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FraserFishing

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Hook under chin
« on: September 20, 2010, 03:14:40 PM »

Anyone ever hooked a fish under it's chin (lure fishing)? Is it considered snagged?
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Re: Hook under chin
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2010, 03:20:59 PM »

Yes by definition
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Re: Hook under chin
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2010, 03:27:09 PM »

It has happened to me,top/side of nose actually, I released it without a thought.The fish may have attempted a bite, but absolutely foul hooked and should be released IMO.
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Re: Hook under chin
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2010, 04:15:49 PM »

Doubt there is a part of the fish that isn't hooked during fishing.

What does the regulation say word for word (since the OP started the thread be so kind to post it).

And rule is the same no matter type of fishing.
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Re: Hook under chin
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2010, 09:28:45 PM »

ive gotten fish using roe under a float and watching coho hit it, and some have been under the chin, i wouldnt consider snagged but regulations say release it. But if your using wool, then yes it was snagged.
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Re: Hook under chin
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2010, 10:13:37 PM »

I've had the good fortune of sight fishing for trout and sometimes they simply miss which resulted in a hook under the chin.  Since I don't bonk fish, except the odd coho, the issue of whether or not to release is never a problem.  My point is not to get to overly worked up about a foul here and there, if your intent is to catch fish legally.  Just unhook it and let it go.  The fishing gods will reward you later :)
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Re: Hook under chin
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2010, 03:15:28 PM »

In Washington State, it's not snagged if it's hooked in front of the gill plate.  I was sure that was the case for lower mainland, but maybe regs have changed. 
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Re: Hook under chin
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2010, 03:23:09 PM »

snagging (foul hooking)… hooking a fish
in any other part of its body other than
the mouth. Attempting to snag fish of any
species is prohibited. Any fish willfully
or accidently snagged must be released
immediately.  Taken from the regs.  However, mouth isn't defined in the BC regs.

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Re: Hook under chin
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2010, 03:37:18 PM »

Washington State Rules:

Snagging: Attempting to take fish with a hook
and line in such a way that the fish does not
voluntarily take the hook(s) in its mouth. In
freshwater, it is illegal to possess any fish
hooked anywhere other than inside the mouth or
on the head.

burnaby

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Re: Hook under chin
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2010, 04:23:14 PM »

So in Wash. legal when fish is tricked into tasting or head butting the hook. Interesting, NO wonder American is a litigable state with clear laws like that.
Washington State Rules:

Snagging: Attempting to take fish with a hook
and line in such a way that the fish does not
voluntarily take the hook(s) in its mouth. In
freshwater, it is illegal to possess any fish
hooked anywhere other than inside the mouth or
on the head.

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chris gadsden

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Re: Hook under chin
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2010, 06:14:59 PM »

Washington State Rules:

Snagging: Attempting to take fish with a hook
and line in such a way that the fish does not
voluntarily take the hook(s) in its mouth. In
freshwater, it is illegal to possess any fish
hooked anywhere other than inside the mouth or
on the head.

Ouch. ;D ;D

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Re: Hook under chin
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2010, 06:21:10 PM »

snagging (foul hooking)… hooking a fish
in any other part of its body other than
the mouth.

Where exactly does the mouth stop and the head start?  :D
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Re: Hook under chin
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2010, 08:55:36 PM »

 "NO wonder American is a litigable state with clear laws like that". 
Its trickle down economics, with the lawyers taking their cut first. 
I'm pretty sure the head is defined as being in front of the gill plate.  this can be fairly applied if you are running tandem hooks (herring rig) and the mouth hook pulls out leaving the trailing hook on the head, still embedded. 
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Re: Hook under chin
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2010, 11:24:30 PM »

In Seward, Alaska "Resurrection Bay" there is or was anyway, legal snagging allowed , only if your inside the river mouths that enter the bay. I watched them {with their weighted treble "Resurrection Ripper" or Double R as they call it} just shredding the chinnook/ Kings. This was in 2003. I saw some monsters get pulled in by the back/eye/tail/belly, you name it, they don't fool around. 40/50 pounders ,steady. They'd sell "Snagging Rods ,the size of a small log lollol " in the grocery store for 50 dollars
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Re: Hook under chin
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2010, 08:42:47 AM »

In Seward, Alaska "Resurrection Bay" there is or was anyway, legal snagging allowed , only if your inside the river mouths that enter the bay. I watched them {with their weighted treble "Resurrection Ripper" or Double R as they call it} just shredding the chinnook/ Kings. This was in 2003. I saw some monsters get pulled in by the back/eye/tail/belly, you name it, they don't fool around. 40/50 pounders ,steady. They'd sell "Snagging Rods ,the size of a small log lollol " in the grocery store for 50 dollars

If it's a legal fishery then there is no problem with it in my books....  The folks catching these fish are catching them for food.

What is the difference between catching that fish in the mouth or a native using his dip net or a commercial fisherman using his gill net? In all cases the fish is going to die in order to feed someone. Look at the protein you eat, I would suggest that there was absolutely nothing sporting about the way the animal died.  ???

As far as a hook under the chin, I guess by definition it depends on how close to the mouth the hook was located. It could be argued that the fish doesn't have a chin, just a big mouth.....  :D   With lure fishing it's very common for a coho to be hooked outside the mouth.

One of the tricks I use when lure fishing is to put a swivel between the hook and the lure. Without the extension on the hook the coho will strike the lure and the hook only catches the boney part of the mouth. With the rolling a coho does I would usually lose the fish. With the extension I believe I get more successful hookups because the extension on the hook causes the hook to catch the fish either in the cheek or under the mouth. I have no problem with the legality of that.
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