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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: marbles on September 30, 2009, 04:12:09 PM
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I was wondering how many people here have hiked arund the vedder,and what can of luck you have had over the years??I mean standing shoulder to shoulder at the alison pool just doesnt seem like fun.aslo I have heard of car break in's???
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Prob everybody on this forum has, it's the only way to get away from the crowds and find new spots you have never fished before. Just remember there are no real secret spots on the Vedder unless it gets blown out and creates new ones we all have to re-discover.
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generally, a short walk of 10 minutes or so from the "shoulder to shoulder spots" will get you a "less shoulder to shoulder" area. it's probably difficult to find a spot where you have no one else in sight, but it sure is nicer.
I was also warned by a few different people about break-in's. it's unfortunate but not having valuables in the car is probably all we could do, and hope for the best. I feel the good thing about places where a lot of people are at, is safety. Last time I was at Vedder, I was at spot where many people were and parked in a parking lot and there were people coming and going at all times, which made me feel safer.
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OK I get the not so shoulder to shoulder,I'm not in search of utopia just
somewhere I don't have to untangle my line regularly and have people get mad because I'm not a
super star fisherman ;D like ::) them
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When you get better casting, some time is not a bad idea to fish with crowds so you can learn a lot of good & bad, life is a choice. you can only learn so much on your own.
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I hear ya,just dont want anyone freaking out,I may have to toss them in the river ;D
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learning from 70% of the people out there is not a great idea to do, there all snagging
Find bottom re adjust your float so your about a foot off the bottom with a piece of roe and work the water, don't rip the line at the end of each drift, if your not hitting bottom and your float goes down its most likely a fish.
So many people rip the line at the end of there drift all it does is foul hooks fish and spooks the fish holding in the area.
Go out have fun and fish properly you will have a much better day with more hook ups !!
Goodluck !!
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learning from 70% of the people out there is not a great idea to do, there all snagging
Find bottom re adjust your float so your about a foot off the bottom with a piece of roe and work the water, don't rip the line at the end of each drift, if your not hitting bottom and your float goes down its most likely a fish.
So many people rip the line at the end of there drift all it does is foul hooks fish and spooks the fish holding in the area.
Go out have fun and fish properly you will have a much better day with more hook ups !!
Goodluck !!thanks alot,all the advice helps,me and friend went salmon fishing for pinks,thats what has us going I havent fished inyears,but when we were at peg leg I was discusted with most of the people there were snagging
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There is a lot of good fisherman on the Vedder, those old guy have lot of trick if you care to listen, just because you short float, don't mean is the only way to go.
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i'm pretty new to fishing as well, and i learned a lot here. In my experience, it was good to learn from others, because after I'd read up on every bit of information these knowledgeable guys have, I was able to tell the difference between the "good and bad" examples. A good combination of ethics and skills is what we want, and this forum can teach you them. When I want visuals with my lessons, though, that's when I look for advice from fellow anglers.
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There is a lot of good fisherman on the Vedder, those old guy have lot of trick if you care to listen, just because you short float, don't mean is the only way to go.
You dont have to be old to know what your doing
If your not short floating then what are you doing ?? long lining
you can short float roe,blades,wool,etc or toss spoons but most spots on the vedder wont allow you to toss spoons casue the water is to low
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Is using wool as productive as using roe? What colors of wool should I be using at this time of year?
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Is using wool as productive as using roe? What colors of wool should I be using at this time of year?
Roe will out perform wool !! only time i ever use wool is when im using jensen eggs for steelhead white or peach with a single jensen thats it
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Roe will out perform wool !! only time i ever use wool is when im using jensen eggs for steelhead white or peach with a single jensen thats it
i've seen a couple of posts on this forum about roe curing, dying, etc...
is that absolutely necessary?
I am planning on going out this weekend, hoping for some cohos, but I can't do any of the curing/dying process because I'm out of town and won't be back until right before I go out. I was originally using yarn, but sounds like it's not gonna be the best way to go?
I guess I'm wondering if I can just walk in anywhere and pick up roe that's gonna be effective for fishing for some cohos
For some reason, I feel like when I read the answer to this, I'm gonna go "duh" but... what is the answer? :D
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Coho are known to be little roe pigs, you could buy some cured roe from a tackle shop.
huh.. look at that..
that answer DID make me go "duh" :-[
thank you though! :)
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You dont have to be old to know what your doing
If your not short floating then what are you doing ?? long lining
you can short float roe,blades,wool,etc or toss spoons but most spots on the vedder wont allow you to toss spoons casue the water is to low
I guess you know it all already, that's when you stop learning.
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ok so roe it is,do I nee to go to bery's bait??or will anyting work??I remeber years ago just using the mohawk gas sation roe,and hooking fish bar fishing,I remeber when bar fishing use to be good,not sure how it is now but I aaaume the coho stocks have dwindled since then :o
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Short floating is the BEST way to avoid foul hooking fish as it is the easiest to learn and master. Its not just the "old guys" that have the tricks. No matter what method is used its the angler that decides if they are snagging fish or not. I would say that 80% of the anglers who snag fish are not even aware that they are actually flossing/snagging the fish.
I wouldn't hit the vedder for how to tips unless you really pay attention to what you are being told and think it through thoroughly. Most of the good anglers are the ones alone, quiet, and hooking fish lol, many of them if approached and asked some questions will be willing to help out, I know I have on many occasions.
another lonely short floater ;D
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I guess you know it all already, that's when you stop learning.
Never said i know it all but i catch allot of fish short floating roe
One you learn to read water and know where fish are travelling and holding, SHORT FLOATING ROE is deadly !!
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Never said i know it all but i catch allot of fish short floating roe
One you learn to read water and know where fish are travelling and holding, SHORT FLOATING ROE is deadly !!
cool I will try this technique for sure
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Meaning? Do you short float as well?
Actually I short float all the time, but i also just bouce off the bottom with a float with pink worm, spinner for steelhead, all I am saying is nothing is so certain in life. You can say all spey fisherman is flosser, but some of them actually can tell the different of a take or a floss. What are you guys going to use when Vedder have a bait ban.
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I look forward to that day IF it ever happens. Maybe Ill take up spey fishing then :P Its doubtful that the vedder will ever change to a bait ban river that would be a HUGE hit to feshwater licence sales and we all know the government only wants our money lol.
You have a very good point, money talk. Vedder really is a put and take fishery.
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i'm planning to go out to vedder this weekend (before sunrise at first daylight)
now i'm considering possibly making another trip to vedder on friday. only thing is, by the time i get there, it'll be late afternoon.
many people have told me there are cohos out there and they just don't bite late in to the day like that, is this true? vedder is a pretty good distance from me, and i don't wanna make a trip that's not recommended..
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How do you guys make the roe stay on the hook longer?
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How do you guys make the roe stay on the hook longer?
I think you can buy roe acks,or roe bags and that will keep it togther for longer,correct me if I'm wrong
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I look forward to that day IF it ever happens. Maybe Ill take up spey fishing then :P Its doubtful that the vedder will ever change to a bait ban river that would be a HUGE hit to feshwater licence sales and we all know the government only wants our money lol.
There are already bait bans at certain times of years and on certain waters, including the Vedder. I know that for many anglers, roe is just a byproduct of your catch. But there are a significant number of people who would kill fish just to harvest the roe (eg. allegations of first nations; even on this thread there are more than a few who selectively fish for females or will catch and release all day but then keep a doe at the end of the day just for the roe; and how many more chums would be killed just for the roe if there wasn't a daily limit of one?) Wouldn't it be better conservation (and more sporting) if there was a total bait ban? And if there were less people buying freshwater fishing licenses and less people on the Vedder, wouldn't that be a good thing?
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And if there were less people buying freshwater fishing licenses and less people on the Vedder, wouldn't that be a good thing?
No. Alot of fisheries programs would be cut from the ones already gone
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How do you guys make the roe stay on the hook longer?
I buy pink color mesh at walmart and tie roe sacks to make it last longer.
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I believe he was referring to a year round bait ban. As long as the fish is eaten why not harvest a doe for the roe? Only keeps the cycle going of bait for fishing... Unless you have a problem with anglers who use bait as it seems like you do judging by your post. I know that if the vedder was a year round bait ban that the number of snaggers out there would sky rocket as what will everyone use? WOOL :-\
I agree with this x2
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I think a bait ban on the Vedder is highly unlikely as the DFO gods and the sports advisory groups would have brought up the increased snagging senario as a certainty. They would rather opt for either a C & R regulation or have a short retention period usually at the end of a species run so those wanting roe only have a limited time to fish therefore limiting the amount of does killed for roe bait fishery.
If there were a serious decline in a specific species or if DFO wanted to protect a specifc run unique to a river system ie: Thompson Coho then the bait ban would be instituted.
I personally have weaned myself off using bait by taken up fly fishing and using artificial lures like wool,plastics,jigs and hardware. I seem to get my fair share of bites which is which is what counts.
Using bait is really about state of mind. If you feel you need bait to get fish then thats what will be used. If you have confidence and have proven that to oneself that you can get bites on artificials then you won't need bait.
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I believe he was referring to a year round bait ban. As long as the fish is eaten why not harvest a doe for the roe? Only keeps the cycle going of bait for fishing... Unless you have a problem with anglers who use bait as it seems like you do judging by your post. I know that if the vedder was a year round bait ban that the number of snaggers out there would sky rocket as what will everyone use? WOOL :-\
Read the second sentence in my post. As the law stands now, if you catch and keep a female, do whatever you want with the roe; eat it, chuck it or use it for bait (if permitted). But, personally, I believe that there is an issue that there are too many people who will only target and kill female fish primarily for the roe to be used as bait. And what should I conclude from your last statement? If anglers can't use roe, they will become snaggers in order to kill the same number of fish as before? Or snaggers can kill more fish than bait fishermen who can kill more fish than artificial lure fishermen? So, yes, in my opinion, if there was a year round bait ban on the Vedder, we would end up killing less fish.
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I was wondering how many people here have hiked arund the vedder,and what can of luck you have had over the years??I mean standing shoulder to shoulder at the alison pool just doesnt seem like fun.aslo I have heard of car break in's???
Park your car anywhere safe-- walk to the river --anywhere-- then walk up or down river to find your own "secret spots" -- much better than elbow to elbow with 30 river hogs --also you meet a better class of people if you walk to "your " spot--Cheers
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I personally dont see aproblem with using bait,using bait while hunting is a whole other argument,snagging should be banned period,that what we should be discussing,when I was at pegleg during the pink season,I caught nothing,while the snaggers cleaned up
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Park your car anywhere safe-- walk to the river --anywhere-- then walk up or down river to find your own "secret spots" -- much better than elbow to elbow with 30 river hogs --also you meet a better class of people if you walk to "your " spot--Cheers
thanks gaffer Im looking forward to saturday,now I dont want anyone to get mad hear and yes I have read the rgs Im just trying to figure tyhe vedder boundaires,from to where can I fish
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the vedder crossing west is fishable is it not??
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thanks for that coho
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the vedder crossing west is fishable is it not??
Yes, it is fishable all the way to the confluence of the Fraser River.
The boundaries and opening times can be found at http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/fish/regulations/docs/0911/fish-synopsis_2009-11_region2.pdf
The Chilliwack River fall salmon fishery information is summarized in this thread: http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=21963.0
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It the mouth of the Vedder (where it meets the Fraser) accessable by walking/car?
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is it private indian land there?
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you can walk to the mouth but there is absolutely nowhere to fish from shore there. We did the walk a few years ago and it sucked to find nothing >:(
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Thanks,
that will save a few thousand calories
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Do not attempt to walk you way to the mouth, You will never find your way back.... But the whole marshy walk there is a good workout. You could drive up to island 22 and walk the railroad tracks, which will take you to an area near the mouth that youll have all to yourself.
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is it suitable with a fly rod or just casting gear?
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Do not attempt to walk you way to the mouth, You will never find your way back.... But the whole marshy walk there is a good workout. You could drive up to island 22 and walk the railroad tracks, which will take you to an area near the mouth that youll have all to yourself.
Let me guess...you have never actually walked to the mouth from Island 22, have you?
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I was going to say the same thing Clarki. Can't be done, so to save some people some time, the mouth of the Vedder is not accessible by foot from Island 22.
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I was looking at the area with google earth. On the left side of hwy1 bridge (heading east) is the green river ... correct?.... which takes you to the mouth. Is there anywhere to park a car along the dyke or near that log sort buisness? Google earth says it about 3 kms or so?
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hey guys this is an awesome site lots of great info. i live in vancouver but tomorrow im gonna head out to the vedder river and im gonna try fishing there at the canal where the highway 1 goes over it, anyone think thats a good beginner spot to try float fishing.i also am having a hard time finding the actual regulations on what kind of fish i can keep and also whats the difference in a fish or a hatchery fish. some basic knowledge would be helpful thanks in advance
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well lets answer that question.
Yes, you can park by the lumber place (Cattermole lumber) and walk the train tracks to the mouth of the Vedder river. now ask yourself if you would risk possible towing because there really isnt a plave to park on the road there?? Would you bother walking about an hour to go somewhere where there is literally NOWHERE to fish from ?? I have done the walk, and when we got there we were hugely dissapointed because there was nowhere to fish at all. I did find this one tiny spot (suitable for 1 guy) that i could cast a lure however i almost fell into the river trying to get down to it because it was almost straight down loose gravel. Did we see any good water ? not really unless you were in a boat because the deeper channel runs the opposite side from where you can get to.
If you really want to have a look for yourself your more then welcome. I have warned you that you will probably find anything however it was a few years ago i went down there so.....ya never know.
and incase your wondering about walking through the lumber yard. if your caught on the property they will escprt you off so you have to sneak around the outer edges to gain access to the river. this WILL NOT get you to the mouth of the Vedder however there is some nice BBing water out there but again its not a short walk. We did this walk once as well. This is my experience(s) of finding the mouth of the Vedder and i hope it either prepares you for your trip or helped you save yourself the troubles.
have fun out there ;D
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Hook,
Thanks for the comments. It's not lost on me that you're simply trying to save me from myself, but I have some other motivations. ;)
I have a golden retriever and a chocolate lab. My plan was to take the dogs out for a good long hike. Perhaps even over a few visits and scout the area and water first. I probably wouldn't even pack a rod the first time. If in the end I come up empty then no worries ... the dogs will still be happy.
It looks to me like I could hoof it down the rail road tracks from Industrial to the bridge, cross the bridge and perhaps find some casting room there at the bottom.
Check out this link: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=49.138793,-122.101954&spn=0.005159,0.013733&t=h&z=17 (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=49.138793,-122.101954&spn=0.005159,0.013733&t=h&z=17) This is what peaked my interest initially ... The topo shows it is not all drop off cliffs there. Is that correct from your recollection?
Anyways, I'm not hung up on the idea I was just tossing it around.
Thanks,
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If you are bringing your dogs be very weary of the bait fishermen's spots.
I've had my dog eat someones bait and hook 1 time and it was a very scary situation that luckily she survived. The line was still on the hook and that kept the hook riding the same and did not allow it to hook in the stomach or intestine.
You can look around the spot you wish to fish before fishing, looking for bait on hooks, as there are many of them who don't clean up there stuff.
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if you look at the area where you dont have to go through all that forest, thats the area we went down to and its quite steep and loose gravel. If your more willing to try and bushwack through all that forest which i think is still steep right by the tracks then your more then welcome because it does look like there would be some good areas through there. dont expect a short hike though ;) remember to bring a machete on your scouting trip because it may come in very handy especially now that everything is over grown.
if you look at from the tracks to the river through those bushes i would bet thats like 1km you might be able to go down by the river and walk the bank, I dont remember there being a way around though but like i said it may have changed slightly since then.
If you go look i would like to hear about what you find.
cheers
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We went to the vedder today and tried several different locations. We only managed to catch pinks. I am new to short float fishing and I was trying not to snag fish but did end of snagging some. I played with the depth of my float I tried between 12-24 inches and I was still snagging fish. My setup was a float a three way swivel a piece of lead and a short leader with roe or wool. I was adjusting the distance between my float and lead. Am I doing something wrong or is there just to many pinks in the river right now and this cannot be avoided. I don't like snagging fish it's like pulling in a log and you cannot control the fish. If you guys can tell me where I went wrong that would be great. Thanks ???
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I was there as well the canal area I believe,is just to early for chum coho etc any help would be greatly apreciate
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Tumbleweed, a good number of pinks are laying along the slower part of the runs, along the edges. I saw today people foul hooking pink after pink especially while winding in. Many also are fishing way too deep and holding back with their floats on their sides. Your float should be drifting down the run sitting straight up. Rodney has posted the way to short float a few times.
If you look down on a run from a high bank you will see the pinks all in a dark mass, keep your offering away from this mass as much as possible and you will not be connecting with many pinks. By the way most pink salmon are now getting past good table fare.
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the only thing i can think of you may have been doing wrong was targetting the wrong type of water. If your after springs your going to want the heads of runs where they tent to be deeper and faster where the coho will sit in the tailouts or edges of the runs that. the coho will mix right in with the pinks however >:( but they do also try to avoid them (depends on the run your fishing)
If you fish runs like the Train Bridge run for example, i have found this usually. This run consists of great water for all species but they will sit in different parts of. this run has a long deep run with a shallower edge on 1 side. this run may look to be the same speed water everywhere but its really not. Here is how you can break it down.
the shallow edge will be the side your standing on (if you drive in of course) now this shallower water will be filled with pinks doing their spawning business, yes some coho & jack springs will be in there but not many. in the deeper part of the run which is the opposite bank (where the big rocks are) its considerably deeper and infact a little faster water, this is the water where the springs will be for sure and yes coho will hug right against the big rocks to avoid the springs as they travel up river. Now the tailout of this same run will hold coho, jack springs, even some of the smaller adult springs and unfortunately some pinks if they can hold in the current. these are not concrete rules to fishing but this gives you examples of water types to watch for and how to break down each run you are plannning to fish.
another great chunk of water for coho to hide in is behind big rocks in heavy chop water. these fish can be very tricky to fish for because of the very tiny drift you get and the fact the water alot of the time is quite deep. you will find this water in the upper parts of the mid river all the way to the top.
Im sure other people will chime in with their own observations and i may have forgot things LOL as i mainly just go fishing to shake hands with some fish and dont specifically target exact types of water unless it for steelies ;)
have fun out there
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The coho are in the river now...as has been seen by some of the members posting pics. Chum are now moving into the river too. Chris has given some good tips on how to fish while short floating, and how to avoid the many pinks that are in the river now.
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Tumbleweed, a good number of pinks are laying along the slower part of the runs, along the edges. I saw today people foul hooking pink after pink especially while winding in. Many also are fishing way too deep and holding back with their floats on their sides. Your float should be drifting down the run sitting straight up. Rodney has posted the way to short float a few times.
If you look down on a run from a high bank you will see the pinks all in a dark mass, keep your offering away from this mass as much as possible and you will not be connecting with many pinks. By the way most pink salmon are now getting past good table fare.
Thanks for the help Chris. We did not keep any of the fish we released them all. We tried to keep them in the water and release them. The guys beside us were dragging them on the rocks and the kicking them back in the water. I don't get it!
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yeah it was real prince of guy out there booting fish back in the water >:(so when you say coho and chum are in the river,from where to where?/or are they through out the vedder,vedder canal ect,Im wonderig when the stave and aloeutte will ready?
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Marbles it appear that we may have been at the wrong location today.
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We went to the vedder today and tried several different locations. We only managed to catch pinks. I am new to short float fishing and I was trying not to snag fish but did end of snagging some. I played with the depth of my float I tried between 12-24 inches and I was still snagging fish. My setup was a float a three way swivel a piece of lead and a short leader with roe or wool. I was adjusting the distance between my float and lead. Am I doing something wrong or is there just to many pinks in the river right now and this cannot be avoided. I don't like snagging fish it's like pulling in a log and you cannot control the fish. If you guys can tell me where I went wrong that would be great. Thanks ???
Hey Tumbleweed, I was out yesterday for the first time this season for a few hours. I landed a big hatch buck coho and about 1/2 doz pinks in the yap, all floatfishing roe. I did foul hook some but only a few, caught far more in the mouth. I managed to avoid foul hooking fish by watching my float, being patient, and only setting the hook when I was somewhat confident that it was a fish's mouth on the bait. I wrote about this in a post on the "shortfloating" thread but you can get a good idea of what is happening underwater by the behaviour of your float. If you set the hook every time that your float moves you will snag lots of pinks. If you are patient and wait for your float to signal a strike, and not just a bump on your line, you will snag far less. Good luck.
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Hey Tumbleweed, I was out yesterday for the first time this season for a few hours. I landed a big hatch buck coho and about 1/2 doz pinks in the yap, all floatfishing roe. I did foul hook some but only a few, caught far more in the mouth. I managed to avoid foul hooking fish by watching my float, being patient, and only setting the hook when I was somewhat confident that it was a fish's mouth on the bait. I wrote about this in a post on the "shortfloating" thread but you can get a good idea of what is happening underwater by the behaviour of your float. If you set the hook every time that your float moves you will snag lots of pinks. If you are patient and wait for your float to signal a strike, and not just a bump on your line, you will snag far less. Good luck.
Thanks for the tips clarki. I think I was to eager to set my hook. I will watch my float closer next time.
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Marbles it appear that we may have been at the wrong location today.
where should we have been?? :'(
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good points Clarki, another good thing to do is if you feel your roe "bumping" into fish then shorten it a few more inches so you ride ABOVE the pinks and accidental snags should be halted completely and yes the fish that want to bite will move for the roe so when your float dips or stops you know its a fish for sure ;D
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Marbles it appear that we may have been at the wrong location today.
You should find them throughout the system now as they will be on the move towards the hatchery. The next couple of weeks will be the time to get them before the Fall rains comes, the river jumps, gets dirty and they all move through. :'(
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i was out at vedder, may be i was too far up the river, i saw a bajillion pinks and people were snagging them EVERYWHERE. in shallow parts that come "off" the river to the sides, the humpies were running around like rats. haha! i'm gonna try a different spot tomorrow.
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I was wondering how many people here have hiked arund the vedder,and what can of luck you have had over the years??I mean standing shoulder to shoulder at the alison pool just doesnt seem like fun.aslo I have heard of car break in's???
Was at Allison Pool. Talked to some people as they were leaving and they told me they only stayed 5 minutes. Went down and found out why people were leaving so soon and why there were so few people fishing. People down there were throwing rocks into the pools. I stayed about 5 minutes and caught nothing. haha. Went to Thurston Meadows. It was nice and empty for 10 minutes until a dozen people showed up. I left after 10 minutes. It was a non-productive day.
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Was at Allison Pool. Talked to some people as they were leaving and they told me they only stayed 5 minutes. Went down and found out why people were leaving so soon and why there were so few people fishing. People down there were throwing rocks into the pools. I stayed about 5 minutes and caught nothing. haha. Went to Thurston Meadows. It was nice and empty for 10 minutes until a dozen people showed up. I left after 10 minutes. It was a non-productive day.
I don't get it, why were people throwing rocks into the pools?
Were they none fishers, trying to cause trouble?
Were they trying to hit fish on the head?????
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Looked like a group of people having a good time. A few in the group were fishing but I doubt anyone caught anything as I'm sure the fish were spooked. There were no serious people fishing there. Probably all got scared off or they realized that the fish were spooked. I'm heading back to the Fraser. :)
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yes I will admit yesterday was non productice fish producing day but I learned lots,and if you look up theres mountains evrywhere,standing in the middle of river its a pretty cool thing,were lucky to have the rivers we have,now enough of that,next week FISH ON!! i hope ;D