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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: jeepseteve on August 02, 2011, 10:22:19 AM
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does anyone know if the scales are fishable yet? I want to head out and try my luck next weekend.
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Wow, read 223 times and no response!!
I find personally Lower MainLand Fisherman especially Fraser valley
Don't like to share any knowledge of Fraser River when it comes to bottom bouncing for fish, or spots on Fraser.
They just complain about people fishing this way and act all tuff on these Internet forms like they are god or something.
Meanwhile they are doing it them selves out on the Fraser!
The last time I heard which was last week, scales was not accessible and river was very fast! However it is coming down quick and tonight driving over mission bridge it looked like it may have dropped atleast a couple feet.. Hope this helps you......
After 223 reads!
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Maybe 223 people, including myself (where is it anyway?), haven't been to Scale Bar this year and just couldn't answer the question? ::)
Lighten up.
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I am lightened up I just find that this is a fishing forum designed to help out fellow anglers.
I'm sure out of 223 people, maybe just 1 Could either shed some light or help out a fellow angler...
Agreed that not everyone has been to scales bar but for sure the Fraser river... A quick " water is too high " sure wouldn't hurt
Don't you think?
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Or maybe, 200 views out of the 223 are done by guests who do not have registered accounts to post, and the other 23 views are registered members who haven't been there?
Or maybe, the 1 person who has been there viewed the post on his/her mobile device but haven't had a chance to post it?
Or maybe most members on this forum just are not that interested in flossing at crowded spots?
Or maybe...
Lots of maybes, the bottom line is you're just guessing (so am I, but I wasn't making a fuss about it) why no one has replied.
A quick "The last time I heard which was last week, scales was not accessible and river was very fast! However it is coming down quick and tonight driving over mission bridge it looked like it may have dropped atleast a couple feet." instead of that long winded complaint surely wouldn't hurt. Don't you think?
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I am lightened up I just find that this is a fishing forum designed to help out fellow anglers.
I'm sure out of 223 people, maybe just 1 Could either shed some light or help out a fellow angler...
Agreed that not everyone has been to scales bar but for sure the Fraser river... A quick " water is too high " sure wouldn't hurt
Don't you think?
a little less bantering of us lower mainland fishermen wouldn't hurt either...wouldn't you think?
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I heard it is fishable now and the flossers are catching fish there. Have not been there myself.Go and see for yourself!Not like its a secret spot or anything and expect large crowds.Not my idea of a fun time.
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wow, thanks for the replys guys, I wasnt trying to start a confrontation. i'll probably head out there on sunday and have a look, if its a no go there is always the vedder...
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Wow, read 223 times and no response!!
I find personally Lower MainLand Fisherman especially Fraser valley
Don't like to share any knowledge of Fraser River when it comes to bottom bouncing for fish, or spots on Fraser.
They just complain about people fishing this way and act all tuff on these Internet forms like they are god or something.
Meanwhile they are doing it them selves out on the Fraser!
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You were able to come up with this just because there were no responses? Wow are you Psychic or something? There has been no mention of any Sockeye opening as yet and until that happens, there won't be many here from this forum out Bottom bouncing. Not a commentary as to the ethics of this fishing method but rather the fact that there are other fishing opportunities available out there at this time. Chances are slim that the few that are fishing Scales right now are also regular posters on this site.
As for the river levels, the BC River Level site is a good resource and the link is provided in this website I believe.
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I am lightened up I just find that this is a fishing forum designed to help out fellow anglers.
I'm sure out of 223 people, maybe just 1 Could either shed some light or help out a fellow angler...
Agreed that not everyone has been to scales bar but for sure the Fraser river... A quick " water is too high " sure wouldn't hurt
Don't you think?
I wouldn't beak the guy who owns, operates and moderates this site. Kind of a "pick your battles" thing.
J
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Clicked on this thread to see if there's something interesting to read. Never been to Scales Bar.
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drove past it yesterday,lots of people fishing.bar looked to be partially exposed from highway....
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Clicked on this thread to see if there's something interesting to read. Never been to Scales Bar.
drove past it yesterday,lots of people fishing.bar looked to be partially exposed from highway....
Cut out the reports guys! If you're from the Fraser Valley, you don't like to share spots on the Fraser!!
...Lower MainLand Fisherman especially Fraser valley
Don't like to share any knowledge of Fraser River...
Just came back to say that a customer of mine went to Scales yesterday, good amount of people fishing but no fish caught he said.
J
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I see that the generally unpleasant LML salmon season mentality and attitude is alive and well. ::)
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combat fishing has started...........didnt know the scale bar was a secret hole!!!!! ;D
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Cut out the reports guys! If you're from the Fraser Valley, you don't like to share spots on the Fraser!!
Just came back to say that a customer of mine went to Scales yesterday, good amount of people fishing but no fish caught he said.
J
Most likely would be slow as a lot of First Nation fisheries going on over the August long weekend. Dry rack fishing going on now.
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Its doable saw some springs pulled. Including one of my own ::). Dont judge me, Ive been skunked enough
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Well, well... All it took was a little rant and bamo!! Some helpful reports to help out a brother
That's more like it. To the few that bash me for telling it how it is, Whatever! Could care less about what you say about me.
We were all novice at one point and would appreciate some help. Gas prices and inflation have gone through the roof!
I'm sure the 223 Lurkers on here now appreciate the feedback.
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Well, well... All it took was a little rant and bamo!!
That must be it. Thanks for stimulating this community, because we certainly wouldn't know what to do without your contribution.
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Well, well... All it took was a little rant and bamo!! Some helpful reports to help out a brother
That's more like it. To the few that bash me for telling it how it is, Whatever! Could care less about what you say about me.
We were all novice at one point and would appreciate some help. Gas prices and inflation have gone through the roof!
I'm sure the 223 Lurkers on here now appreciate the feedback.
Wow, pat yourself on the back. Better still, use a hammer on....... ::)
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That must be it. Thanks for stimulating this community, because we certainly wouldn't know what to do without your contribution.
Wow Rod your extra cheerful today
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Wow Rod your extra cheerful today
When lovely posters such as yourself emit that much positive energy on a discussion forum, it's hard for any moderator not to be cheerful.
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Kumbayahhhhhhhh!
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Wow Rod your extra cheerful today
You know you're being ridiculous when the most reasonable guy on these boards can't respond without being sarcastic ::)
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You know you're being ridiculous when the most reasonable guy on these boards can't respond without being sarcastic ::)
I know he's being sarcastic and so am I. I don't believe I'm being ridiculous..... A d*%k head maybe for lack of better words
I just feel that majority of anglers out there don't do enough to help out newbies, but quick enough to bash and beak them for their lack of experience. After 600+ reads of this topic the poster finally gets some help and reports on his question. Scale bar is not a secret spot but yet
No one can speak up? Yes Rodney made all great and valid points on the "Maybe theory" but I'm not as nieve to think that out of 223 reads NO ONE has been to the Fraser river yet. Heck more than half of the responses to this thread has been directed more towards me than Scales Bar, but you know how the old saying goes " the squeaky wheel always gets the oil"
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Ok run with this...
Is the scale bar a good place to go spey fishing....
Josh
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Never fished it and haven't a clue as to whether it is fish-able, and I personally viewed this post 220 times. Sorry. I guess I should have said something sooner.
And not likely Josh as it is probably too crowded to toss anything but hardware.
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I just feel that majority of anglers out there don't do enough to help out newbies, but quick enough to bash and beak them for their lack of experience. After 600+ reads of this topic the poster finally gets some help and reports on his question. Scale bar is not a secret spot but yet
No one can speak up?
I have to agree with you on this. I am not afraid to share hot spots or information being passed on by other anglers (i am by no means an accomplished fisherman). I was a newbie about 4 years ago with no help until i finally ran into a guide. He has helped me out a lot with fishing tips and advice. He wasnt afraid of losing a customer he just saw the passion i have for fishing, and wanted to help me out and still helps me out to this day. I feel if more fishermen were like this, a lot more people would fish properly and they would introduce more of their buddies and so on and so on. the more people you educate about fishing whether it be techniques or spots or issues in the industry could lead to dramatic changes and forward progress on addressing our declining fish stalks. just one mans opinion
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hey jeepseteve. i have been to scales bar a a few times when when i first moved to van about 5 yrs ago and was very new to fishing. I had very little success for spring salmon. although there are fish there the atmosphere is very unpleasant, and it made for nothing but mostly bad memories of bad tempered crowd and tangled lines. I have not been there for some years as there are many opportunities to get into a spring without having to visit scales bar.try bar fishing as it can be peaceful and you can have a brew while you do it and you will be surprised how the bar guys out fish the bbrs.
My very first time fishing for salmon at scales bar was an interesting one. i did not know what i was doing and I asked for some help and it was difficult to come by. I finally got my rig set up with a red piece of wool and was under the impression that the fish actually bite this wool. A gentleman next to me was into a a large spring shortly after I started and I curiously asked what he was using for a presentation. he said to me "nothing, its better this way. they don't see in coming"
Just so you know a little about what to expect.
Good luck
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Ok run with this...
Is the scale bar a good place to go spey fishing....
Josh
Hey Josh I would imagine that you could Spey fish however it would not be recommended, seeing how water is a bit fast and over crowded to say the least. It just doesnt mix well with the bottom bouncers there. Make no mistake... Scales bar is 101% bottom bouncing bar.
Your best bet is to find another spot on the Fraser to Spey fish.... I personally don't know of any because I myself only bottom bounce the Fraser river, but hopefully in the future I would love to try my luck at Bar Fishing it. I would imagine it would be just as enjoyable and produce just as well.... Cheers and hope this helps
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OK heres a pretty rookie question but i gotta ask it because no one has even tried to tell anyone on here, where is scales bar? a lot of other talk but i still have no clue. Thanks in advance.
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If he's Spey fishing he should fit right in, probably do well on the swing.
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OK heres a pretty rookie question but i gotta ask it because no one has even tried to tell anyone on here, where is scales bar? a lot of other talk but i still have no clue. Thanks in advance.
PM me and I'll tell ya
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Scale bar is on the number 7 hwy right before you hit hope. People park at the weigh scales and walk down to the river across the tracks. Most people don't like to answer alot of questions about these types of locations because they are mainly a bottom bouncing fishery and not one that is generally encouraged because the fish do not actually bite the presentation. For a new fisherman this is a terrible place to learn, it's very crowded and a lot of the people there have very little patience.
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I hit scale every August......not for the faint of heart but when it comes to bouncing, pretty nice water
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So here's a million dollar question...
Which fraser bar do you guys think is worse, pegleg or scale?
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Well, well... All it took was a little rant and bamo!! Some helpful reports to help out a brother
That's more like it. To the few that bash me for telling it how it is, Whatever! Could care less about what you say about me.
We were all novice at one point and would appreciate some help. Gas prices and inflation have gone through the roof!
I'm sure the 223 Lurkers on here now appreciate the feedback.
i just went through this whole thread again and prior to your last post...i couldn't find anyone who bashed you... i believe you did most of the bashing.
when i first came across this thread it was 1:30 in the morning, maybe you got more response because people who knew about the scales' condition were awake to answer some of your questions.
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So here's a million dollar question...
Which fraser bar do you guys think is worse, pegleg or scale?
I would say peg leg i have never been to scales bar but from what i saw last year during the sockeye opening WOW :o :o that place was just crazy...went there twice and those 2 times it was straight up gong show...
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So here's a million dollar question...
Which fraser bar do you guys think is worse, pegleg or scale?
peg leg by far...only because of it's proximity to Chilliwack's city core... however, scales isn't much better because of the gladiator mentally...if you decide to fish the meat holes don't expect anything less.
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I fished both last year and scale was way worse. We fished more up river of the big bank on peg so it was less crowded. As for scale bar it was by far the worse fishing of my life. Angry rednecks swearing and threatening each other. Constantly trying to get one up on the fisherman beside them by moving farther out into the water to wear they were almost chest deep. Never again will I fish the scale bar. But I will go back to peg.
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Gotta love that, this guy comes on and say fishers dont help fishers enough WAH WAH WAH...then when someone askes where scale bar is he says PM me? Why so secretive all of a sudden? Don't want to post the directions to the parking lot and have 233 people show up the next day?
Maybe you do understand why seasoned veterans dont always post all the info they could or provide answers to questions they know.
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Thanks for the replys everyone. i have fished the scales before so i do know a bit of what i am getting into. after fishing both there and pegleg last year id rather go back to the scale's . I saw a solid scrap at pegleg and a number for heated arguments from people cutting lines etc.
I'd love to tackle a spring but as i have only really been salmon fishing for one season im not sure of where to really go and try though I did tackle the vedder this past weekend to no avail. everytime i go and try to bar fish for Springs, all i catch is sturgeon! (not a bad thing though)
Anyways thanks again for all the replys guys , like someone said earlier with the price of gas these days its nice to have a heads up before you drive all the way out there.
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if i were you just stay away from the meatholes during the weekends its crazy...go during the week or something if you dont wanna involve yourself in some heated arguement and trust me there will be anyways.
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I fished both last year and scale was way worse. We fished more up river of the big bank on peg so it was less crowded. As for scale bar it was by far the worse fishing of my life. Angry rednecks swearing and threatening each other. Constantly trying to get one up on the fisherman beside them by moving farther out into the water to wear they were almost chest deep. Never again will I fish the scale bar. But I will go back to peg.
Ah..let the goodtimes roll...
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im not trying to sound un-appreciative i just wanted to point out that myself and imagine quite a few others that are new to this forum dont have the ability to PM, so even if someone wanted to, they might not be able to. So thank you for the people who answered my question in the discussion forum.
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I know he's being sarcastic and so am I. I don't believe I'm being ridiculous..... A d*%k head maybe for lack of better words
I just feel that majority of anglers out there don't do enough to help out newbies, but quick enough to bash and beak them for their lack of experience. After 600+ reads of this topic the poster finally gets some help and reports on his question. Scale bar is not a secret spot but yet
No one can speak up? Yes Rodney made all great and valid points on the "Maybe theory" but I'm not as nieve to think that out of 223 reads NO ONE has been to the Fraser river yet. Heck more than half of the responses to this thread has been directed more towards me than Scales Bar, but you know how the old saying goes " the squeaky wheel always gets the oil"
Check your attitude at the door, and don't pull that crap again. I hate it when people feel that they have the right to beak the guys who put so much time into making this site what it is. Rod has put a lot of very hard work into this site, the site which you use FOR FREE. In addition, Rodney's professionalism is impressive, so when he breaks his cool you should realize something is up.
As a general rule, I try to avoid the Fraser. Too much hostility, snagging, environmental destruction. The Vedder's not much better, but at least a guy can find a little privacy, and usually make a friend or two over a discussion of presentation, bait etc. What's there to discuss when everybody's using 12' leaders and bettys? ::)
J
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In addition, Rodney's professionalism is impressive, so when he breaks his cool you should realize something is up.
Did it seem like I was breaking my cool? ;D
Majority of the time I am more than happy to assist posters when questions are posted, but I can't take posts like the ones from goodoldays earlier seriously. The way it works is pretty simple, conduct yourself in the manner like the way you want to be treated.
Gooey has already pointed out the hypocrisy, which I didn't bother to mention it last night.
What I'm really curious is what is the minimum number of views without a reply before we cry out that people don't care and the world is coming to an end, because apparently 73 views is also not good enough.
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=18086.msg172533#msg172533
Sorry jeepseteve, for derailing the subject. ;)
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A lot of good points in this thread. How can we expect civility at the meatholes with all the yahoos if we can't get along on here. On a whole I have found ppl to be pretty forthcoming on this site. as long as you have done your fair share of research and are willing to get out and explore and experiment on your own. Rather than sit back and expect to be taught like it's everyones job. As for goodold days just shocked at the audacity displayed especially to te moderator who always goes out of his way to help newbies (like myself). Either bring it down a notch and learn something or Stick to the meatholes with the other yahoos w your bad attitude! Almost thought I was actually combat fishing again hearing your rants!
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Wow, read 223 times and no response!!
I find personally Lower MainLand Fisherman especially Fraser valley
Don't like to share any knowledge of Fraser River when it comes to bottom bouncing for fish, or spots on Fraser.
They just complain about people fishing this way and act all tuff on these Internet forms like they are god or something.
Well, well... All it took was a little rant and bamo!!
I'm sure the 223 Lurkers on here now appreciate the feedback.
Hey Milo can u tell me where u were fishing
I would never ask a fellow angler that unless they are close friends or Family!
That is an unwritten rule of thumb when it comes to angling.
seriously dude? unwritten rule of thumb when it comes to angling? you would never ask unless they are close friends or family?... yet lower mainland fishermen don't like to share and they complain a lot? ... a bit of hypocrisy don't you think?
Lurkers with no history of feed back deserving the right to information (which most lower mainland fishermen learned from going out on their own)? WOW!....big difference between asking for help and feeling entitlement to it.
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Did it seem like I was breaking my cool? ;D
Majority of the time I am more than happy to assist posters when questions are posted, but I can't take posts like the ones from goodoldays earlier seriously. The way it works is pretty simple, conduct yourself in the manner like the way you want to be treated.
Gooey has already pointed out the hypocrisy, which I didn't bother to mention it last night.
What I'm really curious is what is the minimum number of views without a reply before we cry out that people don't care and the world is coming to an end, because apparently 73 views is also not good enough.
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=18086.msg172533#msg172533
Sorry jeepseteve, for derailing the subject. ;)
Maybe not losing the cool - more...well...you know what I mean!!! ;D ;D
And that's the next stage of site development, Rod!! Posts that have been viewed ____ number of times without being replied to are deleted! Cause hey, apparently nobody out here in the LML shares knowledge, right?
And goodoldays - if us LML'ers weren't sharing knowledge, what were we sharing? I thought lots had been shared, imagine my disbelief when I realized my time on this forum was futile!! ;D
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Maybe not losing the cool - more...well...you know what I mean!!! ;D ;D
And that's the next stage of site development, Rod!! Posts that have been viewed ____ number of times without being replied to are deleted! Cause hey, apparently nobody out here in the LML shares knowledge, right?
And goodoldays - if us LML'ers weren't sharing knowledge, what were we sharing? I thought lots had been shared, imagine my disbelief when I realized my time on this forum was futile!! ;D
yah no one in the LML likes to share that's why our rivers are so congested... ::)
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73 views with no replies and the 74th replies that he is shocked that none of the other 73 offered anything when he himself admits to knowing nothing about the topic. So if the 74th viewer had nothing useful to contribute, why is it so impossible to imagine the 73 previous knew nothing either. I guess we all need to reply to every post with a "IDK". like we really need 73 or 223 posts of "IDK".
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This thread is gold!!! Especially Hue-nut, Dennis t, and Rod. Very entertaining! Whoever asked about Spey fishing scale bar I apologize if you were serious but if it was being sarcastic, I howled! Night kids.
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A spey guide or a bar guy would probably float down from Scale Bar being tossed by the ruthless bottom bouncers there. ;D ;D
Seriously, I have not been to Scale yet. The river level is pretty high this year. Do you need a wader just to cross the usually dry inside channel and get out to the bar?
I personally prefer Scale Bar over Peg Leg in early season. Peg is not accessible now unless you have a boat. Later season, the lower section of Peg is just too unreal with a sea of people and rods & lines crossing each other. The mid section has slow & shallow water, so it is good for fly fishing. The upper end of Peg used to be a good spring spots. At high water like now, Scale Bar has a long stretch of productive water but later when the mid section is too shallow to fish, you have to wade out sooooo far in order to fish effectively and folks have to stand waist high. Not my liking for summer fishing. There are other bars besides these two, such as Seabird, Jones/Laidlaw, even the infamous Snaggy Bar (if you don't mind losing betties faster than you can tie up). ;D ;D One more thing is, when the river drops a lot later season, there are so many formerly submerged bars available. There will be no need to jam into these gong shows. Just explore & you will find peace & quiet, and still be productive.
One last point about people not wanting to respond to the Scale Bar question is probably due to the mind set of some members of this forum. No one wants to invite ridicule from anti-flossing folks. To admit that you have fished Scales can bring unnecessary ridicule even if your intent is just to share info. Most cannot PM each other (not a subscriber) even if one wish to PM the info to the poster. But it is also quite possible that most people have not started fishing the Fraser yet. The high cost of gas & unpredictable result of targeting springs have made many of my fishing friends staying home, or fishing more locally, like the Cap. If there is an opening of sockeyes, all hell will break loose and the bars will be jam-packed. The latest test fishery numbers are good. So keep your fingers crossed. :) Good luck fishing.
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Are you serious,sprey fishing in Scale bar....you must be tired of living.
If you love yourself,avoid Peg and scale.
I am getting ready to be roasted.Thanks