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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: booters on November 03, 2022, 05:55:43 AM
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Good Day
Apologize this is not fishing related but I have to bring it up,
Many times I have attended business outlets which display and sell Remembrance Day Poppies over the counters.
However I am flabbergasted by those clerks not wearing a Poppy? I just dont get it.
Also to continue year after year I have noticed right up to the day people,all ages,race etc not wearing poppy?
Remember people,those who fought for our freedom.
Thanks
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Good Day
Apologize this is not fishing related but I have to bring it up,
Many times I have attended business outlets which display and sell Remembrance Day Poppies over the counters.
However I am flabbergasted by those clerks not wearing a Poppy? I just dont get it.
Also to continue year after year I have noticed right up to the day people,all ages,race etc not wearing poppy?
Remember people,those who fought for our freedom.
Thanks
Have you looked out your window in the last 3 years or so at the real $#!t that is going on in this world right now? Because if you are paying attention, you won't be troubling yourself with whether a store clerk wears a poppy or not.
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I pay attention to lots of things, that being one of them,not to mention ur ignorant response, someone piss ur cornflakes
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I don't get what this is about. A lot of people don't wear poppies or just some store clerks in specific situations? Lately there has been rants about "some people" who don't wear poppies. In 60 years of experience I have learned they are easy to lose!
FWIW I have a poppy but haven't worn it as yet... Remembrance Days is still a week away. Is there a statutory date that I have to put it on?
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Didn't you know if you hang a huge CDN flag off the back of your truck.... that also makes you a patriot. The symbol of our great flag has been highjacked by anti vaxers.
A. F U Trudeau sticker on your truck to show to the neighbours kids also makes you a patriot. Really sad the direction our great country is moving towards.
Thats my rant for the day.
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Booters, I can tell that wearing the poppy as a sign of gratitude and respect is important to you. I wondered if you had left any clues in your previous posts why that was...
Ten years ago, you told us about your uncle perishing in a bomber crash in 1941. So war, sacrifice and service is very much a part of your family history and your own personal values.
Thanks for the reminder. I'll be putting my poppy on today. Lest we forget.
Cheers.
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Well thanks Clarki.the one reply that makes some sense to me,others not so much
Enough said, end of conversation
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When I was in Elementary school in the early 70's, poppies were handed out in class, each contributed what they could. For what it's worth, even though you don't see the numbers of poppy wearers as before, it's important to show support for those who gave their lives. We are free to have this discussion due to their sacrifice. To those that are on this forum who served, thank-you for your service.
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Booters I am glad you exercised your freedom to both wear a poppy and to voice your opinion on the matter here. I am also glad that those who don't have the freedom not to. I respect that and believe that was a small part of the freedoms many people have struggled to gain and or protect both in the past and today.
I would also like to share this photo of my wife's Uncle who died as a Flight Sergent in the RCAF in April 1944 when the Lancaster Bomber he was serving in crashed landed in England after being damaged in combat over Germany.
(https://i.imgur.com/0wIwfgA.jpg)
There is a lake in Northern Saskatchewan named in his honor.
I'd also to point out that more non combatants died in WW2 due directly or indirectly of the war than combatants of all nations. Only recently have they been officially remembered as part of our observances on November 11th.
I will also mention my parents who when in their teens living in Central and Eastern Europe directly experienced the force of the war and saw many people, young old die, be injured or brutally assaulted. It wasn't until far later in my life I recognized both my parents lived with PTSD as a result for their entire lives. My mother, who worked as a nurse's aid in the what was then Czechoslovakia, saw and treated women and children who were brought into an aide station for treatment after suffering brutal sexual assault of soldiers of the liberating Red Army. She walked among columns of refugees in snow laden roads and told me decades later that it is always the very young and old who die first. She had horrible nightmares for 30 or more years after. It was hard not to notice.
I will wear a poppy but I will put it on when I am ready. I will observe 2 minutes of silence on the 11th and remember all the heroes and victims of WW2 and of many other war before, after, currently and in years to come.
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I started wearing mine this week. It’s pinned to my jacket. My Grandfather was killed in the Second World War. My other grandpa was a POW and barely escaped with his life. Thank you to all the veterans. I will not forget.
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Thank you every one, Appreciate it, My comments earlier were not only inferring to who my Uncle who lost his life. .I find it discouraging to observe those who dont wear a poppy. Their choice but some what shameful i SAY. mY UNCLE I never knew, born 4 yrs later after 1941 ,was not even recognized in my thoughts many many years later. Now I have but also to those to served for our country,
Rememberence day I cherished
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I find it discouraging to observe those who dont wear a poppy. Their choice but some what shameful i SAY.
No, my response was not ignorant, nor did anyone do something bad to may cereal.
Let me explain what you are doing here.
You are doing something called 'virtual signaling'
Basically it means you are forcing your beliefs and ideals (what is important to YOU)....onto EVERYONE else.
Don't do that. It's rude and unkind.
Do you want others to force their beliefs and ideals on you? I'm pretty sure you don't. Perhaps I will tell you what charities you should give to, and then when you disagree with me I will tell you how disappointed I am when you don't give to those charities.
Are you starting to see the problem with your position yet?
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When I was in Elementary school in the early 70's, poppies were handed out in class, each contributed what they could. For what it's worth, even though you don't see the numbers of poppy wearers as before, it's important to show support for those who gave their lives. We are free to have this discussion due to their sacrifice. To those that are on this forum who served, thank-you for your service.
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I recall that in the late 50s Maybe shud be carried on however its a new era. new breed. Not really right
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No, my response was not ignorant, nor did anyone do something bad to may cereal.
Let me explain what you are doing here.
You are doing something called 'virtual signaling'
Basically it means you are forcing your beliefs and ideals (what is important to YOU)....onto EVERYONE else.
Don't do that. It's rude and unkind.
Do you want others to force their beliefs and ideals on you? I'm pretty sure you don't. Perhaps I will tell you what charities you should give to, and then when you disagree with me I will tell you how disappointed I am when you don't give to those charities.
Are you starting to see the problem with your position yet?
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Do you know that income tax was introduced in 1917 to support the war. And it never go away and will not in the future. That usually worth a lot of poppies. You pay your tax, and remember every penny and who have contributed to this country.
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No, my response was not ignorant, nor did anyone do something bad to may cereal.
Let me explain what you are doing here.
You are doing something called 'virtual signaling'
Basically it means you are forcing your beliefs and ideals (what is important to YOU)....onto EVERYONE else.
Don't do that. It's rude and unkind.
Do you want others to force their beliefs and ideals on you? I'm pretty sure you don't. Perhaps I will tell you what charities you should give to, and then when you disagree with me I will tell you how disappointed I am when you don't give to those charities.
Are you starting to see the problem with your position yet?
I sort of agree. I almost see it as a plea for people to agree with you, in order to validate your opinion. Cant say I've never done this before but still, it is something which will not provide you with anything that meaningful as I have learned. You will not change other's opinions. Best thing to do is keep it to yourself. It may be important to you but probably 50% of people alive here have never seen/been in a war or such conditions. Some might just be lazy, some might have much bigger problems in life to worry about. Some may see it as a Canadian patriotic symbol and may not be patriotic to Canada. For example I am from Serbia and even though I was born here I live by my Serbian heritage %100. Canada is part of NATO who is responsible for bombing my country and my people, my mother was in the bombings and could have passed away or been injured. I am in no way patriotic towards Canada. I thinks its better here than America but my mother brought me here so I have an opportunity to be successful which wasn't present back home.
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I will chime in to say I'm in total agreement with Booters. The past several years I have noticed that fewer and fewer people are wearing the poppy. My dad was a vet. He fought oversea to protect our freedom at a time when he was not allowed to vote. As a child, my dad would take my brothers and sisters down to the Cenotaph every November 11th. We often wondered why my dad's eyes would welled up with tears when they play the Last Post. It was years later we learned that he lost a lot of his comrades. Young men never to return to their families. Buried overseas. My dad suffered what is now known as PTSD. He would wake up in the middle of the night screaming and drenched in sweat. As kids we thought he was just having a nightmare. Nightmares of parachuting behind enemy lines in the middle of the night and shot at by the enemy. Many died floating down to earth. So helpless. On November 11th I will stand for 2 minutes of silence to honour those who have or is currently serving.
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Those of you that call this virtue signalling are totally lost. The poppy is worn as a symbol of respect and remembrance for soldiers that gave their lives to protect everyone's at the time and moving forward. It protected the freedoms and liberties of all. It was not just our country that was involved it was a world war. It would have affected everyone's day to day life if the US, Canada and all other allies had not gotten involved. The world we live in and get to enjoy to this day was because of the sacrifices made by those then. It should never be forgotten or made less of.
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On November 11th I will stand for 2 minutes of silence to honour those who have or is currently serving.
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Thats great. But its what you do the rest of the year that means something..
Like the people that go to church on Dec 25 and think it proves something.
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Wife and I both rocked our Poppy's today. Wifes poppy was hand woven which she got many compliments on.
CDN flag has been hijacked the last year....
Can't even now wear my Hawaiian shirt / Fred Perry Polo shirts now.....
Really hope the Poppy is NOT hijacked as well.....
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I have always thought it sad that no one remembers those who gave their lives for freedom of their countries during the Napoleonic Wars. It seems the same thing is happening with the 20th Century "World Wars". :'(
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I wear a poppy - not because I agree everything Canada has done or continues to do. I share some of the same sentiment as Darko but not to the same degree (though I am older and the family experiences are quite different). My family was personally effected on both sides during Canadian war times and I have complex, mixed feelings about my Canadian identity. When my mother was 7, she, her family, and other Japanese Canadians were rounded up, stripped of property and rights, held at Hastings Park, and then taken to the prison camps in the BC Interior. The rest is part of our country's history. However, Canada being young and a relatively wealthy country held opportunity for families to rebuild and in one generation the wealth of the land allowed my family (on both sides - for my Scottish side, it was mining in eastern Canada and on my Japanese side - it was from sockeye from the Skeena and Fraser Rivers) to eventually aquire a comfortable and safe living to raise the next generations. For that I am grateful and fortunate. I am also mindful that these opportunities (while coupled with hard work work) came from resource extraction from the traditional territories of Indigenous people- for which I am thankful. Do I feel fortunate to be a Canadian at this time and place in history- yes! I am certainly grateful to those who fought and sacrificed for the country I live in with relative peace and comfort. I would also imagine for a lot of us being Canadian is a complex thing with a lot of layers and contradictions. Behind the visual symbol of wearing a poppy or not wearing one - there is lived experience and a family history that is hard to judge from the outside. That said, my family wears a poppy to honour and show respect.
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No, my response was not ignorant, nor did anyone do something bad to may cereal.
Let me explain what you are doing here.
You are doing something called 'virtual signaling'
Basically it means you are forcing your beliefs and ideals (what is important to YOU)....onto EVERYONE else.
Don't do that. It's rude and unkind.
Do you want others to force their beliefs and ideals on you? I'm pretty sure you don't. Perhaps I will tell you what charities you should give to, and then when you disagree with me I will tell you how disappointed I am when you don't give to those charities.
Are you starting to see the problem with your position yet?
A few problems with your comments:
1. It’s “virtue signalling”
2. Virtue signalling is not about forcing your beliefs and ideals
3. What booters wrote is not virtue signalling
Not so super, Bobby.
Besides I think we can cut a 77 yr old some slack when he expresses, in his way, that he thinks it’s important to wear a poppy.
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I didn't see it as virtue signalling either. i saw it more as a dog whistle; "this change in our society makes me angry and a lot of you like me who have been part of this country for a long time know what I mean."
I've always had mixed feeling about Remembrance day. Like Darko I am the child of immigrants. As I wrote my parents had the direct experience of the war and they told me some of their stories. Remembrance Day never included them. It was more about the old ideal of British imperialism. It never recognized the mistakes that caused 2 world wars or the deal with the devil "our side" made to win them. Canada is no longer British. The population comes from backgrounds that aren't in love with the old imperialism but has good reasons to forget it. Remembrance Day is in danger of becoming as archaic as Victoria Day. As an institution it has to be changed or it will just become another excuse for a day off.
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I think it’s ridiculous to get steamed about someone not wearing a poppy when you expect them to. Who’s to say they weren’t going to wear it the next day? Some may start wearing it on a particular day for any number of reasons. One of my closest friends always starts wearing a poppy on Nov 7 as it was the day his grandfather died.
Don’t judge a book by its cover …. You don’t know a strangers story …. Lives are lived with many events that shape the way we live.
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I think it’s ridiculous to get steamed about someone not wearing a poppy when you expect them to. Who’s to say they weren’t going to wear it the next day? Some may start wearing it on a particular day for any number of reasons. One of my closest friends always starts wearing a poppy on Nov 7 as it was the day his grandfather died.
Don’t judge a book by its cover …. You don’t know a strangers story …. Lives are lived with many events that shape the way we live.
I am or was not steamed about people not wearing a poppy.
My initial post was
1- stores displaying and selling poppies however the clerks not wearing one,ironical and even somewhat amusing
Will they eventually wear one.maybe maybe not. because I have seen same individuals at those stores on Rememberance day void of wearing a poppy. A oservation and comment by me. Does that bother you?
2- People void wearing a poppy up to including the very day. Yeah I find it disappointing and unpatriotic.
I wont keep my thoughts to myself as you suggested among other things,I have and will always voice my opinion,my right,everyones right.
I dont understand why you argue,debate and slam me for my Post.
To me Rememberance Day stands for the patriotic thoughts and memories of those who fought for Canada.
Why would you even debate and be condescending about that. Best think about it a little more.
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I wear a poppy - not because I agree everything Canada has done or continues to do. I share some of the same sentiment as Darko but not to the same degree (though I am older and the family experiences are quite different). My family was personally effected on both sides during Canadian war times and I have complex, mixed feelings about my Canadian identity. When my mother was 7, she, her family, and other Japanese Canadians were rounded up, stripped of property and rights, held at Hastings Park, and then taken to the prison camps in the BC Interior. The rest is part of our country's history. However, Canada being young and a relatively wealthy country held opportunity for families to rebuild and in one generation the wealth of the land allowed my family (on both sides - for my Scottish side, it was mining in eastern Canada and on my Japanese side - it was from sockeye from the Skeena and Fraser Rivers) to eventually aquire a comfortable and safe living to raise the next generations. For that I am grateful and fortunate. I am also mindful that these opportunities (while coupled with hard work work) came from resource extraction from the traditional territories of Indigenous people- for which I am thankful. Do I feel fortunate to be a Canadian at this time and place in history- yes! I am certainly grateful to those who fought and sacrificed for the country I live in with relative peace and comfort. I would also imagine for a lot of us being Canadian is a complex thing with a lot of layers and contradictions. Behind the visual symbol of wearing a poppy or not wearing one - there is lived experience and a family history that is hard to judge from the outside. That said, my family wears a poppy to honour and show respect.
I relate to this. On my father's side my great grandfather fought in the trenches in WW1 and grandfather a WW2 vet. My mother's side, japanese, her parents were sent to internment camps in the interior. Everything taken, fishing business in steveston, a hotel in strathcona. Depending on where your family was sent there's a good chance our families could have known each other. I still wear a poppy, I don't have mine yet, to honour the memory of the soldiers who fought. Every remembrance day my family would go to my grandparent's and watch the ceremony on TV, they've long since passed but I still have my moment of silence on the 11th.
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Thanks for the reminder booters and will keep that in mind. My respect to those that fought for our freedom.
I do agree with Darko also in that not everything is black or white when it comes to world wars. Also being an European immigrant, I had relatives that were killed by the same fascists your ancestors fought and I have my own ways of remembering them. I may not wear the Poppy every day but still honour and respect their sacrifice and will share it with my children.
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I didn't see it as virtue signalling either. i saw it more as a dog whistle; "this change in our society makes me angry and a lot of you like me who have been part of this country for a long time know what I mean."
I've always had mixed feeling about Remembrance day. Like Darko I am the child of immigrants. As I wrote my parents had the direct experience of the war and they told me some of their stories. Remembrance Day never included them. It was more about the old ideal of British imperialism. It never recognized the mistakes that caused 2 world wars or the deal with the devil "our side" made to win them. Canada is no longer British. The population comes from backgrounds that aren't in love with the old imperialism but has good reasons to forget it. Remembrance Day is in danger of becoming as archaic as Victoria Day. As an institution it has to be changed or it will just become another excuse for a day off.
I think Ralph explained it best here, Yes very sad with the new era including the new breed of people
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I think Ralph explained it best here, Yes very sad with the new era including the new breed of people
How is having "the new breed of people" like me in this country sad? You're entitled to your opinion, and I consider myself pretty tolerant, but I actually find the last couple of your posts quite offensive.
To me Rememberance Day stands for the patriotic thoughts and memories of those who fought for Canada.
Why would you even debate and be condescending about that. Best think about it a little more.
The keywords here are "to you". Your definition of patriotism may be very different to mine or someone else's. I didn't grow up in this country until my late teens, so obviously I have very little connection to Remembrance Day. I respect the importance of it for others. I try to be conscious about what I do and say on days leading up to November 11th, not because I'm worried that I might offend people, but I care about how those who have been impacted by the wars may feel on these days. This doesn't mean I would be actively outspoken about the importance of Remembrance Day. It also doesn't make me less patriotic. I show my love of Canada in other ways, everyone contributes to this nation differently.
This is why you are seeing all kinds of opinions in this thread that may not align with yours. They're not trying to be condescending, they're just disagreeing and sharing their own perspectives. That's what's great about this country, the diversity is what keeps us growing and moving forward. I get that you may feel sad that the Canada now is not the same as the nation you grew up knowing, but please don't suggest that it is no longer as good because of the new breed of people like us. There are plenty of positive progresses in this country worth celebrating about.
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Diversity makes us all stronger. Change is inevitable. Adapting to change is critical for all of us. Canada is an amazing country. Patriotism can be shown in many different ways. I am sure we are all Proud Canadians.
Many young people would prefer to see Remembrance day focus more on Peace and less on WW1 and WW2.
Myself, I am a bit traditional and i like to wear the Poppy in respect for my grandparents that had to make huge sacrifices during WW2.
To each their own, tolerance is one thing that makes Canadians special.
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It's easy to forget the sacrifices made in the past because most people in Canada today have never had to live through a war. In a way, this lack of awareness is a good thing because it is a result of the fact that we have had 2 generations of peace. I think the people in Ukraine wish they could just forget about war, but, of course, the Russians have made that impossible.
I wear the poppy not only to remember those that defended our way of life in the past, but also as a sign of respect to those Canadians (of all backgrounds) that volunteer for the Canadian military. These people wont be fighting the last war. There is always the possibility that they will need to put themselves on the front lines to defend us. Lets hope they don't have to.
Peace.
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How is having "the new breed of people" like me in this country sad? You're entitled to your opinion, and I consider myself pretty tolerant, but I actually find the last couple of your posts quite offensive.
The keywords here are "to you". Your definition of patriotism may be very different to mine or someone else's. I didn't grow up in this country until my late teens, so obviously I have very little connection to Remembrance Day. I respect the importance of it for others. I try to be conscious about what I do and say on days leading up to November 11th, not because I'm worried that I might offend people, but I care about how those who have been impacted by the wars may feel on these days. This doesn't mean I would be actively outspoken about the importance of Remembrance Day. It also doesn't make me less patriotic. I show my love of Canada in other ways, everyone contributes to this nation differently.
This is why you are seeing all kinds of opinions in this thread that may not align with yours. They're not trying to be condescending, they're just disagreeing and sharing their own perspectives. That's what's great about this country, the diversity is what keeps us growing and moving forward. I get that you may feel sad that the Canada now is not the same as the nation you grew up knowing, but please don't suggest that it is no longer as good because of the new breed of people like us. There are plenty of positive progresses in this country worth celebrating about.
Maybe I didnt make myself clear enough, apologize, not referring to the races, definetely not ,probably reference to the younger generation of all races. Those not appreciative of what they have or what they got.
Im not all that good with word explanations but i intend on saying things that people dont take offensive to I might fail at that and think I have done so with this forum,again please no offense intended. I think its best for me to discontinue with this forum as I know i can be outspoken and people can misinterrprut my output.
Enyoyed it, learned a lot but time to go. Once again no intended offense,just my improper usage of wordong.
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A few problems with your comments:
1. It’s “virtue signalling”
2. Virtue signalling is not about forcing your beliefs and ideals
3. What booters wrote is not virtue signalling
Not so super, Bobby.
Besides I think we can cut a 77 yr old some slack when he expresses, in his way, that he thinks it’s important to wear a poppy.
1. This is why I don't debate much on the internet anymore. When the first comment on someone's post is attacking your TYPO, you know the remaining argument is going to be weak (which is true in this case). What I also found funny about you attacking my typo is that you spelled 'signaling' wrong after pointing out that I spelled 'virtue' wrong.
2 and 3. Disagree. What Booters original post said is most definitely virtue signaling. He wants everyone to conform to what his beliefs and ideals on poppies/veterans are, and he will talk to you as you are a bad person if you don't get in line with his boot camp expectations.
When you guilt trip someone, talk a person in a condescending manner, or get mad at someone for not doing what matches your beliefs or ideals.....you are absolutely virtue signaling. You are projecting what you believe is right or wrong onto someone, and expect them to agree with you no matter what. This is also the same as appointing yourself to a position of being the supreme moral authority on a given subject.
What has happened in our society is that wokeness has plagued the vast majority of people. Most people in the last few years have become so woke.....and they have accepted and conceded to being virtue signaled at so often that they don't even realize that its happening. Clarki is a good example of this. He doesn't even see it.
And for the record, I have the absolute most respect for our veterans. If our WW1 and WW2 Vets could see Trudope and the Libtards today, they would be turning in their graves. Their wives would be turning in their graves wondering what their husbands gave their lives for. I love our vets in this country, but where our federal leadership does not.
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I am or was not steamed about people not wearing a poppy.
I am flabbergasted by those clerks not wearing a Poppy? I just dont get it.
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…. Condescending!?! Take a look in the mirror bud.
Look… what if the clerk has an issue with the fact that prisoners make poppies? What if the clerk has an issue with poppies being bad for the environment as they are single use plastic (yes, I know there are now some biodegradable versions).
My great grandfather, grandfather and my father were all Veterans. I grew up in a war zone. There were gun battles on my street. There were car bombs on my street. I know what war feels like, what war sounds like and what it’s like to lose friends and family to war. If I ever chose to not wear a poppy …. guess what …. ITS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!!!!!
All I was saying was …. If someone (including someone that is selling them) chooses not to wear a poppy, don’t just pass judgement on them by posting on a fishing forum of all places. Did you ask them why they weren’t wearing one? Maybe it just fell off for crying out loud. At times I have had a poppy pinned on at the start of the day only to realize that it was not there at the end of the day. Don’t freakin judge people.
You post should be titled ‘morning whine’ imo
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And for the record, I have the absolute most respect for our veterans. If our WW1 and WW2 Vets could see Trudope and the Libtards today, they would be turning in their graves. Their wives would be turning in their graves wondering what their husbands gave their lives for. I love our vets in this country, but where our federal leadership does not.
Libtards .... that term is offensive....
The Liberal Party is the longest-serving and oldest active federal political party in the country, and has dominated federal politics of Canada for much of its history, holding power for almost 70 years of the 20th century. As a result, it has sometimes been referred to as Canada's "natural governing party
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_of_Canada#:
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Good Day
Apologize this is not fishing related but I have to bring it up,
Many times I have attended business outlets which display and sell Remembrance Day Poppies over the counters.
However I am flabbergasted by those clerks not wearing a Poppy? I just dont get it.
Also to continue year after year I have noticed right up to the day people,all ages,race etc not wearing poppy?
Remember people,those who fought for our freedom.
Thanks
OK Don Cherry 👍
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look folks in the current state of political discourse "virtue signalling" is what woke liberals do. "Dog whistling" is traditional territory of the irrational right. Please respect the foul lines.
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look folks in the current state of political discourse "virtue signalling" is what woke liberals do. "Dog whistling" is traditional territory of the irrational right. Please respect the foul lines.
signaling is how it is spelled......
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1. This is why I don't debate much on the internet anymore. When the first comment on someone's post is attacking your TYPO, you know the remaining argument is going to be weak (which is true in this case). What I also found funny about you attacking my typo is that you spelled 'signaling' wrong after pointing out that I spelled 'virtue' wrong.
2 and 3. Disagree. What Booters original post said is most definitely virtue signaling. He wants everyone to conform to what his beliefs and ideals on poppies/veterans are, and he will talk to you as you are a bad person if you don't get in line with his boot camp expectations.
When you guilt trip someone, talk a person in a condescending manner, or get mad at someone for not doing what matches your beliefs or ideals.....you are absolutely virtue signaling. You are projecting what you believe is right or wrong onto someone, and expect them to agree with you no matter what. This is also the same as appointing yourself to a position of being the supreme moral authority on a given subject.
What has happened in our society is that wokeness has plagued the vast majority of people. Most people in the last few years have become so woke.....and they have accepted and conceded to being virtue signaled at so often that they don't even realize that its happening. Clarki is a good example of this. He doesn't even see it.
And for the record, I have the absolute most respect for our veterans. If our WW1 and WW2 Vets could see Trudope and the Libtards today, they would be turning in their graves. Their wives would be turning in their graves wondering what their husbands gave their lives for. I love our vets in this country, but where our federal leadership does not.
It wasn’t trying to be a doosh by pointing out a typo, rather since it was a whole different word (virtual/virtue), my assumption was that you were misinformed, not just bad proofreader. If you are merely guilty of a typo, then mea culpa.
However, at the risk of further extending my doosh-ery, I will point out that “signaling” and “signalling” are both acceptable spellings of the word. One is the more common American spelling, the other is the more common British spelling. I chose the latter.
Nit picks aside…I will admit that I was not familiar with the term “virtue signalling” when you first wrote it, so I did some reading. Every article I read spoke about virtue signalling as being about managing the perceptions others have about you. You communicate (or signal) your beliefs, values or actions in order to be thought of as being virtuous. Also called moral grandstanding. In nothing that I read did it talk about virtue signalling as trying to force your beliefs and ideals on others. Virtue signalling (from what I read and now understand) is trying to influence what others believe or perceive about you, and not about forcing them to conform to your position.
So that’s where I think you are wrong. Both in your definition and understanding of virtue signalling and calling out booters.
Ironically, there is the school of thought that calling out virtue signalling is in itself an act of virtue signalling. Ironic, huh? 😀
Cheers
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signaling is how it is spelled......
the new woke spelling is signalling
It wasn’t trying to be a doosh by pointing out a typo
I believe the correct spelling is douche
and by the way opening with a statement like "I am not trying to be an [X]" leaves ones exposed to the accusation that just naturally are an
Not that I am implying you naturally are a doosh. I have no reason to think that. Absolutely none!
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I believe the correct spelling is douche
It is. I was trying to be clever. Apparently I failed
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perhaps not! 8)
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the new woke spelling is signalling
The traditional British spelling is signaulling (like colour). The extra U has fallen out of favour in recent years, at least that's what my neighbour tells me.
Seriously though, why has nobody called out the claim that poppies aren't still being handed out in schools? They certainly are, and kids are encouraged to bring in donations. There are Remembrance Day activities in most classes, and school-wide assemblies on the school day before the 11th. Most schools invite current or retired military members to speak to the students, and pipers are also common during these proceedings. Remembrance Day is still a full-fledged Big Deal in the school system.
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Well, even if there is a little chance of poppies glorifying human sacrifice than I would say stop wearing poppies. In my mind - it's a way to control humans, get them ( us ) in line and round up for war - "to protect the future of our children" - same reason our grandfathers were called to war.
Did it make the future safer? Are we now living in an era of no wars? Did wearing poppies help stop human sacrifice?
Doesn't look like it did!
It only helps perpetuating this idea that sacrifice is necessary and expected.
Your children or grand-children don't need the sacrifice!
Your elites do!
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Did it make the future safer? Are we now living in an era of no wars? Did wearing poppies help stop human sacrifice?
Doesn't look like it did!
How long have we had police officers? Are we now living in an era of no crime? Doesn't look like it!
How long has he been in chemo? Did he survive the cancer? Doesn't look like it!
How long has MADD been running holiday drunk driving campaigns? Has drunk driving stopped? Doesn't look like it!
Not sure that line of logic holds up... ::)
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Remembrance Day ( first called Armistice Day) was first observed in 1919 to commemorate the losses of the British Empire in the Great War, the War to End All Wars.
How many wars has involved the Nations involved in WW1? WW2, Korea, Vietnam, The 2 Gulf Wars, Afghanistan (both the US and the Soviet Union ones) the current Ukraine War and many more. All of these wars were mistakes and were likely avoidable. I think dobrolub makes this point. Overall I think history supports this conclusion. Most historians agree the Great War and it's settlement were an important factor in the cause of WW2. That later war brought other wars.
We don't think about this enough on the 11th.
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Could it be that wearing poppies and some of the most destructive ideologies which lead to wars were thought up by the same people? I find that to be very likely.
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If that were true we would be commemorating the beginning of the war, not the end of it.
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the poppy symbol of remembrance was inspired by the first line of John McRae's poem "In Flanders Fields':
https://www.warmuseum.ca/learn/in-flanders-fields/
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The poppies are a way of remembering many Canadians who volunteered, went overseas and who fought in two world wars and in many cases died for our beliefs and the freedoms that we have here today. My father who did not return was one was one of those volunteers.
I believe this would be a far different world had they not done so.
Whether one decides to wear a poppie or not it is that person's choice. Be thankful that you do have a choice
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I sort of agree. I almost see it as a plea for people to agree with you, in order to validate your opinion. Cant say I've never done this before but still, it is something which will not provide you with anything that meaningful as I have learned. You will not change other's opinions. Best thing to do is keep it to yourself. It may be important to you but probably 50% of people alive here have never seen/been in a war or such conditions. Some might just be lazy, some might have much bigger problems in life to worry about. Some may see it as a Canadian patriotic symbol and may not be patriotic to Canada. For example I am from Serbia and even though I was born here I live by my Serbian heritage %100. Canada is part of NATO who is responsible for bombing my country and my people, my mother was in the bombings and could have passed away or been injured. I am in no way patriotic towards Canada. I thinks its better here than America but my mother brought me here so I have an opportunity to be successful which wasn't present back home.
Help me get a few thoughts straight about you & Canada. Although you were born in Canada, you say you are from Serbia. You are living in Canada, but you are living 100% in your 'Serbian heritage'. Canada is part of NATO and NATO was involved in the Serbian conflict. NATO bombed your country and your people. NATO's bombing could have 'passed away' or injured your mother. You think that Canada is a better country than the United States (another NATO member). Canada welcomed your mother as a refugee from Serbia and offered her sanctuary. Canada did not take your mother as a prisoner from Serbia. Canada set up your mother to allow you to have the opportunity to have a more successful life than you had back home. Why was Canada (NATO) in your country?
Canada is in a position to offer others freedom and the hope for a better life. The reason Canada is in that position is that some guys got off their lazy asses and hooked up with some others at the local fishing hole. These guys got together with a few others, of the same beliefs, and went to defend other nations in what is called war. A lot of those lazy asses did not make home to the comfort and sanctity of Canada. They selfishly died for others' beliefs & humanity and are honored here on Remembrance Day. It will be my privilege to honor those allied sacrifices on that day.
What I struggle with is someone taking all that my country has to offer and can only say, "I am in no way patriotic towards Canada". I know you think it best that I keep these opinions to myself, but I am not concerned about your thoughts or even your existence. I would like to offer you my personal wishes for your fast track to success and a fast trip back to the choice of your village or some other non-Nato country. Canada presents the freedom of choice.
BTW. What does your mother do on NOV11? Father?
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I wear the poppy out of respect for my relatives that volunteered to fight in WW2.
Grandfather was a teacher with 3 small kids when he volunteered. I wear the Poppy for all of those like him that wanted to see a free Europe and stop the spread of fascism.
Of course being a canadian i do respect the views of others. So i could care less if others do or do not wear the poppy. We have the freedom here in Canada to live our lives as we choose pretty much.
Anti Vax crowd also has the freedom to protest against modern science as well. Just don't honk your horns all night and block local traffic please.
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I need to buy another one I lost mine pulling 2 bucks out of some fire weed. Time to get a couple. I loose them so fast
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Help me get a few thoughts straight about you & Canada. Although you were born in Canada, you say you are from Serbia. You are living in Canada, but you are living 100% in your 'Serbian heritage'. Canada is part of NATO and NATO was involved in the Serbian conflict. NATO bombed your country and your people. NATO's bombing could have 'passed away' or injured your mother. You think that Canada is a better country than the United States (another NATO member). Canada welcomed your mother as a refugee from Serbia and offered her sanctuary. Canada did not take your mother as a prisoner from Serbia. Canada set up your mother to allow you to have the opportunity to have a more successful life than you had back home. Why was Canada (NATO) in your country?
Canada is in a position to offer others freedom and the hope for a better life. The reason Canada is in that position is that some guys got off their lazy asses and hooked up with some others at the local fishing hole. These guys got together with a few others, of the same beliefs, and went to defend other nations in what is called war. A lot of those lazy asses did not make home to the comfort and sanctity of Canada. They selfishly died for others' beliefs & humanity and are honored here on Remembrance Day. It will be my privilege to honor those allied sacrifices on that day.
What I struggle with is someone taking all that my country has to offer and can only say, "I am in no way patriotic towards Canada". I know you think it best that I keep these opinions to myself, but I am not concerned about your thoughts or even your existence. I would like to offer you my personal wishes for your fast track to success and a fast trip back to the choice of your village or some other non-Nato country. Canada presents the freedom of choice.
BTW. What does your mother do on NOV11? Father?
you seem very personally attacked. I'm not sure why but here is my response. First off my parents are immigrants not refugees. My family and I are extremely appreciative for this country that we have the opportunity to live a healthy and safe life where we don't have to worry about making ends meet. Yes we could have lived an ok life back home but parents always want better for their kids so they came here to start a family. I owe it to my country to be the best citizen I can. Which I always try my best to do. I know that everything I use on a daily basis was built by other people and those before me (highways, roads, water treatment, homes, ect). That's why I do my best to be a good part of the community. Also why I am studying engineering so I can do my part to help our society solve problems in order to advance. That's what I owe to this country. To help others, pay my taxes. Take care of the land and ensure a positive future. Patriotic to me means strong political support and backing. Which I think in national means Canada and America are both some huge assholes. I have the right to believe that. I don't know what you know about Balkan wars but I know quite a bit. Just because I am not patriotic to this country doesn't mean I'm not a good person who wishes to help it. In terms of remembrance day I support that it is important to remember those who fought before us in all wars at all times. In fact in previous years I have volunteered at Edmonds Community Centre to set up the remembrance day events. Some feel much more connected because its personal and some not so much. If I didn't wear a poopy or did what would it really change, I am not a person that believes much for spiritual change I believe in actually doing something about it. Donating to a charity for example that supports veterans, that I believe is the best support. Even though it might be a few dollars now and then. When I am successful I will be able to donate more. For me I believe my duty is to help prevent further useless conflicts that end lives of innocent. Anyways you surely seem like a big NATO fan. Must be so proud that your tax dollars are funding a war against Russia... Seems like such an intelligent idea.
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I guess the fishing season must really be over!
:D
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They were talking about this on the radio this morning, If we don't remember are we doomed to repeat the past?
"While the report found that “three in four Canadians express satisfaction with democracy in Canada and the same proportion agrees that democracy is better than any other form of government,” only 39 per cent of Canadians aged 18 to 29 agree with the same statement, compared to 74 per cent of those above 60. Twenty-one per cent of young Canadians believe that it doesn’t matter whether a government is democratic or non-democratic, and 12 per cent agree an authoritarian government might be preferable under certain circumstances."
https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/grafton-are-young-people-ready-to-abandon-democracy
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They were talking about this on the radio this morning, If we don't remember are we doomed to repeat the past?
"While the report found that “three in four Canadians express satisfaction with democracy in Canada and the same proportion agrees that democracy is better than any other form of government,” only 39 per cent of Canadians aged 18 to 29 agree with the same statement, compared to 74 per cent of those above 60. Twenty-one per cent of young Canadians believe that it doesn’t matter whether a government is democratic or non-democratic, and 12 per cent agree an authoritarian government might be preferable under certain circumstances."
https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/grafton-are-young-people-ready-to-abandon-democracy
Just at look at down south... USA insurrection at the capital building..
Democracy not appreciated or respected...
Yet people still will vote Trump when given the chance...
The past is forgotten, nothing learned.
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Hey Darko.
I believe my duty is to help prevent further useless conflicts that end lives of innocent.
This is one statement that I can 100% totally agree with. My question for you is how do we go about doing that?
The war in the Balkans was a total mess. Even today the divisions that started that war exist and the potential for another war seems to be growing on a daily basis. How do we defuse those tensions? From your statements above, I presume the group that your family belonged to was supported in that war by the Russians, while the other side was supported by NATO. But you must admit that neither the Russians nor NATO started that war. I understand that you feel some gratitude towards Russia because of the support they gave you, and perhaps even loyalty, but do you really feel that the support they gave you in the past is enough for you to justify the Russians starting the war in Ukraine and, as you say, ending innocent lives there?
It's interesting that your family chose to come to a NATO country even after everything they experienced. Why didn't they go to Russia? I think it's because despite the support that Russia gave your group in the war, in the end, this NATO country was both economically and philosophically superior. And of course if they had chosen Russia, you personally would be killing innocents right now instead of taking engineering and fishing a lot.
You don't owe Russia anything.
So go ahead and live your life peacefully here while keeping in mind that the Balkans is still a powderkeg that could go up anytime. A new war there, whoever starts it, would send ripples all around the world.
Peace.
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They were talking about this on the radio this morning, If we don't remember are we doomed to repeat the past?
"While the report found that “three in four Canadians express satisfaction with democracy in Canada and the same proportion agrees that democracy is better than any other form of government,” only 39 per cent of Canadians aged 18 to 29 agree with the same statement, compared to 74 per cent of those above 60. Twenty-one per cent of young Canadians believe that it doesn’t matter whether a government is democratic or non-democratic, and 12 per cent agree an authoritarian government might be preferable under certain circumstances."
https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/grafton-are-young-people-ready-to-abandon-democracy
The list of insolvable problems seems to grow while demi-gods and would be autocrats offer simple solutions so it's little wonder a younger generation adopts a skeptical and complacent attitude. Yet it is self-fulfilling. In the US the republicans are, on the basis of how voters self identify, a minority party that mostly wins elections because they motivate base to get out and vote. Turn out is typically below 50% for major elections. It takes changes at all levels of government to make a difference yet turnouts in Canada are on the decline. The last Ontario Provincial election had a turn out of less than 50%. For local government elections in Canada turnouts are typically below 30%
we get the kind of government we deserve. People who don't vote don't get a voice, they are ignored. Politicians have learned the surest way to be re-elected is to focus on a responsive base of active, motivated voters.
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I, my self, an immigrant to this beautiful country of ours , meaning Canada .
I closely read and listen to the comments on this thread and it seems to me there is a lot of different point of views and potentially some anger there , in between .
I find it very disturbing , I have a hard time understanding why some individuals would develop such thinking , but at the same time I try to understand that there has been difficult times for all of us , and certain traumas in our upbringing , and those traumas have coused a particular point of view .
There is many factors to what a individual posts online , some just do it couse they want to disturb others , some do it couse they don’t know any better , some are influenced by others , some are just to young and havnt seen the world , some just think they are always right and it goes on …
But all these thoughts end up in a single forum discussion , where some don’t have the ability to see all these factors or many more that are behind the scenes , and then the worst comes out of it .
Then it all ends up public.
WHY ???
Because, we felt triggered to defend our selfs , or our believes , that are most likly brought on to us .
Anyways to not go on too far , Putting a poppy on or not , to me , every person is equal and a nother human being , that I’m glad to meet and learn from regardless of how he looks like and what colour he is .
Coming from Europe , and being a child of war , living in shelters for big part of my childhood , seeing the suffering of a bloody war I ve learned the hard way ,what survival is all about, and I’m only 40 today , I’ve seen people with out limbs , I’ve had closest family die , and I lived without seeing my father for 4 years not knowing if he was dead or alive , and watching my mother cry and pray every day ,while I took care of my younger brothers , I was fortunate enough Red Cross brought us food , and powder milk to feed children , so I know first hand ,WAR is not what we want in this world .
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The list of insolvable problems seems to grow while demi-gods and would be autocrats offer simple solutions so it's little wonder a younger generation adopts a skeptical and complacent attitude. Yet it is self-fulfilling. In the US the republicans are, on the basis of how voters self identify, a minority party that mostly wins elections because they motivate base to get out and vote. Turn out is typically below 50% for major elections. It takes changes at all levels of government to make a difference yet turnouts in Canada are on the decline. The last Ontario Provincial election had a turn out of less than 50%. For local government elections in Canada turnouts are typically below 30%
we get the kind of government we deserve. People who don't vote don't get a voice, they are ignored. Politicians have learned the surest way to be re-elected is to focus on a responsive base of active, motivated voters.
Trump killed the GOP the new Republican Party is an authoritarian party.
Atlest it’s not that bad in Canada but as seen by the poll we are not free of it.
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Nov!!
Anyone native to Canada and wearing a Poppy I truely understand and rESPECT
Anyone living in Canada by choice or elegibility re self or family, NOT , You and theirs have probably live a reasonable life style. NO? But so many argue and debate the point of just wearing a bloody Poppy!
You should be ashamed, for argueing your futile reasons. If not go back your your country of origin, Prob not Im not to mince words but i see it hear with some posts, ie yours Darko. Unbelievable.
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Nov!!
Anyone native to Canada and wearing a Poppy I truely understand and rESPECT
Anyone living in Canada by choice or elegibility re self or family, NOT , You and theirs have probably live a reasonable life style. NO? But so many argue and debate the point of just wearing a bloody Poppy!
You should be ashamed, for argueing your futile reasons. If not go back your your country of origin, Prob not Im not to mince words but i see it hear with some posts, ie yours Darko. Unbelievable.
Merry Christmas to you too. Sorry MY truth is not what you want to hear. Actually I couldn't care less, your narcissistic responses speak for themself. I will go on fishing my heart out and enjoying my life. I'm young and I have my whole life to prove I had a positive affect in this world. No thanks to you ;)
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you are able to do that in this country,prob no where else you speak of Digest what ive said, you stated no patritism to Canada for accepting you onto thisis country. WHAT. Look at what you said and i guess believe.
Dont5 hold any respect for you or your comments. U just dont get it.
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Nov!!
Anyone native to Canada and wearing a Poppy I truely understand and rESPECT
Anyone living in Canada by choice or elegibility re self or family, NOT , You and theirs have probably live a reasonable life style. NO? But so many argue and debate the point of just wearing a bloody Poppy!
You should be ashamed, for argueing your futile reasons. If not go back your your country of origin, Prob not Im not to mince words but i see it hear with some posts, ie yours Darko. Unbelievable.
Warning!!! Warning!!! You are virtue signaling at us again. Stop pushing your ideals and beliefs on other people.
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If not go back your your country of origin
Uhhhmmmm… Karen … plz STFU
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If not go back your your country of origin, Prob not Im not to mince words but i see it hear with some posts, ie yours Darko. Unbelievable.
Man... I don't get it. You emailed me telling me that I've convinced everyone that you're racist. I was going to spend some time to write up a response to make you feel better but then this?
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Who is a better citizen?
Someone wearing a poppy but doing absolutely nothing to help others around like veterans or even those in the community
OR
Someone who does help and contribute to society?
Like Darko mentioned, its through actions that you define being a good citizen and not words or being someone to impose your rights and wrongs
People who sacrificed their lives wanted the next generation to live in peace and prosperity...that was the whole point....
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https://en.wikipedia.org//wiki/Remembrance_poppy (https://en.wikipedia.org//wiki/Remembrance_poppy)
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Warning!!! Warning!!! You are virtue signaling at us again. Stop pushing your ideals and beliefs on other people.
https://i.imgur.com/FX8RXKX.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/FX8RXKX.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/FX8RXKX.jpg]https://i.imgur.com/FX8RXKX.jpg)
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there has been a lot of that going around for some time.
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I feel booters was posting after a few Canadian clubs. (Like a 40oz). :! Holy moly !!!!!
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Spread kindness not hate !!! How about the fishing !!!!!! Time to shut this one down maybe. 👀