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iRobertO

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Single Barbless Hook?
« on: June 02, 2024, 07:01:40 PM »

I am looking for a definitive actual answer on this question.
I can find very definitive “opinions” on both sides, but surely there is an actual answer with proof, yet I haven’t been able to find it. I’ve even read, “a conservation office told me it is ok” and “a conservation officer told me it isn’t allowed”.

When a lake in BC has an exception of “single barbless hook” does that mean you can only fish one line with one hook with one pointy end? Or does it mean, each hook should only have one pointy end?

I want to troll a Bucktail in a lake with “single barbless hook” but a Bucktail has a trailing hook.
Or I want to troll a plug with two single barbless hooks on the plug.
Yes, I could modify a lure to only have one pointy end, but that’s obviously not the point of this post.

Any insight, with proof, would be great.

Rob

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Re: Single Barbless Hook?
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2024, 10:19:02 PM »

from Pg. 4 of the synopsis

Single Hook: it is prohibited to angle with
a hook with more than one point on waters
that are subject to a single hook regulation.
Single hook regulations may be in place
year round or seasonally. Where single hook
regulations are in place on a water body it
applies to angling for all species. Often single
hook regulations are combined with barbless
hook regulations and termed “single barbless
hook”.
Barbless Hook: it is prohibited to use a hook
with a barb on waters subject to a barbless
hook regulation. Barbless hook regulations
may be in place year-round or seasonally.
Where barbless hook regulations are in place
on a water body, it applies to angling for all
species. Often barbless hook regulations are
combined with single hook regulations and
termed “single barbless hook”.

What you are asking about is, is a  stinger hook (the trailing hook on a bucktail) prohibited under these regulations. I don't know though I have always thought so.

Try emailing your question to fishandwildlife@gov.bc.ca
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Re: Single Barbless Hook?
« Reply #3 on: Today at 12:09:49 AM »

from Pg. 4 of the synopsis

Single Hook: it is prohibited to angle with
a hook with more than one point on waters
that are subject to a single hook regulation.
Single hook regulations may be in place
year round or seasonally. Where single hook
regulations are in place on a water body it
applies to angling for all species. Often single
hook regulations are combined with barbless
hook regulations and termed “single barbless
hook”.
Barbless Hook: it is prohibited to use a hook
with a barb on waters subject to a barbless
hook regulation. Barbless hook regulations
may be in place year-round or seasonally.
Where barbless hook regulations are in place
on a water body, it applies to angling for all
species. Often barbless hook regulations are
combined with single hook regulations and
termed “single barbless hook”.

What you are asking about is, is a  stinger hook (the trailing hook on a bucktail) prohibited under these regulations. I don't know though I have always thought so.

Try emailing your question to fishandwildlife@gov.bc.ca

See this is part of the grammatical confusion, I don’t believe this says you can’t, it alludes to the “treble” argument.
I am in fact going to walk into the conservation office tomorrow.
I’ll let you know what they say!

Rob
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Re: Single Barbless Hook?
« Reply #4 on: Today at 12:11:03 AM »

http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=41076.0

And this is definitely one example of a CO says you can fish in a lake that has a single barbless hook restriction with Bucktails and plugs.

Rob
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Re: Single Barbless Hook?
« Reply #5 on: Today at 09:15:02 AM »

with a bucktail I'd suggest cutting the bend off the first hook (the hook to which the bucktail is tied) and leaving the stinger.

If you tie your own buy some tubes and tie the bucktail on the tube:

A couple of videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-orDxo0AnoQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OADEG4ZzZDw
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Re: Single Barbless Hook?
« Reply #6 on: Today at 09:31:00 AM »

There is absolutely nothing to be confused about.
Single barbless hook means single barbless hook.
If a lure or jig or whatever comes from the tackle shop with a second hook on it, then you either don't use that lure or jig, or you remove one of the hooks.
BC does have a nice rule though for most lakes that if you are alone in a boat, you can fish with 2 lines....but that does not have anything to do with the single barbless hook rule for the lure or jig on each line. Whatever your offering or bait is, it must be a single barbless hook if that is what the restrictions for that body of water are.

As for both Conservation Officers and DFO Officers, I've witnessed the unfortunate reality that 'some' of them are completely useless in both understanding and implementing the rules. And a good CO or DFO isn't going to give you the time of day when you tell them that the last CO or DFO you spoke to said 'such and such' was ok. It is up to YOU to know the regulations of the body of water you are fishing.
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Re: Single Barbless Hook?
« Reply #7 on: Today at 12:38:16 PM »

Only a small number of lakes have a single hook regulation. My suggestion to get an opinion directly from the F&W HQ in Victoria was also to account for differences of opinion between COs etc. Whatever you get make sure it is in writing and keep it on hand in case some other CO thinks a single hook is a single hook.
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Re: Single Barbless Hook?
« Reply #8 on: Today at 01:37:52 PM »

 To the OP best thing is to get a copy of the present freshwater regulations and go through them. As far as "Only a small number of lakes have a single hook regulation." it is worthwhile to note Region 1 ( I haven't gone through all regions but this is an example) has 56 lakes noted as SINGLE HOOK ONLY, some of them are noted for a specific time frame.
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Re: Single Barbless Hook?
« Reply #9 on: Today at 02:55:56 PM »

To the OP best thing is to get a copy of the present freshwater regulations and go through them. As far as "Only a small number of lakes have a single hook regulation." it is worthwhile to note Region 1 ( I haven't gone through all regions but this is an example) has 56 lakes noted as SINGLE HOOK ONLY, some of them are noted for a specific time frame.


Good point though the synopsis is on line and can be downloaded. Region 1 has far more than region 2 (mostly in Powell River area) though I haven't checked other regions.  It's still not a big number. Makes one wonder why the Island get far better conservation oriented regulations to protect summer steelhead populations and native cutthroat. In many cases artificial fly only and single hook only regulations are paired.

In the case of OP, he knows the lake he wants to fish has such a regulation so not such a big deal.
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