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mastercaster

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If you want to enjoy hunting in the future in BC you SHOULD get on board and sign the petition to say you are against selling off our big game to foreigners through guides/outfitters. You may never get to hunt moose again through an LEH.  Write letters to you local MLA and the other powers that be to contest this ridiculous allocation.  Below is a link from HuntingBC that desribes if full the dilemma:

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?112886-Allocation-Policy-Letters-to-MLAs


Here is the petition to sign:

https://www.change.org/p/ministry-of-forest...-hunters-rights

Link to find your MLA:

http://www.leg.bc.ca/mla/3-1-1.htm


Send this out to everyone you know~
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The BC government is essentially privatized a large proportion of BC's game with this move and their decision to allow foreign companies to own guiding interests in BC that they made earlier this year, all the fishermen on this site should pay attention to this, the privatization of our rivers may not be far behind. This government has proven with this move that they will put the interests of others well ahead of those of our citizens. For those of you that think it is unthinkable that our rivers in BC could ever be privatized this should be a wake up call.   
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The BC government is essentially privatized a large proportion of BC's game with this move and their decision to allow foreign companies to own guiding interests in BC that they made earlier this year, all the fishermen on this site should pay attention to this, the privatization of our rivers may not be far behind. This government has proven with this move that they will put the interests of others well ahead of those of our citizens. For those of you that think it is unthinkable that our rivers in BC could ever be privatized this should be a wake up call.

It has happened in other countries!  Residents of BC can not allow this to happen so whether you are a resident hunter, a non-hunter, or even an anti-hunter these backdoor deals between the government and the guiding/outfitter companies that cater to non-residents YOU SHOULD sing a new petition that the Wildlife Federation has just put out yesterday.

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?113151-BCWF-Wildlife-Allocation-Petition-Please-Sign!
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hypocrites! guides are scum. this was probably their plan all along so they could raise the number of guided hunts substantially. Either way resident hunters will lose out huge. honestly I have zero respect for a bunch of guides making their living flying circles around mountains picking out all the trophy animals just to sell them off to foreigners. do people realize what some of these hunts go for?? guided stone sheep hunt 40000 to 50000 dollars regardless of success.  dall sheep 20000 dollars, most other animals are 10000 plus to hunt as well. Most of these animals barely make it to legal age or requirements before they are slaughtered by these greedy pigs. this whole issue is no different than the commercial/sport fishery argument on the Fraser river.  once again the poor residents who put in all the real legwork, conservation and money into our outdoor sporting and economy are being sold out to line the few deep pockets. how does guiding help our resources?
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hypocrites! guides are scum.

Easy There GS! Not ALL are in that boat! There are a handful at the "top end" that fit your description, but there are also a LOT of guides just as ticked as we are over this whole mess!

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Either way resident hunters will lose out huge.

And not just hunters. Do NOT for an instant believe Crispy & Crew aren't looking for ways to "capitalize" on fishing activities within BC too.  :'(

The situation has deepened considerably over the past couple of days...

Gist of it is the GOABC "donated" more than $ 100,000 to Crispy & Crew, who in turn "donated" back ~ $ 380,000 (tax dollars of course) back to the GOABC.

Topping that off, the lieberals also passed legislation that allows guide operations to kill over their quota, with no legal repercussions.  ???


16.011 Despite section 16.01 (i), and without limiting section 60 (2) of the Act, a guide outfitter does not commit an offence if the guide outfitter has a quota assigned as a condition of his or her guide outfitter licence and allows his or her clients to kill game to the extent that the number killed exceeds the quota assigned to the guide outfitter.

A lot of info here, and well worth having a boo: http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?114649-Its-time-to-blow-this-up

Every inch that is dug, the STENCH gets Worse.  >:(

Whether you're a hunter or not, if this doesn't get you Steaming Mad, it's unlikely anything Crispy et al ever does will...

Drop an envelope to your MLA and Crispy Folks. Let them know we will NOT Tolerate this type of corruption & favoritism at OUR Expense!

Pissed!
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--I am willing to accept Guides should get their fair share. As game gets scarce or as there are more hunters in an area % is not always the best way to distribute game. In some instances a minimum fixed number is required to make a living.  The deal before the announcement seemed to have some increases in some areas. Not the surprising increases that were announced and not openly discussed.
--Good guides...just like good recreational hunters and fishers do a lot to help maintain and protect the resource.
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Time for Action Folks! Let them know We WILL NOT stand idly by while they sell off our Wildlife Resources to the highest bidder!

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Minister Thomson issued a press release yesterday regarding these matters:

"After more than 10 years of review and negotiations, itís time to put the issue of wildlife-harvest allocation behind us and have some certainty....

Now that a decision is made
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Full Story here: http://www.castanet.net/news/Commentary/133967/Hunt-allocation-fair-minister

Obviously in his little mind, it's a "done deal".

Simply Thomson blowing more smoke up our collective asses.
Between him, Ellis (President of the GOABC) and other Lieberal members, so many different sets of "effected numbers" have been tossed out there that it is quite obvious none of them have any real handle on the matter. Or if they do, this is simply a tactic by design to confuse the issue even further.

The issue isn't really focused on "numbers", despite their cries that it is. The Real matter of concern relates to RATIOS of the split (sound increasingly similar to the situation we face with the Feds regarding halibut yet?) wherein outfitters will be afforded up to 40+ % of the annual allowable harvest - and interestingly enough, the "rarer" the animal (as in the greatest LEH subscription numbers) the Higher the allotment ratio is being spun towards the outfitters (GREATLY Reducing the odds of any Resident ever drawing in their lifetimes for many of those hunts). Just as concerning is the Lieberal's intent to Legislate the splits they have come up with for their conspirators.

For conspirators they certainly appear to be. What else would you call the "donations" from the GOABC directly into Lieberal coffers preceding the announcements that so greatly favor their interests (over $ 100K and counting)? Or perhaps the Lieberal government tossing back in excess of $ 380,000 tax dollars to the GOABC's war chest?

Even if one were to simply buy into the numbers game, detailed analysis points out the fact that moose, in one region alone, will realize a reduction of > 120 animals from the Resident's access, and gifted to the commercial outfitters. Smoke & Mirrors indeed!

Finally, it isn't simply the "decisions" being unilaterally made by the Minister on behalf of his GOABC supporters that is at issue. The whole damn process is Flawed through to it's very core. Terms such as collusion, corruption, lack of integrity, and questionable behavior abound. This latest attempt to defuse the controversy was intentionally timed to hit the streets on the cusp of the Protest Rally scheduled for this coming Monday at the legislature buildings in Victoria. It is a Complete FAIL, and Thomson's arrogance in light of thousands upon thousands expressing their very real concerns flies in the face of reality. Perhaps not such a bad thing after all - this condescending release has lit a fire under many every day folks once again, and more are climbing on-board and planning to attend the Rally as a consequence.

This is a Very Important Issue Folks! Already the GOABC has noted their intent to impose guiding requirements for Fishing on NON-Classified waters that fall within their tenures (public lands btw), and are further seeking the right to treat their tenures (again, public lands) as their own Private lands. Starting to get the picture yet?

This should concern each and every one of us who uses the back-country - even if only for fishing, hiking and camping.
The Lieberals are poised to sell us out. The best we can do at this point is ensure the Rally is well attended, and deliver the message that we Will Not Sit Idly By and let our access to our own resources be sold off to the highest bidders!

I'll be wandering down from Port with a full truck, followed by several vans and other trucks. A bit costly alright, but none of us are willing to face the consequences of doing nothing!

See you in Victoria!!

Cheers,
Matt
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If you want to enjoy hunting in the future in BC you SHOULD get on board and sign the petition to say you are against selling off our big game to foreigners through guides/outfitters. You may never get to hunt moose again through an LEH.  Write letters to you local MLA and the other powers that be to contest this ridiculous allocation.  Below is a link from HuntingBC that desribes if full the dilemma:

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?112886-Allocation-Policy-Letters-to-MLAs



Here is the petition to sign:

https://www.change.org/p/ministry-of-forest...-hunters-rights

Link to find your MLA:

http://www.leg.bc.ca/mla/3-1-1.htm


Send this out to everyone you know~

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