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 91 
 on: October 09, 2025, 01:15:08 PM 
Started by roeman - Last post by RalphH
lol I just AI'ed this, it was not conclusive but generally leaning towards the Canadian public does not have an inherent right to fish.  That common law and Magna Carta does not protect public fishing rights although many courts still cite to it in discussions of the public right to fish.



oh yeah and so I included the 'right' in quotes. Unlike the UK where common law originated, Canada has for the most part (Quebec excepted and some Maritime Provinces to an extent), held the resources of fish, game and gathering as part of the commons like air and water and so with, some limitations (ie licensing) are available to everyone. Certainly makes sense when population was low and many people lived hand and mouth lives in the wilderness or at least far away from the resources available in cities. It's getting sort of different now with high population and industrial enhancement of wild fish populations but people are still very attached to it and see it as part of the country's heritage.

 92 
 on: October 09, 2025, 12:32:52 PM 
Started by roeman - Last post by SuperBobby
lol I just AI'ed this, it was not conclusive but generally leaning towards the Canadian public does not have an inherent right to fish.  That common law and Magna Carta does not protect public fishing rights although many courts still cite to it in discussions of the public right to fish.

I also went does the rabbit hole of inherent rights of first nations vs citizens of Canada.  I think I broke AI

it ended with

"this is one of the most complex and contested areas of Canadian law"

"The tension you perceive is at the heart of reconciliation efforts in Canada. On one hand, the government recognizes that Indigenous rights are inherent, pre-dating the state. On the other, the state maintains that inherent rights are not absolute and must be implemented within the Canadian constitutional framework, including being subject to justifiable infringement. For many Indigenous peoples, the fact that their inherent rights must be continually proven in a colonial legal system is the very contradiction at the root of the struggle"

"Your question highlights the central paradox of the relationship between the Canadian state and First Nations: The inherent rights of Indigenous peoples are affirmed within a legal system that was imposed upon them by a colonizing power"

"In short, your observation captures the core issue: A system based on rights granted by the state has had to figure out how to incorporate pre-existing, inherent rights. The result is a complex legal and political reality where First Nations exercise authority, but are still ultimately nested within the Canadian constitutional order:

Lol.... even AI can see the stupidity and lack of any common sense or logic in the socialistic BS Canadian policies of how we negotiate with the First Nations. Oh wait.... I forgot  the governments of Canada don't actually negotiate with them. They just rob Canadian taxpayers and give the First Nations everything they ask for on a silver platter. 

 93 
 on: October 09, 2025, 10:56:20 AM 
Started by roeman - Last post by wildmanyeah
It's our 'right' as Canadians after all.

lol I just AI'ed this, it was not conclusive but generally leaning towards the Canadian public does not have an inherent right to fish.  That common law and Magna Carta does not protect public fishing rights although many courts still cite to it in discussions of the public right to fish.

I also went does the rabbit hole of inherent rights of first nations vs citizens of Canada.  I think I broke AI

it ended with

"this is one of the most complex and contested areas of Canadian law"

"The tension you perceive is at the heart of reconciliation efforts in Canada. On one hand, the government recognizes that Indigenous rights are inherent, pre-dating the state. On the other, the state maintains that inherent rights are not absolute and must be implemented within the Canadian constitutional framework, including being subject to justifiable infringement. For many Indigenous peoples, the fact that their inherent rights must be continually proven in a colonial legal system is the very contradiction at the root of the struggle"

"Your question highlights the central paradox of the relationship between the Canadian state and First Nations: The inherent rights of Indigenous peoples are affirmed within a legal system that was imposed upon them by a colonizing power"

"In short, your observation captures the core issue: A system based on rights granted by the state has had to figure out how to incorporate pre-existing, inherent rights. The result is a complex legal and political reality where First Nations exercise authority, but are still ultimately nested within the Canadian constitutional order:

 94 
 on: October 09, 2025, 09:22:46 AM 
Started by roeman - Last post by wildmanyeah
I don't no if its different this year but I've seen comments like the OP almost daily on social media.

Vedder is a meat fishery tho IMO, if your looking for peace and tranquility there is other flows, with better and less people. Just might not walk home with a fish and certainly not three.

Q rods photos' of him fishing up river with no one around and a beach full of fish lol

 95 
 on: October 09, 2025, 08:08:15 AM 
Started by roeman - Last post by RalphH
Solutions to all of this are obvious but few would surrender their turn at the hog trough. It's our 'right' as Canadians after all.

 96 
 on: October 08, 2025, 10:31:41 PM 
Started by roeman - Last post by psd1179
"picked up as many baseball size rocks I could put in my vest, went back to the run and stood in from of the four guys and thru at least 20 rocks into the run.  Smiled and walked away. " ::) ::)

 

 97 
 on: October 08, 2025, 08:48:41 PM 
Started by roeman - Last post by Fish Assassin
Getting worse every year.

 98 
 on: October 08, 2025, 06:55:14 PM 
Started by roeman - Last post by roeman
I moved back to the area in 2019 but since then always fished the Harrison River with a boat in the fall.  Just sold my boat an thought lets give the Vedder a shot.  I have heard about it but I thought I can find a little run and make a few casts.  People crowded on from Yarrow down to Keith Wilson bridge so walked the shore line crossing in the shallows and amazed at the crowds.  Found a small slot against the bank between two crowded areas and started casting in the early morning.  Hooked a hatchery coho with in the first couple minutes then another soon after.  Landing the fish I noticed 4 guys walking down from the overcrowded bar above.  While dealing with the fish and securing both in the gravel with a stick, I go to return to casting and there are 4 guys standing in a small area and crowded me out.  Stood between the four and thought to myself they will move on in a couple minutes.  Could see the coho going by and they would rip the float two or three times every drift.  Two of guys that were right below me actually ran up above the other two and cast at the fish that had swam thru.  Hooked one more and left after only fishing for 45 minutes.  I realize its a busy river but I chose to find a small area away from everyone and to have a good time.  Could not take it anymore, while cleaning the three fish I picked up as many baseball size rocks I could put in my vest, went back to the run and stood in from of the four guys and thru at least 20 rocks into the run.  Smiled and walked away.  When did it become acceptable for this type of behavior, People were actually walking into areas carrying lawn chairs. 

 99 
 on: October 08, 2025, 02:20:04 PM 
Started by roeman - Last post by roeman
I do an annual ocean trip to the west coast , we catch lots of fish , it’s absolutely beautiful .

We go home with pieces of fillets about a pound to pound and a half with no tails or heads attached , I have no idea how the regs would work if we got pulled over .
It will not go well if you ever get checked.  Packaging needs to be labelled "fish 1 piece 1,2,3,4 and so on for each fish.  So they can easily determine how many fish you have. Hatchery or wild if there are coho involved depending on the area if you can kill wild coho.

 100 
 on: October 08, 2025, 07:07:40 AM 
Started by roeman - Last post by RalphH
done the same on similar trips though had the fish processed by a place licensed to handle sport caught fish. They label it. Kept the receipt for the ridiculous possibility of an FO wanting to inspect the catch.

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