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[IronNoggin]

To just chalk it IronNoggin's post to "whataboutism" does it a disservice.

Uhuh.... But that is exactly what many here prefer to see & do.
Not at all surprised who followed that up as quickly as possible.

If anyone actually believes the article I posted to be simply "whataboutism", I strongly suggest you contact the Author. Bob Hooton doesn't hide behind a forum handle, and does indeed post contact information in the articles he posts (as he did again in the one cited above). I would be quite interested in the response provided to such criticism from a man who was a practicing and effective Registered Professional Biologist in this province when many of the critics here were struggling out of diapers.

As for the impacts upon the lodges - as most with open eyes understand, what the Haida are doing in this case is a direct and overt action to shut down Queen Charlotte Lodge (among others) with the blanket support of both the Feds and the Province.

Nog

[RalphH]

Very good IN - from whataboutism to diversion

http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/take-action/how-to-spot-10-classic-diversionary-tactics--and-not-get-diverted-20160526-gp4lhp.html

topped with the fallacy of the deferral to authority - we should listen to Mr Hooton because he is [insert authority or expertise credentials] a "REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL BIOLOGIST" [trumpet fanfare sounds and we all bow] so his word has more weight than ours and we need to shut up and listen!

Then of course you praise him for using his real name and not a forum handle but use a handle "a forum handle" yourself. I suppose Hooton's name is actually worth something whereas for the rest of us....

One thing that occurs to me is that the Bulkey River situation involves another FN group not the Haida.

Personally I'd like to know a little bit about this proposal before I play Chicken Little and proclaim the sky is falling.  Oppostion to c&r is not new and it is not restricted to FN groups. Quite a number of anglers have voiced concerns about it for decades. In a lot of respects the practice has been abused by some guides and other parts of the Sport Fishing industry and could stand some scrutiny and re-thinking.

Uhuh.... But that is exactly what many here prefer to see & do.
Not at all surprised who followed that up as quickly as possible.

If anyone actually believes the article I posted to be simply "whataboutism", I strongly suggest you contact the Author. Bob Hooton doesn't hide behind a forum handle, and does indeed post contact information in the articles he posts (as he did again in the one cited above). I would be quite interested in the response provided to such criticism from a man who was a practicing and effective Registered Professional Biologist in this province when many of the critics here were struggling out of diapers.

As for the impacts upon the lodges - as most with open eyes understand, what the Haida are doing in this case is a direct and overt action to shut down Queen Charlotte Lodge (among others) with the blanket support of both the Feds and the Province.

Nog

[wildmanyeah]

Personally i prefer to limit out and head home as soon a possible. Having a beer and cleaning fish is as much or more of a ritual for me then the fishing itself.

[wildmanyeah]

Personally I'd like to know a little bit about this proposal before I play Chicken Little and proclaim the sky is falling.  Oppostion to c&r is not new and it is not restricted to FN groups. Quite a number of anglers have voiced concerns about it for decades. In a lot of respects the practice has been abused by some guides and other parts of the Sport Fishing industry and could stand some scrutiny and re-thinking.

fair enough

[IronNoggin]

Exactly the answer I expected from you Ralphie Ol' Chap.
Keep up the "good" work Ol' Boy. 

https://www.haidanation.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Statement-From-HCC-July-21-2020.pdf

Nog

[RalphH]

Exactly the answer I expected from you Ralphie Ol' Chap.
Keep up the "good" work Ol' Boy. 

https://www.haidanation.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Statement-From-HCC-July-21-2020.pdf

Nog

next comes the ridicule. Predictable!

Is it QCL that was consistently in the news for allowing visitors to catch more than their legal bag limit among other things? The material in this link of course has nothing to do with the Code of Ethics discussion. Just another diversion

[wildmanyeah]

The crux of the issue of why First Nations are largely against C@R is they see it as a way of circumventing the allocation policy.

If they took it to court i bet they win.

[wildmanyeah]

The material in this link of course has nothing to do with the Code of Ethics discussion.

You don't think the Code of Ethics is a response for the way lodges are operating in the region? That the two are mutually exclusive?

What do you make of this statement?

"QCL has shown disregard for any fishing regulation or conservation measures, racking up more infractions
than any other operation. The ongoing carnage and waste by way of “catch and release” is taking its toll,
not only on every species of salmon, but also halibut and rock cod."

[RalphH]

Frankly it's not hard to understand why they are pissed with QCL

https://www.haidagwaiiobserver.com/local-news/queen-charlotte-lodge-fined-47500-for-oversized-halibut/

The luxury fishing resort at Naden Harbour will pay $47,500 after a guided guest kept an oversized halibut that the resort failed to track.

https://www.haidagwaiiobserver.com/news/queen-charlotte-lodge-to-pay-35000-for-illegal-fishing/

From the QCL freezers, officers seized about 750 lbs. of mishandled or mislabeled fish: 38 halibut, 28 chinook, 119 coho, six pink salmon, and a bag with 28 halibut filets.

[wildmanyeah]

Frankly it's not hard to understand why they are pissed with QCL

https://www.haidagwaiiobserver.com/local-news/queen-charlotte-lodge-fined-47500-for-oversized-halibut/

https://www.haidagwaiiobserver.com/news/queen-charlotte-lodge-to-pay-35000-for-illegal-fishing/

That coverest the first part of this statement ""QCL has shown disregard for any fishing regulation or conservation measures, racking up more infractions
than any other operation. The ongoing carnage and waste by way of “catch and release” is taking its toll,
not only on every species of salmon, but also halibut and rock cod.""

but it does not explain the latter half of the statement not does it explain how Catch and Release has anything to do with Covid. They still felt the need tho to add it to there covid and GCL press release.

[RalphH]

To just chalk it IronNoggin's post to "whataboutism" does it a disservice.

As I see it, the problem is Hooten's blog rant is just a collection of "old white guy" grievances with FN fishing rights, practice and access. None of them are related to what the Haida do or are proposing. By-catch waste, interception of non-target  species and high mortality happens within all sectors.

[Wiseguy]

I’m getting tired of your rants Ralph. IMO you come across as a “know it all” who always has to have the “last say”. You make multiple comments on every single thread on this forum. I suggest less time on the keyboard and more time out fishing. I won’t wait for your reply as I’m going out fishing now. Tight lines.

[RalphH]

I’m getting tired of your rants Ralph. IMO you come across as a “know it all” who always has to have the “last say”. You make multiple comments on every single thread on this forum. I suggest less time on the keyboard and more time out fishing. I won’t wait for your reply as I’m going out fishing now. Tight lines.

Well don't read them then. There is lots of stuff on the web I choose not to read.

Just follow the steps below and put me on your ignore list:

1. Just below the Fishing with Rod Logo in the top right below where it say " Hello Wiseguy" is a menu:

HOME HELP SEARCH PROFILE....etc

2 you'll get a new screen with a menu box on the Upper Left:

Modify Profile -> ->

the last selection is Buddies/Ignore List.

Click that

3) you get a new screen with the Modify Profile Menu Box  in the same place

to the right you can choose the Edit Buddy Tab (the default) and a Edit Ignore List

click Edit Ignore

4) There will be an Add to Ignore List with an input list below named "Member"

5) type RalphH in the box and hit enter or return.

6) you'll never have to read my horrid posts again

Easy Peasy eh?

have fun

[wildmanyeah]

The issue with the ignore list is that it still shows there is a post.  I have tried to use it but i find myself still clicking to see what they said or what they said that someone is responding too.

I don't find it to be that effective if you want to ignore someone.

[RalphH]

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re: the Ignore user list... sometimes that's true sometimes not. Depends on will power. Choosing to read a post by someone on your ignore list probably means you should not have ignored them in the first place.