Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Hohummm on October 13, 2004, 08:43:54 AM
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OK, so it's time to retire the 10-10 and 6500 to a place of honour on the wall and now I'm looking for advice on a replacement. I spend most of my river fishing time on the Stave, so it needs to be able to handle ugly dogs, but I'd like it to be light enough to allow for some fun on smaller fish and allow for reasonable casting of light gear. I don't mind spending $$ on something that'll last as long as my old stuff, but I still need to justify it to my wife, so cost is a concern.
Any recommendations?
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If you go with a loomis GL2 or GL3 I don't think you'll be disappointed.
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a sage 2106b would be nice, i use it for coho,dogs and spring(be careful with spring though)
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Bug Pumper has a very nice St Croix that will be at least $150 cheaper than the loomis (I think).
If you are going to shell out that type of $$'s for a loomis, I would go to Sage. My 3113 is fun on the cap for the little coho and is strong enough for 40lb whites on the vedder. 2106 is a VERY nice blank too.
Cant beat sages lifetime gaurantee either...helps ensure that investment will be safe for a long time to come!
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hmmm
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Like others Sage 2106. Talon will certainly handle the big chums and chinooks but in my opinion a gross overkill for the smaller fish.
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Exactly my thought...my buddy's talon comes out in high water and for springs....he wont take it to the cap. Maybe talon has a light action blank, in which case I could see that being a very nice choice too.
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The Rainshadow is a very nice blank for a custom, but not less than $300 unless you build yourself. Jaymers in Poco sell customs for around $375...very nice rods. The builder is very anal about his work. I have the 3106, paired up with a seldex and it seems to be fine for coho, steel, and even chum, but springs kick it's a$$. They do have a very 5120 that will definately do the job on big springs, while still being sensitive enough for coho and steel.
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Obviously Sage and Loomis are great if you have $400 to shell out. At $150 the Fenwick HMX 10'6" is a great rod. Shimano Convergence 10' 6" at $80 is even a better deal.
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I find the Shimano Convergence is able to handle anything that the Stave River has to offer. Good Rod at a even better price :)
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Cool....Lots of good info. A question about warranties. The only rod I've ever broken in my life was one that i closed the trunk of my car on. D'oh! So, how important is a "lifetime" warranty. I've had some big fish hooked (possibly foul hooked) in heavy water and never had a problem. If it looks like it's going to break something, I sacrifice line and terminal gear over the rod every time. Are people breaking rods often enough that that it's an issue or are they getting used/abused hard because there IS a good warranty?
Also, how about reel selections?
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It's all about having the peace of mind that when your rod breaks you don't have to worry about buying another rod. Much like having fire insurance. Nice to have but hopefully never to use. BTW most warranties cover replacing the rod blank. It's up to you to have the guides put on
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I've broken 5 rods in my life time.
One orvis 5wt where the reel seat fell apart while i was in my float tube, lifetime warranty covered replacement within 4 weeks.
One Shimano Convergence that I bought at fred's tackle, used the rod twice and it fell apart on me. I took it back to Fred's and they replaced it free of charge with a newer model.
One DragonFly 5wt where i broke the top guide off. I'm not sure how the guide broke. Angler's West is taking care of it as we speak. I'm not sure how much it will cost (probably around $20).
One Diawa Mooching Rod, THis rod broke right above the handle, not sure what the reason for it was but it was around 15 years old and fiberglass and had been used on many many springs. Broke it while playing a big spring (tyee) in the chuck. I handed the top section of the rod to my buddy and tried to maintain tension but alas that fish got away. I havent tried to replace it yet, When I do I will likely just buy a new Shimano Mooching/Trolling Rod of some sort.
I also broke a cheapo spin casting outfit a couple of years ago by falling on it,while bushwacking along the shores of buntzen lake.
If I were to buy another rod today I would likely buy one with a lifetime warranty, since I have a track record of having rods break. One thing I would consider is how long it takes for a warranty to replace a rod. Is Sage a over the counter replacement, where you take the rod to a shop and they hand you a new one? Or are they like Orvis where you have to mail it in?
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If you break your Sage or Loomis rod you will be charged a shipping fee plus you will have to pay to get your guides put back on. If the bottom half breaks you will need not only the guides but also the cork. It's not cheap. If you break a Shimano or the Fenwick within the first year most tackle shops will replace them for you without charge. If you look after them properly chances are most rods will last you a lifetime. Just don't dangle your rods out of the back of your pickup truck when you move to another location. For the price of one Sage or Loomis you can buy 3 Fenwicks, or 5 Shimanos. If money is not an issue then get a Sage 3113MB or a Loomis GL3 1263. They are beautiful rods and are nice to use, but they don't necessarily get you more fish. Kinda like buying Nike golf clubs won't make you Tiger Woods.
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As for myself, l like a 3-4 pieces rod. Like if you don't mind to spend the money, go for a custom sage 8100-4 XP, build in to any configuration you like or another option, would be a sage 996 RPLXi, its a 3 pieces, its perfect for baitcasting, lots of power, light.. better then other drift rods on the market. If you don't like custom rods then either the Loomis GL3 series or the Lamiglas Dave Vedder series... Hope you find a new rod soon, casue we still got a long season ahead of us.....
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Joedavis...have you ever actually had to use the lifetime warrantee program with sage....I bet you havent! You are not correct in you posting regarding sages warrantee. I closed the car door on my 990 RPL breaking both halves...cost be $35 buck for a BRAND NEW ROD!
If you buy a custom built rod, then maybe you are also looking at cork or guides...but thats not the case on factory rods...be aware of that and check with the shop you buy it from regarding the warrantee program. BTW I got that rod on ebay from a guy in australia so if you are lucky, even a cheaper 2nd hand sage could work!
Oh ya a budy and I recently built some rods up...he tied a 3 piece st croix for bait cast....he said the thirds tend to rotate on him while fishing...his advice was only build a 3 or 4 piece with the guides underhung (centre pin or fly).
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One more thing, a good rod can make you a better fisherman! I have landed 4 summer run steelhead (6-9 lbs) on the same 4 lb leader...My 3113 with its length and limberness helped take the shock out of a ton of jumps and sizzling runs too.
I bet most of those fish would have snapped off on a cheaper/heavier rod (like a convergence).
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Gooey, SInce you obviously have used some of the more expensive rods do you notice a difference in the arc when you have a fishon? My convergence arcs to such a degree I'm always scared that its going to shatter when I hook into a spring or even a foul hooked chum. My rod is a medium/slow rod I think, I wonder if that has anything to do with it. I'd love to pick up a rod that while still sensitive has a little more backbone to it. Do the Sage and other upper end rods offer this?
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Give Russ a call at Stryker. 604 585 6948
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Hey Gooey,
You bet wrong. ;D I also had a "factory Sage RPL flyrod" replaced for a nominal fee, which I think was around $40. Yes, for factory flyrods you get a replacement part complete with guides/cork (or new rod). We're talking about Sage drift rods here and since Sage doesn't make any "factory" drift rods what I posted earlier are the facts. I have used Sage 3113MB for years and I have had to replace the upper half of the rod once and I am guessing that you haven't had to replace your 3113 yet. You'll see what I mean about the costs.
Also the colour of the blank they sent back was slightly lighter than that of the original blank. Had to wait quite a long time too. Lucky I have two 3113's. ;D
Sandhead...the Sage 3113 will be all you need if you are looking for a great rod. I am very happy with mine.
Loomis rods have more sensitive and faster tip. The 1263 GL3 is as good as the 3113 but the older Loomis IM6 1263 was the best rod ever built according to some of my older fishing friends.
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There is a Sage 3106lb posted on the for sale page.
Here is the link:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=5191.0
(http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=5191.0)
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I've been having a blast with my new Stryker 2106 on the Vedder. Russ sells them at $375. Great for coho, can handle smallish chum and spring. The blank is rainshadow. The components, up to you, you choose them, he puts on the rod. I also have the Stryker 3106, but I find that slightly too heavy for the type of fishing I do, which is mostly sculpi... oops I meant coho. :)
http://www.rodandreel.ca
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Rodney,
What rod would you recommend for Chum and Spring fishing?
If i were to get a new rod, I'd probably keep my convergence for coho and pink fishing and use my new rod for spring and chum fishing. I've never figured out what the action refers to. What does it refer to? Slow action mean a stiffer rod?
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I'll tell you after Friday as we are doing some Squamish chum action then. ;) I'll be testing the 3106 on the chum. I've been told the 3106 is sufficient enough for the chum and spring. Basically, the higher the first digit is, the heavier/stiffer/stronger the rod is.
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Oh ya a budy and I recently built some rods up...he tied a 3 piece st croix for bait cast....he said the thirds tend to rotate on him while fishing...his advice was only build a 3 or 4 piece with the guides underhung (centre pin or fly).
well Gooey, i myself and other member on this board both builded a St. Croix 3 pieces 10 1/2 footer 9wt into a baitcaster. We have caught anything from jack coho to 30+lb spring, never had any problem. Nothing like your friends mention with twisting or rotateing while fishing. The only problem it might casue this problem is your friend didn;t "spine" the rod right before building it.
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I find the Shimano Convergence is able to handle anything that the Stave River has to offer. Good Rod at a even better price :)
i 2nd that... when ive used for almost half a year now. right now is my number 1 choice. even thought i have never hooked one of those magneficent cohos/springs you guys been talking about...
before i have alwaysed used the rod in a way that i dont stress it. but i accident hooked a seal once at ambleside and the thing took a nose dive right into the pier... like bending my rod all the way down ... finally my line snapped but ... with that kind of force.. im pretty impress with the quality of the rod... oh and i paid 80 for mine at Army and navy :)
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My Berkley IM7 has been a pleasure and usually priced about 1/2 way between a Convergence/St Croix vs Sage/Loomis.
I have found that manufactures' ( sp? been a long time since school) are usually happy to replace your rod for virtually any breakage. ESPECIALLY if you go to the fishing store you frequent. I've had at least 4 replaced. The Stave is notorious for breaking rods.
Your friendly tackle store will probably also answer your questions equally happily. If you want to save a few bucks, they may have some on sale. Rods are pretty personal, I would check a few.
Tough job, but I think you'll manage ;)
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Good point on the Sage bait rods all beig custom now...never thought about that!
You know a 3113mb is rated for 10-17lb mainline I believe. I fish 12-15 main (depending on season) and never fish above 12lb leader...you should find it virtually impossible to break a 3113mb under those circumstances and 12lb main is usaully enfuff to land the biggest brutes on the vedder.
I'll be the first to admit there is a bit of a snobbery to using a high end rod like a sage, but personally, I just find them more enjoyable. I find a nice soft rod great for casting as it slowly loads up and slings the bait out ( that action is critical for center pins). And once you get fish on, having a rod that you can fell and see the head shakes thru the whole rod...that really adds to it for me! I like the nice even bend on my 3113 and I find it has enuff back bone for bigger fish too. Keep in mind that the slower the rod and the heavier the back bone, the less enjoyable the rod will be for smaller species like coho or summer run steelhead. my buddy hass a 2106 sage and lovers it He was beached many large springs with it and got 2nd place in freds steelhead derby with an 18lber and yet its a great coho rod too. the 3106 should be a little beefier but still a great rod for coho. The one on the board is not a bad price either.
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I've got two 3113's , a 3106 , and a 4120 all Sage Rods and I love em all. They are very sensitive and all catch my share of fish, you wouldn't be disappointed.
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Does sage make a 2113?
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TROPHY XL ! BEST ROD 4 YOUR $ !
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Nikka is having a fall fishing sale 3551 Moncton St. Richmond. Sale starts Oct.14 and lasts for 10 days.
For advertisment see page A10 of todays Vancouver Sun.
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I know mostly everyone would love to afford the highend rods,but some of us married types who have wifes who have no understanding of the virtues of standing on a river bank. What is a reasonably good rod in the $100.00 range?presently I use a Berkley IM7 10'6 ,I have found it a bit to light when you hook a big spring (targeting Koho).
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Shimanao Convergence is a decent rod and in your price range. Also, if you like your Berkely you can get a Berkely Canadian specialist series 10'6" for about $90.00 at Marine West on Second and Fir in Vancouver. Not a bad rod for the price. It's a medium casting rod.
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I had a trophy XL fraser king and it was a great (cheap) rod. I also really like my diawa algonquin 10.5...its a beater for the fraser but its still a nice blank.
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Lots of great suggestions here, but basically go with the best you can afford. Not everyone can afford a custom built Sage, which is why I build my own, if I want a big name. Shimano, Berkley, Trophy ,Diawa, Fenwick, and St.Croix all build very useable and reasonably priced sticks, that will serve you well for years if they are not abused. :)
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yeah, I also have a sage 3106 and it broke and pay up I did,,,
but it's a sweet rod though . I heard if you break a st. croix they just replace the broken Half . you dont have to pay for no new guides etc.etc. but I haven't used one, so I dont know how they fish, any one else use a st. croix?
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Thanks everyone, I couldn't decide, so Santa made the choice for me. Woke up on Christmas morning to find a Convergence with a shimano corvalus waiting for me. WhooHoo!
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Yayyyyy another member of the Convergence club!!!!!
mike
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for you money go with the sage 3113 the best action rod ive ever used, once you go with a soft rod you'll never go back, also the best liftime warrenty in the rod buissines, you could snap the rod over your knee and they'll replace it for you, you just have to pay shipping charges. They are expensive so i dont know if they are the rods for you but bar non the best rod, if you say others are the best you havent fished with a sage. 8)
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I've never figured out what the action refers to. What does it refer to? Slow action mean a stiffer rod?
A slow action rod will bend throughout the blank and a fast action rod has a sensitive tip. The stiffness (amount of force needed to make a rod bend) is usually measured as light, medium, heavy, etc.
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lot's of good advice here but..... you CANNOT get the original series blanks from sage for drift rods. They have gone full factory rods only, changed the colour, and they are outrageously priced.
Talon makes a L2 (10ft 6) which is probably exactly what your after, they also make a LT2 and a ML2 and none of these are sticks.
Loomis has discontinued most of thier 11ft rods and blanks that were popular up here, though some of thier 10.6 models are availlable. If you are at all hard on gear, don't get a GL3 they are beautiful rods to fish but in the wrong hands they can break easy... awesome rod though.
I would look at a GL2 1262 or 1263 in the STR version for the line ratings you use
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Hey all,
Just my 2 cents, I have a trophy XL with an okuma avenger reel...I know it not a top of line rod, but for the money it is a great rod, I've landed a pretty fat spring on the vedder and yet it was light enough to still have a great time with 2-4 lb trout.
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this thread was started OCTOBER 3rd 2004 :o
I know its been a crappy coho season but are we all sooooo bored that we are diggin thru the archives for entertainment??? :P
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Sure hope Hohumm has bought a new rod by now. ;D
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Gooey, yes. ;)
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If you want I can start $#!@ ;)
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Don't worry. He said he didn't have to make the decision. Santa made it for him.. ;)
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Sure hope Hohumm has bought a new rod by now. ;D
And it got PLENTY of use!!!