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Fisherbob

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Re: The Fight to Save Wild Salmon
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2019, 08:38:45 AM »

Misleading???? Alrighty then, lots more to come LOL
http://www.farmfreshsalmon.org/bcsfa-imbalanced-story-misleads-public

  This one is a bit old but realy, what has changed in the US funded propaganda arena?
Patrick Moore.
http://ecosense.me/2017/01/10/issues-173/

https://seawestnews.com/us-agency-alerts-public-lies-anti-fish-farm-activists/

http://greenspiritstrategies.com/aquaculture-committee/

 There is a lot more out in google land Ralph. Check them out with a click or two :)

https://www.nanaimobulletin.com/opinion/letter-to-the-editor-fish-farming-done-responsibly/

https://seawestnews.com/claims-by-anti-fish-activist-not-true-says-minister/

Personally I do not think the anti salmon farming circus wants to see salmon farming gone Ralph. Where would their funding come from?

https://fairquestions.typepad.com/files/follow-the-money-2.pdf
 
  At best, the funding seems to bring some great entertainment with it Ralph. :)

http://www.farmfreshsalmon.org/who-invited-crazy-alexandra-morton
   
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Re: The Fight to Save Wild Salmon
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2019, 10:21:37 AM »

you can argue with yourself as you have missed the point of that comment. Links cannot correct your phrasing.

I offered the link as I believed some folks concerned about the future of wild salmon would like to watch the video. I did not expect these people to agree with every aspect of it. We can all think for ourselves. I wasn't looking for a debate on open ocean salmon farming. If asked I will acknowledge there is no definitive proof they pose serious harm to wild salmon. Neither will I say there is no evidence of harm.
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Re: The Fight to Save Wild Salmon
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2019, 11:09:00 AM »

I liked the video, I think it did a great job at show the damage of hatcheries and showing that they in some cases are worse than fish farms.

They also did a great job in pointing out the damage urbanization has done and how hatcheries have become the stop gap.

Although i disagree with some of it i found myself agreeing with a lot of it.

the point of the video

Hatcheries = fish farms

Someone of us have been making that comparison for years and have been ridiculed for it.

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Re: The Fight to Save Wild Salmon
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2019, 12:00:46 PM »

https://www.intrafish.com/aquaculture/1761188/aquaculture-company-launches-counter-campaign-against-patagonia-artifishal-documentary
 
Has anyone heard anymore info on this catastrophic escape?
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/atlantic-salmon-caught-in-skagit-8-months-after-escape-from-pen-had-eaten-a-fish/

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/nearly-50-escaped-atlantic-salmon-caught-in-b-c-waters
““Many thousands of (Atlantic salmon) have been released in an attempt to establish them in B.C. for commercial and sport-fishing purposes and there is no evidence that any of those efforts ever took,” he said. “Atlantic salmon, for a variety of reasons, have difficulty establishing themselves in B.C. rivers.”
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Re: The Fight to Save Wild Salmon
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2019, 12:58:57 PM »

https://www.patagoniaprovisions.com/pages/salmon

 
https://civileats.com/2015/03/18/can-patagonias-new-food-line-revolutionize-the-salmon-industry/

  It is a heart touching documentary.
Perhaps Patagonia should practice what they preach, leave the salmon alone and not put salmon on the world market. Seems to me now that it is just a self promoting Wild advertisement.
          “Strange as it may sound, we believe harvesting and eating wild salmon in the right numbers, from the right places, can actually help save them.  Thank you for joining us.”
   Did Patagonia take too many from the Situk last year? Looks like their business model is already failing an not so sustainable.
 https://www.patagonia.com.au/collections/salmon
https://www.doi.gov/subsistence/news/general/situk-river-close-harvest-sockeye-salmon

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Re: The Fight to Save Wild Salmon
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2019, 08:48:25 AM »

I liked the video, I think it did a great job at show the damage of hatcheries and showing that they in some cases are worse than fish farms.

They also did a great job in pointing out the damage urbanization has done and how hatcheries have become the stop gap.

Although i disagree with some of it i found myself agreeing with a lot of it.

the point of the video

Hatcheries = fish farms

Someone of us have been making that comparison for years and have been ridiculed for it.

Hatcheries were portrayed in a somewhat simplified manner as they only featured massive factory hatcheries. The early scenes where smolts were dumped directly into San Francisco Bay to be devoured by pelicans were a little disturbing.

There was no mention of hatcheries only using wild fish for brood or community hatcheries which invariably are small operations.

There was little mention of salmon farms here and none in BC. Neither was there much mention of salmon ranching operations though the overall addition of 5 billion+ artificially produced salmon to the North Pacific. Many researchers feel the capacity of the ocean is being exceeded.

Salmon farms in Europe have caused massive damage to many salmon and sea trout stocks. Most sea trout stocks in parts of Scotland and Ireland have all but been wiped out by sea lice infestation directly caused by salmon farming.  Escaped farmed salmon are fertile and spawn with wild fish. Some rivers in Norway have been so infested with parasites and disease transferred from farm salmon they had to be sterilized of all life & fish etc reintroduced. Exotic salmonid species from salmon farming or ranching operations have colonized rivers in Europe, Nova Scotia and South America.

http://www.fao.org/3/a-aj272e.pdf

https://www.reabic.net/journals/mbi/2018/1/MBI_2018_Sandodden_etal.pdf

I think we've been lucky in BC. One reason we have been lucky is the pressure various groups have put on Government and the salmon farming industry to act responsibly. In my view the industry have not been responsible corporate citizens. I don't think they can change given their deeply ingrained corporate culture. I hope BC follows the path Washington state has taken and proceeds to move operations out of local ocean waters to closed facilities.
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Re: The Fight to Save Wild Salmon
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2019, 09:29:27 AM »

C'mon Ralph, if your'e going to talk salmon farming at least get your facts straight.  Salmon farms didn't introduce parasites to Norways wild salmon ... managers did by transplanting Baltic salmon infected with Gyrodactylus Salaris.  Norwegian salmon had no natural defences and nearly 40 rivers were impacted.

Washington State has not outlawed net pen salmon, they will be switching over to rearing rainbow trout in those same pens.

Here in BC we have our own version of sea trout, Cutthroat trout. I have never heard any reports of sea lice affecting them, have you?

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Re: The Fight to Save Wild Salmon
« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2019, 10:09:58 AM »

patagonia is deeply ingrained in the ENGO activist scene.

IMO this video shows their hand. Hatcheries = fish farms

Get rid of the fish farms and get rid of the hatcheries.

I recently took a tour of one of our community hatcheries. The hatchery manager said all the chum in the system are brother and sister clones. 

I am not arguing for or against hatcheries but merely noting that its not hard for these ENGO's to build a case against them.
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Re: The Fight to Save Wild Salmon
« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2019, 10:24:49 AM »

Sea trout in Europe are anadromous brown trout  Dave, genus Salmo.

Sea run Cutthroat and Steelhead are both anadromous , genus Onchornychus, distantly related to brown trout, more closely related to Pacific Salmon.

There is an on going study of sea lice and other skin parasite infection of sea run cutthroat in Washingston state. They accept submission of photos of  infected cutthroat from other states and BC. Many anglers from Oregon to Alaska are reporting a higher incidence of such parasites on sea run cutthroat

The Gyrodactylus parasite that all but wiped out Salmon from the Rauma (and others) watershed were sourced from a hatchery. There is no 'come on' about this. My statement was absolutely accurate as written.

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patagonia is deeply ingrained in the ENGO activist scene.

good for them! Patagonia makes an honest attempt at good corporate citizenship. We need more and more diverse examples of this type of corporate activism.
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Re: The Fight to Save Wild Salmon
« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2019, 10:47:14 AM »


Washington State has not outlawed net pen salmon, they will be switching over to rearing rainbow trout in those same pens.



according to the Seattle Times an amendment to  to allow open pen farming of native species was defeated along with 29 other proposed amendments.

All Cooke Seafood pen leases expire in 2022 and will not be renewed (NPR). If there are no existing leases for net pens then it will be impossible to rear any fish in such a facility.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2018/03/26/597019406/after-three-decades-washington-state-bans-atlantic-salmon-farms

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/bill-to-phase-out-atlantic-salmon-farming-in-washington-state-nears-deadline/
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Re: The Fight to Save Wild Salmon
« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2019, 10:57:09 AM »

last i read it was still open for consultation

Canadian firm's steelhead trout farm plan under the microscope after salmon escapes

https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/canadian-firm-s-steelhead-trout-farm-plan-under-the-microscope-after-salmon-escapes-1.4668081.

"Cooke must cease raising Atlantic salmon here in 2022. The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) last month proposed to issue a five-year aquaculture permit to Cooke for steelhead. The proposal is out for public comment through Nov. 22."
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Re: The Fight to Save Wild Salmon
« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2019, 11:12:25 AM »

Sea trout in Europe are anadromous brown trout  Dave, genus Salmo.

Sea run Cutthroat and Steelhead are both anadromous , genus Onchornychus, distantly related to brown trout, more closely related to Pacific Salmon.

There is an on going study of sea lice and other skin parasite infection of sea run cutthroat in Washingston state. They accept submission of photos of  infected cutthroat from other states and BC. Many anglers from Oregon to Alaska are reporting a higher incidence of such parasites on sea run cutthroat
Thanks Ralph, I know the genus of both. I asked if you knew of sea lice problems with sea run cutties ... apparently you do ... any links?
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Re: The Fight to Save Wild Salmon
« Reply #28 on: November 03, 2019, 03:47:11 PM »

Patagonia has always had interesting marketing campaigns like the time they had the "don't buy this jacket" ad.
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