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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: darmin on March 24, 2007, 08:59:23 AM
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this just blows me away im posting it because i think everyone needs to know this is happening it speaks for itself
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Click on links below
The video - http://www.glumbert.com/media/dolphin <http://www.glumbert.com/media/dolphin>
The petition - http://www.petitiononline.com/golfinho/ <http://www.petitiononline.com/golfinho/>
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>:( >:( >:(
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no worse than this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDJpgEB3U4g
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Life is brutal, we do much worse to people. Did you start a petition when the slaughter...errr ethnic cleansing went on in Africa or E. Europe? Is murder with axes and machetes for non food sources less offense???
It is a food source over there, It's not pretty but is slashing the gills out of a salmon or steelhead and watching it flop around on the shore and better??? How many videos of heartless Canadian/U.s. fisherman are there on the internet now???
Birdman, remember how you got dogged about that picture you took??? Now you know why we did it....You could have been a poster child for these guys!!!
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well i should of known you post on this site you have to expect to be critized thats it for me im out of here ::) to many super pros
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well i should of known you post on this site you have to expect to be critized thats it for me im out of here ::) to many super pros
sorry you didn't get the response you were after, but let's face it. this forum isn't a branch of PETA. the members here are seasoned outdoorsmen with open minds and subjective ideals.
what people eat is their business...it's their practices and consquences (environmently) that should be your concern....not because you think the species being hunted is cute and cuddly.
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People, relax, and learn to differentiate negativity and disagreement in view points.
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those videos were hard to watch :'(
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I SEEN THIS VIDEO THE OTHER DAY ON A DIFF SITE, IT MAKES ME SICK !
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It's not so much the killing of the dolphins. It's the inhumane killing of them.
We don't like to see even "lower intelligence" animals such as fish suffer. We make a point of quickly dispatching our kill. This is an expose of definitely needless suffering by the dolphins. They should be killed quickly so as to minimize their suffering.
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no worse than this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDJpgEB3U4g
Again - if you were to watch a beef slaughterhouse, it isn't much prettier. They are helpless too.
Now, killing for aesthetic purposes...that gets me riled up. We don't need seal fur coats and boots.
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We don't like to see even "lower intelligence" animals such as fish suffer. We make a point of quickly dispatching our kill. This is an expose of definitely needless suffering by the dolphins. They should be killed quickly so as to minimize their suffering.
People get emotional because the dolphins are perceived to be cute like Flipper. Sportsfishermen may quickly dispatch their catch but not the commercial boys. Their way of dispatching the catch is to toss them into holding wells where they suffocate to death.
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It's not so much the killing of the dolphins. It's the inhumane killing of them.
That's my biggest thing about seeing this. I understand the Japanese have hunted dolphins along their costs for hundreds of years, but again, dispatch them with a bullet or something and then bleed them.
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Life is brutal, we do much worse to people. Did you start a petition when the slaughter...errr ethnic cleansing went on in Africa or E. Europe? Is murder with axes and machetes for non food sources less offense???
It is a food source over there, It's not pretty but is slashing the gills out of a salmon or steelhead and watching it flop around on the shore and better??? How many videos of heartless Canadian/U.s. fisherman are there on the internet now???
Birdman, remember how you got dogged about that picture you took??? Now you know why we did it....You could have been a poster child for these guys!!!
That was ridiculous. I take the damn picture off. Everyone deletes there post then someone makes a whole fricken new thread to rip on me some more. Joke. There is such worse issues out there but everyone has nothing better to do then whine about non-problems like that I guess.
No ones ripping you for it now...that's why I said to take it off...we knew you were being a goof, but as you can see, some people will go out of their way to take a shot like that and run with it...
As far as humane ways to kill, kind of an oxymoron...your killing, I think everyone forgets that animals go into shock as well as humans... it sucks to kill any creature that way, but most of what your watching is the after the animal is dead...Like I said earlier, when you bonk (humane way to kill) your fish, then you bleed it...and when I'm even done cleaning it, I've had fish still flopping...doesn't mean it's still alive and feeling that!!! Not making judgment calls on how other nationalities kill their animals because it can be thrown right back in our faces....Tough when they are flipper...but damn...they are not slaughtering them for fun, they are a major food source...our beef, chicken and turkeys don't die pretty either...
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Most people don't have a clue where their foods come from. They seem to think that steaks, prime ribs, pork, chicken, turkeys come in neatly package trays from Safeway.
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Most people don't have a clue where their foods come from. They seem to think that steaks, prime ribs, pork, chicken, turkeys come in neatly package trays from Safeway.
WHAT!!!! :o :o Don't tell me meat comes from somewhere else? I mean come on....next thing you'll be saying Santa isn't real... ;)
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Most people don't have a clue where their foods come from. They seem to think that steaks, prime ribs, pork, chicken, turkeys come in neatly package trays from Safeway.
WHAT!!!! :o :o Don't tell me meat comes from somewhere else? I mean come on....next thing you'll be saying Santa isn't real... ;)
;D
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Life is brutal, we do much worse to people. Did you start a petition when the slaughter...errr ethnic cleansing went on in Africa or E. Europe? Is murder with axes and machetes for non food sources less offense???
It is a food source over there, It's not pretty but is slashing the gills out of a salmon or steelhead and watching it flop around on the shore and better??? How many videos of heartless Canadian/U.s. fisherman are there on the internet now???
Birdman, remember how you got dogged about that picture you took??? Now you know why we did it....You could have been a poster child for these guys!!!
I totally agree with this!
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if the average person had a clue how livestock are slaughtered theyd be second guessing eating it. me ive given up avoiding it until i get my PAL and CORE. after that i doubt ill ever touch beef again i hate the stuff.....
pfff pusssssyyy
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just go to youtube and punch in pig slaughter, or camel sacrifice, or cow slaughter.
i admit, i felt kinda bad for the way these animals died, but i ain't gonna stop eating meat. i say...kill only what you need and eat everything that you kill....other than that, if you can't handle that then go vagen.
if you're sensitive or squeamish, just watch the videos over and over....it'll help de-sensitize you. ;D COLD I KNOW, BUT HEY THAT'S LIFE.
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just go to youtube and punch in pig slaughter, or camel sacrifice, or cow slaughter.
i admit, i felt kinda bad for the way these animals died, but i ain't gonna stop eating meat. i say...kill only what you need and eat everything that you kill....other than that, if you can't handle that then go vagen.
if you're sensitive or squeamish, just watch the videos over and over....it'll help de-sensitize you. ;D COLD I KNOW, BUT HEY THAT'S LIFE.
I agree ;)
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It's not so much the killing of the dolphins. It's the inhumane killing of them.
We don't like to see even "lower intelligence" animals such as fish suffer. We make a point of quickly dispatching our kill. This is an expose of definitely needless suffering by the dolphins. They should be killed quickly so as to minimize their suffering.
Well said photodude...
... listening to the narration was making me as sick as well >:( Who wrote that script? everything was EXREMELY biased....
Agreed, definitely trying to spice things up a bit...
Life is brutal, we do much worse to people. Did you start a petition when the slaughter...errr ethnic cleansing went on in Africa or E. Europe? Is murder with axes and machetes for non food sources less offense???
Good point, it's tough though, I think we have been conditioned during the course of our lives, towards a sense of apathy or inability to make a difference...perhaps we should start petitions, etc for every atrocity we hear of, but I think in cases like this one Darmin brought up, making a difference might seem more attainable than causes like those mentioned in the quote...
Having said that, who's to say Darmin hasn't started or participated in petitions against ethnic cleansing, persecution, or other atrocities...? I certainly can't say if he has or hasn't...I can only presume he brought it up here because it is a fisheries related topic...
However, we might inspect our own activities with the seal hunt here at home as well if we are going to do so with those of others abroad....
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is it size what it make a different,8lb coho or 500lb dolphin?Hindus feel offended,that you eat steaks....it is just different point of view...
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is it size what it make a different,8lb coho or 500lb dolphin?Hindus feel offended,that you eat steaks....it is just different point of view...
I think most people feel it's worse because dolphins are considered one of the most intelligent and complex socially evolved creatures on the planet, next to us, supposedly...but it isn't much different I guess, if you look at it from a food source only angle...
I would offer a couple other angles to consider though...
Dolphins are wild animals, not bred as a food source like our chickens, pigs or cows. Nor are any natural dolphin populations managed for sustainable harvest or supplemented in any way, as far as I know anyhow...
Are the levels of harvest in tune with the dolphin populations natural ability to replenish itself? If not, what would we have to say about this when they are all gone?
Also, Is there a cheap, effective and humane way to kill their catch rather than slicing their throats after they've been dragged up onto the dock?
Just a couple of things to consider, as I feel just stomping on this is a little bit trigger happy, although everyone is entitled to their opinion of course, there may be more to this than meets the eye.
ps: I'll be away from the forum for a day or two, so don't stomp on my comments too hard, however thick my skin may be...
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It's not so much the killing of the dolphins. It's the inhumane killing of them.
We don't like to see even "lower intelligence" animals such as fish suffer. We make a point of quickly dispatching our kill. This is an expose of definitely needless suffering by the dolphins. They should be killed quickly so as to minimize their suffering.
Well said photodude...
Sigh..... Too much work travel - not enough fishing :'(
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is it size what it make a different,8lb coho or 500lb dolphin?Hindus feel offended,that you eat steaks....it is just different point of view...
I think most people feel it's worse because dolphins are considered one of the most intelligent and complex socially evolved creatures on the planet, next to us, supposedly...but it isn't much different I guess, if you look at it from a food source only angle...
I would offer a couple other angles to consider though...
Dolphins are wild animals, not bred as a food source like our chickens, pigs or cows. Nor are any natural dolphin populations managed for sustainable harvest or supplemented in any way, as far as I know anyhow...
Are the levels of harvest in tune with the dolphin populations natural ability to replenish itself? If not, what would we have to say about this when they are all gone?
Also, Is there a cheap, effective and humane way to kill their catch rather than slicing their throats after they've been dragged up onto the dock?
Just a couple of things to consider, as I feel just stomping on this is a little bit trigger happy, although everyone is entitled to their opinion of course, there may be more to this than meets the eye.
ps: I'll be away from the forum for a day or two, so don't stomp on my comments too hard, however thick my skin may be...
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unfortunately, nothing in this world is sustainable for an infinite timeline. especially when commerce is involved. like always, we humans wait till the brink of exhaustion before we react.
all animals start off wild. naturally we chose the species which were the easiest to domesticate and replicate, to use for our personal needs.
sustainability is a major problem that does not elude our domestic stocks. over use of growth hormones (in feeds) and antibiotics even compromises them.
and alas, poor management inflict poor living conditions and questionable handling of these same so-called animal food source.
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Interesting that my link to a site discussing sexual relations with dolphins gets moderated (deleted). ergo: it is ok to show and discuss slaughtering these critters, but not ok to bring up getting it on with them. Anyone interested might google "dolphin love."
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I've been reading the posts and I'm pretty surprised at the collective amount of misinformation, bravado and just plain ignorance.
The biggest problem with comparing dolphins/sharks to chickens/cows is that the oceans provide from 50 to 70% of the oxygen on this planet. Also we can't "raise" sharks and dolphins on a scale that is significant ~ nature must do it (they are not chickens or pigs folks). Creatures like dolphins and sharks are at the top of the oceanic food chain and maintain the harmony in relationships among smaller fish/plankton which creates the required air humans need to breath. Wipe out the oceans larger predators and you have a massive imbalance that impacts peoples ability to stay alive.
If I laid a long trap line for fox of say 30 miles and inadvertently caught moose, rabbit, bear, beaver ~ the general public outrage would shut be down in a day. And yet we allow long lining of the oceans which impacts us as a human species by endangering our future oxygen supply 1000 times more then allowing the odd panda or spotted owl going extinct.
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Interesting that my link to a site discussing sexual relations with dolphins gets moderated (deleted). ergo: it is ok to show and discuss slaughtering these critters, but not ok to bring up getting it on with them. Anyone interested might google "dolphin love."
hahaha dude you are hillarious ;D
dolphin love
id love to see a southpark episode showing that
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"The biggest problem with comparing dolphins/sharks to chickens/cows is that the oceans provide from 50 to 70% of the oxygen on this planet. Also we can't "raise" sharks and dolphins on a scale that is significant ~ nature must do it (they are not chickens or pigs folks). Creatures like dolphins and sharks are at the top of the oceanic food chain and maintain the harmony in relationships among smaller fish/plankton which creates the required air humans need to breath. Wipe out the oceans larger predators and you have a massive imbalance that impacts peoples ability to stay alive."
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So your saying fish provide the oxygen that we need to survive??? What complete CRAP!!!! The part of the food chain that is the most damaged is the lower end, the basic foods the fish eat. Without them, all the fish are hurt...look at your Howe sound....Everything else your stating is total B.S.
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Xgolfman, DennisK is saying that the removal of predators on top of the food web causes an imbalance that may take a long time to achieve equilibrium. The bottom of the oceanic foodweb is the phytoplankton, which makes up the primary oxygen producer on this planet. By taking away those that predate consumers of phytoplanktons (I'm skipping some steps here, the food chain has a lot more steps than just three), you're ultimately causing an oxygen depletion.
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Xgolfman, DennisK is saying that the removal of predators on top of the food web causes an imbalance that may take a long time to achieve equilibrium. The bottom of the oceanic foodweb is the phytoplankton, which makes up the primary oxygen producer on this planet. By taking away those that predate consumers of phytoplankton's (I'm skipping some steps here, the food chain has a lot more steps than just three), you're ultimately causing an oxygen depletion.
I understand that Rod, but that is a huge leap to make the statement he is....and to make it in such a condensending way is just ridiculous.
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and to make it in such a condensending way is just ridiculous.
Perhaps I am already aware of the problem Dennis addressed, because I can't seem to see it as condensending, and I've read it several more times after you pointed out too.
I actually have quite a bit to say regarding this topic, but it is difficult to have a frank discussion on a complex issue when the participants come from a wide range of educational background and age, so I have and will continue to restrain myself from it.
One thing I will point out though after reviewing the petition letter. Which organization is behind the petition? Who is Pedro Oliveira? The privacy act is also very vague. The problem with online petition is that names and emails can be created to generate petition count. Would the authority that the petition is presented to recognize its validity? What would motivate the Prime Minister of Japan to cease such practice when his own people, who keep him in power, are not voicing the same view?
Goal achievement should be fueled by passion, but a game plan is needed to guarantee success.
Interesting that my link to a site discussing sexual relations with dolphins gets moderated (deleted).
I ask myself that too quite a few times before and after deleting it. There were a few complaints. I think the only explanation that I can give you is the difference in context between the two. The movement against animal cruelty is socially acceptable and people want to talk about it. Sexual relations with dolpins is not socially acceptable, I think... and it generates comments such as what you find in Derp's post, which basically derails the original subject. Whenever a discussion forum has a core group of teens participating, it is my responsibility to restrict some material so the quality of the forum does not drop. Perhaps the topic is more appropriate in a discussion forum where only adults are permitted.
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Sexual relations with dolpins is not socially acceptable
:o :o :o :o :o it isnt ? :-[
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the argument here folks is how we mis-manage our resources. the true ignorance and misinformation was the one made where the overall summary of the ocean's plight was leading to world's imbalance and demise. everything in this world goes hand in hand. from the retraction of the polar ice caps which create an imbalance to the weather and world mean temperature....to the deforestation of our old growth and rain forests which is key to photosynthesis and the filtration of our existing air. there are alot of factors.
ignorant is the conclusion made of imbalance, when the argument itself is perforated with incomplete facts based on bias and backed with insulting insinuations.
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So your saying fish provide the oxygen that we need to survive??? What complete CRAP!!!! The part of the food chain that is the most damaged is the lower end, the basic foods the fish eat. Without them, all the fish are hurt...look at your Howe sound....Everything else your stating is total B.S.
You may want to educate yourself about this. I'm not a marine biologist but read enough on this topic to understand the relationships are critical for life on this planet (assuming we can't figure out how to get by without oxygen). Here's a link about the "crap":
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/06/0607_040607_phytoplankton.html
"In the process of photosynthesis, phytoplankton release oxygen into the water. Half of the world's oxygen is produced via phytoplankton photosynthesis. The other half is produced via photosynthesis on land by trees, shrubs, grasses, and other plants."
And 90% of the world's shark population has been destroyed by man in about 60 years. Pretty disgusting when you consider they have been here 400 million years.
And from a marine biologist who recently made a film about sharks:
"Stewart said a lack of sharks will allow the proliferation of many of the species’ prey. An over-abundance, or lack of, various species like plankton, seals, porpoises and whales – all prey for sharks – could throw the ocean’s habitat into the spin cycle, he said.
“We rely on plankton to help manage and recycle the level of CO2 in the air,” he said. “So basically we rely on them for the air we breathe.” "
http://www.saanichnews.com/portals-code/list.cgi?paper=28&cat=23&id=859098&more=
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the argument here folks is how we mis-manage our resources. the true ignorance and misinformation was the one made where the overall summary of the ocean's plight was leading to world's imbalance and demise. everything in this world goes hand in hand.
Actually we're the last hominids on this planets - there have been several before us and the world has survived. It's an overstatement to say "everything" is connected hand in hand for absolute perfect harmony ~ I can point out how crucial dolphins/sharks are ~ but pandas or some owls for example (apart from being cute) won't affect our oxygen supply in a critical way.
And personally I'm very afraid of pandas.
(http://www.iamsog.com/html/sog_art/illustrations/bad_panda.jpg)
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So your saying fish provide the oxygen that we need to survive??? What complete CRAP!!!! The part of the food chain that is the most damaged is the lower end, the basic foods the fish eat. Without them, all the fish are hurt...look at your Howe sound....Everything else your stating is total B.S.
You may want to educate yourself about this. I'm not a marine biologist but read enough on this topic to understand the relationships are critical for life on this planet (assuming we can't figure out how to get by without oxygen). Here's a link about the "crap":
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/06/0607_040607_phytoplankton.html
"In the process of photosynthesis, phytoplankton release oxygen into the water. Half of the world's oxygen is produced via phytoplankton photosynthesis. The other half is produced via photosynthesis on land by trees, shrubs, grasses, and other plants."
And 90% of the world's shark population has been destroyed by man in about 60 years. Pretty disgusting when you consider they have been here 400 million years.
And from a marine biologist who recently made a film about sharks:
"Stewart said a lack of sharks will allow the proliferation of many of the species’ prey. An over-abundance, or lack of, various species like plankton, seals, porpoises and whales – all prey for sharks – could throw the ocean’s habitat into the spin cycle, he said.
“We rely on plankton to help manage and recycle the level of CO2 in the air,” he said. “So basically we rely on them for the air we breathe.” "
http://www.saanichnews.com/portals-code/list.cgi?paper=28&cat=23&id=859098&more=
So did YOU actually read the article or just the first paragraph and then go off half cocked again??? phytoplankton photosynthesis is discussed and as it states can be increased by adding iron but worries scientists as it could lead to warmer climate conditions by doing so....I'm not getting "educated" at all to your argument here that japans taking of dolphins cruelly has one damn to do with your previous statement.
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Actually we're the last hominids on this planets - there have been several before us and the world has survived. It's an overstatement to say "everything" is connected hand in hand for absolute perfect harmony ~ I can point out how crucial dolphins/sharks are ~ but pandas or some owls for example (apart from being cute) won't affect our oxygen supply in a critical way.
actually, it's not an overstatement.
ie... the study of frogs and their decline due to air pollution and its correlation to the acidity levels of their habitat, have been documented and monitored. the health of their ecosystem is noted as an early detection of our environment's deterioration. this, because frogs and other amphibians are the most sensitive towards change in toxic levels.
the overproduction of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and change in weather patterns, the rise of 1 degree in the mean temperature...all contribute to the effect of global warming.
overpopulation, overdependence of antibiotics, super viruses, famon......take your pick.
...and you believe that the killing of dolphins and sharks are the biggest problem we have? i think believing nothing goes hand in hand is the biggest over statement.
(cause + effect) x management of resources = balance