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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: adriaticum on November 03, 2025, 02:40:34 PM
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I don't want to mention any names and locations, but are you aware what your government is cooking up for you?
Are you aware that whole swaths of land and complete rivers you fish are being transferred to first nations without any consultation?
BC government is fixing to eliminate 50 percent of your fishing access.
Do some research. I don't want to turn your favourite river into what social media has done to the Chilliwack.
Google it.
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You are absolutely correct.... but you don't go far enough. This goes way beyond access to fishing.
The majority of the general public is clueless to what our lives are about to look like in the next 5-10 years.
Too many indoctrinated people with their heads in the sand.
The Canada that I grew up in is gone and it's never coming back.
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I'm curious Bob .. what's your vision of Canada in the next 5-10 years?
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I'm curious Bob .. what's your vision of Canada in the next 5-10 years?
Complete dictatorship and tyrannical rule in a dystopian society that will drive men to utter despair.
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The Canada that I grew up in is gone and it's never coming back.
that is certainly true. Some folks adjust to it and get on with their lives. Others not so much.
BTW if you don't like what you think is going to happen do your best to vote for another government. The Provincial Conservative Party is opposed to this reconciliation stuff. However their current leader doesn't seem to know how to find his own dick in his pants and the Provincial Liberals stampeded over a cliff before the last election.
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that is certainly true. Some folks adjust to it and get on with their lives. Others not so much.
Adjust to what? A country that is unarguably 10 fold worse than it used to be? Why would anyone want to adjust to that?
Of course you boomers don't care, because the majority of your years were lived during Canada's very best.
Your reply is proof of a saying that I hear more and more these days.
"The boomers are the generation that were given everything, but in return are the most selfish generation in recent times"
As a Gen X, I was fortunate to get into the housing market while single family homes were still cheap. I'm doing quite well, but not everyone my age and especially younger is....It's obvious you have no idea what it is like to raise a family when you are either buying or renting a family home. A decent family home starts at $800k now. You've never had to live like that.
Your reply is ignorant.
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Complete dictatorship and tyrannical rule in a dystopian society that will drive men to utter despair.
Told you before Bob, check your stash for mould.
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Complete dictatorship and tyrannical rule in a dystopian society that will drive men to utter despair.
I guess women and trans-people will be better off than that.
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Gee Bobby I can't help but wonder what your response would have been if I hadn't agreed with you?
Some things are worse that 50+ years ago and some are better. If life had stayed exactly the same as it was in the 60s and 70s I may not be alive today. People then didn't live as long and died from conditions and diseases that are treatable or even curable today.
Is the glass half full or half empty?
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I guess women and trans-people will be better off than that.
Why doesn't it surprise me that you don't understand or recognize masculine conversation....sigh....
Some things are worse that 50+ years ago and some are better. If life had stayed exactly the same as it was in the 60s and 70s I may not be alive today. People then didn't live as long and died from conditions and diseases that are treatable or even curable today.
Is the glass half full or half empty?
It's true what they say. The vast majority of boomers are unteachable. Your selfishness, rigidness and immovability to look beyond your own self is beyond evident.
BTW if you don't like what you think is going to happen do your best to vote for another government. The Provincial Conservative Party is opposed to this reconciliation stuff. However their current leader doesn't seem to know how to find his own dick in his pants and the Provincial Liberals stampeded over a cliff before the last election.
Perhaps if you checked the demographics of the most recent Canadian election, you would see that "Elections Canada" produced statistics that show the boomers were the only generation to vote liberal. It has been completely conceded to that the conservatives would have a majority government if the boomers stayed home on election day. Or at the very least.... all the boomers had to do was put down their "The Province" newspaper, stop listening to CBC, Global, CNN , etc....about how the lie that Pierre Poilievre was in cahoots with Trump. Again....most boomers are indoctrinated and so gullible. Trump was trolling Canadians....he knows how gullible the boomers in Canada are....the media ran with it, and the boomers bought it hook line and sinker.
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Wait till you have to pay a toll to get to the Chilliwack or Chehalis river or your favourite park because FN slept under a tree that was once there. Bend over everybody.
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Bobby I wasn't talking about the Federal Liberals.
Masculine huh? More like childish.
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Wait till you have to pay a toll to get to the Chilliwack or Chehalis river or your favourite park because FN slept under a tree that was once there. Bend over everybody.
many of us can bend over even at our age. How about you?
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Bobby I wasn't talking about the Federal Liberals.
I was.....and that same sort of thing filters into the provincial and even municipal elections.....the stats will prove it.
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I was.....and that same sort of thing filters into the provincial and even municipal elections.....the stats will prove it.
So what. Boomers don't have a right to vote?
BTW your statement that:
Perhaps if you checked the demographics of the most recent Canadian election, you would see that "Elections Canada" produced statistics that show the boomers were the only generation to vote liberal.
is absolutely false, Elections Canada does not produce or issue such statistics. As of yet Elections Canada has not produced any demographic data on the 2025 Federal election. It is also ridiculous to suggest that only boomers voted Liberal is moronic. I am a bommer and did not vote Liberal. I know many other people who are boomers who at least told me they didn't vote liberal. Exit polls by Ipsos suggest that a majority (55 to 60%) of Canadians over 55 thought that the Mark Carney and the Liberals were best able to deal with Trump's tariff proposals while of those 34 and under 42% saw the Conservatives as the best choice to deal with affordability and the cost of living.That's not even a majority. For people 34 to 54 or so by omission don't seem to fall one way or the other. I am sure that you can do the math to see no age cohort appeared to completely favor, one party or the other.
https://globalnews.ca/news/11153872/canada-election-results-demographics-exit-polls/
This discussion was obviously intended as troll bait which you often eat with joy.
FWIW all federal elections ballots are private. Information about individuals voting patterns are not made available. Ballots are counted on election night or as required by recounts. Once those are complete they are stored for 10 years as mandated by the Librarian and Archivist of Canada. They can only be retrieved by Judicial order. After 10 years they are destroyed.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/marked-ballots-federal-election-explainer-1.6180015
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We are aware that what decides Aboriginal tittle is the law aren’t we? The government is merely the body in place at the time that contracts that were entered into and promises made, years ago, are finally being enforced. Any land claims like the one in Richmond aren’t being decided by any government but by the courts. In Canada we tend to obey the laws, even the ones that we don’t like.
And as far as the dog whistle about restrictions on fishing goes, there has been no one denied even a single days fishing.
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BTW your statement that:
is absolutely false Elections Canada does produce or issue such statistics. As of yet Elections Canada has not produced any demographic data on the 2025 Federal election.
What are you talking about? If you watched the election on TV on election night, you would have seen the pundits giving out demographics that very night. Regardless of who broadcasts it....it all comes from Elections Canada
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What are you talking about? If you watched the election on TV on election night, you would have seen the pundits giving out demographics that very night. Regardless of who broadcasts it....it all comes from Elections Canada
Perhaps you are conflating Elections Canada with the many opinion polls (EKOS, Nanos, Angus Reid…) that are conducted and whose data is used by media outlets. For example, this poll compares party voting and age. https://www.ctvnews.ca/federal-election-2025/article/federal-election-vote-intention-split-among-age-gender-nanos/
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What are you talking about? If you watched the election on TV on election night, you would have seen the pundits giving out demographics that very night. Regardless of who broadcasts it....it all comes from Elections Canada
you don't know what you are talking about. You seldom do.
from the link Clarki supplied:
Forty-one per cent (sic) of respondents between 18 and 34 say they plan to vote Conservative, compared to 37 per cent who plan to vote Liberal. (from Nanos Research)
For people between 18 and 34, that really isn't near the split you talked about earlier. At 4 percentage points it is likely near the margin of error for such polls so is very close to the sampled (you understand the concept of sampling do you...you don't appear to..) amount for "boomers".
You might want to read the analysis by Nik Nanos that is in the following paragraph:
“Mark Carney tracks quite well when it comes to perceptions related to how he might manage the bi-national relationship (with the U.S.) and that particular issue trends very strongly among voters who are older than 55 years of age,” says Nik Nanos, chief data scientist at Nanos Research and official pollster for CTV News and the Globe and Mail."
he is saying Carney polls quite well among both cohorts - boomers and X'rs for how they expect him tpo manage the changing relationship with the US and Donald Trump.
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This is one of my favourite boomer quotes "because they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"
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Perhaps you are conflating Elections Canada with the many opinion polls (EKOS, Nanos, Angus Reid…) that are conducted and whose data is used by media outlets. For example, this poll compares party voting and age. https://www.ctvnews.ca/federal-election-2025/article/federal-election-vote-intention-split-among-age-gender-nanos/
Yeah. A lot of that information (in media form) comes from the names you said, but after the election and even during election night....the original statistics of whos voting for who came from Elections Canada. It's just different media that gives it to us. I'm not sure why Ralph doesn't understand that.
from the link Clarki supplied:
For people between 18 and 34, that really isn't near the split you talked about earlier. At 4 percentage points it is likely near the margin of error for such polls so is very close to the sampled (you understand the concept of sampling do you...you don't appear to..) amount for "boomers".
I hear you were a teacher. I really hope it wasn't math.
Yes, of course I know the younger demographics were in some cases only a few % points difference. Gen X voted the highest for Conservative. Anyways....But the boomers have more voters than any other demographic and they voted heavily for liberal. I don't care how you try to spin this Ralph, but the statistics prove that if the boomers DIDN'T vote....we would have a Conservative majority. Pretty much all the pundits admitted that after election night. That's all that matters to me. The boomer voters are the ones responsible for screwing up our country even more than it already is because they put the liberals over the top for votes needed to win the election.
You might want to read the analysis by Nik Nanos that is in the following paragraph:
I don't want to read anything written by Nik Nanos....thank you.
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Yeah. A lot of that information (in media form) comes from the names you said, but after the election and even during election night....the original statistics of whos voting for who came from Elections Canada. It's just different media that gives it to us. I'm not sure why Ralph doesn't understand that.
I hear you were a teacher. I really hope it wasn't math.
I say again Elections Canada does not issue such statistics. It's hilarious how you keep insisting you are right when you are wrong. You can't even provide a reliable source to support your claim & lean on your unreliable memory.
I was not a teacher. I worked 30+ years as an accountant, CPA. How about you?
...so Boomers shouldn't be allowed to vote?
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Any land claims like the one in Richmond aren’t being decided by any government but by the courts. In Canada we tend to obey the laws, even the ones that we don’t like.
And as far as the dog whistle about restrictions on fishing goes, there has been no one denied even a single days fishing.
I thought the first nations said they are not making a land claim? that's what they said on the radio
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I say again Elections Canada does not issue such statistics. It's hilarious how you keep insisting you are right when you are wrong. You can't even provide a reliable source to support your claim & lean on your unreliable memory.
I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong. So I asked a friend of mine this morning who works with every election you can imagine in Canada for at least the last 20 years.
His words to me were that Elections Canada has all the statistics (including demographic voting stats) and gives them out to the different media as requested. Exactly what I've been trying to say in this entire thread. He also confirmed that no one else can provide results. The analysts and pundits then take that information and give their take on different media.
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https://globalnews.ca/news/11513951/ostriches-decision-supreme-court-bc/
Another confirmation of the bullying tyrannical dictatorship in this country. There isn't one single shred of evidence that these birds are a threat and need to be killed.
It's just going to get worse. What is left of our freedom is literal hanging on the edge.
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Elections Canada has a website. All the information "your friend" mentioned is available there. You can look at the website and if you can find info that links age and/or gender to how people voted go ahead and provide that here.
BTW the final report on the April 2025 General election including voting demographics has not been released as yet. Tells me that you are full of it since you claim to have seen something that is not yet publicly available if it is even collected. I mean when I read your claim that was the first place I checked. Any info on age cohorts and how people actually voted? Couldn't find it though I did find out that the full stats panel for 2025 aren't available as yet. Couldn't find it for any previous general election either.
see here https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=res&dir=rec/eval/pes2025&document=index&lang=e
here is demographics by age and gender but nothing how each classification voted:
https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=res&dir=rec/eval/pes2019/vtsa&document=index&lang=e
please note they don't group age by cohort boomer, X, Z, millennial etc.
I say again the stupidest part of your remarks, and it is really stupid, is that without the support of Boomers there would have been a Conservative majority.(What a weeny unmasculine thing to say! When did whining become a masculine characteristic?) That may be true but all voters have the same rights and it will be a decade or 2 before almost all the boomers are dead.
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Be aware folks and be involved.
Don't let the governments of all levels catch you sleeping and bring you to "fait accompli".
These clowns who live in their own little bubbles have no clue what can of worms they are opening.
I am all for making some historical wrongs right, great evil deeds were committed with intent against the native populations.
But if reconciliation is not done right, this could lead to the second conquest of north america.
Canada will be brought down to a point where the only solution will be to become the 51st state as the "dumpling" says.
First nations are closed societies for the most part, some of them are not interested in reconciliation.
You can not join them, unless you have their blood.
These kinds of societies cannot survive amongst people who have learned to live in an open and multicultural society.
These two things are irreconcilable.
Somehow Canadian governments think that they can give them land and self-governing authority and everything will be peachy.
Yikes.
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I say again the stupidest part of your remarks, and it is really stupid, is that without the support of Boomers there would have been a Conservative majority.
I already told you....even the pundits and analysts have conceded this. You just don't want to hear what you don't want to hear.
And now, that you've told me that you are an accountant, I'm very concerned. How many times did you get the math wrong on other people's finances?
Canada will be brought down to a point where the only solution will be to become the 51st state as the "dumpling" says.
I agree with what you said here, but the real issue is that the vast majority of Canadians don't understand how far we are past the point of no return.
The truth is....and most Canadians will never swallow this....is the fact that if Trump annexed Canada and made us the 51st state....it would be an act of mercy.
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I already told you....even the pundits and analysts have conceded this. You just don't want to hear what you don't want to hear.
And now, that you've told me that you are an accountant, I'm very concerned. How many times did you get the math wrong on other people's finances?
LOL! What an idiotic thing to say! What "pundits and analysts"? You've provided nothing to back up your silly claims. You also don't understand the basic facts behind numbers and what they mean. Who cares if but for boomers, the Pee Pee and the Conservatives may have won the '25 general election. The fact is boomers were there to vote as they should have and if it made a difference in the outcome too bad. Boo hoo cry baby.
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I think most people voted for who they thought the best leader would be .
Carney has a proven track record as a business man and thats why they voted for him after the mess that Trudeau left
PP is a professional politician who can't even get elected in his own riding
Too many people just vote conservative because they are touted as the right wing business party
Fact is we had conservative MPs in our riding who were completely useless just collecting a fat paycheque.
I applaud people who saw Carney as the best leader and elected him inspite of the Trudeau liberals history
It sure is telling how people view PP ,what a mouthpiece .
My 2 cents
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Carney has a proven track record as a business man and thats why they voted for him after the mess that Trudeau left
This comment almost made me throw up in my mouth. Are you living under a rock?
PP is a professional politician who can't even get elected in his own riding
Do some research on the corruption of how they did the ballot in his riding. And no, it is nowhere to be found on CBC and Global.
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Are you ?
He was the governor of both the Bank of England and the Bank of Canada and guided them thru some tough economic events .
Why he was elected , he was viewed as the best choice .
Some chose to stay in there conservative headspace to vote regardless ,even if the candidate or leader prove to be a poor choice .
PP is that choice , if the conservatives had a better leader, there I have no doubt they would be in power .
I'll put on my tin foil hat and start googling elections results that align with my theory about why PP wasnt elected.
Or I'll just use my own judgement to see that they had a better choice in that riding and the guy is just unlikeable.
He passes as a leader of the opposition , barely
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Salmonrook, you obviously don’t understand that just because PP has never had a real job his experience as a career politician makes him way, way more qualified to run this economy. The fact that the people in his caucus are running away from him (really? A Conservative crossing the floor?) doesn’t mean that he is not a good leader. And don’t try to describe him as a mini Trump because he was never given an inheritance to lose so he is not like Trump at all. Wouldn’t you like to see him and trump meeting to discuss the tariffs or the fighters jet purchase? It will be nice to have him kiss King Joffery’s butt instead of Carney reminding Joffrey that “the owners have decided that Canada is not for sale” or whatever it was that he said.
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I agree that politics is a tough and demanding job. For most it's hard work work and long hours much of it away from home. Every few years oemployers have a vote to see if you will be retained or fired without any severance pay. Most of them are decent people who got into politics for what they think are good reasons. For a party leader, cabinet minister etc it's a 24 hour day 7 day week. When people say a career politician never had a a 'real job' usually mean a labour or trade type job. Its true they are different worlds as are management jobs and office jobs. I have had a few in each category and they are different worlds. I put myself through University working as a janitor. I was probably happier on the job doing that than any other position I had.
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Are you ?
He was the governor of both the Bank of England and the Bank of Canada and guided them thru some tough economic events .
Why he was elected , he was viewed as the best choice .
Some chose to stay in there conservative headspace to vote regardless ,even if the candidate or leader prove to be a poor choice .
PP is that choice , if the conservatives had a better leader, there I have no doubt they would be in power .
I'll put on my tin foil hat and start googling elections results that align with my theory about why PP wasnt elected.
Or I'll just use my own judgement to see that they had a better choice in that riding and the guy is just unlikeable.
He passes as a leader of the opposition , barely
You need Accountant Ralphy to help you. Do you understand that Carney is going to add approx 80 billion to our debt in 1 year? If you don't believe me, then do a real study on the budget he is proposing.
I'm not an accountant like Ralpy, but I'm good at math so let me help you out.
80 billion / 40 million people is $2000 dollars per person FOR 1 FREAKING YEAR. Do you have to ability to calculate the that and then understand the ensuing economic disaster from that? A working man with a wife and 2 kids at home....that's 8000 for 1 family for 1 year.....
But of course that debt is going to plague future generations as well when you take into the fact that we aren't paying it back but there is interest on that.
Even Ralphy the accountant isn't going to argue with that.
As for you my friend, salmonrook.... I hope no business out there ever hires you to do their financial planning.......you're clueless if you think Carney is a good business man.
Any private business anywhere would fire his @$$ instantly for incompetency.
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As for you my friend, I hope no business out there ever hires you to do their financial planning.......you're clueless if you think Carney is a good business man
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While I am not sure if this was directed at me but at no point and no time did I describe Carney that way.
FWIW Accounting really is not about math. Like a lot of disciplines such as engineering, it uses math as a tool.
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While I am not sure if this was directed at me but at no point and no time did I describe Carney that way.
FWIW Accounting really is not about math. Like a lot of disciplines such as engineering, it uses math as a tool.
That comment was not directed at you
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Salmonrook, you obviously don’t understand that just because PP has never had a real job his experience as a career politician makes him way, way more qualified to run this economy
Sorry but I dont think if you compare the 2 then anyone would say that PP has more experience in Finance than Carney .
Career politician , his only job is to see that gets re elected , not someone with real world experience in finance.
I understand the budget and I was surprised it was that high but that includes help for our auto industry, forestry in BC and making sure we are spending to our NATO committment of 2% of GDP .
The Conservatives would be running a deficit as well , when asked PP didnt even have a solid platform before the election , just a bunch of rhetoric. He was leading in the polls as well until Carney came along .
Its clear that people thought Carney was a better man because they elected him , people could have voted either way and they chose. FACT
Not claiming to be in finance but everyone understands deficits and debt , you seem to think that your income tax rate is rising $8000 next year , I think its you that doesnt understand . That debt is on future generations , not saying its right but it is reality .
Canada, USA and most countries have run deficits since WWII .
When Harper under the Cons was in power , he muzzled DFO and stripped the laws safeguarding our National and provincial parks , basically allowing mining and logging inside them .
They have a poor record for this .
Our environment is in better shape because we DIDNT have a conservative government, trying to carve it up for profit .
Will NEVER vote conservative
Along with the basically useless Con MP's we had in our riding for 15 years , people finally wised up and elected a better person .
Yup he ran under the Liberal banner....but he was a better choice , mirroring what happened federally
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You know, I have been voting for over 50 years and when I look back it has never really made a difference who wins the election. We have had austerity programs and wild spending and it actually hasn't made a real difference. Really, I don't remember being better off under Brian Mulroney or Jean Chretien. I think that if someone you like wins (Pierre Trudeau) you feel better and when someone that you don't like (Joe Clark) wins you feel bad. I know that somehow this is wrong but I bet that deep down most of us who have seen 10 elections look back they might agree. I liked Justin Trudeau more than any of the opposition whether it was NDP, Bloc or Cons in one of their reincarnations. John Horgan probably wasn't any more effective than Eby but on the whole we liked him better. Same with Jack Layton as opposed to Jagmeet. I can go on and on, I shook Tommy Douglas' hand at a potluck dinner, I would never have voted for John Diefenbaker. The list goes on and on. And I just don't like PP. In 15 years it won't have made any difference. But we will still be in a great place.
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Ffs Bobby, it's a secret ballot. No one knows how anyone voted unless the voter reveals their choice, and Elections Canada will never ask. Phone and exit polls are the only source of demographic information.
As for the Richmond ruling, it's the first time UNDRIP has come into direct conflict with common law in Canada. It is true that the band originally didn't ask for title to private land, but now that they won, they are asking for way more on appeal. Clearly it has to end somewhere, as UNDRIP is not a blank cheque. I think this ruling, and the inevitable appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada, sets up a discussion that in the end will result in private property rights being upheld in Canada. Anything else will result in a conflict that neither side wants.
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You know, I have been voting for over 50 years and when I look back it has never really made a difference who wins the election. We have had austerity programs and wild spending and it actually hasn't made a real difference. Really, I don't remember being better off under Brian Mulroney or Jean Chretien. I think that if someone you like wins (Pierre Trudeau) you feel better and when someone that you don't like (Joe Clark) wins you feel bad. I know that somehow this is wrong but I bet that deep down most of us who have seen 10 elections look back they might agree. I liked Justin Trudeau more than any of the opposition whether it was NDP, Bloc or Cons in one of their reincarnations. John Horgan probably wasn't any more effective than Eby but on the whole we liked him better. Same with Jack Layton as opposed to Jagmeet. I can go on and on, I shook Tommy Douglas' hand at a potluck dinner, I would never have voted for John Diefenbaker. The list goes on and on. And I just don't like PP. In 15 years it won't have made any difference. But we will still be in a great place.
Wow Gord, you and so many others of your generation are out of touch with reality.
The reality for todays youth, is that the policies of the last ten years have had severe and measurable consequences. The notion that elections don't matter is a luxury of established financial security that todays youth does not share.
Public safety has significantly deteriorated. Violent crime rates are up. Repeat offenders are the norm, but not to worry the liberals took away the right for legal firearms buyers to purchase restricted firearms. That will fix the problems. Their approach of banning any firearm that "looks dangerous" is surely not a logical one.
Though the boomer generation surely doesn't notice any of that as they live in wealthy communities.
Look what happened during covid. So many people's jobs and livelihoods were threatened if they did not inject themselves with an unproven and unsafe vaccine. For basically the common cold.
Kids are taught in elementary schools that sex change surgery is normal and accepted.
Endless money is sent to Ukraine year after year instead of supporting tax paying Canadians.
Many of these things have happened only in the last 10 years under liberal rule. So the agenda that it doesn't matter which party wins is nonsense.
The belief that "we will still be in a great place" is true only if you bought a home when it cost 3-4 times the average income. For young people facing costs 12 times (or more) of their income, unsafe neighborhoods, and a sense of being ignored, the trajectory is one of significant decline. For us, politics are not about personality, it is about reversing a very real and damaging course.
Although I understand that is none of your concern, as your selfish generation won't be around to give a damn. The ignorance and lack of self awareness of how fortunate your generation is to have grown up in a much easier time is very frustrating.
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Wow Gord, you and so many others of your generation are out of touch with reality.
The reality for todays youth, is that the policies of the last ten years have had severe and measurable consequences. The notion that elections don't matter is a luxury of established financial security that todays youth does not share.
Public safety has significantly deteriorated. Violent crime rates are up. Repeat offenders are the norm, but not to worry the liberals took away the right for legal firearms buyers to purchase restricted firearms. That will fix the problems. Their approach of banning any firearm that "looks dangerous" is surely not a logical one.
Though the boomer generation surely doesn't notice any of that as they live in wealthy communities.
Look what happened during covid. So many people's jobs and livelihoods were threatened if they did not inject themselves with an unproven and unsafe vaccine. For basically the common cold.
Kids are taught in elementary schools that sex change surgery is normal and accepted.
Endless money is sent to Ukraine year after year instead of supporting tax paying Canadians.
Many of these things have happened only in the last 10 years under liberal rule. So the agenda that it doesn't matter which party wins is nonsense.
The belief that "we will still be in a great place" is true only if you bought a home when it cost 3-4 times the average income. For young people facing costs 12 times (or more) of their income, unsafe neighborhoods, and a sense of being ignored, the trajectory is one of significant decline. For us, politics are not about personality, it is about reversing a very real and damaging course.
Although I understand that is none of your concern, as your selfish generation won't be around to give a damn. The ignorance and lack of self awareness of how fortunate your generation is to have grown up in a much easier time is very frustrating.
Yeah, you are probably right. I am out of touch with reality and don't have nearly the real life experience that you have. I have had it really easy, like the rest of my generation, unlike you and yours who have had enormous struggles just to pay the cell bills. But to be clear, I didn't say that elections were unimportant but I did say that who won the elections had little impact on our lives when we look back. But your incredible experience and wisdom for outweighs mine so I guess I have it wrong. But carry on with the "oh poor me, I have it so tough" theme because it will tell people a lot about your character. As far as your anti trans, anti vax views ----go fkkk yourself.
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Ffs Bobby, it's a secret ballot. No one knows how anyone voted unless the voter reveals their choice, and Elections Canada will never ask. Phone and exit polls are the only source of demographic information.
As for the Richmond ruling, it's the first time UNDRIP has come into direct conflict with common law in Canada. It is true that the band originally didn't ask for title to private land, but now that they won, they are asking for way more on appeal. Clearly it has to end somewhere, as UNDRIP is not a blank cheque.
Excellent post Roderick. In many cases the polls cited didn't even ask the specific question about voting intention. How each respondent answers a question like what issue matters most to you (ie negotiating with the Trump administration vs affordability) can be interpreted differently. Perhaps universal daycare, pharmacare and dental care means more in terms of affordability than spending reductions. People are also notoriously reluctant to tell pollsters their voting intention or how they voted. Polling has become more of a crap shoot over the last several years or more.
Also forgotten is that polling by Nanos, Ipsos and Angus Reid did show a shift in voting intention during the campaign. In first part of the campaign a very strong Liberal majority looked probable. By the end the question was a Liberal majority possible? Also overlooked was the wipe out of other progressive parties like the NDP and the Greens. The result reflected a broadening split in the electorate as they moved to support one party or the other in the center or the right.
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Hey Darko
Ya blaming the previous generation is an old, old tradition. The very boomers you complain about used to go on and on about the "establishment". Glad to see the generation gap is still in full swing ;D .
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Here is some perspective from me on housing prices:
my wife's now deceased Uncle bought a nice little house in Surrey in the mid to late 30s for 6k
In 1966 my parents bought a house in the same area for 12k. Sold in 2011 for 300k+. Current assessment is 1.34million built in '56 with some improvements. Land valuation is 1.24m.
we bought our house in 1985 for 101k. Current assessment is 1.63million. Built in the late 30s Land value is 1.53million.
So my parents former house appreciated about 112 times the original value in 60 years. That's an annual inflation rate of 8.13%
Our house appreciated 16 times in 40 years. That's an annual inflation rate of 7.18%.
People talk about the price of houses or the cost of housing. The real cost of housing and what appreciates is the land. People think government is supposed to do something about the cost of housing. Government can't make more land.
These days new houses tend to be big. I'd say even huge. Typically they cover 1/2 or more of the lot. Maybe the square footage is cheaper but the house itself costs more.
Much of what people see as housing inflation is actually something else.
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People talk about the price of houses or the cost of housing. The real cost of housing and what appreciates is the land. People think government is supposed to do something about the cost of housing. Government can't make more land.
Your 100% right in urban settings the government cannot make more land, However in rural settings Canada is about 89% crown land as comparted to the East Coast of the USA where nearly 95+% is privately owned.
Governments could unlock more via rezoning or Crown land sales, but politics (environment, Indigenous rights) slow it down
World Example (as of Nov 2025)
Federal Government Action: In Budget 2025, Canada announced $1.8B to map and prepare 100,000+ hectares of public land for housing—mostly ex-military bases and remote lots.
BC Example: Sold small Crown parcels near Kelowna in 2024 → 1,200 new homes planned.
But delays: A proposed 500-home project on Crown land near Kamloops stalled 18 months due to First Nations consultation.
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Your 100% right in urban settings the government cannot make more land, However in rural settings Canada is about 89% crown land as comparted to the East Coast of the USA where nearly 95+% is privately owned.
you are right but much of Crown land is not habitable or at least not to the standards most people are looking for ie too steep, rocky and lack of services; water electrical and sewer. Plus there is the issue of access to work. Others are locked up in a variety of land bases such as green belt and BC's ALR. All these reasons explain why land costs are so much lower the farther one gets out of urban zones.
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You could limit immigration to induce negative population growth, to reduce housing prices.
Canada’s economy is unusually dependent on population growth driven by immigration.
but that could put Canada into a death spiral
Lower revenues, higher taxes, fleeing capital, and a weaker loonie
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You could limit immigration to induce negative population growth, to reduce housing prices.
Canada’s economy is unusually dependent on population growth driven by immigration.
but that could put Canada into a death spiral
Lower revenues, higher taxes, fleeing capital, and a weaker loonie
This is the only way to lower housing prices, reduce stress on medical, schooling, reduce the overall impact the humans have on the world. Will eventually reduce the number of gov't employees needed, cops, firefighters, doctors, Right now you can't even go to a public lake in the summer time without setting the alarm and getting there by 10am. I did not start saving money till I was in my early 20's and managed to save enough for a down payment (15000) on my first house (132000) when I was 28. Not a chance in hell for someone to save enough for a down payment today in double that time. I had one main job and two side jobs in my early 30's. Worked 68 days straight one time between main job, guiding and carpentry. Stop immigration and foreign workers, eventually people will do the jobs that normally they would not do. Put an effort into homeless people, put them where foreign workers are working and tell them here is your chance to get back to living. If they screw it up, cut them off of all gov't assistance. Won't take long till people realize a new way of living. No more handouts for the lazy and useless people. May take a generation for things to fall into place but the way things are going its only going to get worse. I know we are all immigrants but when the pool is full its time to close the doors. Don't keep building, its time to leave some areas of Canada untouched. Nov 10 and still getting pushed out of spots on Norrish Creek by people that think it is ok to stand 5 feet away.
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Personally, I am not convinced that immigration is the driver of housing inflation. It seems to me that the issue is world wide and I wonder if it is just a result of population growth everywhere? And releasing crown land isn’t what’s I see as a solution because there have to be services and employment for the occupants and if not impossible it is going to be hard to provide both at a cost that’s will lower prices. And I keep hearing that nobody can afford a home but my child and her 3 kids all have bought homes, my friends kids have homes and there seems to be a hell of a lot of new homes around me in Langley full of people.
As we all know when animal populations grow to unsustainable sizes they collapse. Maybe the population of invasive bipeds is merely nearing the tipping point? Food supply is becoming stretched in a lot of the planet, the habitants are succumbing to epidemic diseases and the population is turning on itself.
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Weren't you lucky roeman. These days young people can't even find one good job. Unemployment for 15-25 year olds is at 14.6% Minimum wage wont even pay the rent in the city, and saving money is almost impossible.
As for the rest, I don't even know where to start. You obviously have led a highly privileged life, and have no idea what it's like to start with nothing but the dirty clothes on your back. Let me ask you this: would you hire a person currently homeless, perhaps with mental health/addiction issues? No?? Maybe they will find a "new way of living" by breaking into cars at popular fishing spots, or other worse crimes. And welfare is way cheaper then putting them in jail, which means lower taxes for you.
Oh and please, buy yourself another boat. We shore fishermen don't want to have to deal with your anger either.
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Weren't you lucky roeman.
It was not luck it was a result of hard work and determination. My main job was at a manufacturing plant and it sucked, shitty pay and hot work. I bought a used boat and used fishing gear, built my own website and starting guiding on the Fraser as second source of income. Bought used tools at garage sales and started installing vinyl decking and aluminum railings as a third source of income. Not luck at all, I hated being an employee and was not a very good one so I made my own way of making extra money. My last position was with a fuel delivery company, at 54 I outworked every 25-30 year old there, they were lazy and had no idea of work ethics and what it took to succeed. FYI I don't need another boat, I have 3 now, a 15 foot jet boat, 12 foot spratley and a 12 foot raft, and no need for another.
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I am with you roeman. I had typed out a whole rant but decided that it would just come across as an old mans raving so I decided to just point out that we had nothing when we started and were the children of people who had experienced a war and a depression who also had nothing.
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Ya sure the war was bad, but the post war period in North America was one of the biggest economic expansions in history. The population was booming, manufacturing jobs were plentiful, and you could raise a family on one salary. But since then things have gotten progressively more difficult, especially for young people. As we have been discussing, housing prices and rents have gone up much faster then incomes or inflation. Manufacturing jobs have left the country forever. It's very rare for an early 20s person to get a job like that. So yes, in today's terms you were lucky to have that first job without having to pay exorbitant rent. I gotta say, the fact that you saved and created a new business is admirable, but you cant buy a parking spot with a 15k down payment these days. 15k is like 5 months rent if you live alone. And 14.6% unemployment is nothing to sneeze at. Most of the jobs those kids do have are minimum wage. The average salary for everyone in Vancouver is 63k per year, while according to google AI you need a salary of 150k per year to buy the average condo in Vancouver, with a 50k down payment. Would your manufacturing job pay that much today? You do the math.
BTW just so we are on the same page, my record is only 32 days in a row without a day off. You win.
And I'm glad you still have that boat ;) .
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Personally, I am not convinced that immigration is the driver of housing inflation. It seems to me that the issue is world wide and I wonder if it is just a result of population growth everywhere? And releasing crown land isn’t what’s I see as a solution because there have to be services and employment for the occupants and if not impossible it is going to be hard to provide both at a cost that’s will lower prices. And I keep hearing that nobody can afford a home but my child and her 3 kids all have bought homes, my friends kids have homes and there seems to be a hell of a lot of new homes around me in Langley full of people.
As we all know when animal populations grow to unsustainable sizes they collapse. Maybe the population of invasive bipeds is merely nearing the tipping point? Food supply is becoming stretched in a lot of the planet, the habitants are succumbing to epidemic diseases and the population is turning on itself.
You can get property cheap in Japan one of my coworkers just left to live there and another just bought there.
Australia has also reduced their immigration abd its reducing housing prices.
Lots of countries tho with positive birth rates so not going to effect their as much.
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Ya the mill just closed in 100 mile. Property will probably be cheap there coming up.
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The last series of posts certainly sound familiar. When I was young houses seemed expensive by the standards of the time. I was quite sure I would never own one. After good economic times from about the mid 50s and through the 60s the western world entered a period of "stagflation", a decade of low growth and high inflation which ended in the recession of the early 80s. That all but killed the lumber industry in BC. Many mills closed and men who for decades had secure work, but little varied experience, lost their jobs. It's been a similar story since then as our economy now runs on a model of creative destruction.
Every boomer I know, including my wife and I "worked hard". We claim it was the key to our success. So do millenials and it will be the key to whatever success they achieve. I have 2 adult children in their 30s. They both started out one career path and it didn't quite meet their hopes, re-educated and started anew. One is in the media business & works on live events, everything from hockey games, corporate conferences and news events. It's gig work and they work for 3 or 4 different companies. It's also seasonal; very busy in the fall, late winter and spring but not so busy in summer and at holiday time. "They have to make hay when the sun shines" so they will often work several consecutive days, they are about to start a 16 day consecutive stint at a variety of venues. Often they will work 18+ hours on back to back shifts to get the hours! No 'official' employer, no benefits, no vacation pay and no EI.
I think millenials really do face challenges most boomers never had to worry about. I don't think I would gotten what I had today if I hadn't had a partner/wife who wanted to work and have a career. Ditto for the fact we have stayed together for close to 50 years now. It was similar for my parents. They both worked and my father went through extended periods of unemployment. He had to retire early as the job he had for 25+ years fizzled out as he entered his 60s. Creative destruction. The closed out a Union shop and replaced it with guess what.
Something else that I find irksome is how businesses hire. Someone leaves for a better job or maybe gets let go. Do they fill it asap with a suitable candidate? No! They are looking for a unicorn, a person who is a perfect fit in every respect. My wife's career was in HR and saw a lot of this. You hear much about the unemployment rate. What about the rate of vacant positions?
We have built a screwy world IMO. One built for billionaires, professionals in high demand and the tech savvy.
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You can get property cheap in Japan one of my coworkers just left to live there and another just bought there.
Australia has also reduced their immigration abd its reducing housing prices.
Lots of countries tho with positive birth rates so not going to effect their as much.
Japan has much lower real income than many western countries. It's position is #25 below countries like the UK, Slovenia, New Zealand, Spain and italy They also experienced a protracted real estate bust when the economic growth bubble burst back in the 90s and the economy contracted after a generation of crazy growth. It's only now seeing some recovery.
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The last series of posts certainly sound familiar. When I was young houses seemed expensive by the standards of the time. I was quite sure I would never own one. After good economic times from about the mid 50s and through the 60s the western world entered a period of "stagflation", a decade of low growth and high inflation which ended in the recession of the early 80s. That all but killed the lumber industry in BC. Many mills closed and men who for decades had secure work, but little varied experience, lost their jobs. It's been a similar story since then as our economy now runs on a model of creative destruction.
Every boomer I know, including my wife and I "worked hard". We claim it was the key to our success. So do millenials and it will be the key to whatever success they achieve. I have 2 adult children in their 30s. They both started out one career path and it didn't quite meet their hopes, re-educated and started anew. One is in the media business & works on live events, everything from hockey games, corporate conferences and news events. It's gig work and they work for 3 or 4 different companies. It's also seasonal; very busy in the fall, late winter and spring but not so busy in summer and at holiday time. "They have to make hay when the sun shines" so they will often work several consecutive days, they are about to start a 16 day consecutive stint at a variety of venues. Often they will work 18+ hours on back to back shifts to get the hours! No 'official' employer, no benefits, no vacation pay and no EI.
I think millenials really do face challenges most boomers never had to worry about. I don't think I would gotten what I had today if I hadn't had a partner/wife who wanted to work and have a career. Ditto for the fact we have stayed together for close to 50 years now. It was similar for my parents. They both worked and my father went through extended periods of unemployment. He had to retire early as the job he had for 25+ years fizzled out as he entered his 60s. Creative destruction. The closed out a Union shop and replaced it with guess what.
Something else that I find irksome is how businesses hire. Someone leaves for a better job or maybe gets let go. Do they fill it asap with a suitable candidate? No! They are looking for a unicorn, a person who is a perfect fit in every respect. My wife's career was in HR and saw a lot of this. You hear much about the unemployment rate. What about the rate of vacant positions?
We have built a screwy world IMO. One built for billionaires, professionals in high demand and the tech savvy.
Once again Ralph. You are ignoring the basic math.
In the early 70s a man with a grade 10 education could go to work in trades and buy a single family home with a nice yard. Keep in mind that BC boxes back then were mostly under 10 years of age. Considered to be very new homes. The wife didn't have to work. They could have multiple kids. Money left over after payday. Homes were paid off in 15 years easy.
Fast forward to 2025:
Both husband and wife need to be working and earning a professional wage at least in order to purchase a single family home with a yard. If just starting out, this usually includes renting out the basement suite in order for the mortgage to be paid. These same BC box homes are now over 50 years old. They are not new anymore.
Forget the wife staying home and raising kids. The husband would have to be a doctor or lawyer for that to happen. Both professions require a person to be almost 28 years of age before school is even finished.
Again Ralph....it's just math. You're an accountant. You should be able to recognize trends and differences. But you don't. Like so many other boomers, you are hardened in your own little boomer bubble.
1970 compared to 2025 financially is like being in a completely different dimension. How do you not see that?
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I'm a millennial, and our standard of living is better than any generation before us. Everyone has a smartphone, people eat out constantly, and most take multiple vacations a year. Sure, it’s not as easy as my cousins in Saskatoon who can afford every toy known to man—but they don’t have BC-level expenses either.
My wife and I crack up when coworkers complain they can’t afford a house… after coming back from their third Taylor Swift concert this year. They eat out for lunch every day, never pack a meal, go out with friends several nights a week, wear new designer clothes, always have the latest iPhone, take girls’ trips to Vegas, and still do an annual Mexico vacation.
Want to know how we bought a house?
We did none of that.
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Once again Ralph. You are ignoring the basic math.
In the early 70s a man with a grade 10 education could go to work in trades and buy a single family home with a nice yard. Keep in mind that BC boxes back then were mostly under 10 years of age. Considered to be very new homes. The wife didn't have to work. They could have multiple kids. Money left over after payday. Homes were paid off in 15 years easy.
Fast forward to 2025:
Both husband and wife need to be working and earning a professional wage at least in order to purchase a single family home with a yard. If just starting out, this usually includes renting out the basement suite in order for the mortgage to be paid. These same BC box homes are now over 50 years old. They are not new anymore.
Forget the wife staying home and raising kids. The husband would have to be a doctor or lawyer for that to happen. Both professions require a person to be almost 28 years of age before school is even finished.
Again Ralph....it's just math. You're an accountant. You should be able to recognize trends and differences. But you don't. Like so many other boomers, you are hardened in your own little boomer bubble.
1970 compared to 2025 financially is like being in a completely different dimension. How do you not see that?
Hah Hah Hah! What does you usual rant have to do with what I said? Nothing! If I "do the math" (again you aren't talking about math. You don't know math from demographics or your arse for that matter) were you born or even much past your toddler years in the early 70s? What do you know about the early 70s. Nothing.
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Hah Hah Hah! What does you usual rant have to do with what I said? Nothing! If I "do the math" (again you aren't talking about math. You don't know math from demographics or your arse for that matter) were you born or even much past your toddler years in the early 70s? What do you know about the early 70s. Nothing.
What a typical immature 'spinning' response from you. I shouldn't have expected anything else from you.
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Hah Hah Hah! What does you usual rant have to do with what I said? Nothing! If I "do the math" (again you aren't talking about math. You don't know math from demographics or your arse for that matter) were you born or even much past your toddler years in the early 70s? What do you know about the early 70s. Nothing.
Unless you are just trying to personally attack the guy, which is between the two of you,
you have shown nothing that indicates that YOU know what you are talking about.
In fact it doesn't take a high degree of math to know that economy, life and prospects in general peaked in the 70s.
It was the best it was ever going to be for people here.
It's all downhill from there.
On occasion there is a credit boom that gives people are temporary high, but everything else is more or less a hangover.
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I say again I said nothing about the 70s other than it was a period of "stagflation". That's not math it's verifiable fact. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stagflation
Adriaticum what was your experience of the 70s? I came of age in the 70s and I can tell you not many though highly of the decade at the time. Gary Trudeau, author of the Doonsbury comic strip called it "..a kidney stone of a decade!" as it turned into the 80s. It's like now that he is gone, Mulroney was a great Prime Minister. He was called the most hated man in Canada when he left office. The future reinvents the past. It's a recognized historical phenomena.
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I say again I said nothing about the 70s other than it was a period of "stagflation". That's not math it's verifiable fact. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stagflation
Adriaticum what was your experience of the 70s? I came of age in the 70s and I can tell you not many though highly of the decade at the time. Gary Trudeau, author of the Doonsbury comic strip called it "..a kidney stone of a decade!" as it turned into the 80s. It's like now that he is gone, Mulroney was a great Prime Minister. He was called the most hated man in Canada when he left office. The future reinvents the past. It's a recognized historical phenomena.
My friends dad said he was working in construction in 1970's making 22$ an hour and in the 80's he was making 5$ an hour just to keep his job.
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My friends dad said he was working in construction in 1970's making 22$ an hour and in the 80's he was making 5$ an hour just to keep his job.
Yeah I can believe that. I have a story like that myself. By the late 70s Union construction workers were highly paid for the time. But as I also said above, the 70s were followed by a deep recession and Unionized construction work in BC all but vanished. Most of those firms were wiped out as were the jobs. The 70s were a decade of high inflation and an inflationary wage and price cycle that crippled the economy. In the early 80s interest rates approached 20%. My Sister and brother in law refinanced at 18% over 5 years. When we bought our first house the rate we got was about 11% and we felt very lucky - that was a good rate for the time.
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Interesting stat from an article in Fortune mag. It's about the USA but it's probably much the same up here.
https://fortune.com/2025/11/07/housing-market-affordability-crisis-40-year-old-first-time-homebuyer/ (https://fortune.com/2025/11/07/housing-market-affordability-crisis-40-year-old-first-time-homebuyer/)
"Average American first-time homebuyer is 40 years old"
"A year ago, the median age was 38 years old, and that’s up from 36 in 2022, 33 in 2020 and 28 in 1991."
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My friends dad said he was working in construction in 1970's making 22$ an hour and in the 80's he was making 5$ an hour just to keep his job.
I had a number of buddies on work share programs in the early 1980's. hated all their mid week fishing they had while I still had my 5 day a week job.
Another not talked about part of the late 1970's early 1980's is the incredibly high interest rates compared to today. Made purchasing anything a challenge.
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Interesting stat from an article in Fortune mag. It's about the USA but it's probably much the same up here.
https://fortune.com/2025/11/07/housing-market-affordability-crisis-40-year-old-first-time-homebuyer/ (https://fortune.com/2025/11/07/housing-market-affordability-crisis-40-year-old-first-time-homebuyer/)
"Average American first-time homebuyer is 40 years old"
"A year ago, the median age was 38 years old, and that’s up from 36 in 2022, 33 in 2020 and 28 in 1991."
wonder how much of the age change is bad habits, poor money management. pre social media there wasn't all the "FOMO" happening and in your face marketing around tricking you into spending money you don't have. Home brewed coffee in the morning vs $10 at Tim's or Starbuck every day. Holiday trips all over the world on credit. My parents had to scrimp and save to be able to keep a roof over our head, clothed and fed. Nowadays the 20-40 crowd are all jet setting all over the world spending like crazy.
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Yes, while I am convinced the financial barriers of home ownership is a significant factor in the post boomer generations slow adoption of traditional lifestyles there are others as well. Pre-covid there was a lot of noise about how they valued "experiences" over possessions (hence the rejection of home ownership for travel). Plus there is the growing gender divide; women approaching 30 to 40 interested in raising a family versus men addicted to avoiding commitment; the manosphere vs the new feminism and so on. Of course these values interact. If you can't afford a house and family concentrate your efforts on other values. BTW my son and girlfriend bought a condo in the center of Vancouver during the pandemic, both in their mid-30s. They really love it!
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As for the Richmond ruling, it's the first time UNDRIP has come into direct conflict with common law in Canada. It is true that the band originally didn't ask for title to private land, but now that they won, they are asking for way more on appeal. Clearly it has to end somewhere, as UNDRIP is not a blank cheque. I think this ruling, and the inevitable appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada, sets up a discussion that in the end will result in private property rights being upheld in Canada. Anything else will result in a conflict that neither side wants.
Completely agree, feel sorry for the land owners who are caught in the drama intill the dust settles.
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As for the Richmond ruling, it's the first time UNDRIP has come into direct conflict with common law in Canada. It is true that the band originally didn't ask for title to private land, but now that they won, they are asking for way more on appeal. Clearly it has to end somewhere, as UNDRIP is not a blank cheque. I think this ruling, and the inevitable appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada, sets up a discussion that in the end will result in private property rights being upheld in Canada. Anything else will result in a conflict that neither side wants.
While AFAIK the case, trial and ruling did not rely mainly on UNDRIP. My interpretation is the conflict is with the 1982 Constitution Act and the summary of the court declaration is:
"The Crown grants of fee simple interest in the Cowichan Title Lands, and the Crown vesting of the soil and freehold interest in certain highway lands in the Cowichan Title Lands, unjustifiably infringe the Cowichan’s Aboriginal title;"
"With respect to the Cowichan Title Lands, BC owes a duty to the Cowichan to negotiate in good faith reconciliation of the Crown granted fee simple interests held by third parties and the Crown vesting of the soil and freehold interest to Richmond with Cowichan Aboriginal title, in a manner consistent with the honour of the Crown;..."
the ruling is available here: https://www.canlii.org/en/bc/bcsc/doc/2025/2025bcsc1490/2025bcsc1490.html#SCJTITLEBookMark5401
a further analysis is available here: https://jfklaw.ca/cowichan-tribes-and-private-property-separating-fact-from-fiction/
where they state:
"The Court also did not hold that Aboriginal title automatically or necessarily displaces fee simple title. Instead, the Court clarified that Aboriginal title and fee simple interests can coexist, though their exercise may sometimes conflict. What the decision makes clear is that reconciliation is needed between these overlapping interests, and it is British Columbia’s constitutional obligation to advance that reconciliation."
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Yes, while I am convinced the financial barriers of home ownership is a significant factor in the post boomer generations slow adoption of traditional lifestyles there are others as well. Pre-covid there was a lot of noise about how they valued "experiences" over possessions (hence the rejection of home ownership for travel). Plus there is the growing gender divide; women approaching 30 to 40 interested in raising a family versus men addicted to avoiding commitment; the manosphere vs the new feminism and so on. Of course these values interact. If you can't afford a house and family concentrate your efforts on other values. BTW my son and girlfriend bought a condo in the center of Vancouver during the pandemic, both in their mid-30s. They really love it!
Good take , I hear my gen y\z kids saying this as well and I think it's just grousing about having to do what the adults did before them . The other factor is that the newer generation is less likely to drive a old junker and buy a old fixer upper in the burbs like I did . Agree that road to home ownership can start with a condo .People who have worked for 40 + years are the ones driving better vehicles and living in homes that they have renovated . Where there's a will there's a way .
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The other factor is that the newer generation is less likely to drive a old junker and buy a old fixer upper in the burbs like I did . .
Answer for that is simple. The 1990s are over.
The days of fixing your own vehicles is all but over for the average Joe.
I'm useless at fixing vehicles, but back in the day..... even I could get my 90s Ford Ranger up and running when it broke down on a FSR. Those days of buying a cheap used vehicle and doing the maintenance and repairs yourself are over. Every vehicle newer than approx the year 2000 requires proprietary tools....some require multiple proprietary tools. When these newer vehicles break down....you're looking to start at 1000$ just to have the mechanic open the hood. The average Joe CANNOT fix most things on these newer vehicles....
So yeah....it's easier to just buy something new or with low mileage and have peace of mind. Why buy a 2005 beater when you are still going to pay through the nose to keep it running?
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Missing the point again ,
Sure you can buy a new vehicle , along with the 600 dollar payment and then complain that you have no money .
Lots of decent vehicles out there that can be fixed or driven on the cheap , its just the will to drive them .
These also have a better insurance rate .
As for proprietary tools you can buy a code scanner that will tell you whats wrong with your vehicle .
Of the older vehicles , yes the lower mileage ones are the ones to buy .
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Missing the point again ,
Sure you can buy a new vehicle , along with the 600 dollar payment and then complain that you have no money .
Lots of decent vehicles out there that can be fixed or driven on the cheap , its just the will to drive them .
These also have a better insurance rate .
As for proprietary tools you can buy a code scanner that will tell you whats wrong with your vehicle .
Of the older vehicles , yes the lower mileage ones are the ones to buy .
You're not listening. Most of us don't have an issue with driving an older vehicle.
You must be a good mechanic. It's easy to sit back and talk about fixing your own vehicle if you are able to. The majority of people today have no means or idea of how to work and maintain vehicles that are new than 2000 or so.
As for proprietary tools you can buy a code scanner that will tell you whats wrong with your vehicle .
A scanner doesn't fix your vehicle for you and many of the scanner codes are vague. You can punch a scanner code into google and 10 different 'maybes' come up. An average Joe isn't going to touch that. What a dumb suggestion.
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Buy a older used vehicle
I don't own a nice truck until I was over 40 ,even then it was a lease return
If it needs fixing , YouTube is always available and is a mountain of information .
Not everyone has 1000 dollars to fix there vehicle like you do .
Brakes , oil changes , simple things are always worth trying
The code scanner has a website that will tell you what's happening and what parts to buy , if you have the time and inclination you can figure it out .
Anyway the point being that we live in a instant gratification mindset now .
Our parents may have never owned a nice vehicle or lived in a brand new house .
They waited until they could afford it .
Having said that I see that the price of real estate has dropped down in the condo\apt space.
A good place to start for 1st time buyer .
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Ok, so you live in a condo/apt, where you going to fix your vehicle? Walmart parking lot, Can't do it in the condo parkade, where you going to keep the tools and pan for the old oil? Most condos are not big enough to keep all your stuff in, and if you happen to be with a woman, there is no chance of having any spare space for tools. Shoes and cloths will be jammed in every corner.
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What a dumb suggestion.
Additionally, in the past month:
"This comment almost made me throw up in my mouth. Are you living under a rock?"
"This is the dumbest thing I've read on the internet this morning"
"You make no sense"
My goodness man. At what point in your emotional and cognitive development did you not acquire the skills to have reasonable discussions and constructive disagreement?
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Ok, so you live in a condo/apt, where you going to fix your vehicle? Walmart parking lot
No the Canadian Tire lot is usually the one you see people swapping batteries,adding oil , air filters ,wiper blades.
Canadian Tire will take old oil and batteries
I know people who usually do in the parents driveway , my nephew changes the Oil at work .
It's a bummer that condo rules aren't more relaxed but I guess after 1 messy oil change that was the end of that.
Admittedly the bigger jobs like brakes \minor engine parts you need a driveway .
When I am talking about car repairs my thoughts are mainly concerning guys, no offense to anyone.
Always thinking of you can save yourself that shop rate X how many hours , the savings can be significant
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I'd rather just have the car payment. I've done my time wrenching on garbage. At this point in my life my time is more important. I still enjoy wrenching on my sports cars though.
I let close buddies come and wrench at my place that live in place's that wont let them wrench. Feel sorry for them. Its expensive being poor. Can't even get free air for your tires anymore.
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Its expensive being poor.
I always think of a quote from the movie Whithnail and I: "Free to those that can afford it, and very expensive for those that cant."
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Additionally, in the past month:
"This comment almost made me throw up in my mouth. Are you living under a rock?"
"This is the dumbest thing I've read on the internet this morning"
"You make no sense"
My goodness man. At what point in your emotional and cognitive development did you not acquire the skills to have reasonable discussions and constructive disagreement?
At what point you ask?
My discussions and disagreement are more than reasonable. but at the end of the day, lack of common sense and logic need to be called out.
Everyone of the 3 quotes from me are 100% reasonable because they are true in regards as to the comment they replied to.
For example:
Let's take this comment by salmonrook.
Carney has a proven track record as a business man and thats why they voted for him after the mess that Trudeau left
I replied with "This comment almost made me throw up in my mouth. Are you living under a rock?"
A person has to be completly freaking delusional to say what salmonrook said in the quote I just shared.
This is not about opinion. This is common sense. This is common accountablity.
Mark Carney just tried to hide a 94 billion dollar deficit as an 'investment'. He got caught redhanded. NO ONE is even arguing what Carney attempted to do here.
And salmonrook goes and calls him a 'proven record as a business man'. Are you kidding me?
Again....yes...sometimes we can have our opinions and then there are times when people just post pure ignorance because they won't take their head out of the sand.
You have to understand that subtle rebuke doesn't work with guys like that. They need to hear the brutal truth until they wake up and understand how real life works.
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"Just the facts Ma'am "
Mark Carney has a Phd in Economics from the University Of Oxford (1995)
his employment record:
Career timeline over 37 years:
Prime Minister of Canada: March 2025 – Present
Brookfield Asset Management: Chair and Head of Transition Investing, August 2020 – January 2025
United Nations: Special Envoy on Climate Action and Finance, 2020 – January 2025
Bank of England: Governor, 2013 – 2020
Financial Stability Board: Chair, 2011 – 2018
Bank of Canada: Governor, 2007 – 2013
Department of Finance Canada: Senior Associate Deputy Minister, 2004 – 2007
Bank of Canada: Deputy Governor, 2003 – 2004
Goldman Sachs: Various roles, including Managing Director, 1988–2003
...of which about 20 years could be said to be in investment banking. The rest is in Government or public administration.
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"Just the facts Ma'am "
Mark Carney has a Phd in Economics from the University Of Oxford (1995)
his employment record:
Career timeline over 37 years:
Prime Minister of Canada: March 2025 – Present
Brookfield Asset Management: Chair and Head of Transition Investing, August 2020 – January 2025
United Nations: Special Envoy on Climate Action and Finance, 2020 – January 2025
Bank of England: Governor, 2013 – 2020
Financial Stability Board: Chair, 2011 – 2018
Bank of Canada: Governor, 2007 – 2013
Department of Finance Canada: Senior Associate Deputy Minister, 2004 – 2007
Bank of Canada: Deputy Governor, 2003 – 2004
Goldman Sachs: Various roles, including Managing Director, 1988–2003
...of which about 20 years could be said to be in investment banking. The rest is in Government or public administration.
So what?
Anyone who is even slightly decent in HR will tell you that a resume is only a 'starting point'
Resumes today can be artificially polished, references can be faked, etc, etc.
I'm not accusing Carney of anything on his resume, but a resume in itself means zilch. That's why it is a 'starting point'.
With Carney, the second you start interviewing him, it becomes as plain as day he is a shiester.
And another thing Ralph...again....because you can't get past your province newspaper and CBC.....I'll tell you about some warnings the British gave us about Carney that you probably know nothing about. None of your 'bought and paid for by the Liberals' mainstream media even touched any of this before the election. Carney's resume means nothing. Let's get some facts from his 'previous employers' instead.
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=c63334948c511703fa231e25d1dc87fb6e9b935aa57d228c08d2ca929d7a32daJmltdHM9MTc2MzU5NjgwMA&ptn=3&ver=2&hsh=4&fclid=17d2cfe5-47c7-68df-085a-d94c460069fe&psq=The+british+warned+Canada+about+Carney&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly9uYXRpb25hbHBvc3QuY29tL29waW5pb24vYnJpdHMtd2Fybi1jYW5hZGFzLW5ldy1wcmltZS1taW5pc3Rlci1oYXMtcmV2ZXJzZS1taWRhcy10b3VjaA
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=a976c85e26e6348bdd885e980ac730c6bed26718b2edbb10ed4faa9e25326d57JmltdHM9MTc2MzU5NjgwMA&ptn=3&ver=2&hsh=4&fclid=17d2cfe5-47c7-68df-085a-d94c460069fe&psq=The+british+warned+Canada+about+Carney&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaW5kZXBlbmRlbnQuY28udWsvbmV3cy91ay9wb2xpdGljcy9tYXJrLWNhcm5leS1iYW5rLW9mLWVuZ2xhbmQtYnJleGl0LWNhbmFkYS1iMjc0MTYzNy5odG1s
https://www.westernstandard.news/news/scathing-uk-publication-warns-canada-about-carney/62959
I could give you 100s of these.....straight from Britain, but you and I both know that you'll just bury your head in the sand again.
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Well Bobby if I got an email with links such as the first 2 you posted, I'd delete them as probable phishing attempts. I'm also familiar with Western Standard News so understand why you pick that as a reference. But that's just the sort of pot calling the kettle black logic you rely on.
As far as Carney's proven track record as a businessman, it's just a matter of opinion and definition. What is a businessman? He has an extensive background in business, no doubt about that but is in a specific sort of business much like his experience in government.
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Well Bobby if I got an email with link such as the first 2 you posted, I'd delete them as probable phishing attempts. I'm also familiar with Western Standard News so understand why you pick that as a reference. But that's just the sort of pot calling the kettle black logic you rely on.
As far as Carney's proven track record as a businessman, it's just a matter of opinion and definition. What is a businessman? He has an extensive background in business, no doubt about that but is in a specific sort of business much like his experience in government.
There are 100s more sources on this...but it wouldn't matter if I gave you 10000 sources. You are stale (like the majority of boomers) and unteachable.
I noticed you have nothing to say about Carney's attempted 94 billion dollar coverup.
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By and large I don't care and have no interest in what or how many sources you provide. I have much the same feeling in your opinions. To me they are all basically worthless. IMO you rely on crap knowledge and sources.
As to Carney's qualifications to be PM, that's another matter. The proof will be in the pudding as they say. However it's clear this guy does not walk on water. A metaphor you should appreciate.
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Thanks for all the homework Ralph
I now realize how educated and experienced Carney REALLY is .
I guess some can be taken to school and still not believe facts laid out before them ,preferring to have their head in the sand because they don't belong to the right colour party .
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By and large I don't care and have no interest in what or how many sources you provide. I have much the same feeling in your opinions. To me they are all basically worthless. IMO you rely on crap knowledge and sources.
As to Carney's qualifications to be PM, that's another matter. The proof will be in the pudding as they say. However it's clear this guy does not walk on water. A metaphor you should appreciate.
I can't even find a meme anywhere to depict you.
Look, I know you are an old stale man with very few years left, and perhaps that is why you don't care about the future of Canada....or much of anything other than your own comfort.
I would never wish ill on anyone, but I do hope you live for another 20 years+ because in 20 years, when the government/Natives have taken your private property you paid for, your pension and every other form of private property that you earned and worked hard for that you thought you would just so easily pass down to your family line......even YOU will then realize.... the folly of the path taken in Canada that you so strongly supported.
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LOL Bobby, if you weren't so hilariously laughable I would feel sad for you! ;D
Keep your chin up! The world may have a sh*t load of problems but things will be ok in the long run.
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A major shift in conscience needs to happen before things get better, and that takes time. Things could change faster if people stop doing things that maintain the illusion of having a choice or a free society. Voting is one these things. I had a period of not voting for I do not want to prop up the illusion, give it credit of legitimacy. I caved this last election and went to vote for PPC - a party in an informational blackout. You want things to change? Don't prop the illusion!
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These boomers are as stale as 5 year old crackers. Does the country have to be completely destroyed before they finally wake up.
Someone needs take their CBC and The Province newspaper away from them and give them some reliable sources.
I really wonder if it even came down to them losing their OAS and CPP if that would wake them up. Probably not. Most of todays boomers are unteachable stale relics.
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