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Re: Salmon Feedlots using night lights to attract wild fish?
« Reply #30 on: August 02, 2012, 10:41:54 AM »
I was wondering a question to the biologists on here, is there a way you could do a survey pertaining to wild salmon mortality,caused by fishfarms and then caused by sportsfishing, would be interesting to see those numbers.
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Re: Salmon Feedlots using night lights to attract wild fish?
« Reply #31 on: August 02, 2012, 10:46:17 AM »
Green lights. Ha ha. Your really throwing yourself out there on that one. From my perspective that photo looks lIke a photo of the sun from under water.  I work under water. Remember?
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Re: Salmon Feedlots using night lights to attract wild fish?
« Reply #32 on: August 02, 2012, 10:49:04 AM »
Bass,  do you remember the photo in fish porn of a steelhead' guts that was full of roe in roebags and rubber eggs, plastic worms and pealed shrimp?  It was from this year or last year.  

That should be enough evidence for af. He does not require much info before his mind is made up and he is presenting his opinion as fact.
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Re: Salmon Feedlots using night lights to attract wild fish?
« Reply #33 on: August 02, 2012, 11:03:00 AM »
Quote from: aquapaloosa on August 02, 2012, 10:38:23 AM
Ya,  I'll try to get something for you. In the meanwhile you keep on giviner' like you have the silver bullet.  You are practicing a common tactic here where you put out your information as fact, hard and fast, and when contradictory information arrives we start turning over rocks looking for you but you will be gone.  When you do turn up you will just start another topic and be unwilling to respond to the last one.
  There is not much of a discussion here with your used car sales approach. 

Complaining about my posts probably doesn't add any value to the discussion....
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Re: Salmon Feedlots using night lights to attract wild fish?
« Reply #34 on: August 02, 2012, 11:17:46 AM »
It's not a complaint. I am only pointing out how this discussion will go.  So go on, keep pumping up your unfounded opinion as fact.  You know time is running out on this one as it usually does for those who campaign using this style. I'm loving your hysterical approach on this one!  Ahhhhh!  Panic!!! 
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Re: Salmon Feedlots using night lights to attract wild fish?
« Reply #35 on: August 02, 2012, 12:48:07 PM »
I think your concerns may be more about the fact that the feedlot secrets are being revealed and you don't have an explanation that differs from what I have provided....
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Re: Salmon Feedlots using night lights to attract wild fish?
« Reply #36 on: August 02, 2012, 03:22:43 PM »
The benefit to the farms from using the lights doesn't come from feeding on the plankton or any of the other small fish species the study found were attracted to the light.

The benefit and the revenue accruing from it come from using photoperiod control to delay maturation and prolong the growth period supported by the regular day time feeding program. Once maturation begins, the fish divert the nutrients and energy obtained from the diet from growth to the formation of eggs or milt and no longer increase in size or value. As has been pointed out, though in manner that displays either broad ignorance of the subject or a deliberate intent to mislead, the farms can increase revenue appreciably by delaying the onset of maturation in order to extend the growth period.
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Re: Salmon Feedlots using night lights to attract wild fish?
« Reply #37 on: August 02, 2012, 03:56:51 PM »
When I was a youngster it was common practice to build huge bonfires on shore to attract lake trout into casting range. I do believe that the practice of using light to attract fish is illegal in Ontario now. Minnows came to the light of the bonfires too, age old method of getting fish to come close to shore. So I could see smart feedlot guys getting a bit of free forage for the fish this way. ;D
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Re: Salmon Feedlots using night lights to attract wild fish?
« Reply #38 on: August 02, 2012, 04:21:15 PM »
Just want to share that several years ago we had a chance to ocean fish in the one of the tropical countries. It was a guided trip at night. Before fishing, we would first hunt for bait fish. The captain would have lights on to attract the bait fish and squids. We had a pretty good result of catching the bait with this method.
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Re: Salmon Feedlots using night lights to attract wild fish?
« Reply #39 on: August 02, 2012, 07:22:05 PM »
Quote from: speycaster on August 02, 2012, 03:56:51 PM
When I was a youngster it was common practice to build huge bonfires on shore to attract lake trout into casting range. I do believe that the practice of using light to attract fish is illegal in Ontario now. Minnows came to the light of the bonfires too, age old method of getting fish to come close to shore. So I could see smart feedlot guys getting a bit of free forage for the fish this way. ;D

Quote from: Tee on August 02, 2012, 04:21:15 PM
Just want to share that several years ago we had a chance to ocean fish in the one of the tropical countries. It was a guided trip at night. Before fishing, we would first hunt for bait fish. The captain would have lights on to attract the bait fish and squids. We had a pretty good result of catching the bait with this method.

Thanks guys for posting. Unfortunately unless either of you are scientists and your report has been peer reviewed, according to the feedlot promoters, salmon are still not attracted to light.   ::)
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Re: Salmon Feedlots using night lights to attract wild fish?
« Reply #40 on: August 02, 2012, 07:31:43 PM »
Quote from: absolon on August 02, 2012, 03:22:43 PM
The benefit to the farms from using the lights doesn't come from feeding on the plankton or any of the other small fish species the study found were attracted to the light.

The benefit and the revenue accruing from it come from using photoperiod control to delay maturation and prolong the growth period supported by the regular day time feeding program. Once maturation begins, the fish divert the nutrients and energy obtained from the diet from growth to the formation of eggs or milt and no longer increase in size or value. As has been pointed out, though in manner that displays either broad ignorance of the subject or a deliberate intent to mislead, the farms can increase revenue appreciably by delaying the onset of maturation in order to extend the growth period.

Thanks for copying and pasting from the report......   Of course you omitted the side benefits of using lights which is the free food and who knows how many wild salmon smolts become part of their menu.
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Re: Salmon Feedlots using night lights to attract wild fish?
« Reply #41 on: August 02, 2012, 08:01:10 PM »
Hmmmm... I wonder if Enbridge gets its way how many wild salmon smolts will bite the big one with the first of many spills, could you answer that Always or is that gonna shut you up.
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Re: Salmon Feedlots using night lights to attract wild fish?
« Reply #42 on: August 02, 2012, 08:32:09 PM »
I am confused Bassanator you are for fish farms but against oil....

Funny as the only positive that farms seem to offer has been determined in past posts is profit and a few jobs ....oil makes profit big time and offers plenty of jobs ...what with all the messy cleanups.

Awww what the hell they are going to go extinct so we may as well get the profits before someone else does ...right

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Re: Salmon Feedlots using night lights to attract wild fish?
« Reply #43 on: August 02, 2012, 08:51:21 PM »
The farm boys bib cover alls are just bout down to their knees now. Kissing sow and making off track comments bout oil companies. Dem the same folks whod said that when yas don't have anytin concrete to the argument yous start wit the personal atttacks. Well looks like the weasel came home to roost. :)

AF your beating them down hard. ;D This pit lamping thing is a new low and give a bad name to fish farming. Hopefully things change for the better. They just need the right people to clean up on the industry. Again nothing wrong with fish farming just how it's being done on the cheap and now the what should be considered illegal pit lamping tricks. But like all things humans get involved in it takes some time to get things right.
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Re: Salmon Feedlots using night lights to attract wild fish?
« Reply #44 on: August 02, 2012, 09:22:22 PM »
Quote from: troutbreath on August 02, 2012, 08:51:21 PM
The farm boys bib cover alls are just bout down to their knees now. Kissing sow and making off track comments bout oil companies. Dem the same folks whod said that when yas don't have anytin concrete to the argument yous start wit the personal atttacks. Well looks like the weasel came home to roost. :)

AF your beating them down hard. ;D This pit lamping thing is a new low and give a bad name to fish farming. Hopefully things change for the better. They just need the right people to clean up on the industry. Again nothing wrong with fish farming just how it's being done on the cheap and now the what should be considered illegal pit lamping tricks. But like all things humans get involved in it takes some time to get things right.


We love ya TB. ;D ;D ;D
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