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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: chris gadsden on August 14, 2010, 11:10:35 PM
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Article and video.
http://www.bclocalnews.com/fraser_valley/hopestandard/news/100664099.html
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And they were pulling them in today when I visited the piopular areas today on the Fraser on Chilliiwack
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Good to hear they are still coming in strong. Planning to head out this week
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Sunday Aug. 15: Tons of Sockeye going past the south end of #3 Rd. in the main channel by Richmond all day today. Mid-morning, mid afternoon and early evening.
Monday Aug. 16 Evening: nothing moving
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Tons of Sockeye going past the south end of #3 Rd. in the main channel by Richmond all day today.
What time was that? :o The late morning flood tide or evening hours? Time to bring the fly rod out again this week...
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What time was that? :o The late morning flood tide or evening hours? Time to bring the fly rod out again this week...
You starting to TOW too. ;D ;D ;D
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There were tons out on the south arm at around 5pm today... looked almost like a giant school of pinks passing through.
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Was out near Hope yesterday morning on Snaggy Bar... caught two chromies within 15 minutes. Good thing there was a family next to me that I could help out by passing along my rod as I didn't want to head back to Maple Ridge after only 15 minutes of fishing.
Morning ended well after handing off the rod 5 times by hooking onto and landing a 22+ pound spring. ;D
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was 5 miles out from the hooter, and they were thick. most boats with limits.
going back out now
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Middle Arm as well between the South Terminal and Richmond at the head of Swishwash Island...school and schools....very pretty in the sunshine.
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i was out by the rosedale bridge and across from were i was their was a guy fishing on a bar. first cast he had a sock and landed it and gutted it. 2 cast another sock land and gutted. he then was sitting at a boat with his buddys bragging it took him two casts. but both were bullet chrome.
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Won't it be nice with such a huge run of sockeyes that DFO will up the daily limit to 4 like the salt water. Don't cream me for making such suggestion. It is just a thought. It is actually logical. There are enough fish for people to catch, why make them travel many more times costing much money in gas? It is good for the environment too with less trips needed to catch what a fisherman will need to catch. If I want only 16 sockeyes and can get it done in 4 trips, why take 8 trips to get it. It is not unreasonable considering those fishing the salt already have this daily limit. Let's be fair. Just to think of it, a tidal license cost a lot less than non-tidal too. ;D
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i would like 4 as i have a long drive,but the gong show would be more crazy than it is now.also not as many fishermen in the chuck and tons of room to move.
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be happy with 2, it should be closed in the fresh water.
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i was out by the rosedale bridge and across from were i was their was a guy fishing on a bar. first cast he had a sock and landed it and gutted it. 2 cast another sock land and gutted. he then was sitting at a boat with his buddys bragging it took him two casts. but both were bullet chrome.
In all respect, one should not brag about taking a fish that has not bit your offering. ::)
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In all respect, one should not brag about taking a fish that has not bit your offering. ::)
Comm'on Chris, Why should the native and commercial fisherman be the only ones that can brag about multiple fish not taking their 100-500 meter long gill net offerings?
Give the poor fisherman with a single barbless hook and one long leader a break...... Let him brag just a little. ;D
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In all respect, one should not brag about taking a fish that has not bit your offering. ::)
Great point Chris
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Comm'on Chris, Why should the native and commercial fisherman be the only ones that can brag about multiple fish not taking their 100-500 meter long gill net offerings?
Give the poor fisherman with a single barbless hook and one long leader a break...... Let him brag just a little. ;D
I think I will go and review what you said a while back about the HST. ;D ;D ;D
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Won't it be nice with such a huge run of sockeyes that DFO will up the daily limit to 4 like the salt water. Don't cream me for making such suggestion. It is just a thought. It is actually logical. There are enough fish for people to catch, why make them travel many more times costing much money in gas? It is good for the environment too with less trips needed to catch what a fisherman will need to catch. If I want only 16 sockeyes and can get it done in 4 trips, why take 8 trips to get it. It is not unreasonable considering those fishing the salt already have this daily limit. Let's be fair. Just to think of it, a tidal license cost a lot less than non-tidal too. ;D
Sadly that is not the mentality of those who choose to participate in a fishery based on greed. :-\
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I was at superstore on scott road last night and the sockey were from $18-$22
Not quite the prices I was expecting, but then again I don't really know what good prices for sockeye is?
How bad is it on the river these days? Shoulder to shoulder, people stepping in front of each other?
To save me the time and stress, i'd rather just hit the store and actually save some money. Anyone know of some good prices for sockeye out there?
Thanks
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$18-$22 seams like a very reasonable price for a Sockeye.
Hardly worth the aggravation time and money it takes to go snag them.
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You can buy 2 premium T-Bone steaks from Superstore this week for $12. No way am I going to pay $20+ for a Sockeye that's been sitting on the docks in the heat and then takes 2+ days to get to Superstore. Chances are it's either old, or it's been frozen once and then thawed. The Sockeye I barbequed this week was bonked less then 90 minutes before we ate it. Cost = $2 for gas + $2 for terminal tackle. That's for 2 fish though.
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You can buy 2 premium T-Bone steaks from Superstore this week for $12. No way am I going to pay $20+ for a Sockeye that's been sitting on the docks in the heat and then takes 2+ days to get to Superstore. Chances are it's either old, or it's been frozen once and then thawed. The Sockeye I barbequed this week was bonked less then 90 minutes before we ate it. Cost = $2 for gas + $2 for terminal tackle. That's for 2 fish though.
Sounds like you're bragging....... ;D :D
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how bad is it on the river tho?
Are people lined up and waiting in line for a spot? Or can i guy find a spot on the river (don't have a boat) if you show up at a decent time (thinking about going saturday).
thanks
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how bad is it on the river tho?
Are people lined up and waiting in line for a spot? Or can i guy find a spot on the river (don't have a boat) if you show up at a decent time (thinking about going saturday).
thanks
The fraser is a massive river. Just like fishing any river in the lower mainland if you go the well known spots expect a ton of traffic. Especially a fishery as easy as this. There are spots that you don't have to deal with a ton of people at you just have to look.....
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You can buy 2 premium T-Bone steaks from Superstore this week for $12. No way am I going to pay $20+ for a Sockeye that's been sitting on the docks in the heat and then takes 2+ days to get to Superstore. Chances are it's either old, or it's been frozen once and then thawed. The Sockeye I barbequed this week was bonked less then 90 minutes before we ate it. Cost = $2 for gas + $2 for terminal tackle. That's for 2 fish though.
I managed to get skunked last week so the fish worked out a bit more expensive... 15$ for terminal tackle, 40$ for gas and 15$ for a kiddy sized Sockeye from IGA
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how bad is it on the river tho?
Are people lined up and waiting in line for a spot? Or can i guy find a spot on the river (don't have a boat) if you show up at a decent time (thinking about going saturday).
thanks
I know the spot for you, will PM you later with details, one guy told me this morning when I was cleaning up some garbage and getting plucks he got 25 in 90 minutes. Said he handed the rod off to many who all went home happily with 2 sockeye. ??? ::) :o
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Are any more commercial openings scheduled??
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I do have a 12' aluminum, but my experience on the river is minimum.
The times i have been on the river with my boat, it was at peg leg and it really wasn't worth it because everyone else has a 12' aluminum and came over to the other side and it was the same gong show as the non boat side.
I guess my problem is that the only real experience i've had is at peg leg. I had a friend living there and he asked me a few times to come up there years back and we hit the sockeye pretty good.
It turned me off river fishing for years tho. I still love the lakes and thats the majority of the fishing i do. No crowds and you really get the nature experience.
I hate to say i'd like to capitalize on the sockeye run just for the meat. I do love the fishing and if i do get skunked, no biggie. Again...it boils down to putting in the time and actually doing some fishing.
You don't catch fish while mowing the lawn at home or fixing the fence! haha
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you need a boat to get to peg leg now so it wont be a zoo.the run is growing daily test results are huge in area 12 johnstone st. with weather change to cooler we should be good till labour day.
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I do have a 12' aluminum, but my experience on the river is minimum.
The times i have been on the river with my boat, it was at peg leg and it really wasn't worth it because everyone else has a 12' aluminum and came over to the other side and it was the same gong show as the non boat side.
I guess my problem is that the only real experience i've had is at peg leg. I had a friend living there and he asked me a few times to come up there years back and we hit the sockeye pretty good.
It turned me off river fishing for years tho. I still love the lakes and thats the majority of the fishing i do. No crowds and you really get the nature experience.
I hate to say i'd like to capitalize on the sockeye run just for the meat. I do love the fishing and if i do get skunked, no biggie. Again...it boils down to putting in the time and actually doing some fishing.
You don't catch fish while mowing the lawn at home or fixing the fence! haha
e mail sent with two locations to check out.
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Went to cleanup around Gill and gets some tins, the only thing good about this activity in my mind it yields lots of recyclables for us dumpster divers. ;D ;D ;D
Went to the one spot where they are really hauling them in, to change a couple of garbage bags and throw in the offal from cleaned fish as it is getting very smelly there and the guts are good for river fertilization too.
Sockeye were hit the beach one after another and one guy was handing fish off to others. He was boasting to the fellows around him that he beached 24 to 25 in 90 minutes yesterday. :o He said he was sending a lot of not so good a catcher home with fish too. ::)
I said "could he catch me one too"? "One minute" he says as he grabs his fishing machine rod and starts casting. First cast, there one" he says gleely, "no it is a snag' he replies, well he said the correct term. ;D "No only kidding" I quickly said as I continued to change the garbage bag. "They sure are tasty "he says. "I have fish I caught in the ocean so I donot need any I added. I could have said more but left it at that.
I left the scene as many shouts of excitement echoed across the river, I left shaking my head and continued cleaning up some more garbage.
As I side note I have sent an e mail to the president of the FVSS to see if he through his contacts he could organize a cleanup of walk in and boat access bars after sockeye mania is over as most of the people will disappear leaving the mess behind and will only return in 4 years time during the next sockeye opening.
I will attach the note later, if they donot I may try to find the time to do it and I am sure we will be able to get a few to join in from FWR.
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Hey Chris,
Is that big pile of shotgun shells still at the west end of Gill where everyone is fishing? Couldn't believe the amount of crap I saw in the few hours I fished there last week....
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Hey Chris,
Is that big pile of shotgun shells still at the west end of Gill where everyone is fishing? Couldn't believe the amount of crap I saw in the few hours I fished there last week....
Several sites along the Fraser like that. Guys shooting clays.
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you know...as much as i hate to say it.
Maybe that's what i'll do. Just walk up to someone and ask them for my 2 sockeye.
Saves me from having to go through the hassle of it all.
Then I can wait for the crowds to die down and get a quiet spot on the river.
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You can buy 2 premium T-Bone steaks from Superstore this week for $12. No way am I going to pay $20+ for a Sockeye that's been sitting on the docks in the heat and then takes 2+ days to get to Superstore. Chances are it's either old, or it's been frozen once and then thawed. The Sockeye I barbequed this week was bonked less then 90 minutes before we ate it. Cost = $2 for gas + $2 for terminal tackle. That's for 2 fish though.
Ahhh yes,those fresh TBones that were carved live in the back rtoom at Superstore.
Cant get much fresh than that.
Once i seen one escape into the store.
Talk about a bull in a china shop. ;D ::)
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WOW
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As I side note I have sent an e mail to the president of the FVSS to see if he through his contacts he could organize a cleanup of walk in and boat access bars after sockeye mania is over as most of the people will disappear leaving the mess behind and will only return in 4 years time during the next sockeye opening.
I will attach the note later, if they donot I may try to find the time to do it and I am sure we will be able to get a few to join in from FWR.
Hi Frank,
I notice the garbage issue is getting bad on the walk in, drive in areas for the sockeye activity during this recent opening.
I wonder if the Sockeye Round Table, the groups in the River Manners initiative, or the sockeye study would like to organize a cleanup when the closure comes in.
I know you are very busy but as you have close contact with these people you might know someone interested in putting some crews together.
I am busy with our own cleanup plans for BCRD on the Chilliwack Vedder River in September, Paddle down the Fraser in support of Wild Salmon, BC Senior games and some fishing to tackle this much needed work and it will get worse as the days go on.
Thanks for a response.
Chris
Hi Chris
I will mention it to the group.
The group is large but there are only 4 recreational fishers on it as the rest are DFO, MOE, F/N and the RCMP. Not likely that you will get any of those folks to come and help although some F/N might if they thought they had caused some of the mess. The rest get paid and are unlikely to help.
Frank
hanks Frank,
Some of the bar reached by boat only should receive attention as well. A lot of fishing line and hooks around which of course tangles with wildlife etc... I have been cleaning up Maple Leaf Bar but have some more stuff to take off on my next trip.
Maybe you could get the sockeye study group do do a cleanup on Grassy Bar on the last day. If you need garbage bags and pickup sticks I am sure the CVRCS could provide them. I know some at the sockeye study are getting paid so it would be a good chance to put a little back by cleaning it up for a couple of hours. I also think the River Manners group would be a good group to contact by e mail as looking after keeping the environment clean is just good manners too. The key of course is to find someone to head this up, if someone steps forward and they pick a date I will send out a plea for more people to join in. I am sure Jennifer at the Progress will give us a blurb too.
Thanks for working on this and lets hope someone will take this on other than the few like yourself that do these type of things time after time.
Cheers,
Chris
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Hi Chris, Could you please PM 2 locations to me too? I was not lucky in this fishing because they never on my hook .
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If possible to get some info on more quiet areas to try, my 9 yr old fishing nut son and I would be very grateful. We went out to peg leg with grandpa last week early am but with no boat had no luck in the 3 hrs that we all fished.
We would also like to give back and help with any cleanup initiatives if you would like to contact us.
Thanks,
Mat and Dad
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e mail sent with two locations to check out.
Does this mean there are actually 'undiscovered' locations from which to fish? I spent a whole weekend a few years back looking and all I found were no trepassing signs and around Hope a multitude of No Parking signs.
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Hi Chris, Could you please PM 2 locations to me too? I was not lucky in this fishing because they never on my hook .
Hey Chris why don't you just post where all your favorite flossing bars are? I'm sure there are hundreds on this forum that would appreciate that.... ;D
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i was out today. Fishing had slowed down in comparison to the weekend. It was still a bit of a crowd. Nice thing was, I saw a young girl no more than 8 years old picking up garbage. There are still some decent folks in amongst the dorks.
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i was out today. Fishing had slowed down in comparison to the weekend. It was still a bit of a crowd. Nice thing was, I saw a young girl no more than 8 years old picking up garbage. There are still some decent folks in amongst the dorks.
Good to see. PM's sent to the 2 posts above.
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Thanks Chris.
Please let me know of any organized cleanups and my son and I will join in.
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does anyone know if there are more commercial openings coming up?
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Ahhh yes,those fresh TBones that were carved live in the back rtoom at Superstore.
Cant get much fresh than that.
Once i seen one escape into the store.
Talk about a bull in a china shop. ;D ::)
Not sure if you have ever eaten T-bone steak from Superstore, but the quality of their beef is second only to Costco. As for freshness, you know as well as I do that salmon has only a fraction of the shelf life that beef has.
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does anyone know if there are more commercial openings coming up?
Commercial openings in Area 12, 13 and 20 as well as a 5 hour gillnet opening at the mouth of the Fraser in Area 29 today.
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gonna have to hit up the superstore after work today! haha
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Good luck if you are heading out this weekend. You'll need it.
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Were those pictures taken today Rodney?
I wonder how many fish those boats take in during a 3 or 5 hour opening and if it really has that big of an impact on the river fishing?
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I heard from the last 3 hour opening..around 80,000 fish were taken.
There was almost nothing coming upriver for a couple of days.
It is amazing how effective those boats are
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so...i know this is a fishing forum.
i'd love to go fishing, but the rivers are crammed with people, boats are taking up all the fish. I'd rather wait until the sockeye move through and the people go home. Thats when the real fishing starts and the shopping ends.
I'd rather just buy sockeye for now to save on the hassle and time. whats a decent price on sockeye?
where's a good place to go?
i guess i shouldn't buy from the people with signs on steveston highway in richmond?
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Head down to Steveston Village and buy them from the boats. $20/fish.
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unless Mission is closer to you then head down to the docks or wherever the natives are selling them. I think socks are going for $15 each now.
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I was going to take my son out to Chilliwack Friday morning very early am, do you think it would be a waste of time?
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From today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b1aGIVJZEw
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I heard from the last 3 hour opening..around 80,000 fish were taken.
There was almost nothing coming upriver for a couple of days.
It is amazing how effective those boats are
The PSC website is saying that roughly 200,000 fish a day are going under the Mission Bridge, so if 80,000 were taken out in 3 hours, that shouldn't impact the fishery as much as you say it does.
In regards to how effective they are..... yeah when your allowed a 100 fathom net, it only takes a few boats to put a wall in front of the river.
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friday should be good, sat or sunday might be slower. the weekend gong show should be something worth avoiding. lots of the late run are not coming up the river yet holding in the straits.
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Thanks for the reply. We'll give it a shot.....my son will be thrilled to get out for another try at catching his 1st sockeye.
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Might take some time but you will get your fish......
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Head down to Steveston Village and buy them from the boats. $20/fish.
Ha!...I grew up in Steveston. Typically the dock prices are for tourists, so they're jacked up a bit.
Then again, I live in Delta now so I can't confirm that anymore.
Quick question...
If flossing isn't an option (i'd like to avoid it) for fishing the Fraser when the water is low, what other fishing styles are there really available (excluding bar fishing). I know float fishing is an option, but when the water is so low, is it really float fishing? Or should i find a deeper pool?
Sorry if this starts the typical "to floss or not to floss" discussion.
thanks
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$20/sockeye salmon is expensive?
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$20/sockeye salmon is expensive?
$20 a sockeye is pretty good in my books, tend to see them hovering at $30 in shops or fishmongers
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$20/sockeye salmon is expensive?
Well, thats what i was told by a friend. And growing up in Steveston that was the rule of thumb. In the late 70's and early 80's it wasn't so. Then Steveston got busy/commercial and the dock prices started to change.
Hey...I put the question out there. I know this isn't a "shopping" forum...does such a thing exist? haha
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Where can you find an authorized commercial sale that has sockeye salmon cheaper than $20/fish?
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Well, thats what i was told by a friend. And growing up in Steveston that was the rule of thumb. In the late 70's and early 80's it wasn't so. Then Steveston got busy/commercial and the dock prices started to change.
Hey...I put the question out there. I know this isn't a "shopping" forum...does such a thing exist? haha
Well I know some individuals who buy fish from certain native bands on the reservation from anywhere around $10-$15. I've personally never done it, a former classmate who's then boyfriend lived on reserve land was taking orders for salmon from half the class
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Where can you find an authorized commercial sale that has sockeye salmon cheaper than $20/fish?
Apparently there were going for $12-$15 at Stupidstore a week ago.
Just saw this on another forum:
If you or someone you know is still looking for a good buy on fresh sockeye, here is something I saw on CL this afternoon. I bet they will be there for more than just today.
$ 3/ pound for fresh wild salmon from a fishery that is Marine Stewardship Certified .
We will be fishing on Aug 18 and will have fish available for public sale after 4 PM
Available from any one of the 4 licensed commercial gillnetters moored at the Fishermen’s wharf in Sapperton Landing Park / New Westminister
At foot of Cumberland Street off Columbia Street near the intersection of Brunette St. Licensed commercial fishermen thank you for your support
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+1 on the stupid store, we bought 1 about 2 weeks ago for $13 !
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#13 is pretty good. Personally I'd still buy from the dock instead of through a commercial vendor to get the freshest fish available.
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a week ago i went to chong lee market and they got real nice sockeye jacks 1.99$pound they were the real thing bought two the first time , after the bbq went there the next day and bought another 8
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I don't get it. If you want sockeye, go out and get em with a pole. A fish is a fish. Fill your freezer, there is a lot of them. I don't understand why a net caught fish is ok to eat, but not a flossed fish. I mean you are only taking 2 fish home a day. And the good Lord made them tasty for a reason. Those of you against flossing sockeye, I have to ask, do you know how to floss a fish? Or is it just taboo for you?
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At what point did I suggest that it would be more ethical to purchase a net caught fish than catching one? There's no incentive for me to drive two hours each way from Steveston, attempt to catch two fish among the crowd in the heat when I can walk down to the pier and spend the same amount of money, if not less, to buy two freshly caught fish at the river mouth.
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I don't get it. If you want sockeye, go out and get em with a pole. A fish is a fish. Fill your freezer, there is a lot of them. I don't understand why a net caught fish is ok to eat, but not a flossed fish. I mean you are only taking 2 fish home a day. And the good Lord made them tasty for a reason. Those of you against flossing sockeye, I have to ask, do you know how to floss a fish? Or is it just taboo for you?
Some just like to have some one else do their dirty work for them , there by keeping their conscience clean . Kinda like buying stolen stuff off a crook cause your not a thief yourself .
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At what point did I suggest that it would be more ethical to purchase a net caught fish than catching one?
I don't think he specifically meant you , I read it as a more generalized statement myself . Not hard to understand with years of 'holier-than thou' condescending posts on various boards about flossing for socks and 'meat fisher' slurs .
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If flossing isn't an option (i'd like to avoid it) for fishing the Fraser when the water is low,
Sorry if this starts the typical "to floss or not to floss" discussion.
...or maybe he was referring to this post...
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I just don't like flossing because 9 times out of 10 i snag a fish and that gets old really quick.
I've come to the conclusion that fishing for sockeye is kinda pointless because of the crowds. I've been verbally abused and threatened physically on the river and its just not my idea of a good time while fishing.
And if you ask me, its not really fishing at that point, its shopping.
I'm not trying to be holier than thou and if you want to floss, go right ahead. Whatever floats your boat.
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It's a matter of choice and how far you have to travel to the flossing grounds: I live in Steveston so I choose between: 2 fresh ocean-caught fish from the Steveston docks: $40-48.00... or $35.00 from one of the many ceremonial fish sale trucks; versus $30-40 for gas, 4 hours driving time on a good day with no accidents, $20.00 for bettys, hooks, etc. left in snags, stress from ridiculous traffic volume, precision sequence casting necessary when fishing 3 ft. from a guy on either side of you, unless you don't mind being screamed and sworn at in several different languages ....not to mention lunch, drinks and $5.00 for ice.....or you can make one of those rock circles to pre-cook your fish for a few hours in the boiling heat. Also the fish you snag in the Chilliwack-Hope area in my opinion do not compare in quality to what you see for sale on the dock, (and you can pick the ones you want).....but to each his own.....There, you can have my spot in the crowd.
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Gas to my favourite Upper Fraser bar and back: $30
Terminal Tackle: $10
Ice, food, and beverages for the day for wife and myself: 30$
Spending a sunny day on the river with my wife and bringing home 4 splendid sockeye on ice: priceless
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Blah blah blah blah blah.......
Fraser River gets one good run in every four years and all people do is complain about the prices and why they aren't cheaper then beef........
Get out, enjoy it while it last's. Have fun deciding between Alaskan and farmed salmon next year.
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Gas to my favourite Upper Fraser bar and back: $30
Terminal Tackle: $10
Ice, food, and beverages for the day for wife and myself: 30$
Spending a sunny day on the river with my wife and bringing home 4 splendid sockeye on ice: priceless
Spending time at home with your wife is priceless too. ;D ;D ;D
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Just got back from shopping for my Thompson River trip, sox at Super Store 20 to 25 dollars.
I never buy fish, if I cannot catch them its grouse, venison, duck or geese, gosh I guess shooting them is like flossing fish in a barrel with a long leader. ;D ;D ;D
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Actually shooting with gun would be like flossing with 20 ft leader. Archery would be floating short leader. ;D ;D
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I prefer sling shot myself. ;D
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Bunch of barbarians. Why can't you all just be civilized and go to a Chinese restaurant when you want to eat meat?
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Rodney - you funny! :D
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Bunch of barbarians. Why can't you all just be civilized and go to a Chinese restaurant when you want to eat meat?
I hate cat meat. :o ;D
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yes, let them complain as much as they want.
what about banning using hooks?? that would be more "ethical."
YES,..it is priceless.
enjoy it as much as it last.
Cheers.
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JUST FLOSS WITH CARE
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the only flossing i like to see is the butt kind on the beach
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I've never considered flossing for Sockeye as 'fishing'
Spending a day flyfishing for Rainbows and big Bulls on the Skagit...now that's fishing.
For me, Sockeye Flossing is a harvest and nothing more. I go out...catch my 2 fish and go home. I've bonked 14 so far this year, and have no intentions of stopping anytime soon.
But for me to say that I'm out 'fishing'.....that would be lie. I'm straight out snagging the fish in the mouth....period.
Our family eats salmon like we drink water and I can't afford to buy them. 14 fish = at least $250. My salmon tag plus tackle plus gas this season has run me about $30 max....being that I live in Chilliwack.
There is nothing wrong with flossing (harvesting) some Sockeye but please......don't try to convince me or anyone that you're out there 'fishing'.
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yeah, thats why its called shopping
and there is nothing wrong with it
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This is the meaning of fishing.
1. To attempt to catch fish; to be employed in taking fish, by any means, as by angling or drawing a net. [1913 Webster]
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tell yourself that when you look down river both ways and its shoulder to shoulder as far as the eye can see.
seriously tho, i agree with you. It IS fishing.
At what point does it NOT become fishing? How many casts? What type of lures? What method? What time of year?
For me, flossing the river is not fun and i don't feel good about myself when 90% of the time the hook is in the fish's back fin. Then again, thats my opinion and its a free country. I'm not telling anyone else to do this or do that.
what bothers me is the complete lack of respect for mother nature and all the good things she provides. Now we can get in a debate about me driving my truck and burning fossil fuels to go out in to nature and enjoy it. Thats not really my point.
Dare I say then that most people that are flossing really couldn't care too much about the ethics of fishing? And the give and take relationship we should have with nature? It seems to me its just a big free for all of lets see how much we can take and hope that there is enough next year and the next?
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Perhaps I should have used the term 'sportsfishing'.
Sportsfishing means the fish willingly bites the offering.
Therefore flossing is not fishing.
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pnkrock
i dont know where you are fishing but 90% in the back fin. i have never hooked a sock in the back fin. the odd one in the belly or tail maybe 1 out of 15-20. i have seen
lots hooked like that in the vedder but they were pinks.
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Perhaps I should have used the term 'sportsfishing'.
Sportsfishing means the fish willingly bites the offering.
Therefore flossing is not fishing.
I beg to differ.
Fishing with a harpoon or spear is very sporty and the fish isn't a willful participant. Try diving 20-30 feet deep and shooting a moving fish! HArdly anything is sportier than that. Unfortunately, it is not allowed in BC. :'(
Whether the fish bites the offering or not does not determine the sportiness.
Sportfishing (also known as recreational fishing) is fishing for pleasure (or competition).
If you are flossing sockeye and it gives you pleasure, or you are competing with your buddy who will hook more fish in a shorter time frame, you are sportfishing.
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Agreed.
And sportfish to your hearts content. But again...at some point it just goes from sportfishing to shopping. And i'd much rather drive 10min. to the local store and pay a little extra for my fish.
Maybe i suck at flossing? Is that possible?
Again, its not really the flossing i'm concerned about. I'm not that crazy about it myself, but if people wanna do it, thats fine.
Hell, if dynamite was legal i'd use it. Imagine that while you're diving...what a hoot. I'd have a stick of dynamite strapped to a can of roe and watch all the fish come in for miles and then blow 'em to bits.
In that case, why are nets not legal? We should just do that because thats what its really for. when the sockeye run is done, you'll see the crowds dissapear and thats when the true sportfishers stick around. The people who love it for what it is. Not just a big meat draw.
At some point you gotta draw the line.
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Have to say yes KroK.
Especially if your hooking 90% by the tail.
Try changing something up with your gear, casting method, or body of water.
If you still don't feel right about any aspect of the fishery, then i'd say, don't do it!
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Stopped at a couple of walk in bars on the way to the Thompson River and sockeye were being beached everywhere, a couple of places I had not heard of before :-X Cleaned up the beach and a nice cache of tins and bottles and picked some blackberries in the rain. :o
I also was surprised to see some top rods that fish the Chilliwack Vedder and complain every year about the TOW ing that goes on there but they were into it big time today on the Fraser today, I guess they will not be able to complain next year as you cannot have it both ways, no matter how you want to twist it.
nTime to head to the Thompson as I will be landing my first chinook jack in a little over an hour ;D and that's fishing in sage brush country away from the sockeye mania many miles away. ;D ;D ;D
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I beg to differ.
Fishing with a harpoon or spear is very sporty and the fish isn't a willful participant. Try diving 20-30 feet deep and shooting a moving fish! HArdly anything is sportier than that. Unfortunately, it is not allowed in BC. :'(
Whether the fish bites the offering or not does not determine the sportiness.
Sportfishing (also known as recreational fishing) is fishing for pleasure (or competition).
If you are flossing sockeye and it gives you pleasure, or you are competing with your buddy who will hook more fish in a shorter time frame, you are sportfishing.
I call that hunting..
Anyways....I have no problem with either that or flossing as I have stated that I have already bonked 14 'flossed' sockeye this year....but again....I don't consider what I did to be 'sportsfishing'
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The only time I've foul hooked a sockeye was when I was bar fishing, caught him in the back when hauling in my gear at the end of the day.
Can't say I've ever foul hooked a sockeye in all the times I've been out bottom bouncing.
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It's a matter of choice and how far you have to travel to the flossing grounds: I live in Steveston so I choose between: 2 fresh ocean-caught fish from the Steveston docks: $40-48.00... or $35.00 from one of the many ceremonial fish sale trucks; versus $30-40 for gas, 4 hours driving time on a good day with no accidents, $20.00 for bettys, hooks, etc. left in snags, stress from ridiculous traffic volume, precision sequence casting necessary when fishing 3 ft. from a guy on either side of you, unless you don't mind being screamed and sworn at in several different languages ....not to mention lunch, drinks and $5.00 for ice.....or you can make one of those rock circles to pre-cook your fish for a few hours in the boiling heat. Also the fish you snag in the Chilliwack-Hope area in my opinion do not compare in quality to what you see for sale on the dock, (and you can pick the ones you want).....but to each his own.....There, you can have my spot in the crowd.
Oh the joys of living in Richmond . I feel for you .
Let's see , $10 gas + one hook+one leader- 50 cents + one home made weight =3 trips out = 6 sockeye . Just over $1 per sock , how can you go wrong . I should qualify that one weight though , I've only used one of my own weights so far, still got 4 I pulled off the bottom I haven't used yet , so really on the gear part , I'm still in the Black . Haven't fished yet with more than 5 guys near me either . ;D
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Oh the joys of living in Richmond . I feel for you .
Let's see , $10 gas + one hook+one leader- 50 cents + one home made weight =3 trips out = 6 sockeye . Just over $1 per sock , how can you go wrong . I should qualify that one weight though , I've only used one of my own weights so far, still got 4 I pulled off the bottom I haven't used yet , so really on the gear part , I'm still in the Black . Haven't fished yet with more than 5 guys near me either . ;D
So where are you fishing, Penn? ;D
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Stopped at a couple of walk in bars on the way to the Thompson River and sockeye were being beached everywhere, a couple of places I had not heard of before :-X Cleaned up the beach and a nice cache of tins and bottles and picked some blackberries in the rain. :o
I also was surprised to see some top rods that fish the Chilliwack Vedder and complain every year about the TOW ing that goes on there but they were into it big time today on the Fraser today, I guess they will not be able to complain next year as you cannot have it both ways, no matter how you want to twist it.
nTime to head to the Thompson as I will be landing my first chinook jack in a little over an hour ;D and that's fishing in sage brush country away from the sockeye mania many miles away. ;D ;D ;D
I envy you Chris, I was up on the Thompson over the August long weekend but with so many closures until the end of the month and lack of river knowledge I left my drift rod packed up the entire time. however I did enjoy catching a few rainbows.
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I also was surprised to see some top rods that fish the Chilliwack Vedder and complain every year about the TOW ing that goes on there but they were into it big time today on the Fraser today, I guess they will not be able to complain next year as you cannot have it both ways, no matter how you want to twist it.
The hypocrisy of some people is mind-boggling. I have also seen a couple of the so-called anti-flossers in full swing on the river this year. I guess their mantra of "Flossing is snagging, sportsmen don't snag" doesn't apply when the sockeye are open for retention. ::)
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After reading some explanation of fishing. Should we teach our next generations to learn this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1jjNxJlnv0
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After reading some explanation of fishing. Should we teach our next generations to learn this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1jjNxJlnv0
That would be illegal in BC.... :o
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lol that is too funny.. nice one
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lots of fish is true...but I hope they close it soon.
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That would be illegal in BC.... :o
Really?.....the fishing or the rocket launcher? ::)
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lots of fish is true...but I hope they close it soon.
I imagine the Fraser will close to salmon fishing after the labour day long weekend as usual
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I imagine the Fraser will close to salmon fishing after the labour day long weekend as usual
If they keep it open till the long weekend that will be great
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The run is over 20 million fish of which 14 million are late summer most of them are still outside the river so no need to close anything. the early runs are at the spawning grouds and are in good condition,all is well for this year.