. That is a system that cries out for rationalization. We will see what it means in the longer term.
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Re: New Government - FN Agreement
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2019, 08:41:29 PM »

None of this matters. The fish will be scooped up in gill nets regardless of any agreements. The Fraser is doomed.
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Re: New Government - FN Agreement
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2019, 08:43:55 PM »


Say what you want about Harper but I cant recall anything quiteike this in 4 years of his service.

Let's just talk about the fisheries issues and not the senate, prorogation and other scandals Harper et al were involved in.

In 2012, the PCs gutted the habitat protections in the fisheries act under lobbying from industry. There wasn’t a single prosecution for habitat offences for the last years that the PCs were in power. They removed all protection for any species that wasn’t part of a fishery, like food fish for sport fish. They cut millions from DFO’s operating budgets, closing the Coast Guard Station in our biggest recreational harbour and left hatcheries with empty rearing channels because they didn’t have the funds to feed the fry. They gagged government scientists from saying anything that might be critical of  the impacts of industries like fish farms or oil companies on our fish. I don’t care who you vote for but don’t pretend to be concerned about Pacific Salmon and recreational fishing if you vote for the PCs.

However, if you’re a “commercial fisherman”, they are likely your best bet to keep fishing. After all, it was the Mulroney PCs that chose to ignore all scientific advice and data on the Atlantic cod in the 90’s in favour of the commercial fisheries lobbyists and allowed the industry to fish the stocks close to extinction for the next few years and completely end the cod industry and the thousands of jobs that depended on it.
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« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2019, 10:14:39 PM »

Let's just talk about the fisheries issues and not the senate, prorogation and other scandals Harper et al were involved in.

In 2012, the PCs gutted the habitat protections in the fisheries act under lobbying from industry. There wasn’t a single prosecution for habitat offences for the last years that the PCs were in power. They removed all protection for any species that wasn’t part of a fishery, like food fish for sport fish. They cut millions from DFO’s operating budgets, closing the Coast Guard Station in our biggest recreational harbour and left hatcheries with empty rearing channels because they didn’t have the funds to feed the fry. They gagged government scientists from saying anything that might be critical of  the impacts of industries like fish farms or oil companies on our fish. I don’t care who you vote for but don’t pretend to be concerned about Pacific Salmon and recreational fishing if you vote for the PCs.

However, if you’re a “commercial fisherman”, they are likely your best bet to keep fishing. After all, it was the Mulroney PCs that chose to ignore all scientific advice and data on the Atlantic cod in the 90’s in favour of the commercial fisheries lobbyists and allowed the industry to fish the stocks close to extinction for the next few years and completely end the cod industry and the thousands of jobs that depended on it.

Well said, Aqua. There was also the closing of dozens of DFO remote offices due to the budget cuts and the trashing of scientific libraries. It was a years-long low point for those working on the environmental or scientific side of DFO.
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Re: New Government - FN Agreement
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2019, 01:31:55 AM »

Well, at this point reducing or eliminating DFO doesn't sound.like such a bad idea.
Oh, and can you remind me.how.many lawsuits have been started against poluters undrer the current goverment? Remember the Mount Polley disaster? THE biggest environmental disaster in BC history.
Up to this day - no charges, no cleanup or remediation efforts, no fingers pointed - they just walked away from it.
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Re: New Government - FN Agreement
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2019, 02:17:38 AM »

If FN ever have the power to control their own openings and opportunity that will be the nail in the coffin for all Fraser stocks. It will be extinct within 2 cycles
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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2019, 06:26:46 AM »

Let's just talk about the fisheries issues and not the senate, prorogation and other scandals Harper et al were involved in.

In 2012, the PCs gutted the habitat protections in the fisheries act under lobbying from industry. There wasn’t a single prosecution for habitat offences for the last years that the PCs were in power. They removed all protection for any species that wasn’t part of a fishery, like food fish for sport fish. They cut millions from DFO’s operating budgets, closing the Coast Guard Station in our biggest recreational harbour and left hatcheries with empty rearing channels because they didn’t have the funds to feed the fry. They gagged government scientists from saying anything that might be critical of  the impacts of industries like fish farms or oil companies on our fish. I don’t care who you vote for but don’t pretend to be concerned about Pacific Salmon and recreational fishing if you vote for the PCs.

However, if you’re a “commercial fisherman”, they are likely your best bet to keep fishing. After all, it was the Mulroney PCs that chose to ignore all scientific advice and data on the Atlantic cod in the 90’s in favour of the commercial fisheries lobbyists and allowed the industry to fish the stocks close to extinction for the next few years and completely end the cod industry and the thousands of jobs that depended on it.

I guess since the Liberals are doing such a great job for the Salmon my basic rights and freedoms will have to take a back seat. I didnt know that people dont care about having to prove your innocents. Shouldn't it be the other way around ? Nobody cares that you can be arrested for having a drink or a toke 2 hours after you drive and HAVE to prove your innocents?

Guess not.
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« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2019, 06:54:18 AM »

If FN ever have the power to control their own openings and opportunity that will be the nail in the coffin for all Fraser stocks. It will be extinct within 2 cycles

The claim that the FSMC agreement gives FN's "Tier One Management decision making power equal to that of DFO" is blatantly false fear-mongering. Fraser stocks are managed in-season under the Pacific Salmon Treaty and openings are decided by the Fraser Panel. FN and the Americans have always had seats on the panel. The FSMC organization just brings all the bands together for pre-season management and allocation negotiations, even the rogue bands that in the past refused to cooperate. Some form of FSMC has been debated for at least a decade to replace or simplify the process of negotiating separate Aboriginal Fisheries Strategy Collaborative Agreements with every band or band council. If it actually brings all the Fraser bands together, stops the band infighting, and allows for better management of FSC fisheries, it's a good thing. Time will tell.
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« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2019, 09:00:36 AM »

This is another part in transitioning the management of salmon stocks to the First Nations under the reconciliation movement by the liberal government imho.
  When you take into account the fishing closures on the Skeena system put in place on July 1, the First Nations exclusive troll fishery on the west coast of Vancouver island, The current access and who gets to fish negotiations going on with the 18 hereditary chiefs on the skeena system, the fact sports fishermen can’t retain USA hatchery chinooks because if they do so First Nations will gillnet the Fraser at will for a few examples sort of points to a huge change in how it will all be managed moving forward.
 Will it be better or worse? Only time will tell but I doubt it will get better if history prevails because when has any salmon fishery really changed for the better?
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« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2019, 09:05:04 AM »

If FN ever have the power to control their own openings and opportunity that will be the nail in the coffin for all Fraser stocks. It will be extinct within 2 cycles

--Does not compute...Why would FN destroy the fishery? Their best interests, as local people, would be to enhance a sustainable harvest.  We have to separate quota from sustainability...although tied together they are two distinct issues...there is no quota if there are no fish. Too much of the debate and effort is going into quota discussions, more should be going into sustaining a healthy fish population...something all users should have as a First priority.
 
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