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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: JBB on July 13, 2021, 12:40:25 PM
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What are the anticipated dates for the arrival of pinks to Furry Creek , Langley bars, Squamish river ? Any info would be appreciated
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Well, based on pre-season forecasts, I would not be expecting openings at this point. First update on Fraser River pink salmon was released yesterday, and the pre-season forecast at the moment is 3 million fish.
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Looking at the PSC Test Fisheries in Area 12 so far, they have netted more pinks than 2017 and 2019.
https://www.psc.org/publications/fraser-panel-in-season-information/test-fishing-results/
Also 4 Pinks per day In Campbell. These are hatchery pinks mostly?
FN0676-Recreational - Salmon - Pink and Coho - Region 1 - Campbell and Quinsam Rivers - Angling opportunities effective July 15 (Pink) and October 1 (Coho)
Quinsam River:
- Effective 00:01 hours July 15 until 23:59 hours September 15: Four (4) Pink per day
Campbell River (downstream of the confluence with the Quinsam River), and Quinsam River:
- Effective 00:01 hours October 1 until 23:59 hours December 31, four (4) Coho per day, hatchery marked only, and only two (2) of which may be greater than 40 cm.
Reminder: Effective 00:01 hours August 1 until 23:59 hours October 31 - no f
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those won't be Fraser Pinks and are likely bound for some of the mainland inlets. The Fraser runs don't starting showing in numbers until the1st half of august with a peak towards the end of the month. The Squamish fish usually show anytime from now or the end of the month with fish in the river 10 to 14 days later. Returns were terrible in 2019 with most showing later than normal.
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Region 2 now says "There is no fishing for salmon in Region 2 except for the opportunities listed in the table below".
Does this mean we are not allowed to fish Squamish river, even catch and release, unless there is an opening?
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Region 2 now says "There is no fishing for salmon in Region 2 except for the opportunities listed in the table below".
Does this mean we are not allowed to fish Squamish river, even catch and release, unless there is an opening?
That is correct, there are no salmon openings anymore unless retention is available in region 2.
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That is correct, there are no salmon openings anymore unless retention is available in region 2.
Except this just hit my email:
Category(s):
RECREATIONAL - Salmon
Fishery Notice - Fisheries and Oceans Canada
Subject: FN0684-RECREATIONAL -Salmon - Region 2: Pink Salmon (non-retention) opportunities on the Squamish River
Waters: Squamish River downstream of the fishing boundary signs at the powerline crossing approximately 1.5 km upstream of the confluence with the Cheakamus River.
Effective dates: Effective 00:01 hours July 15, 2021 to December 31, 2021, the daily limit for pink salmon is zero (0) per day (catch and release only).
Variations Order: 2021-RFQ-384 and 2021-RCT-385
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I spoke too soon haha... These people can't make up their mind.
https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=247530&ID=all
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Everybody will crowd the Vedder for pinks then ;D
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Everybody will crowd the Vedder for pinks then ;D
Not everybody obvious. only meat eaters.
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they are getting good numbers of Pinks off Sooke right now.
those are likely Fraser and tribs. fish.
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In 2019, they shut down Squamish retention in August after poor returns didn't support a retention fishery. For the Fraser, they kept everybody off the pinks until 8 million plus migrated through the lower Fraser. The wild card is that big land slide which may affect the returning numbers. Hopefully the Fraser far exceeds the 3 million they are predicting.
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The total PSC test catch for pinks is a whopping 42 fish of those 5 were caught at the San Juan location in Juan de fuca Strait. The rest were caught at Round Island east of Port Hardy. That doesn't add up to much of anything.
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Some nice pinks starting to show up in Howe sound. Dont no how the return is yet but a few nice ones being caught.
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In 2019, they shut down Squamish retention in August after poor returns didn't support a retention fishery. For the Fraser, they kept everybody off the pinks until 8 million plus migrated through the lower Fraser. The wild card is that big land slide which may affect the returning numbers. Hopefully the Fraser far exceeds the 3 million they are predicting.
Its way to early to say anything about Fraser Pinks and Squamish pinks don't show up in any meaningful numbers in test fisheries.
we will see, i think people forget that 2017 pink return was one of the worst it recent times below 2 million, then it resulted in a 2019 return of 8+ million. 2021 is projected to be cupcakes but they also did not do some of the normal out migration counts in 2020 because of covid. The forecast is highly uncertain. We wont know anything much about the fraser pink return till mid to late august. Area 12 and 20 pinks right now the DNA is not out but it will probably show that most are not fraser bound. Even by early august area 12 catches will be mixed with fraser, puget sound and south coast stocks.
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If pinks return to the squamish in decent numbers they could revise retention to allow a fish or 2 to be kept. In the past the local advisory council preferred a limited retention of 1 fish so that anglers might be inclined to leave earlier rather than stand in one spot releasing pink salmon all day.
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If pinks return to the squamish in decent numbers they could revise retention to allow a fish or 2 to be kept. In the past the local advisory council preferred a limited retention of 1 fish so that anglers might be inclined to leave earlier rather than stand in one spot releasing pink salmon all day.
In 2019, there was a short week or two allowed 1 fish in Squamish. There were hundreds people at the manquam bar. when the retention down to zero. There were less than a dozen people each time I went there in the following weeks. Nobody stood in one spot as it was unnecessary.
If the concern is anglers do not leave. The hourly rated parking is the way to go.
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any pinks at the cap mouth from shore? i recall about 20 years ago schools of pinks coming in huge numbers...
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West van shore can be okay if Indian arm gets a decent return. I don’t no much about the fishery but I’ve seen pacific angler and sea run tackle reports talk about it in past years.
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I was out off of south end of Bowen Island yesterday and caught 2 pinks and I know of several others caught along the south shore as well. They are definitely on their way. Could start trickling in any day now.
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Great fishing off south bowen yesterday, Great quality Pinks. Definitely better than the last two cycles at this time.
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Is there anywhere lower mainland to get pinks without a boat...
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Is there anywhere lower mainland to get pinks without a boat...
Caught one on my first cast of the season in July 2017 at Ambleside. Was hilarious seeing the looks on all the faces around me as nobody was having any luck that morning apparently.
Furry has had some good years - but 2019 was terrible there. The walk in is a bit more of a PITA now too.
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Is there anywhere lower mainland to get pinks without a boat...
Ambleside, Furry Creek, Mouth of the Seymour, Cates Park and practically anywhere on the Fraser.
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I remember catching some stale pinks in the Capilano River itself. That was the record year I think where lots of them strayed into the Cap. They were probably Seymour or Indian Arm fish.
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Caught one on my first cast of the season in July 2017 at Ambleside. Was hilarious seeing the looks on all the faces around me as nobody was having any luck that morning apparently.
Furry has had some good years - but 2019 was terrible there. The walk in is a bit more of a PITA now too.
has anything changed with the parking? I know there is a group at the townhouse complex wanting to restrict or eliminate parking in their lots despite the fact the developers did promise parking would be available to non-residents for recreational purposes.
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Ambleside, Furry Creek, Mouth of the Seymour, Cates Park and practically anywhere on the Fraser.
there is also some fishing at Britannia Beach.
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has anything changed with the parking? I know there is a group at the townhouse complex wanting to restrict or eliminate parking in their lots despite the fact the developers did promise parking would be available to non-residents for recreational purposes.
Parking has not changed from before. With the lower fish count, you probably have difficult odds catching them off the beach. It seemed like a ghost town every time I visited in 2019.
There should be lots showing up in the Squamish River eventually for C&R.
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Britannia beach is closed until Aug 15
In Area 28, the waters of Howe Sound easterly of a line drawn from a fishing boundary sign 300 m north of the mouth of Britannia Creek to the southern tip of Minaty Bay.
They open it when the pink season is almost over in Howe sound.
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I wish they would post maps on these closures.
it was open for cycle or two lately. Before that people fished there until they got busted.
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Anyone know how the health of the Squamish Pinks are this cycle? The 2017 flood moved gravel and destroyed a lot of eggs and decimated the 2019 return. Anything bad happen (other than the BC Hydro mismap) in 2019?
I remember when runs were so good, the Mamquam was even open and tons of fish were moving through there.
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It’s gotta be better then 2019 tonnes showing of south Bowen and they ain’t Fraser bound. Been good for the last two weeks.
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Somebody please bang the gong already!!
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Somebody please bang the gong already!!
Gong has been banged already. :P People parking along highway 1 at the golf course fence area today, I guess the fact that they even put additional barriers up to stop people from using the area/ parking there doesn't seem to stop people from doing so.
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Gong has been banged already. :P People parking along highway 1 at the golf course fence area today, I guess the fact that they even put additional barriers up to stop people from using the area/ parking there doesn't seem to stop people from doing so.
hey can someone post a pic; i've never seen a fence there...thx
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What ever fence CN puts up, some fisherman is always carrying wire cutters to make a hole in the fence lol. ;D
Even if the fence is concrete, somebody will bring a sledge hammer.
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What ever fence CN puts up, some fisherman is always carrying wire cutters to make a hole in the fence lol. ;D
Even if the fence is concrete, somebody will bring a sledge hammer.
The best way is to put up a row of parking pay station there. Everybody will be happy
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area 12 seine had some good catchers of pink yesterday, I still think DFO is being way cautious with there 3 mill figure. Will see in these next two weeks
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area 12 seine had some good catchers of pink yesterday, I still think DFO is being way cautious with there 3 mill figure. Will see in these next two weeks
Looks like some big schools came through yesterday.
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anyone doing well at the mouth of cap from the shore? been forever since I've been there...still a low tide fishery?
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Still no good Pink arrivals at furry creek and very little in Squamish. Hearing lots of hopeful “they’re just late”s though.
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Looks like some big schools came through yesterday.
Yep good catches in both area 20 and 12. Again yesterday
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Anyone know how the health of the Squamish Pinks are this cycle? The 2017 flood moved gravel and destroyed a lot of eggs and decimated the 2019 return. Anything bad happen (other than the BC Hydro mismap) in 2019?
I remember when runs were so good, the Mamquam was even open and tons of fish were moving through there.
[/quote The 2019 brood had 9 gravel moving events so that won't bode well for the mainstem spawning populations. There is however some semi protected habitat where they would have faired better. Hoping for better marine survival to off set the flood damage.
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the Pinks are thick off Sooke right now with most boats limited out in short order. this is likely the start of the Fraser run.
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The 2019 brood had 9 gravel moving events so that won't bode well for the mainstem spawning populations. There is however some semi protected habitat where they would have faired better. Hoping for better marine survival to off set the flood damage.
Thanks for the info. Fingers crossed it's better, or we'll wait a few more cycles for it to recover hopefully.
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Here's Area 12 Seine Testing comparing 2019 to 2021. It sure seems they have recovered somewhat. They may not be all Fraser fish, but the Fraser pink may following this same trend.
25-Jul-19 81
26-Jul-19 298
27-Jul-19 369
28-Jul-19 1,590
29-Jul-19 2,455
30-Jul-19 1,240
7/26/2021 1115
7/27/2021 6182
7/28/2021 7040
7/29/2021 5990
7/30/2021 10506
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The latest update said only 3% of the area 12 catch was Fraser but Thoes are good numbers non the less it means some areas are getting some bigger returns.
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Here's Area 12 Seine Testing comparing 2019 to 2021. It sure seems they have recovered somewhat. They may not be all Fraser fish, but the Fraser pink may following this same trend.
25-Jul-19 81
26-Jul-19 298
27-Jul-19 369
28-Jul-19 1,590
29-Jul-19 2,455
30-Jul-19 1,240
7/26/2021 1115
7/27/2021 6182
7/28/2021 7040
7/29/2021 5990
7/30/2021 10506
Well, another week for the fish to arrive here
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Well, another week for the fish to arrive here
still looking like it it could be a gooder, there has been a big biomass of pinks sitting of south bowen for 3 weeks now.
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Pink salmon catches in marine area purse seine
test fisheries appear to be above the recent year cycle average. While most pink catches have been non-Fraser
pinks, the proportions of Fraser pink salmon have been increasing in both Area 20 and Area 12 based on recent
DNA samples. A recent DNA sample from the Area 20 test fishery indicates that 35% of the pink salmon
encountered are of Fraser River origin, 31% are from Puget Sound, and 35% are from South Coast stocks.
Fraser River Pink Salmon
It is still very early in terms of pink salmon assessments. While Fraser River pink salmon have been caught by the
marine purse seine test fisheries in low proportions, only one pink salmon has been caught in the in-river test
fisheries. To date, no pinks have been observed migrating past Mission, Qualark or Hells Gate.
https://www.psc.org/download/639/2021/14039/august-6-2021-2.pdf
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Fishing still very slow off the Howe Sound beaches. Was here earlier in the week and saw the *odd* fish landed. Not a lot of traffic today and no one catching anything. Buddy of mine caught a red snapper and I got a baby hali(?) lol .. but no schools passing through. Better luck next week maybe.
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Thanks for the heads up Zabber , I was going to head out there tomorrow.as well there is a wind warning , inflow &outflow winds to 33 so I’ll hold off on my small craft warning info . Might settle down in the afternoon . Maybe snoop around somewhere else .
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Fishing still very slow off the Howe Sound beaches. Was here earlier in the week and saw the *odd* fish landed. Not a lot of traffic today and no one catching anything. Buddy of mine caught a red snapper and I got a baby hali(?) lol .. but no schools passing through. Better luck next week maybe.
Was there yesterday. Some schools arrived before we got there and some people caught. It was just a trickle of fish after we arrived. Nice day to enjoy the scenery. Seems like there’s huge gaps between different schools. People parked in front of the hole in the fence again.
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Are there any counts that would provide an indication of pinks for the east coast of Vancouver Island?
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Are there any counts that would provide an indication of pinks for the east coast of Vancouver Island?
later in the season they put out
"Johnstone Straits & Strait of Georgia North Salmon Stock Assessment In-Season Escapement Bulletins"
need to contact Erika.Watkins@dfo-mpo.gc.ca or Brad.Beaith@dfo-mpo.gc.ca
good luck
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try contacting the Oyster River Salmon Enhancement Society: ores123@gmail.com. There will be pinks in the river soon if not already. You can also call the resort office and see if they have any information or contact River Sportsman in Campbell River: https://riversportsman.com/
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later in the season they put out
"Johnstone Straits & Strait of Georgia North Salmon Stock Assessment In-Season Escapement Bulletins"
need to contact Erika.Watkins@dfo-mpo.gc.ca or Brad.Beaith@dfo-mpo.gc.ca
good luck
That's great! Thanks!
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try contacting the Oyster River Salmon Enhancement Society: ores123@gmail.com. There will be pinks in the river soon if not already. You can also call the resort office and see if they have any information or contact River Sportsman in Campbell River: https://riversportsman.com/
Thanks RalphH! Much appreciated!
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What do you all use the pinks for? crab bait? or?
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What do you all use the pinks for? crab bait? or?
Maple-Soy Bbq Pink Salmon
Fillet your pink and cut into about two to three pieces. Mix together maple syrup and soy sauce. Depending on the size of your pink, I say about 1/2 cup of maple syrup and 1/4 cup soy sauce. Marinate for 4 hours. BBQ with the skin down and only BBQ about 3/4 done as it will still cook after you remove it, to keep the fish moist and not dry. This is great all year round and great if you have lots of pinks.
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Maple-Soy Bbq Pink Salmon
Fillet your pink and cut into about two to three pieces. Mix together maple syrup and soy sauce. Depending on the size of your pink, I say about 1/2 cup of maple syrup and 1/4 cup soy sauce. Marinate for 4 hours. BBQ with the skin down and only BBQ about 3/4 done as it will still cook after you remove it, to keep the fish moist and not dry. This is great all year round and great if you have lots of pinks.
mmm. I may be revisiting the lowly pinko. Thank you.
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mmm. I may be revisiting the lowly pinko. Thank you.
They taste more like a rainbow trout than a salmon, imo. I actually like them, but everything tastes better when you catch it yourself!
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pinks have a milder flavour than either sockeye or chinook hence the tendency to enhance the flavour with various ingredients. When ocean bright or still in good condition from streams they are IMO very tasty. Usually we just BBQ them. We also like them in Jamie Oliver's "Fish Tray Bake" (see the link) recipe. Many cooks don't like the texture of the skin so I often fillet them and then remove the skin.
Fish Tray Bake:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesgalpin/5440947289
http://goodfoodandredshoes.blogspot.com/2015/07/jamie-olivers-fish-tray-bake.html
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I fished around Bowen the other day for a few hours and didn’t get a single bite and most of the other boats around weren’t catching any either. I’m going to try again tomorrow but it seems to me like the fish are either getting a bit more tight lipped or their starting to move up Howe sound and Indian arm. Wondering if west van and furry creek might pick up now because of this but that’s just my guess. Let me know what you think it about my speculations I’m not an expert so correct me if I’m wrong.
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Talked to a fishermen off Ambleside yesterday. Said he caught 2 pinks from shore so far this year.
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better than none
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Talked to a fishermen off Ambleside yesterday. Said he caught 2 pinks from shore so far this year.
I have a coworker who swims the west van shore line. He said typically when you are horizontal in the water you can feel the temperature difference with your lower body. He said you have to swim down deep this year to get into colder water.
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Lots showin themselves on the outside of Bowen this evening.
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Heading just past sechelt in the morning to wack a spring. Stopping by Bowen after for pinks and hoes I’ll let you know how we do
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Again , I looked at the marine weather and a wind warning comes up geeeeezzz . Should just go or wait till Sunday winds die down .
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There isn’t a small craft warning go
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Yesterday's PSC report is actually soundly somewhat optimistic:
Pink salmon catches in marine area purse seine test fisheries appear to be above the recent year cycle average in
Area 12. While most pink catches have been non-Fraser pinks, the proportions of Fraser pink salmon have been
increasing in both Area 20 and Area 12 based on recent DNA samples. A recent DNA sample from the Area 20 test
fishery indicates that 28% of the pink salmon encountered are of Fraser River origin, 35% are from Puget Sound, and
36% are from South Coast stocks.
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Yesterday's PSC report is actually soundly somewhat optimistic:
8 million pink in 2019 and most of them made it to spawn. Then they give a 3 million forecast for this year.
I won’t be surprised in the slightest if more then double the forecast return this year. Who knows of enough will return to get an opening in the Fraser for rec.
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If you look at the forecasts over the years they are wildly inaccurate. In 2019 the preseason forecast was 4.7 million. Even on Aug 30th the estimate based on test fisheries was 5. That's a 60% error. In 2017 the forecast was 8.7 million and the return was 3.7or a negative error of over 235%. In 2013 the actual return was 5x the preseason forecast! Basing forecasts on sampling of outgoing fry is not accurate and the commentaries on line from PSC and DFO agree!
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So what your saying is the forest is for 3 million plus or minus 300% 1 million to 9 million.
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The San Juan test fishing indicates modest results compared to other years back to 2011 for the gillnet fishing but very high catches compared to other years for the seine fishing. What should we conclude from that? With few apparently coming down Johnston Strait, the catch will be somewhat higher around the south end. Potentially a good run?
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My prediction will be more pinks in the river this cycle than last. There will be no rec openings in Non-tidal and they will use the same old excuse "Protect sockeye and steelhead" blah blah blah.
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The Fraser Pink in-season estimates should come next week based on the 2019 Notices. I would not be surprised if they purposely under-estimate it again like they did in 2019. We reported 8.7 million in 2019 and we are seeing more fish than in 2019. So lets do some fuzzy math and make it 8.7+ equals 5 million. More is less. ::)
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Went by Gibson and let me tell you it was nutz. Fish jumping everywhere we limited out on pinks in a few hours for 3 of us. Couldn’t get a spring but that’s fine A small pod of killer whales blesses us with a bit of a show. So that was a bonus. Def no shortage of pinks this year. They were swimming in to the boat hahaha. To funny. And not a lot of boats were there Happy fishing
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No pictures?
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No pictures !!!! I have some!! Hahahahah 8)
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Went by Gibson and let me tell you it was nutz. Fish jumping everywhere we limited out on pinks in a few hours for 3 of us. Couldn’t get a spring but that’s fine A small pod of killer whales blesses us with a bit of a show. So that was a bonus. Def no shortage of pinks this year. They were swimming in to the boat hahaha. To funny. And not a lot of boats were there Happy fishing
Nice!
Fishing has picked up a bit off the beaches but seems like the schools are smaller this season or it's still early.
Last season I was hooking into several fish per hour. This weekend it's several hours per fish! Saw a decent number of fish to the beach though, by other anglers, so maybe I just forgot how to fish ;D ;D
Ah well, at least the scenery is nice. Get out there!
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Does capilano get any pinks? anyone catch them from beach shore?
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Yes, several caught this week.
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Yes, several caught this week.
Nice, will give it a try this weekend - guessing it would be really crowded
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Stopped by the Squamish last night. Lots of anglers, few fish caught or seen rolling on the high tide. Most were foul hooked.
Water clarity has been brutal all month. About 6 inch visibility max, caused by the heatwaves. Mamquam river has dropped substantially and there are far fewer fish spawning that the past couple cycles. Hopefully the other systems have better returns as Squamish is heading into the tail end of the pink run.
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I remember tons of fish were still moving through in early September at the Squamish. Good ole days :(
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Today PSC upped the forecast return for Fraser pinks to 4 million from the preseason 3 million. overall returns have been looking good this week.The next 10 days will tell if there is an opening on the Fraser as I don't think 4 million is enough for that. I believe it needs to somewhere close to 7 million.
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Of course there will be an opening. In typical DFO fashion, they will open it for retention when the bulk of the run has moved through. Look for late September. ;)
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"4,000,000 Pinks and no associated timing. This updated run size should be viewed as a minimum run size estimate." They didn't release their updated P50 forecast just that the 4 million is the Minimum.
In August 20, 2019 they had this "During the Panel call today the run size for pink salmon remained unchanged at the p50 forecast level of 5,018,600 and an Area 20 timing of August 28."
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P50 forecast was 3 million. The run size was upgraded to 4 million today. Expected Area 20 timing is August 25th.
Three additional timing forecasts for Fraser River pink salmon based on sea surface temperature and ocean current information indicate later timing (August 26, August 31 and September 1) than currently assumed (August 25). Based on these timing forecasts, it is still early in terms of pink salmon assessments and too early to generate a total run size estimate. However, it has been possible to generate a minimum run size assuming the earliest timing on record and an expansion associated with a small run size. This conservatively generates a minimum run size of 4.0 million for management purposes which is very close to the p75 forecast level of 4.051 million. Updated diversion rate forecasts indicate the same rate as assumed pre-season (50%), or higher (55%, 75%). Catches of pink salmon have increased in the river over the last week and have also been observed at Hells Gate. To date, 73,200 pink salmon have been observed migrating past Mission. At the Panel meeting today, a minimum pink salmon run size of 4.0 million was adopted by the Panel.
https://www.psc.org/download/639/2021/14047/august-20-2021-2.pdf
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If I recall correctly, previous runs required something like 6M escapement prior to allowing any harvest?
If this cycle's return is marginal, it makes sense to let the majority of the target through prior to opening.
Hopefully they would be looking at specific terminal fisheries and maybe open ones which are likely to have returns that can sustain some activity.
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"Three additional timing forecasts for Fraser River pink salmon based on sea surface temperature and ocean
current information indicate later timing (August 26, August 31 and September 1) than currently assumed (August
25). Based on these timing forecasts, it is still early in terms of pink salmon assessments and too early to generate
a total run size estimate."
So there is no total run size estimate right now. Just the 4 million minimum size.
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my guess is the lower fraser will get a pink opening this year sometime between sept 1-20. That's my prediction, need to have some pink fsc openings before that but i think looking at the data there is a fairly good chance will get an opening.
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daily passage past the sonic weir at Mission has increased substantially the last 2 days and total passage is about 200k. Catches at the Cottonwood & Whonnock gill net test fisheries are still low relative to other year but then the fish are late. They may linger off the river mouth longer than usual. PSC typically closes it's panel review & reports in early to mid-Sept and hands control back to DFO. I there is an opening my guess it will be later as DFO waits to be sure escapement past mission exceeds 3 million and any in river FN fisheries are approved.
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Area 20 test fishing just received the highest number of pinks caught this year at 14461 just yesterday. It's looking good for the Fraser so far. Fingers crossed for some sort of opening.
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Area 20 test fishing just received the highest number of pinks caught this year at 14461 just yesterday. It's looking good for the Fraser so far. Fingers crossed for some sort of opening.
id say if we do get an opening like Ralph said 90% chance its open between sept 10-20 and like a 10% chance that it opens before that.
remember that the steelhead closure window starts September 21th.
if the fraser does open were looking at like a 7 day opening or max 20 day opening. They also will not open it till fraser first nations get their fill so look for FSC pink directed fishery announcements. Tho IMO they should be giving them some directed fishing for pinks and sockeye right now, rather then just chinook.
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I was sturgeon fishing today above Mission....crazy amount of pinks rolling. Very nice to see.
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remember that the steelhead closure window starts September 21th.
FYI, First steelhead was caught in the nets yesterday.......
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FYI, First steelhead was caught in the nets yesterday.......
could be a Coquihalla fish. People who know that river well say there is a small late summer.
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could be a Coquihalla fish. People who know that river well say there is a small late summer.
Could be, and I will not mention the other systems it could be from. All I know for sure is the first steelhead has shown up in the test fishery nets.
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could be a Coquihalla fish. People who know that river well say there is a small late summer.
Used to enjoy going to the Othello tunnels at Hope this time of year. If you stood on the bridge long enough, and watched the water carefully enough, you'd see summer runs leaping over the obstacles.
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over 130k pinks past the mission counting station yesterday and in river test catches ramping up.
That's a significant amount in one day this early into the migration.
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Tons of boats fishing off north arm over to Bowen. Are pinks actually open for retention out there ?
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Tons of boats fishing off north arm over to Bowen. Are pinks actually open for retention out there ?
yes
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Could be, and I will not mention the other systems it could be from. All I know for sure is the first steelhead has shown up in the test fishery nets.
FWIW there is only one other stream with native summer runs other than the IFS stock. It's not unusual to see steelhead in the test fisheries or the FN communal reports in June and July. AFAIK The IFS window officially begins Sept 15th. Hopefully the Whonnock and Cottomwood fisheries will end before that though I doubt the Albion fishery will stop.
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It looks like it to me based on the Test Fishing this year compared to 2019, that we should have more than 9 Million Fraser Pinks. I don't know if they'll admit that it'll be 9+ Million fish until 9 Million of them swim past Mission.
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It looks like it to me based on the Test Fishing this year compared to 2019, that we should have more than 9 Million Fraser Pinks. I don't know if they'll admit that it'll be 9+ Million fish until 9 Million of them swim past Mission.
Which test fishing are your referring？
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It looks like it to me based on the Test Fishing this year compared to 2019, that we should have more than 9 Million Fraser Pinks. I don't know if they'll admit that it'll be 9+ Million fish until 9 Million of them swim past Mission.
150k pinks past mission yesterday, i dont think its gonna be 9 million but i think its gonna land somewhere between 5-8 million.
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Which test fishing are your referring？
https://psc1.shinyapps.io/PSC_In_Season_Fraser/
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This Graph is looking pretty good so far compared to previous cycles. 2013 was a record year in pinks.
(https://i.imgur.com/gckdYqo.png)
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Fished Furry Creek this morning for my first time. Not a fish to be seen or had by anyone there between first light and 9:30am
Was out walking the dogs near Derby Reach a couple nights ago and a LOT of fish rising there in the ten minutes I was watching.
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if you look at the cumulative totals 2015 through to this year are all basically the same. 2021 so far is on par with 2015 and slightly better than the other years but it's not a big difference. It's the fish that enter from the first 10 to 12 days of Sept that makes the difference in the curves
(https://i.imgur.com/Tl7sP2p.png)
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I really am bummed out that the border is still closed for you guys in BC- we appear to be having an epic return of pinks to the Skagit river this year. I really hope you guys get an opening (and a bountiful return) somewhere in the LML.
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FWIW there is only one other stream with native summer runs other than the IFS stock. It's not unusual to see steelhead in the test fisheries or the FN communal reports in June and July. AFAIK The IFS window officially begins Sept 15th. Hopefully the Whonnock and Cottomwood fisheries will end before that though I doubt the Albion fishery will stop.
if one digs way back into the commercial catch record, the largest catch of steelhead reported by the commercial fleet in the Fraser was in the month of August. Records from before the 1960's show this.
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I really am bummed out that the border is still closed for you guys in BC- we appear to be having an epic return of pinks to the Skagit river this year. I really hope you guys get an opening (and a bountiful return) somewhere in the LML.
There lots of pinks around, to much politics here now with fish
Just like how your ocean pink fishery is closed but ours is open for rec fishing
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https://www.psc.org/publications/fraser-panel-in-season-information/fraser-river-panel-regulatory-announcements/
The Panel adopted run sizes of 1,350,000 for Summer-run sockeye, with an associated Area 20 timing of August 12, and 4,800,000 for pink
salmon, with an associated Area 20 timing of August 17, at today’s meeting.
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if one digs way back into the commercial catch record, the largest catch of steelhead reported by the commercial fleet in the Fraser was in the month of August. Records from before the 1960's show this.
how about this which corresponds closely to the IFS window which is Sept 15 into November.
https://a100.gov.bc.ca/pub/acat/documents/r18317/Smith1955_1276104681962_4ed861c81acd4dfbe8d26b70385dd29227921f0e891532dad067913e2c89096e.pdf
I have circulated this before.
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Americans hitting the Fraser pinks good
UNITED STATES FRASER RIVER PANEL AREA WATERS:
TREATY INDIAN FISHERY:
Areas 4b, 5, and 6C: Extend for drift gillnet fishing from 12 p.m. (noon), Saturday, August 28, 2021, through 12 p.m. (noon), Wednesday, September 1, 2021. Sockeye non-retention, all efforts must be made to release sockeye alive.
Areas 6, 7, and 7A in the area southerly and easterly of a straight line drawn from Iwersen’s dock on Point Roberts in the State of Washington to the Georgina Point Light at the entrance to Active Pass in the Province of British Columbia: Open for net fishing from 5 a.m., Sunday, August 29, 2021, through 9 a.m., Monday, August 30, 2021. Sockeye non-retention, all efforts must be made to release sockeye alive.
ALL CITIZEN FISHERY:
Areas 7 and 7A, excluding apex: Open to purse seine fishing, with non-retention of sockeye, from 5 a.m.
to 9 p.m., Friday, August 27, 2021.
Areas 7 and 7A, excluding apex: Open to drift gillnet fishing, with non-retention of sockeye, from 8 a.m. to 11:59 p.m., Friday, August 27, 2021.
Areas 7 and 7A in the area southerly and easterly of a straight line drawn from Iwersen’s dock on Point Roberts in the State of Washington to the Georgina Point Light at the entrance to Active Pass in the Province of British Columbia: Open to purse seine fishing, with non-retention of sockeye, from 5 a.m. to 9 p.m. Tuesday, August 31, 2021.
Areas 7 and 7A in the area southerly and easterly of a straight line drawn from Iwersen’s dock on Point Roberts in the State of Washington to the Georgina Point Light at the entrance to Active Pass in the Province of British Columbia: Open to drift gillnet fishing, with non-retention of sockeye, from 8 a.m. to 11:59 p.m., Tuesday, August 31, 2021.
Area 7: Open to reef net fishing, with non-retention of sockeye, from 5 a.m. to 9 p.m. Tuesday, August 31, 2021.
The next in-sea
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if you look at the cumulative totals 2015 through to this year are all basically the same. 2021 so far is on par with 2015 and slightly better than the other years but it's not a big difference. It's the fish that enter from the first 10 to 12 days of Sept that makes the difference in the curves
(https://i.imgur.com/Tl7sP2p.png)
Just eyeballing the cumulative totals in area 12 and area 20 Seine fisheries for pinks, there have been more caught this year compared to 2019 and 2015. I guess they want to low-ball it at 4.8 Million now in case it collapses like it did in 2017. Once way more fish make it past the Mission fish counter, they'll slowly bump it up. By then it wouldn't be very productive anymore to catch them on the Fraser.
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keep in mind they have a better idea, via genetic sampling, where those fish are actually going.
With that said you may be right. Hopefully there is an opening.
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Fraser Pink
An increase in PSs test fishery catch on Aug. 23 and 24 in A20 could result in a second mode of the Pink return as seen in other years.
Due to the current bi-modal characteristic the run is currently following, the PSC is finding it difficult to determine run timing. The PSC is continuing to determine the best expansion lines to allow for an accurate estimate of run size.
At this time there is high uncertainty of abundance seaward of Mission.
A run size of 5,500,000 was recommended by the PSC with a run timing of August 17 with
the expectation that the run size and timing will change as more information is received. The run timing of August 17 is one of the earliest run timings on record. Canada did not accept the run size of 5.5 million due to concerns around uncertainty of run size estimates and therefore and a run size of 4.8 million was adopted.
Fishery Evaluation
Pink catch is projected to be close to the total TAC for the US. Possibility of Pink
catch to exceed USTAC depending on daily abundance.
Expected low effort in both the Gillnet and Purse Seine fisheries therefore low Sockeye
bycatch.
Sockeye bycatch mortality of 1,094 was calculated for all fisheries in the coming few
days.
Canada continued to highlighted concerns with the Gn Pink fishery and the sockeye
catch. It is expected that the effort will be low in this fishery and therefore impacts
should be low. Canada would like to pick up this discussion in the post season.
High concerns from Canada with the retention of any Sockeye dead or alive.
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Fraser Pink
A run size of 5,500,000 was recommended by the PSC with a run timing of August 17 with
In 2015, they opened up the Tidal Fraser on September 4th, with 6 Million run size estimate. So we're getting closer to the target but not quite yet. Fingers crossed next week for some big schools to come in.
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In 2015, they opened up the Tidal Fraser on September 4th, with 6 Million run size estimate. So we're getting closer to the target but not quite yet. Fingers crossed next week for some big schools to come in.
Is someone getting exited? Having trouble sleeping? ;D
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An opening downstream of mission is being discussed
Surely it can’t have as all that sockeye by catch in the nets that rod posted about wowa
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Is someone getting exited? Having trouble sleeping? ;D
Hell yeah! I keep pushing my time off from work until after the possible opening ;)
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updated;
The Panel adopted a Late-run run size of 234,000, with an associated Area 20 timing of August 16, and a pink salmon run size of 5,700,000,
with an associated Area 20 timing of August 18 at today’s meeting.
https://www.psc.org/publications/fraser-panel-in-season-information/fraser-river-panel-regulatory-announcements/
I bet that will be the last update at least from the PSC.
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updated;
https://www.psc.org/publications/fraser-panel-in-season-information/fraser-river-panel-regulatory-announcements/
I bet that will be the last update at least from the PSC.
FN0866
https://notices.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fns-sap/index-eng.cfm?pg=view_notice&DOC_ID=249660&ID=all
The next in-season meeting of the Fraser River Panel is scheduled to occur on Friday, September 3, 2021.
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Tidal Fraser opens tomorrow for pink salmon retention. I'm closing this thread and continuing the discussion in this one.
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=44189.0