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British Columbia Sport & Outdoor Lounge => Hunters' Cabin => Topic started by: IronNoggin on July 28, 2022, 01:44:16 PM
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Price List: Liberals Offer $1,337 to AR-15 Owners in Mass Gun Confiscations
https://thegunblog.ca/2022/07/28/price-list-liberals-offer-1337-to-ar-15-owners-in-mass-gun-confiscations/
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Alberta Blocks Trudeau’s Plan to Use RCMP as Gun-Confiscation Agents
https://thegunblog.ca/2022/09/26/alberta-blocks-trudeaus-plan-to-use-rcmp-as-gun-confiscation-agents/
Alberta won't participate in federal efforts to seize prohibited weapons, Shandro says
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-guns-federal-legislation-1.6596683
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Sask. government pulling money away from federal gun buyback
The Saskatchewan government is trying to put its foot down when it comes to guns.
In 2020, the federal government reclassified about 1,500 types of guns as prohibited and committed to implementing a buyback program. While there are indications that program is starting to be set up, Saskatchewan’s government is throwing up roadblocks.
According to the province’s chief firearms officer, Robert Freberg, the Ministry of Corrections, Policing and Public Safety sent a letter to the RCMP on Tuesday indicating the province supports anti-crime initiatives that focus on the issues related to the criminal use of firearms and that prevent gang violence and address illegal or smuggled guns.
“However, we do not support initiatives that will impact law-abiding, RCMP-vetted hunters, sport shooters, ranchers, farmers and others who use firearms for lawful and good purposes,” Freberg told Gormley on Wednesday.
Therefore, Freberg said the provincial government has decided it won’t allow the use of provincial funds to administer and enforce the buyback program, which Freberg called a confiscation program.
“We’re saying this isn’t a priority to use our taxpayers’ dollars,” said Freberg.
https://www.ckom.com/2022/09/28/sask-government-pulling-money-away-from-federal-gun-buyback/
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Manitoba joins the party! No Provincial Resources for Firearms Confiscations
September 29, 2022 by Web Admin Filed Under: CSSA Commentary, CSSA Special Reports
On September 28, Kelvin Goertzen, Manitoba Minister of Justice and Attorney General, joined Alberta and Saskatchewan in stating that provincially-funded and grossly understaffed RCMP personnel will not pander to the federal Liberal government’s virtue-signalling agenda.
“We feel many aspects of the federal approach to gun crimes unnecessarily target lawful gun owners,” Minister Goertzen wrote, “while having little impact on criminals, who are unlikely to follow gun regulations in any event.
“In Manitoba’s view, any buy-back program cannot further erode precious provincial police resources, already suffering from large vacancy rates, from focusing on investigation of violent crime.”
Three provinces in three days are now on record stating they want their province’s contracted RCMP members focused on investigating violent crimes and the criminals who commit them, not playing collection agents for the Liberal government.
“We will be bringing these concerns,” Minister Goertzen wrote, “along with the shared concern of Saskatchewan and Alberta, directly to the federal government next month in meetings of Ministers of Justice and Ministers of Public Safety.”
Saskatchewan Public Safety Minister Christine Tell, Alberta Justice Minister Tyler Shandro and Manitoba Justice Minister Kelvin Goertzen are unequivocal in their positions.
Provincially-funded RCMP personnel and resources will not be removed from the very real job of protecting and defending public safety in order to pander to the Liberal government’s latest “gun control” whim.
These three provinces clearly comprehend what Justin Trudeau and his Liberal ship of fools do not: Focusing on federally-licensed, RCMP-vetted firearm owners while ignoring violent repeat offenders is ridiculous – deserving of ridicule – and will not be tolerated.
The CSSA thanks Minister Kelvin Goertzen and the entire Manitoba government for their forward thinking, hard work and dedication on behalf of the firearms owners of Manitoba.
The West is grateful for your support.
https://cssa-cila.org/manitoba-joins-the-party-no-provincial-resources-for-firearms-confiscations/
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QTCE_mc-xg
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Legislative Assembly Urges Liberals Not To Use Resources For Firearms Confiscation
WHITEHORSE – A Yukon Party Official Opposition motion urging the Yukon government to ensure RCMP resources are not used to enforce the federal government’s gun confiscation program has passed.
The Yukon Legislative Assembly adopted the motion Wednesday afternoon with the support of Yukon Party and Yukon NDP MLAs.
The motion passed by the Legislative Assembly reads:
THAT this House urges the Yukon government to ensure that territorial policing resources are not diverted to assist in the implementation of the Government of Canada’s gun “buy-back” program.
“The National Police Federation, which is the union representing RCMP members, has made it clear that the Trudeau government’s Order in Council prohibiting various firearms and the ‘buy-back’ program will divert police resources away from dealing with organized crime,” Cathers said. “RCMP members said the federal Liberal government’s firearms measures actually divert important personnel and resources from where they are needed most. We are happy the motion passed, and hope the territorial government will respect the will of the Yukon Legislative Assembly.”
https://www.yukonpartycaucus.ca/legislative_assembly_urges_liberals_not_to_use_resources_for_firearms_confiscation
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New Brunswick Now IN:
Ministers from four provinces oppose use of police resources for gun buyback
Justice and public safety ministers from four provinces called on the federal government to halt its plans to use RCMP and police resources during the coming confiscation of banned firearms.
According to the provincial government, ministers from Saskatchewan, Alberta, Manitoba and New Brunswick oppose the move, saying police resources are scarce and should be used to improve public safety rather than to “confiscate legally acquired firearms.” Instead, the ministers argued, gun crime should be fought through tighter border security, and by cracking down on smuggling and illegal firearms trafficking.
The four provinces also jointly called on the federal government to “ensure that no funding for the Guns and Gang Violence Action Fund or other public safety initiatives be diverted to the federal firearms confiscation program.”
“While we fully support crime initiatives that focus on the issues related to the criminal use of illegal firearms, preventing and combatting gang violence and addressing the issue of illegal or smuggled guns in our province, we don’t support those that impact law abiding hunters, sport shooters, ranchers, farmers and Indigenous people who use firearms for lawful and good reasons,” Saskatchewan Justice Minister Bronwyn Eyre and Corrections, Policing and Public Safety Minister Christine Tell said in a joint statement.
Their comments were echoed in a statement by Kirk Austin, New Brunswick’s minister of public safety.
“New Brunswick’s bottom line is this: RCMP resources are spread thin as it is,” Austin said.
“We have made it clear to the Government of Canada that we cannot condone any use of those limited resources, at all, in their planned buyback program.”
https://northeastnow.com/2022/10/14/ministers-from-four-provinces-oppose-use-of-police-resources-for-gun-buyback/
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Regina police chief says many questions still unanswered about federal gun buyback
By around this time next year, the Canadian government plans to be implementing its ban on all assault-style firearms.
In order to get those guns off the streets, the government wants to buy the weapons back from their owners.
Currently, there is an amnesty period in place until Oct. 30, 2023.
An amnesty period is designed to protect individuals and businesses who, at the time the prohibition came into force, were in lawful possession of a newly prohibited firearm from criminal liability while they take steps to comply with the law.
Regina Police Service Chief Evan Bray is helping chair a firearms committee with the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police.
Speaking to Gormley on Wednesday, Bray said it was unlikely the feds will be able to get everything in place to buy back the guns by Oct. 30 next year.
“I was just informed on a call the other day that it is (more like) 2,000 styles of firearms that are going to be included in this ban. That in and of itself gets very complicated because you’re looking at characteristics of the firearms,” Bray said.
“I think it’s very safe to say we’re a long ways from rolling this out. I know they say they want to have this wrapped up by the end of October 2023, (but) I just don’t see that happening. They still don’t really have a plan about how this is going to roll out.”
https://panow.com/2022/10/19/regina-police-chief-says-many-questions-still-unanswered-about-federal-gun-buyback/
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Mendicino Cares More About Drug Dealers than Your Family’s Safety
When political considerations drive government policy, the results are always disastrous for ordinary Canadians.
If Marco Mendicino actually cared about the safety of Canadians, he would plug the revolving door in our justice system that sees violent criminals arrested repeatedly for serious crimes – include violating Firearm Prohibition Orders – only to be released so they can commit more crimes.
This is a serious public safety issue we’ve raised regularly with this government, only to be ignored.
Neither Mendicino nor any of his Liberal predecessors have lifted a finger to stop this madness.
They don’t dare, because this Liberal government depends upon the ongoing violence committed by these criminals to keep uninformed voters scared. As we’ve learned, a terrified population will accept any measure, no matter how absurd, so long as it promises that most beloved of all unicorns, safety.
Mendicino uses the tragic deaths caused by violent criminals, drug dealers and gang members to perpetuate his government’s lie.
“If we take guns away from law-abiding Canadians, criminals will stop shooting up Canadian streets. We promise!”
In a land of Liberal unicorns and fairy dust, maybe, but not here on Planet Earth where more government regulation didn’t prevent 1,791 convicted criminals from violating their existing Firearm Prohibition Orders in 2021.
Nor will it stop the estimated 1,853 convicted criminals who will violate their Firearm Prohibition Orders by the end of this year.
It is to Canada’s eternal shame that our Liberal Prime Minister and successive Ministers of Public Safety are, like a horse with blinders on, focused on the only thing they can see: more votes from uninformed Canadians.
Keeping Canadians safe never enters their minds, beyond their use of the phrase to distort reality to suit their self-serving agenda.
Their endless, deceitful virtue signalling on firearms notwithstanding, confiscating lawfully-possessed firearms from licensed Canadian gun owners will never stop violent criminals, drug dealers and gang members from shooting innocent people in our major cities.
You don’t solve a problem by ignoring it.
You solve a problem by dealing with it, no matter how difficult or how politically unpopular it may be.
It’s called behaving with integrity – an ideal our political class has long forgotten.
The sooner all Canadians wake up to this stark reality, the better off we all will be.
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Police chiefs urge Ottawa not to rely on forces to oversee gun buyback program
Canadian police chiefs are urging the federal government not to rely on resource-strapped police forces to carry out a planned gun buyback.
Regina Police Chief Evan Bray, appearing at a House of Commons committee on behalf of the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police, says the buyback will be an administrative process involving a massive amount of work.
Bray told MPs that police are already overstretched and lack the resources to administer the buyback program.
https://globalnews.ca/news/9231421/canadian-police-chiefs-gun-buyback-program/
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But the legally licensed and daily vetted legal owners are the problem??
Really? ::)
Repeat Firearm Prohibition Order Offenders for 4 weeks ending October 29, 2022
In the past 4 weeks, 70 repeat offenders arrested for other crimes were also charged with 141 counts of breaching Firearm Prohibition Orders.
https://dennisryoung.ca/2022/10/30/repeat-firearm-prohibition-order-offenders-for-4-weeks-ending-october-29-2022/
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Another Related Court Win. These are starting to stack up...
Court Win: Judge Orders Details of RCMP’s ‘Nullifications,’ Says They Are Revocations
Canadian gun owners won a major victory in the Ontario Superior Court of Justice today, advancing their fight against Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s mass criminalizations and confiscations begun in May 2020.
Disclosure Order
Justice Antonio Skarica of the Ontario Superior Court of Justice ordered details of the RCMP’s unprecedented and unheard of “nullifications” of firearm-registration certificates in 2020, and equated them to revocations.
Why It Matters
Today’s ruling is the second case gun owners have won in higher courts, compared to zero for Trudeau.
It expands the type of evidence that a provincial judge may order from the government in future hearings under Section 74 of the federal Firearms Act.
The victory was won by five gun owners who represented themselves in court without a lawyer.
Context
Trudeau’s governing Liberal Party and the RCMP have so far refused to disclose details of their “nullifications,” both in court and in responding to questions from TheGunBlog.ca
The RCMP invented the tactic to help Trudeau confiscate popular rifles and shotguns from hundreds of thousands of government-licensed owners.
Trudeau has no idea or plan for how to execute his crackdown. He failed to complete it by his April 2022 deadline and will probably fail again.
https://thegunblog.ca/2022/11/03/court-win-judge-orders-details-of-rcmps-nullifications-dismisses-secrecy-request/?mc_cid=044c9d0821&mc_eid=UNIQID
This is but one of the Courts that the liberals refused to release specifically directed requests for information from. The Judges have all right to be PO'd at them. This time, this one DEMANDED they produce the information. Period. Full Stop.
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What has materially changed?
The Stipulations on a Revocation are explicitly detailed in the Act, and the nullifications did not meet those Stipulations. Period. Full Stop. It was simply a poorly designed introduction to try and get around the related legal issues.
The Judge has now called that out.
So now, either we all get revocation letters.... to which we can all file Section 74 contests to (opening that door up to a huge number that can & will tie up the courts for years, allowing those who do so to retain their personal property until such time as the individual cases are decided), or the Judge finds the government in contempt.
How do you figure the balance of the case might proceed if they attempt to end run the court once again?
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The decision regarding the judicial review of the May 1, 2020 OIC (Order in Council) Prohibiting 1500 plus named firearms is still pending.
Is this an attempt to influence the outcome of the decision?
This move is entirely inappropriate for the Liberals to make prior to Justice Kane's court decision...
Mendicino announces first step of firearm buyback program, targeting industry
Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino says Ottawa has taken its first step toward launching its firearms buyback program, beginning with industry.
Mendicino said at a news conference this morning that the government has signed a contract with the Canadian Sporting Arms and Ammunition Association to work with businesses and retailers that currently hold inventory prohibited under a May 2020 order-in-council.
The association Mendicino named in his announcement tweeted during the minister's remarks that it remains "skeptical" of this industry buyback program, citing concerns about a lack of implementation process.
The second phase of the buyback program is expected to aim to target individual firearms owners, who currently have amnesty under an order that is set to expire in October.
https://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/423383/Mendicino-announces-first-step-of-firearm-buyback-program-targeting-industry
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Justin Trudeau’s Great Canadian Gun Confiscation
There’s no market, only one buyer, and participation is mandatory
When governments take private property, such takings are usually done to carry out some larger public project — like building roads and other infrastructure. Unlike property seizures of the past, the Trudeau Liberals’ gun confiscation (“buyback”) isn’t supporting some larger project for the benefit of the public. It’s a confiscation of private property for the sake of fulfilling a platform point.
They can argue that gun confiscation addresses a public safety issue, but the evidence doesn’t support this. As gun expert Tim Thurley wrote in the National Post last month, the gun control measures that do make a difference for public safety have been in place in Canada for the past 30 years — including licensing, safe storage requirements and background checks. Meanwhile, a substantial body of research shows that bans for specific types of guns don’t work.
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/shameless-liberal-gun-grab-wont-make-us-safer
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Mendicino’s Dumpster Fire, Part #62 (SECU)
On Tuesday afternoon, Minister Marco Mendicino appeared before the House of Commons Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security (SECU).
Rumours said Mendicino would introduce new amendments to Bill C-21, or at least introduce an “evergreen” definition of “assault-style firearms”. He did neither.
Conservative MPs Raquel Dancho (Kildonan—St. Paul, MB), Dane Lloyd (Sturgeon River—Parkland, AB) and Glen Motz (Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB) came prepared for this meeting, unlike the Minister or his staff.
Raquel Dancho
“How common is it now to sentence someone to 10 years, the current maximum?” Ms. Dancho asked.
“I’ve worked on the front lines of the criminal justice system as a federal prosecutor,” Mendicino pontificated, “I will tell you that I have confidence in the judiciary to exercise good judgment when it comes to making sure that we separate those gun traffickers from our communities when we need to do so.”
Apparently the judiciary doesn’t believe that we have a need to “separate those gun traffickers from our communities.”
“Since the liberals formed government in 2015,” Ms. Dancho said, “not one person has been awarded the current 10-year maximum sentence.”
Minister Mendicino’s office was the source of her information.
Dane Lloyd
“In the case of the Portapique killer,” asked Dane Lloyd, “how would a gun ban have prevented somebody who smuggled firearms and didn’t have a license from possessing these firearms?”
Mendicino sputtered a non-answer.
“Minister, I had a direct question for you,” Lloyd said, cutting him off. “How would a gun ban have prevented the Portapique killer from accessing illegally smuggled firearms without a license?”
“The short answer,” Mendicino said, “is that by putting in place a ban, we reduce the possibility and the likelihood of there being any of these types of firearms in our communities.”
FACT: Three of the killer’s four illegal guns were smuggled into Canada by the killer.
But Mr. Lloyd wasn’t finished.
“Given that the killer was in possession of illegal firearms without a license, how could a ban, if they're not being enforced, if the police – who knew that the Portapique killer had access to illegal firearms and weren't acting – how would a ban do anything to prevent criminals from accessing firearms?”
Mendicino sputtered more Trudeau-esque nonsense before fleeing the Committee. Assistant Deputy Minister Talal Dakalbab picked up where his Minister left off.
“Can manufacturers legally import and distribute firearms in Canada without the approval of the RCMP and classification?” Dane Lloyd asked.
“If the gun that is manufactured in Canada,” replied Dakalbab, “they don't require to verify with the RCMP to verify the classification.”
Dane Lloyd asked the question about importing firearms again, and received another answer about guns manufactured in Canada from Assistant Deputy Minister Dakalbab.
RCMP “has no evidence” and “does not track that information”
Dane Lloyd then spoke to the 10,000 joule muzzle energy prohibition that bans very expensive antique firearms used for hunting big game.
“Do you have any evidence,” Mr. Lloyd asked, “that these particular [antique] firearms that have been used for hunting purposes have been used to commit crimes in Canada that would justify their inclusion on this list?”
“We don't have any evidence. We do not have that information,” said RCMP Deputy Commissioner Bryan Larkin.
“Commissioner Larkin, in 2021, that [StatsCan] study determined that a long gun, a rifle, or a shotgun, was involved or was present at 0.47% of all violent crimes,” Dane Lloyd stated.
“Out of that percentage, 0.47%, how many of those would be classified as an assault-style firearm?”
“We do not track that information, so we'd have to actually go back and do some homework and, uh, we could attempt to respond to that, but we don't have that information available,” said Deputy Commissioner Larkin.
Glen Motz
“Did anyone on this committee provide the minister or the Ministry of Public Safety,” asked Glen Motz, “with any documentation or evidence that C-21’s proposed [changes] were actually going to make a difference, a positive difference on public safety in this country? Was there any evidence to support it?”
“It is important to bear in mind from my perspective as a policy wonk, if you wish,” Dakalbab said, “is that the bill is really a step among any many other pillars that are important. And I do believe that Bill C-21 is one of the steps, but not the full spectrum.”
“Well, I would disagree with that assessment and I can,” said Glen Motz. “I don't see, and I've never seen, anyone produce any credible evidence that suggests that going after law abiding Canadian firearm owners will have any positive impact on public safety.
“We are all, everyone in this committee, all of the country, including the millions of firearm owners, are concerned and support the idea of improving public safety. This bill does not do that. And we've had witnesses at this committee who we thought would be very strong on aspects of the bill. They have said quite the opposite.”
The Liberal dumpster-fire that is Bill C-21 continues to burn and nobody, not even Marco Mendicino, seems interested in putting out that fire.
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Jagmeet Singh’s NDP slammed by top gun control group over backtracking on firearms promises, amplifying ‘disinformation’
OTTAWA — The federal NDP has rejected a top gun control advocacy group’s scathing assessment that the New Democrats fed into “disinformation” clouding the Liberal government’s firearms bill and have all but abandoned their support of an assault-style weapons ban.
Representatives from two groups calling for stricter gun control measures released a searing letter Monday morning accusing NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh and his party of backtracking on its election promises and politicizing the issue for its own gain.
The missive was penned by PolySeSouvient’s Nathalie Provost, who survived the 1989 shooting at Montreal’s École Polytechnique, and Ken Price of Danforth Families for Safe Communities, which was created after 2018’s mass shooting on the Danforth.
“Such disingenuous, vague and noncommittal positioning has tainted the NDP’s stance on gun control since Jack Layton became leader in 2003,” the missive reads.
https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2023/04/24/jagmeet-singhs-ndp-slammed-by-top-gun-control-group-over-backtracking-on-firearms-promises-amplifying-disinformation.html