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Re: Tug Capsizes At Gravel Excavation Site
« Reply #75 on: January 26, 2008, 03:46:18 PM »

Apparently Work Safe BC has shut the site down earlier in the week. Not sure when they will start it up again. Article in today's Chilliwack Progress re this incident
Yes, they were there as they should be when anything happens. However, no, they didn't shut down the work site. Business as usual.
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Re: "There are safer places to get gravel"
« Reply #76 on: January 27, 2008, 01:06:54 AM »

Letter from DFO to a number of ENGO's regarding their involvement on Spring Bar.

http://www.fishingwithrod.com/fishy_news/file/080127.pdf  (2 pages, pdf file, just over 600kb)
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Re: "There are safer places to get gravel"
« Reply #77 on: January 27, 2008, 11:46:17 AM »

Was on the news hour twice (Global) yesterday. At least some media is paying attention to the issue.
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Re: "There are safer places to get gravel"
« Reply #78 on: January 27, 2008, 12:22:07 PM »

Was on the news hour twice (Global) yesterday. At least some media is paying attention to the issue.
As I posted elsewhere, if you missed the coverage and wish to view the clip it is on Global TV's web page.

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Re: "There are safer places to get gravel"
« Reply #79 on: February 01, 2008, 02:28:02 PM »

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Re: "There are safer places to get gravel"
« Reply #80 on: February 01, 2008, 03:01:23 PM »

Pictures above was taken yesterday as they continue to build the bridge to the gravel site at Spring Bar. I wonder if the cost will go over close to the half million dollars the Province has given to build the access road and bridge crossing.

A major story is supposed to run in the Globe and Mail tomorrow as Frank and others went to UBC the other day to meet Dr Michael  Church a fluvial geomorphologist from the UBC research team and Mark Hume a Globe and Mail reporter.

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Re: "There are safer places to get gravel"
« Reply #81 on: February 02, 2008, 01:57:06 PM »

The article is in today's Globe and Mail that you can read on their web page.

Thanks Rodney for posting it below.
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Re: "There are safer places to get gravel"
« Reply #82 on: February 02, 2008, 02:07:31 PM »

Silencing the troubled waters

While the local chief says removing the gravel poses no threat to salmon, opponents label the plan 'grotesque' and fear its impact
 
MARK HUME
February 2, 2008


VANCOUVER -- Clem Seymour, chief of the Seabird Island band, can remember the day he first heard the sound of the riverbed shifting.

He was fishing for salmon with his family on the great sweep of the Fraser River near his small community, about 100 kilometres east of Vancouver, when his mother turned off the boat's engine and told him the soft, clicking noise, muffled by the water, was made by rocks rolling along the bottom.

"She stopped the boat and I could hear it, just moving under the water," said Mr. Seymour, who is heading a controversial project to mine a large gravel bar just upstream from the Seabird Island reserve, between Hope and Chilliwack, in the Fraser Valley.

The idea of heavy equipment working on the exposed bed of the most productive salmon river in the world has alarmed many. And the project has set traditional native knowledge against modern science, as the Seabird Island band argues they know more about the Fraser than anyone, while some experts on ecology and river hydrodynamics say they are destroying valuable salmon habitat while doing nothing to alleviate the flood threat.

"We are river people. ... We wouldn't be doing this if it hurt the salmon," said Mr. Seymour, whose band has provincial and federal approval to remove 400,000 cubic metres of aggregate from Spring Bar, near Seabird Island.

"Where that gravel bar is, it used to be part of the main channel. But now it's filled in. ... The river seems to move faster now and we've lost about 10 to 12 acres [of reserve land] through erosion.

"We have to do something about it," he said.

The aggregate Mr. Seymour heard rolling underneath his boat was part of a natural process that, over the centuries, has built up massive gravel bars that have been blamed for increasing the flood threat in the lower Fraser River, from Hope to Vancouver.

Mr. Seymour's band, which last spring was nearly flooded when the river rose to within centimetres of topping its banks, plans to take two big chunks off Spring Bar over the next several weeks, with the idea of lowering the water level.

To get access to the bar, the band is building a temporary bridge, with funding of $564,000 from the provincial government's flood mitigation budget.

When the project was announced last month, Minister of Public Safety John Les said it was needed to reduce the Fraser River flood risk.

"Vast deposits like the Spring Bar have raised the river's bed and narrowed its channel, increasing pressure on the dikes that protect homes, businesses and land throughout the valley," Mr. Les said.

But the plan has come under attack from the David Suzuki Foundation, the B.C. Wildlife Federation and dozens of other groups. While it gives the Seabird Island band several millions of dollars worth of high-quality aggregate to sell, they say, it does so at high cost to salmon.

"It is absolutely appalling," said Marvin Rosenau, a former fisheries biologist with the provincial Ministry of Environment who now works as an instructor on fish ecology and environmental management at the British Columbia Institute of Technology.

"If this goes ahead as planned, it may end up dewatering a side channel [by changing the river's flow], and it looks to me like an enormous amount of salmon-rearing habitat will be lost," Dr. Rosenau said.

He said there has been considerable gravel mining on Fraser River gravel bars over the decades, but the Spring Bar project is disturbing because of its size.

"This is the biggest chunk of gravel ever removed at one place from a stream in Western Canada," he said. "This is just grotesque."

THE BIG BAR DISASTER

Gravel mining on the Fraser has been pursued since 1948 because the bars, which emerge during low water in the winter, present vast deposits of gravel that is highly valued by the construction industry, which uses it to make concrete.

In 1998, the provincial government imposed a five-year moratorium on Fraser gravel mining because of concerns about the impact it was having on salmon habitat. When that moratorium was lifted in 2004, the government released a plan that authorized the removal of between 420,000 and 500,000 cubic meters of aggregate each year.

But that plan came under attack in 2006 when the river level suddenly dropped and a side channel below a project at Big Bar ran dry, resulting in the stranding deaths of about two million young salmon.

Dr. Rosenau said that after the Big Bar disaster he expected the government to be more sensitive about where and how mining was done. But the Spring Bar project, he said, has proceeded without adequate assessment of environmental impact.

Mel Kotyk, Lower Fraser acting area director for the Department of Fisheries and Oceans, says the project has been carefully planned.

In a letter released last week, Mr. Kotyk stated: "DFO's role is to ensure that the project is carried out in a way that minimizes the potential harm to fish habitat and fish stocks in the river. I can assure you that the Department has been involved in the planning of this project from the outset, and that measures have been taken to ensure that it does not pose a threat to pink salmon habitat, eggs or alevin."

He said a biologist has determined "that pink salmon spawned in the area upstream and downstream, but that very little spawning occurred at the site itself."

Dr. Rosenau said his own studies show one of the two river channels at Spring Bar is prime pink salmon spawning habitat and the other is ideal for rearing chinook salmon.

"The gravel in there is just perfect for salmon," he said.

And he warned that the river could shift dramatically because of the mining, damaging both channels. He said one side channel will get more water and a faster current, while the other will be turned into a big ditch, "basically creating the Suez Canal of the Fraser River."

Frank Kwak, a member of the Fraser Valley Salmon Society, said his group has identified more than a dozen species of fish at Spring Bar.

"DFO hasn't done the kind of work in there that we have," he said. "Among the things we found is that it is an area that has river-rearing sockeye, which is very rare in B.C. Yet DFO has never identified that there are sockeye there. They have no idea."

Sockeye normally rear in lakes and the presence of them at Spring Bar suggests it is an area with special fishery values.

John Werring, a salmon conservation biologist with the Suzuki Foundation, said he is shocked DFO would approve the destruction of salmon habitat. He said the authorization permit states specifically: "The destruction of fish hereby authorized ... is the loss of pink salmon eggs and alevins, and fry ... at sites C and D on Spring Bar."

Michael Church, a professor emeritus in the department of geography at the University of British Columbia, has spent more than 30 years studying the movement of sediment in the Fraser River, and the related channel changes.

He said it is "misleading" for the government to cite a flood threat because gravel has not been building up at Spring Bar.

"The reach between Laidlaw and Aggasiz, within which Spring Bar lies, has on the whole been degrading - that is, it has been losing gravel for several decades now. It was accumulating gravel in the early through middle part of the 20th century, but since then the major slug of gravel seems to have moved on farther downstream," Prof. Church said.

So the chattering of gravel that Chief Seymour hears on the river bottom is the sound of aggregate flowing out with the current, more than it is flowing in.

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Re: "There are safer places to get gravel"
« Reply #83 on: February 02, 2008, 02:07:44 PM »

WHY GRAVEL MATTERS

There is probably nobody in the world who understands the shifting nature of the Fraser River's bed better than Michael Church, a professor emeritus in the department of geography at the University of British Columbia.

For three decades he's studied how gravel moves and he believes much of it entered the Fraser River in the 19th century, when placer miners flooded into the watershed, searching for gold.

Big floods have since shifted that gravel down from the mountains, pushing it in waves farther and farther down the river, where it has settled out in gravel bars.

While the bars closer to the mountains are degrading, or being worn away by erosion, new bars are continuing to build farther and farther downstream.

"It's like a slug, it's like a rabbit being consumed by a snake," he said to describe how the gravel bars are slowly shifting toward the sea.

The government argues that it is important to remove gravel from the Fraser, to lower the river bottom, and thereby reduce the flood threat.

But Prof. Church said gravel removals should be carefully controlled to keep the river's gravel budget in balance.

While it was long thought millions of cubic metres of gravel were washing into the lower river each year, Prof. Church has determined the actual amount is only about 200,000 to 300,000 cubic metres annually. With the B.C. government authorizing the removal of more than 500,000 cubic metres a year, that means more gravel is being removed than is flowing into the river.

Prof. Church said that could have serious environmental effects.

"In most rivers of the world where gravel has been removed it's been removed for commercial purposes ... at rates greater than the annual input rate, and what we universally see is the collapse of the river into a single thread, [a] deep, barren channel. ...you have coarse fish ... not salmon or trout. So you change the quality of the ecosystem dramatically," he said.

And removing gravel in one area won't necessarily improve flood safety, he said, because it can alter the flow of the river, leading to more erosion in some places and greater gravel buildup in others.

Careless gravel mining, he said, can therefore degrade the quality of the environment and increase the flood threat.

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Re: "There are safer places to get gravel"
« Reply #84 on: February 07, 2008, 03:11:56 PM »

http://www.fishingwithrod.com/fishy_news/file/080207.doc

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January 23, 2008

Honourable Stephen Harper,
Prime Minister of Canada
House of Commons
Ottawa, Ontario
K1A 0E6

Dear Mr. Prime Minister:

It is with a great deal of sadness that we, the membership of the Sportfishing Defence Alliance must join in the call by the B.C. Wildlife Federation for the replacement of Loyola Hearn as Minister of Fisheries and Oceans.

As you may recall Prime Minister, at the time of his appointment this organization and many others saw Minister Hearn as a fisherman’s Minister. We looked forward to working with him to the betterment of our national fisheries. Unfortunately history has proven us wrong. Rather than a fisherman’s Minister we have seen the development of a senior bureaucrats’ Minister.

In addition to the very clear reasons the B.C. Wildlife Federation has delineated in calling for the dismissal of Minister Hearn, we have to add his ongoing failure to carry out his mandate to protect the fish stocks in the Fraser River. Our members are currently documenting an ongoing habitat destruction project going on at the Spring Bar on the Fraser River. Minister Hearn has given full approval to this destruction. He has done this without carrying out any of the required studies and without the knowledge, nor it seems concerns for the impacts this project will have on last years Pink salmon spawning. There are also serious concerns over of the impacts on Sturgeon populations, a species identified as a major concern by COSEWIC.

Your government signed an memo of understanding with the Province of B.C. setting out the terms and conditions under which gravel would be removed from the Fraser River. As happened in 2006 with the project at Big Bar, this project in 2008 at Spring Bar, has seen virtually none of the habitat assessment reviews being undertaken. In fact as best we can determine, this Minister has ignored virtually all of the recommendations his Department staff made in their review of the 2006 fiasco.

We believe the Wildlife Federation said it all in their comment to you on January 22, “    We fervently believe that the position of Minister of Federal Fisheries and Oceans be held by a public servant who not only shares our vision of the future of fisheries in Canada but embraces and encourages Canadians to partake in accessing their common property resource and protecting the habitat in which fish need to exist.”

Sadly the current holder of this position does not meet these standards and must be replaced.

Yours in conservation:

Bill Otway, President
Sportfishing Defence Alliance
P.O. Box 326,
Merritt, B.C.
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Phone 250 378-4489
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Re: "There are safer places to get gravel"
« Reply #85 on: February 07, 2008, 03:35:03 PM »

"Sadly the current holder of this position does not meet these standards and must be replaced. "


and don't let the door hit you on the way out. ;D  I always thought Hearn was a bum.

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Re: "There are safer places to get gravel"
« Reply #86 on: February 08, 2008, 09:17:04 AM »

On a separate note, another aspect to consider is the compensation package... or the seemingly lack of.  With any project that is deemed to cause harmful alteration, disruption or destruction of fish habitat, if the project cannot be relocated, redesigned or mitigated, there should be appropriate compensation.

Cited from HADD regulations:

The following compensatory options are presented in hierarchical order from most to least
preferred:
• Create similar habitat at or near the development site within the same ecological unit;
• Create similar habitat in a different ecological unit that supports the same stock or species;
• Increase the productive capacity of existing habitat at or near the development site and within the same ecological unit;
• Increase the productive capacity of a different ecological unit that supports the same stock or species; and,
• Increase the productive capacity of existing habitat for a different stock or different species of fish either on or off the site.

I realize that this is an after-the-fact approach and that efforts should remain targeted at limiting the activities, but does anyone know if their has or will be any compensation?
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Re: "There are safer places to get gravel"
« Reply #87 on: February 08, 2008, 02:12:59 PM »

Photos posted for Chris. His comments to come.















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« Reply #88 on: February 08, 2008, 04:08:05 PM »

I work around road construction in Washington all the time.  I also acquire the necessary environmental permits from the Corps, US Fish and Wildlife and National Marine Fisheries, and I can tell you that those construction practices shown in the threads would never fly in the States.  We wouldn't even allow a construction site to look like that near a wetland, let alone such a large water body with such diversity.  This is a complete joke of a project and someone not only should loose their job over this, but should go to jail.   >:(
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Re: "There are safer places to get gravel"
« Reply #89 on: February 10, 2008, 06:25:25 PM »

A MS Powerpoint file has been released this afternoon that summarizes the gravel operation at Spring Bar on February 2008 and its impact on salmonid habitat. The report is put together collectively by the following groups:

BC Wildlife Federation
sportfishing Defence Alliance
fraser River Keepers
David Suzuki Foundation
Fraser Valley Salmon Society

http://www.fishingwithrod.com/fishy_news/file/080210.pps

The file is just over 2mb large. The entire presentation takes about 10 to 20 minutes to through. Please take the time to go through it and pass it onto others who are unaware of the issue. If you do not have Microsoft Powerpoint, please let us know and I'll see what I can do. Perhaps I will change each slide into JPG files.
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