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chris gadsden

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Re: "There are safer places to get gravel"
« Reply #210 on: February 27, 2009, 03:25:48 PM »

3 of us from The Fraser River Gravel Stewardship Committee went out there at noon along with a Chilliwack Progress reporter and as river house reported the project was wrapping up. We were able to drive right to the bridge but the trucks have sure made a mess of the road as RH has been reporting.

We were met by a security person who asked us to leave but we asked to meet with an environmental monitor who we believed was suppose to be on site all the time. The security person as I understood it did not know if one was around but went to find out. When she returned she asked us to leave the area and to phone someone from the gravel company about the monitor. We said we would leave but we talked with the reporter for a bit and took some pictures.

I guess we took to long as I believe the security officer called someone and she came back to us and said to leave right now or she would have to phone the RCMP.  I felt like saying go ahead but as I want to go fishing this afternoon instead of spending some time at the station maybe being booked so we left.

I am sure when they saw me with my Maple Leaf hat and shirt on I could have got some jail time.  ;D Anyway we left and it gave the reporter another story to write but a photo of me being handcuffed may have looked good when all we are trying to do is protect our fish and their habitat.

Pictures of the gravel they have taken out and the bridge crossing when Rodney can post as I am going fishing now, its a lovely day in the Valley in some ways. :-\
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Re: "There are safer places to get gravel"
« Reply #211 on: February 28, 2009, 10:04:03 AM »







This sucks I have had some good days fishing Tranmers  >:(
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Re: "There are safer places to get gravel"
« Reply #212 on: February 28, 2009, 04:59:23 PM »

3 of us from The Fraser River Gravel Stewardship Committee went out there at noon along with a Chilliwack Progress reporter and as river house reported the project was wrapping up. We were able to drive right to the bridge but the trucks have sure made a mess of the road as RH has been reporting.

We were met by a security person who asked us to leave but we asked to meet with an environmental monitor who we believed was suppose to be on site all the time. The security person as I understood it did not know if one was around but went to find out. When she returned she asked us to leave the area and to phone someone from the gravel company about the monitor. We said we would leave but we talked with the reporter for a bit and took some pictures.

I guess we took to long as I believe the security officer called someone and she came back to us and said to leave right now or she would have to phone the RCMP.  I felt like saying go ahead but as I want to go fishing this afternoon instead of spending some time at the station maybe being booked so we left.

I am sure when they saw me with my Maple Leaf hat and shirt on I could have got some jail time.  ;D Anyway we left and it gave the reporter another story to write but a photo of me being handcuffed may have looked good when all we are trying to do is protect our fish and their habitat.

Pictures of the gravel they have taken out and the bridge crossing when Rodney can post as I am going fishing now, its a lovely day in the Valley in some ways. :-\

I enjoyed reading this post with what happened when you went down to the bridge to take some pictures and speak to them about the project.
Its incredible that you were threatened with them calling the Police, after all you are honest citizens concerned for the environment.
Honestly it reeks of another BC Government project that I recently witnessed in Tsawwassen with the High Voltage power lines being placed over 138 homes and the only High School, where concerned residents, parents, students and teachers who protested were threatened with Police action and in fact a few were arrested for civil contempt.
But thats just another story by Gordon Campbell.

Oh, and..GO LEAFS GO!

RH
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Re: "There are safer places to get gravel"
« Reply #213 on: February 28, 2009, 05:05:46 PM »

Why doesn't someone access the site from the water?  I'd do that, take some pics, and then send them to someone from outside BC.  There are plenty of extreme environment groups in Washington State that would gladly go up there to make some noise.  It could then turn into an international fiasco. 
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Re: "There are safer places to get gravel"
« Reply #214 on: February 28, 2009, 05:24:10 PM »

I think you can get down to the bridge here now that the project is over.
Then again the security guy may still be at his post because think the bridge is being dismantled.
Those big cement blocks are being taken out today.

Someone should be on this environmental officer and make sure that they have left the river in good condition.
ie: diesel, oil etc.

The municiplaity should have a hand in for independent testing, as they did in tsawwassen when residents suspected contaminents were left at sites by BC Hydro.
They were right and Hydro was forced to clean it up, based on the conditions of the Environmental ticket or be faced with a hefty fine.

They SURE aren't in a hurry to fix the broken road, so far.

My point is one word.

Accountablity.
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Re: "There are safer places to get gravel"
« Reply #215 on: March 01, 2009, 01:24:10 PM »

What's with security still at the site if they are finished with the gravel removal ? Ballam road is sure a mess.
Anyone have pictures to post of the extraction over at McDonald road? Access was made more difficult some time ago. Coincidence?
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Re: "There are safer places to get gravel"
« Reply #216 on: March 02, 2009, 02:42:04 PM »

What's with security still at the site if they are finished with the gravel removal ? Ballam road is sure a mess.
Anyone have pictures to post of the extraction over at McDonald road? Access was made more difficult some time ago. Coincidence?

Nope not a coincidence, the owner of the property around tranmers was quite annoyed with all the rubbish and bs going on there so he decided to chop some trees and close er down.
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chris gadsden

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Re: "There are safer places to get gravel"
« Reply #217 on: March 02, 2009, 03:57:57 PM »

What's with security still at the site if they are finished with the gravel removal ? Ballam road is sure a mess.
Anyone have pictures to post of the extraction over at McDonald road? Access was made more difficult some time ago. Coincidence?

Nope not a coincidence, the owner of the property around tranmers was quite annoyed with all the rubbish and bs going on there so he decided to chop some trees and close er down.
I wish he would have kept the gravel operations out too as they wiill be doing a lot of damage too.

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Re: "There are safer places to get gravel"
« Reply #218 on: March 02, 2009, 07:18:53 PM »

ya I do not know the down low on that one chris, but I think the power of the government out numbers the power of one land owner....
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Re: "There are safer places to get gravel"
« Reply #219 on: March 02, 2009, 07:59:28 PM »

ya I do not know the down low on that one chris, but I think the power of the government out numbers the power of one land owner....
I hope you will be able to come to the public meeting on the 19th so our scientific people can explain what we feel is the damage that is being caused to our fish and sturgeon stocks.

I have felt for a long time and I say it most likely too many times, the Fraser River is way way too big a water course to every take enough gravel out to make a different as far as a flood goes. There also was a consultant report published in a Vancouver Sun story that backed this statement. When you are out on the river just look how big and wide it is.

It has been the talk of a few that have convinced a lot of the general public that gravel removal will pervent a flood but I have yet to see the proof of that to date. 

I still think it is the demand for gravel is what drives all this which I will believe until someone gives me the engineered proof it is indeed for flood protection. In the meantime our fish and their habitat continue to be compromised, in a way I wish I was wrong.

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Re: "There are safer places to get gravel"
« Reply #220 on: March 02, 2009, 08:40:56 PM »

Thanks for the updates on the one property owner.

If its like the other Campbell project of high voltage lines in Tsawwassen, then they will get a court order and force the property owner to cooperate.

Is he denying access through his land? Thanks for the updates as you learn it.

Also I appreciate reading the posts with regards to your views on these types of projects and the potential damage to the environment.

We need to protect our natural resources from the BC Government, imo.
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Re: "There are safer places to get gravel"
« Reply #221 on: March 02, 2009, 11:35:01 PM »

Chilliwack Progress
Gravel critics asked to leave Fraser gravel bar
 
 
Text   By Robert Freeman - Chilliwack Progress


Published: March 02, 2009 6:00 PM

Members of the Fraser River Gravel Stewardship Committee and a Progress reporter were escorted off the site of a mining operation winding down at the Harrison gravel bar Friday.

The committee members wanted to talk to the environmental monitor, but he was apparently not on site - as required by the removal permit - or chose not to make himself available.

Frank Kwak, president of the Fraser River Salmon Society, said there were no signs or flag persons preventing public access to the site, and the lone security guard had no identification or phone numbers to call company officials or to speak with the monitor.

“When we were ordered off the gravel bar, or she’d call the RCMP, there were no signs, no flagmen, nothing to indicate we weren’t able to be there,” he said.

John Dyck, spokesman for the contractor, said he was unhappy the site was not secured because the company was still liable for public safety, even though the project is winding down.

“I don’t like the fact you were actually able to access the site,” he said. “We’re paying people to prevent that.”

But safety, not secrecy, is the reason behind requiring visits to the site to be pre-arranged, he added.

“We’re not trying to hide anything,” he said, and committee members should have known they needed to call before visiting the site.

Although Dyck agreed the environmental monitor “should have been” at the site, he backed up the actions of security staff because of an earlier incident involving members of the committee.

Kwak agreed some members had perhaps crossed the line earlier by going onto a bridge to a removal site without permission, “but I’m not that radical, not by a long shot.”

He agreed public safety was a “legitimate” reason to restrict access, but there was no work going on at the site Friday, and nothing to prevent anyone from going onto the gravel bar - until a woman with a security jacket but no other identification ordered the group off the property.

The committee, a coalition of environmental groups, has long been at loggerheads with the B.C. government and federal fisheries over the lack of “transparency” in the approval process to remove gravel from the Fraser River.

A public forum is being held March 19 at the Chilliwack Best Western to present the committee’s case for a more open approval process.

rfreeman@theprogress.com

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Re: "There are safer places to get gravel"
« Reply #222 on: March 03, 2009, 07:02:56 AM »

This is just the kind of abuse that makes people question just who is free in our land.I have been watching this rape and pillage routine for some time and it sickens me.If gravel removal could stop flooding why was it not the choice after the last great flood instead of a massive dyking system on the Fraser and all it's tributaries?Seems obvious that this just more of what I call "politicized science".It just wrong on so many levels.Much thanks to Chris for keeping us informed about this.Thanks to Rod as well for providing a place we can educate ourselves about what is going on.Chris is this meeting open to the public? If so I would Like to attend.
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Re: "There are safer places to get gravel"
« Reply #223 on: March 03, 2009, 07:04:59 AM »

Ooops I see that it is.See you there!
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Re: "There are safer places to get gravel"
« Reply #224 on: March 03, 2009, 08:57:43 AM »

Ooops I see that it is.See you there!
Great, I will send you a poster that you may wish to circulate.