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alwaysfishn

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Re: The HST vote - making a decision
« Reply #90 on: June 02, 2011, 09:10:18 PM »

What a bunch of Crap, keep spoutin your miss truths alwaysfishin, I am gettin tired of your stupid rhetoric. Novabonker is correct it's the nitch or the lack of product/services that create the business opportunities that create business and jobs. If what you are saying is correct then just come here to Merritt and fill your gas tank, The business creators that provide those crappy minimum wage jobs that you are constantly spoutin off about are charging $135.00 a litre for gas at the pump here in Merritt, yet if you go to Kamloops its $110.00/Litre, wheres the justice of supply and demand and competition between the oil companys that your philosophy says is friggin gospel. You seem to think that the HST lie is sad, well Im sure that you must realise that it is sad as the voting public has been lied to numerous times, to the point where we are loosing our demoratict ability to make an informed decision because of the lack of truth supplied by the elected government or the press that is supposed to report accurately and which in most cases the truth is ignored or not even mentioned in the press ( just look at the Run of the Rivers projects and all of the wilderness damage its done and the financial overcost to BC Hydro).... As for individuals risking there savings when starting a business, you make them out to be heroes or something, we all know that in any new business there is a risk and nothing ventured is nothing gained. As well some people say that big business will leave this province of BC if they dont get the tax breaks that the HST provides them, well I say good riddance to those corporations as this will in all likelihood open the doors and pave the way for more small local business that will keep the profits here in BC as wll as decent paying jobs....

... Unfortunately your thought process is delusional.        You probably can relate to the following article.....

Selling HST to the ‘me’ generation

VICTORIA – Even if all you care about is your own wallet, the harmonized sales tax just became an offer you shouldn’t refuse.

Premier Christy Clark promised a “bold” fix for the HST, and she delivered. For months I have been arguing that the only way to overcome the wave of rejection caused by the panicked introduction of the HST is to offer a rate cut. I expected one per cent.

Now if you vote to keep it, a second one-per-cent reduction will be largely financed by reversing some of the B.C. Liberals’ business tax cuts of recent years. It not only sweetens the deal for consumers, it’s great politics.

First, let’s look at it from a selfish, short-term perspective, the way some readers loudly remind me they view the world. If you vote next month to go back to the provincial sales tax, the 12-per-cent PST-GST on goods that you probably didn’t notice before will continue. If you have kids under 18 or are a senior living on less than $40,000 a year, you will be saying no to a $175-per-person bonus cheque.

If you only care about yourself, you won’t care about the loss of HST credits to the poorest people in B.C. You won’t care about the province repaying Ottawa’s transition fund, or rebuilding a B.C. sales tax department to force business to convert their billing systems again. You won’t care about the competitive advantage given to Ontario, unless it costs you your job.

When the B.C. government of the day has to cut services to pay for this disastrous reversal, you’ll denounce them for doing what you told them to do. You will get the government you deserve, which may include a PST extended to restaurant meals or haircuts, because the money has to come from somewhere.

When Clark’s HST “fix” was unveiled, it was the NDP’s turn to panic. They have painted themselves into a corner, and now face the prospect of arguing for a return to an archaic sales tax with a higher rate.

And once again, Bill Vander Zalm and Chris Delaney tour B.C. in their Fight HST conspiracy clown car, refueled by $250,000 of public funds to campaign in the referendum.

Their campaign of fear and ignorance is encountering heavy resistance at university and college campuses, however, as tax experts fact-check their claims on the spot.  (They’ve added “rallies” in an effort to keep fear alive.)

Delaney still raves about Europe being the cause of all this alleged human misery with their insidious Value Added Tax. Vander Zalm continues to mutter about a plot to establish world government through carbon taxes and the HST.

It would be nice if the NDP-Fight HST crowd were concerned about the wave of retiring baby boomers that is starting to wash across the country. But they’re not.

There are changes happening now in the B.C. economy that 1960s socialism and 1980s populism are not equipped to handle. The living standard of our children is going to be determined by how we deal with our aging, globalizing population, and this is one reason to understand a shift to consumption taxes.

Fourteen months ago I wrote that more U.S. states are joining Washington, Hawaii and others with sales taxes on services as well as goods. Robert Kleine, treasurer for Michigan, explained it this way:

“The basic thing is that we need to update our tax structure. We’ve got a 20th-century tax structure based on a different sort of economy. The tax base doesn’t grow as the economy grows.”

Tom Fletcher is legislative reporter and columnist for Black Press and BCLocalnews.com

http://www.bclocalnews.com/fraser_valley/theprogress/opinion/122878154.html

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Re: The HST vote - making a decision
« Reply #91 on: June 02, 2011, 09:44:31 PM »

Businesses are the ones that hire people, not consumers. Businesses pay the salaries, not the consumers. Businesses invest the money to start up their enterprise, not the consumers. Statements like the above show that the writer doesn't have a clue about business. A large investment of money is required to start a business, and probably 50% of businesses fail. As a result a lot of individuals lose their personal savings.

The truth is Businesses create the jobs!

If this were true than anyone with a little start up cash could create a business.  Nova is accurate we he points out that without the demand for the goods or service, there would be no business.  If you take cash out of the hands of consumers, then businesses downsize and close. They do not start up.  They do not hire new staff.  Without consumers, there is no money for the business to pay the salaries.  The reason 50% of business fail is because they start with the premise that businesses are the ones that hire people, not consumers. That is a recipe for failure.
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Re: The HST vote - making a decision
« Reply #92 on: June 02, 2011, 10:48:42 PM »

If this were true than anyone with a little start up cash could create a business.  Nova is accurate we he points out that without the demand for the goods or service, there would be no business.  If you take cash out of the hands of consumers, then businesses downsize and close. They do not start up.  They do not hire new staff.  Without consumers, there is no money for the business to pay the salaries.  The reason 50% of business fail is because they start with the premise that businesses are the ones that hire people, not consumers. That is a recipe for failure.

We're talking semantics here. Everyone needs each other.

Without successful businesses there are no jobs. Without jobs consumers can't consume. It's like arguing the chicken or the egg....

The anti-HST crowd is pushing the concept that the consumer is all you need and as a result business exists. They are ignoring the fact that business requires investment and investment only exists if it can profit.  

I'm saying that government through taxation tries to provide a balance of generating revenue yet not overly stressing either the consumer or the business. The HST gets it right, particularly at 10% which is a 17% discount from the old PST GST system.
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« Reply #93 on: June 03, 2011, 05:34:22 AM »

Oddly enough, I've talked to people in the same line as mine , and everyone of us, from the supply chain to those of  us on the ground have seen anything from 15 to 30% drop in business since implementation.

We're talking semantics here. Everyone needs each other. Until one side gets financed by the other

Without successful businesses there are no jobs. Without jobs consumers can't consume. It's like arguing the chicken or the egg....

The anti-HST crowd is pushing the concept that the consumer is all you need and as a result business exists. They are ignoring the fact that business requires investment and investment only exists if it can profit.

REPEAT - If you're unable to make a profit from the way you plan your business under the  present structure, get a job.You know, one of those part time things that keep the real numbers low, the kind that pay that minimum wage. 

I'm saying that government through taxation tries to provide a balance of generating revenue yet not overly stressing either the consumer or the business. The HST gets it right, particularly at 10% which is a 17% discount from the old PST GST system.

Government needs to learn how to live within the vast amounts it takes in, like the citizens do. Apparently, the Lower Mainland is in for another carbon tax to cover the Evergreen line. WHOOPEE! At what point does the ATM run out of cash?
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Re: The HST vote - making a decision
« Reply #94 on: June 03, 2011, 05:42:57 AM »

... Unfortunately your thought process is delusional.        You probably can relate to the following article.....






And when I (or anyone else)don't agree with your ,um, rhetoric we're delusional or in my case verbose. Do you want cream and sugar in your vat of hypocrisy?
http://www.publiceyeonline.com/
Yesterday, we exclusively reported the province's $5 million harmonized sales tax "information campaign" won't include any advertisements promoting the positives of returning to a provincial sales tax, even though it now features a commercial touting the HST's benefits. The reason for that omission: in an interview Finance Minister Kevin Falcon - who earlier promised not to run a "persuasion campaign" - said "there isn't any positives of moving back." As a result, New Democrat leader Adrian Dix is calling for those ads to pulled to "ensure that that money goes where it belongs: to B.C. classrooms, to B.C. hospitals, to people with developmental disabilities," raising the issue in question period today.


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On May 12, Finance Minister Kevin Falcon told reporters the government's $5 new million harmonized sales tax advertising campaign would be an "information campaign" not a "persuasion campaign." A few weeks later, the government rolled out a commercial stating the "HST reduces bureaucracy and small business costs." But, in an interview with Public Eye today, Mr. Falcon said the government isn't going to be running any commercials promoting the positives of returning to a provincial sales tax because there aren't any. So doesn't that mean the government is running a persuasion campaign? In response, the finance minister told us other ads will point out "some prices are going up too. We're not pretending in those ads that everything comes down. I think those ads are informative. And I would argue I think they're balanced." Specifically, Mr. Falcon referenced an ad that will show how a candy bar is pricier under the harmonized sales tax while baby diapers are cheaper.

Soooo- Our money gets used as a sales pitch.What happened to the non biased advertising? Typical Liberal BS- AGAIN- the "We Say One Thing, Expect The Opposite" party.
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Re: The HST vote - making a decision
« Reply #95 on: June 03, 2011, 07:37:44 AM »

Alwaysdelusional is got most of his "facts" from second hand marijuana encounters. :)
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Re: The HST vote - making a decision
« Reply #96 on: June 03, 2011, 09:30:03 AM »

Oddly enough, I've talked to people in the same line as mine , and everyone of us, from the supply chain to those of  us on the ground have seen anything from 15 to 30% drop in business since implementation.


I see it differently....   Coincidental to the introduction of the HST a greater percentage of the people in BC are taking off their shoes before walking on their carpets. That's why fewer of them are calling you to get their carpets cleaned.  :D

I hate when people walk in my house and leave their shoes on!!!   
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« Reply #97 on: June 03, 2011, 09:30:54 AM »

Alwaysdelusional is got most of his "facts" from second hand marijuana encounters. :)

What is marijuana???
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« Reply #98 on: June 03, 2011, 08:18:13 PM »

The HST gets it right, particularly at 10% which is a 17% discount from the old PST GST system.

Isn't a 10% HST a direct result of the anti-HST Campaign?
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« Reply #99 on: June 03, 2011, 10:05:34 PM »

The 5 million dollar stick men have not convinced me to change my mind.  ??? :o ;D

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« Reply #100 on: June 03, 2011, 10:36:55 PM »

The 5 million dollar stick men have not convinced me to change my mind.  ??? :o ;D

Sorry Chris, there is a limit on how much money us taxpayers are willing to spend to help the dark side see the light....  ;D
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« Reply #101 on: June 03, 2011, 10:37:52 PM »

Isn't a 10% HST a direct result of the anti-HST Campaign?

Sure, why not take the credit......
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« Reply #102 on: June 04, 2011, 08:02:30 AM »

I see it differently....   Coincidental to the introduction of the HST a greater percentage of the people in BC are taking off their shoes before walking on their carpets. That's why fewer of them are calling you to get their carpets cleaned.  :D

I hate when people walk in my house and leave their shoes on!!!  

I'm glad you find amusement in others having problems.Sorta reflects on your character one would think- you must find skid row a hoot. First off, I'm not a one trick pony. I also sell and install flooring as well as do water damage restorations- other than emergency services, it's all way off. I've talked to wholesalers, retailers, union installers, non union, and , yes, even the lowly cleaners (who actually work and damned hard instead of leeches , oh, let's say financial planners who are really gamblers with others money :o) AND THEY'RE ALL OFF .

And as a footnote as it were, I'll give you some free professional advice. Have people wipe they're feet well before they walk in. Otherwise,they're smearing the sweat and body oils from the soles of their socks all over your carpet. Sniff the sole of your sock after wearing them all day. YUMMY!

Try not to be so condescending AF- It does little for you. and makes you look pompous.
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« Reply #103 on: June 04, 2011, 08:20:47 AM »

I'm glad you find amusement in others having problems.Sorta reflects on your character one would think- you must find skid row a hoot. First off, I'm not a one trick pony. I also sell and install flooring as well as do water damage restorations- other than emergency services, it's all way off. I've talked to wholesalers, retailers, union installers, non union, and , yes, even the lowly cleaners (who actually work and damned hard instead of leeches , oh, let's say financial planners who are really gamblers with others money :o) AND THEY'RE ALL OFF .

And as a footnote as it were, I'll give you some free professional advice. Have people wipe they're feet well before they walk in. Otherwise,they're smearing the sweat and body oils from the soles of their socks all over your carpet. Sniff the sole of your sock after wearing them all day. YUMMY!

Try not to be so condescending AF- It does little for you. and makes you look pompous.

I see I hit a sensitive nerve.....   :(

Just to be clear, no personal offense was intended and I'm sorry you took my joke that way.
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« Reply #104 on: June 04, 2011, 09:36:53 AM »

I'm sure there's many who find little humour in family business's struggling and going under because of poor government policy that negatively affects their business.  Look at the amount of equipment on Craigslist selling for pennies on the dollar - see if your stand up gets much ha ha there. But we can always eat cake when we have no bread. ::)
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