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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: Flytech on October 30, 2014, 12:33:15 PM
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So this guy has come up in a few conversations on this site an others. Without saying to much outside the topic, take a look at his posts, comments, and general attitude. Tell me what you think?
https://www.facebook.com/FishingVedder
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" Slow Clap "
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What is this thing Facebook ? :)
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I don't understand peoples need to saturate the social market with more and more redundant pages.
Narcissism or monetary gain I suspect.
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Have a feeling the people in his videos didnt fully understand or were told something different then what he did.
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The "stuck up kid" who's pic he has posted looks a lot like one of the (awesome) guys at Pacific Angler. I could see why he would not want to be in these videos.
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X2 on seeing why the "stuck up kid" would not want to be in the video.
If it is M_X from P.A. he's a great young guy who seems nothing but an ethical angler that I have overheard him trying to teach newbies in the shop how to properly fish who for obvious reasons would not want to be associated with the BB guy's video.
Good on you "Stuck up kid", stick to your good ethics
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This guys arrogance is astounding.
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This guys arrogance is astounding.
For a big guy like him to pick on a nice young guy half his size just for not wanting to be associated with him it shows the guys true colours
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I for one think M _ x is a fantastic young man.
Internet bullying is not acceptable, remember this always.
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I for one think M _ x is a fantastic young man.
Internet bullying is not acceptable, remember this always.
+1
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For a big guy like him to pick on a nice young guy half his size just for not wanting to be associated with him it shows the guys true colours
The worst part is, he thinks he is in the right.
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Looks like he's edited out the "stuck up kid" part. Anyone have a link?
Also not very good fish handling technique
see 12:20 mark of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hirwKoM1_pY
he holds up a moldy old chinook hooked in the gut by the gills then carries it around while he adjusts the camera.
plus you gotta chuckle at his commentary on his foul-hooked spring :
"this was the biggest fish of the day... Another spring, had lots of fight in it... and it took me a few minutes to bring it in, but it was an enjoyable fight and this is what sportsfishing is all about."
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He's an Igmon...
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Now that we are all on this topic...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JFKIKFkJ4A
Watch this video, specifically after about 3:40. It is of the guy filming his girlfriend cross the river in her track pants and shirt.
If it was up to her knees, whatever. Waist... yeah, maybe if the flow was about walking speed.
But up to her armpits in swift moving water? Come on!!! She wades across a swift moving section of the river and bails at about 4:22. During the time I spent watching this my jaw hit the floor and stayed there... I would never allow my worst enemy to attempt that.
That is ridiculously dangerous and could have ended terribly. There are always a few fishing-related deaths each year...
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Now that we are all on this topic...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JFKIKFkJ4A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JFKIKFkJ4A)
Watch this video, specifically after about 3:40. It is of the guy filming his girlfriend cross the river in her track pants and shirt.
If it was up to her knees, whatever. Waist... yeah, maybe if the flow was about walking speed.
But up to her armpits in swift moving water? Come on!!! She wades across a swift moving section of the river and bails at about 4:22. During the time I spent watching this my jaw hit the floor and stayed there... I would never allow my worst enemy to attempt that.
That is ridiculously dangerous and could have ended terribly. There are always a few fishing-related deaths each year...
Not to mention this is in October, and now she might be near hypothermic after that bail.
Also the fish she caught and was cleaning was dark as fudge! Gross.
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With the risk of getting jumped on here…
But when I first got into fishing as a newbie fishing gear, there were trips where I will see all these other "fishermen" land fish after fish using unnecessarily long leaders and huge sweeping hook sets. I was fortunate enough to have friends who are ethical fishermen and was taught proper fishing techniques/ethics. Thinking back, without them I would be one of these "fishermen" whom you all laugh about. Impervious of what's right or wrong.
When I watched the above mentioned videos, I see an enthusiastic angler who wants to share his passion but unfortunately doesn't know any better. In the first video, you can see him attempt to C&R while holding the fish by the gills. Now my first reaction was WTF? Then I asked myself, what if he doesn't know any better? I've seen lots of people abuse fish on river systems and was refreshing to see someone not beaching a fish or kicking them back (sad commentary… I know). Maybe a better approach for us is to try to educate him on proper C&R technique without resorting to public lashing? I would imagine that the message would be better received and the potential of him relying correct information to his viewership would have a more positive result.
Just thinking out loud.
PS. Agree that the lady crossing was pretty dangerous.
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With the risk of getting jumped on here…
But when I first got into fishing as a newbie fishing gear, there were trips where I will see all these other "fishermen" land fish after fish using unnecessarily long leaders and huge sweeping hook sets. I was fortunate enough to have friends who are ethical fishermen and was taught proper fishing techniques/ethics. Thinking back, without them I would be one of these "fishermen" whom you all laugh about. Impervious of what's right or wrong.
When I watched the above mentioned videos, I see an enthusiastic angler who wants to share his passion but unfortunately doesn't know any better. In the first video, you can see him attempt to C&R while holding the fish by the gills. Now my first reaction was WTF? Then I asked myself, what if he doesn't know any better? I've seen lots of people abuse fish on river systems and was refreshing to see someone not beaching a fish or kicking them back (sad commentary… I know). Maybe a better approach for us is to try to educate him on proper C&R technique without resorting to public lashing? I would imagine that the message would be better received and the potential of him relying correct information to his viewership would have a more positive result.
Just thinking out loud.
PS. Agree that the lady crossing was pretty dangerous.
Rusty,
I took that approach at first, If you've read some of my other threads, I'm usually the first one to help out anglers who I see using less than savoury methods. The problem with this guy is, many people have told him and he refutes their efforts and begins to bad mouth them.
He sees the naysayers are "just jealous". Now of course not everyone is trying to do this nicely, but you would think he might start to get the message when he sees so many people telling him he's doing things wrong.
Watch his videos, he calls out people, he threatens that he's going to share their personal information to the world via his facebook page etc.
This guy doesn't seem to understand a mere change in his attitude and technique might make him a better angler, and not just that but a better public persona. He is very caught up in being "the guy" and gets his kicks from the positive feedback, but does not listen to the overwhelming negative feedback.
He deletes so many comments you're not seeing the whole picture.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1563603737196254&set=vb.1541391062750855&type=3&theater Not sure if this link works, he deleted it off YouTube and inky left it on his Facebook page.
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lol... Respect is earned and goes both ways. :)
This is a comment he left in one of our videos two years ago.
"you must be Chinese or Asian dude No o fence but your lack of understanding of simple logic tells me you are defiantly Asian of some sort"
Enough said.
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Wow. I can't even.
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lol... Respect is earned and go both ways. :)
This is a comment he left in one of our videos two years ago.
"you must be Chinese or Asian dude No o fence but your lack of understanding of simple logic tells me you are defiantly Asian of some sort"
Enough said.
Point taken. Didn't know all the history as I thought his FB blog was recently set up. Didn't have a whole lot of time or inclination to look through his posts. Carry on with the lynching! ;D
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He has "a very sophisticated program that tracks where these comments are coming from".
That's OK I have a tinfoil hat that blocks those programs.
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He has "a very sophisticated program that tracks where these comments are coming from".
That's OK I have a tinfoil hat that blocks those programs.
This ^ Made me laugh, thanks...
Btw to keep the topic on track, the guy is a joke. He doesn't ever take advice of others, and will criticize and whine until he gets his way every time. He's not a good angler, and I feel sorry for the people taking his advice off his page. If they want a water report they can go to Fred's page. Fishing advice, anywhere except that guy is a good place to start.
In one of his videos, I almost threw up watching him eat those eggs out of the fish right on the river... I guess he doesn't know that they eggs and all other organs are the most likely to contain parasites/worms. Guess he will do anything to get youtube famous....
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lol... Respect is earned and go both ways. :)
This is a comment he left in one of our videos two years ago.
"you must be Chinese or Asian dude No o fence but your lack of understanding of simple logic tells me you are defiantly Asian of some sort"
Enough said.
If you were "defiantly" Asian we would need subtitles as you would not be speaking English ;D
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I forgot about his eating the roe right from the salmon.
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He has "a very sophisticated program that tracks where these comments are coming from".
That's OK I have a tinfoil hat that blocks those programs.
Try this style and be sure to connect the proper end to the computer screen.
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t82/Willy1956/stock-footage-crazy-young-man-with-a-tinfoil-hat-watching-a-tv-tuned-with-fuzzy-reception-probably-seeing-aliens_zpsdc16c9fa.jpg) (http://s158.photobucket.com/user/Willy1956/media/stock-footage-crazy-young-man-with-a-tinfoil-hat-watching-a-tv-tuned-with-fuzzy-reception-probably-seeing-aliens_zpsdc16c9fa.jpg.html)
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I watched that video, just where is Sleesy creek? I know where Slesse Creek is and I know where the boundary is below the hatchery. ;D
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see 12:20 mark of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hirwKoM1_pY
In the comments
Snagging salmon DELIBERATELY is not cool but float fishing does not prevent snagging unintentionally in any way whatsoever . Salmon ( when swimming up river ) VERY VERY VERY rarely will "CHASE" a lure to bite it. However they are in a defence mode all the time and when a lure gets close to them they will attack it in anger. Like a bear will attack someone getting close to there cubs this is a built in instinct . When the fish are travelling in mass schools and darting up and back and forth MANY salmon will run into a hook and get foul hooked It is BAD to cut the line and leave a hook and line in the fish Play it out Un hook it and realise it is best .float fishing verses snagging is a impossible comparison I have watched MORE salmon being snagged with a float then without and always un intentional Unfortunately those who think otherwise are followers of a FALSE and quit arrogant dictation from anal opinionated narrow minds Sorry and unfortunate to say :( Remember Salmon DO NOT FEED when swimming up to spawn They will bite a lure that gets " In their face " especially when shooting cloudy rapid waters .
lol… so painful to read.
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Very sorry to bring this up As I'm trying very hard to keep this sight family friendly and positive However I am being CONSTANTLY bombarded with childish hater comments on here for no reason at all.( I delete them ) I have tried posting the people pics and so forth that are doing this in hopes that it would stop But... Then other people only see me as a bully because they don't see the unprovoked abuse they sent to my mail box.. So without brining this up again I am just sending a message NOW to say ANYONE POSTING RUDE DISRESPECTFUL OR HATING COMMENTS WILL BE BAN AND BLOCKED FROM SEEING THIS PAGE and using this page as well as be blocked from the youtube channel as well when nasty comments are made there. I hope this is the last time I have to mention it It is SUPPOSED to be 100% positive fun and useful page NOT a sight to vent all peoples anger issues. Thank you to all of those who enjoy this page for what its meant to be and good luck fishing. Please keep up the fun and positive smiling attitudes it will always bring you good karma in life For those who think and accuse the unfortunate common occurrence of unintentional foul hooking as DELIBERATE I would like to recommend a large dose of Ex-Lax to relieve your anal retention It might make fishing more enjoyable and fun for you .
Well I was hoping after enough comments Mr. Ken Wiesner might wake up but it's pretty clear that is not going to happen soon.
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He has "a very sophisticated program that tracks where these comments are coming from".
That's OK I have a tinfoil hat that blocks those programs.
Haha he "outted" the YouTube channel of Screemingreals... Lol thats def some real sofistacated program seeing how it shows anyone reading comments who posted it, I do have to say tho the fact this guy can even read makes him way more sofistacated then I would have ever thought in the first place. Oh and does anyone know where I can pick up a pair of the Simms breathable jogging wadders he sports? Or the new gore tex wife/coho/chum/spring beater?
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He thinks that being told that he is doing thing wrong is hateful speech. He has banned me from commenting anymore. I just want to meet with the guy, sit him down and have a discussion in hopes that he can understand why he's getting this type of reaction. He can't be too smart if it's not clicking by now, and the worst part is he's not willing to learn. He just thinks he's doing things right, and everyone else that is commenting are just haters.
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Well I was hoping after enough comments Mr. Ken Wiesner might wake up but it's pretty clear that is not going to happen soon.
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I am really hoping to see him on the river one day and strike up a conversation.
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see 12:20 mark of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hirwKoM1_pY
he holds up a moldy old chinook hooked in the gut by the gills then carries it around while he adjusts the camera.
I think people and stuff like this are best avoided. Carrying around a live fish like that (haven't watched it myself & don't intend to) - even if it is fair hooked is cruel and it is illegal. I hope someone passes his page to DFO for their follow up.
I wouldn't approach this guy on the river - it's asking for trouble.
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I wouldn't approach this guy on the river - it's asking for trouble.
I think it would be fine, but I also like trouble.
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Now that we are all on this topic...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JFKIKFkJ4A
Watch this video, specifically after about 3:40. It is of the guy filming his girlfriend cross the river in her track pants and shirt.
If it was up to her knees, whatever. Waist... yeah, maybe if the flow was about walking speed.
But up to her armpits in swift moving water? Come on!!! She wades across a swift moving section of the river and bails at about 4:22. During the time I spent watching this my jaw hit the floor and stayed there... I would never allow my worst enemy to attempt that.
That is ridiculously dangerous and could have ended terribly. There are always a few fishing-related deaths each year...
She's lucky. What is even more disappointing is that Mr. Wiesner acted more like a cheerleader watching her cross the river at that location rather than trying to educate her about crossing safely....but I guess it would be the blind leading the blind.
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I think it would be fine, but I also like trouble.
Thanks for posting this Flytech, I can't hear what he has to say, but judging by how he cares for the fish, he's an idiot for sharing videos and I'm surprised that this has gone on long enough without any consequence from DFO?
Now that we are all on this topic...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JFKIKFkJ4A
Watch this video, specifically after about 3:40. It is of the guy filming his girlfriend cross the river in her track pants and shirt.
If it was up to her knees, whatever. Waist... yeah, maybe if the flow was about walking speed.
But up to her armpits in swift moving water? Come on!!! She wades across a swift moving section of the river and bails at about 4:22. During the time I spent watching this my jaw hit the floor and stayed there... I would never allow my worst enemy to attempt that.
That is ridiculously dangerous and could have ended terribly. There are always a few fishing-related deaths each year...
Without a doubt, that's completely idiotic! Don't show the kids at home...
(http://file:///Users/davidmcgregor/Downloads/facepalmpicardriker.jpg)
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Well I did look at the video and thought of making a comment via Facebook but I'd rather he didn't know my full name. As for looking for trouble. Scott/Speyfitter had an interesting experience many years back though people at that time told him to be cautious. Even those with appropriate training often find they have bitten off more than they can chew...'fools rush in...'
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I made a comment of the one where he holds up that snagged male Chinook with milt coming out....
I used a junk email and took the educating approach. So far no response.
He must be "fishing"
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This guy is a chump...in one of his videos, he discourages people from reporting illegal activities on the river because he considers it being a 'rat'...and in another video it shows him fishing off a spawning bed which i believe is illegal...if anyone should be banned from posting on youtube it should be him.
He has no clue...poor technique, poor fish handling, and lack of relevant information that can help new fishers.
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I made a comment of the one where he holds up that snagged male Chinook with milt coming out....
I used a junk email and took the educating approach. So far no response.
He must be "fishing"
Just updating, nothing yet
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He also has a rant video about how BC hydro killed his fishtank full of trout. Gonna go out on a limb and say another violation occurred.
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You are welcome for the report I am sorry but that information is protected very carefully The purpose of these videos is to show the fishing conditions on the Vedder river Not to give away un crowded secluded spots so 500 people show up there every day ruin it for every buddy Sorry :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hirwKoM1_pY
Ah yes, the Vedder,....the last pristine, secluded area to fish in the province. Thanks for doing your part, Ken. Obviously, posting numerous fishing reports about the river doesn't attract any attention.
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He also has a rant video about how BC hydro killed his fishtank full of trout. Gonna go out on a limb and say another violation occurred.
Where is this video?
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Yep, Ken respects fish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPQKLTbMqg0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCKTP5f0cqw
Where is this video?
Here are em trout.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i36pRKeUf_o
lol...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUxQSFzEzqI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUdabFf9S8Q
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Normally places that deal with culturing trout and salmon like Federal and FFSBC hatcheries have backup, generator power and alarms in the event of power outage. Guys like Ken who wish to keep fish like pets should understand the risk they take when they don't have an alternative power source. The video does the opposite that Ken intended it for....It actually shows that the BC Hydro spokesman providing the appropriate response with Ken not listening. Donkey.
Well, at least he is teaching his pit bulls catch and release after they dig their jaws into them leaving them bleeding. Good job, Ken.
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Ken wrote "Do to the recent comments showing complete lack of self education and knowledge about the behaviour of salmon as they migrate upstream it is now agonisingly obvious where all the bad attitudes and judgement are coming from EPIC levels of passionate conflict over things they KNOW NOTHING ABOUT apparently So I wonder if these people are going to be SO ARROGANT that they wont even take a moment to read a little about the biology of a salmon on its upstream run?? READ and learn please and thank you At this link
http://www.fws.gov/species/species_accounts/bio_salm.html (http://www.fws.gov/species/species_accounts/bio_salm.html)"
I replied and wanted it posted here before he deletes it.
"There is no way I am thinking I'm a guru on salmon knowledge, but I do take the time to read both sides of the topic at hand and I decipher my opinion based on experience and what I learned. Ken, lets think a bit here... You're basing this rude reply which is aimed at our intelligence. You're finding this information via the internet. You're quoting a paper that was citing information from the 90's, and other non-scientific sources. I would like to discuss this with you without insulting you any further, and I wish you do the same. Read this recent study from Michigan State University in 2012: http://msue.anr.msu.edu/news/amazing_revelation_some_pacific_salmon_do_feed_during_spawning_runLets (http://msue.anr.msu.edu/news/amazing_revelation_some_pacific_salmon_do_feed_during_spawning_runLets) also think ourselves a bit, I'm not sure if you've done much salmon fishing outside the Vedder system or not. I'm also not sure what different catching methods you've tried. But explain to me why coho salmon will take a roe offering ever so lightly that it barely moves the float? It's not an aggressive attach but more of a feeding type action. Explain to me why using bait (such as roe) is a much more effective way of catching fish than lure fishing?Why are you so focused on proving us wrong, instead of listening, discussing, and working it out like adults?So even if you're study is correct, and Salmon don't actually feed, but they attack offerings in an aggressive manor. What's the point there then? That flossing/snagging is ok because they don't feed? You get so much negative feedback, because people don't know how to express their feelings correctly. They would rather just bash you than talk with you. Again, I really applaud your enthusiasm for fishing! It's awesome you want to make these videos and I wish you success. But I do wish you listen to the message behind a lot of the feedback, that the public would like you to improve your method of fishing, and catch and release practices."
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Wow. I'm truly speechless. Someone needs to notify DFO on those dogs.
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Flytech as far the mostly non-issue do Pacific Salmon feed once they commence their spawning run. For the most part they do not in the sense they don't eat, swallow and digest food items for sustenance as they did before. I've cleaned hundreds of salmon over many years and only once or twice found any stomach contents - only in jack coho salmon all of it undigested. Apparently, so I have read (and sorry if my obtaining knowledge from reading insults anyone's intelligence ) salmon on returning to fresh water no longer produce the stomach liquids necessary to digest food and for the most part regurgitate whatever they swallow. There's bound to be exceptions among tens of millions of salmon returning to rivers every year on both sides of the Pacific and in the Great Lakes.
Fortunately many do exhibit both a conditioned feeding response -thought by many anglers to be a reemergence of behaviours they required during their juvenile fresh water period - often called the imprint theory IIRC - which explains why coho take small wet flies - they remember eating caddis and sticklebacks etc. Likewise some anglers think salmon eat other salmon eggs consistent with a "Social Biology" response - by eating the eggs of other fish they remove potential competition for their own offspring, though I doubt this notion. Both would be genetically imprinted behaviours and not directed feeding behaviours
finally they may strike out of an aggressive impulse - such as when they strike a spoon or spinner.
BTW I find it hard to believe he banned you from commenting on his Facebook page just for that. The way he looks kind of makes me think of Mussolini! ::)
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BTW I find it hard to believe he banned you from commenting on his Facebook page just for that. The way he looks kind of makes me think of Mussolini! ::)
And here I thought there's no freedom of speech at Fishing with Rod! ;D
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Flytech as far the mostly non-issue do Pacific Salmon feed once they commence their spawning run. For the most part they do not in the sense they don't eat, swallow and digest food items for sustenance as they did before. I've cleaned hundreds of salmon over many years and only once or twice found any stomach contents - only in jack coho salmon all of it undigested. Apparently, so I have read (and sorry if my obtaining knowledge from reading insults anyone's intelligence intelligence) salmon on returning to fresh water no longer produce the stomach liquids necessary to digest food and for the most part regurgitate whatever they swallow. There's bound to be exceptions among tens of millions of salmon returning to rivers every year on both sides of the Pacific and in the Great Lakes.
Fortunately many do exhibit both a conditioned feeding response -thought by many anglers to be a reemergence of behaviours they required during their juvenile fresh water period - often called the imprint theory IIRC - which explains why coho take small wet flies - they remember eating caddis and sticklebacks etc. Likewise some anglers think salmon eat other salmon eggs consistent with a "Social Biology" response - by eating the eggs of other fish they remove potential competition for their own offspring, though I doubt this notion. Both would be genetically imprinted behaviours and not directed feeding behaviours
finally they may strike out of an aggressive impulse - such as when they strike a spoon or spinner.
BTW I find it hard to believe he banned you from commenting on his Facebook page just for that. The way he looks kind of makes me think of Mussolini! ::)
Ralph,
That's fine, that's not the real issue here. It's more about his unwillingness to even think there is an alternative point of view and calling out those that point it out.
There are many newer studies that show they do feed for energy however.. I'm going to post them in another thread, because I think it's a great conversation. I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on the topic. I don't want to turn this thread into that topic, because it's about something completely different.
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I've never seen salmon that have returned to fresh water actively feeding in the way trout will say on mayflies, cased caddis, salmon parr or sticklebacks. Coho in the Harrison for example are in very close proximity to large schools of sticklebacks but do not rush into those schools the way trout do - often when both are present. I have seen steelhead do this sort of thing but only very sporadically.
It can be maddening to see huge schools of pink salmon for example executing perfect head and tail rises for example but best I can tell they are never feeding when they do that
Pacific salmon are said, by people who have studied their physiology, to undergo a radical physical transformation once they transition from salt to fresh water. This leaves them both unable to eat in the full sense and unable to return to saltwater and survive. Most Pacific streams are relatively sterile and offer insufficient food energy for a large fish like a salmon to gather more food energy than the energy they would expend by feeding - a negative output of energy that would reduce the probability of their spawning success. Alaska or Great Lake rivers (where they do not have to go through a transition from saltwater back to fresh) may be somewhat different. Most Alaskan River are far more fertile than ours. Steelhead in the Great Lakes are far more prone to feed than here.
The general consensus that Salmon don't feed on their spawning runs is based on thousands of dissections and examination of stomach contents. I doubt some contrary examples don't really change that but I am always interested in any information on salmon or trout or other game fish. Thanks
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Yep, Ken respects fish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPQKLTbMqg0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCKTP5f0cqw
Here are em trout.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i36pRKeUf_o
lol...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUxQSFzEzqI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUdabFf9S8Q
Those dogs need fishing licenses you know... ::)
And does he have a license/permit to keep fish [presumably] caught from the wild? I don't think the trout died from the power failure but rather from the unfavorable living conditions (at least for the trout) of the tropical aquarium. He should have known that trout need cool, well-oxygenated water to survive. If you look at the video that shows the live trout, most of them are hyperventilating and clearly under stress from the low oxygen content of the warm water.
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I gotta say - Ken is making the internet more interesting! That call with BC Hydro was classic.
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A four page thread about one guy. Seriously?
Sure, he's a self-inflated bonehead, but is he worth all the bandwidth, time and energy?
My unsolicited advice: move on and talk about things, not people.
(says he who just made the thread one post longer :))
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(says he who just made the thread one post longer :) )
Exactly, why reply? ;)
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I am pretty sure we could make it 5 if we tried ;D
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I am pretty sure we could make it 5 if we tried ;D
LOL, yup. Back to Ken Weisner, did you view his videos at all?
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Exactly, why reply? ;)
Because you asked me what I think, silly.
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I don't know who this clown is honestly but his heads shaped like a pear, you can't trust those kinds of people :o pears are kinda hard and tasteless!
It troubles me that bonehead had trout in a tank but mostly because I am pretty sure its illegal.
I tried to look it up but all I found was http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/fish/regulations/#Transporting
So I guess technically he's carrying more then the legal limit and would be also considered poaching?
Of course those fish died though it had nothing to do with BC Hydro, since trout are coldwater fish. I asked at my new volunteer gig but rainbow trout are said to be able to survive in temperatures up to and exceeding 77°F (24°C), but stop growing at 73°F (23° C). But without good water flow (current) incredible filtration and good o2 supply. Which would be common knowledge if you have had fish tanks before for smaller fish.
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Yeah I saw his videos...Less then impressed with his character. The whole incident re. his fish tank shows his lack of respect for not only the fish but also people in authority.
I have a had time believing his story of a hatchery giving him fish for an experiment for several reasons.
A. I don't know what his profession is, but I'd be surprised if it was resource/environment/fisheries related.
B. He is definetly not the type to be doing any sort of research at a university for a graduating essay or Masters/PhD.
B2. The Animal welfare board would shut that experiment down before it got that far.
C. We already know the maximum temperatures for O. mykiss is around 26 degrees but thats tolerable, so they won't be doing so hot...
It troubles me that bonehead had trout in a tank but mostly because I am pretty sure its illegal.
I tried to look it up but all I found was http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/fish/regulations/#Transporting
So I guess technically he's carrying more then the legal limit and would be also considered poaching?
As I am skeptical about the story behind the fish (in fact skeptical is a bad word, lets use exceedingly unconvinced) I believe he chose to angle for them and bring them home. Now i would assume if he brought more then his quota home they would fine him there.
But the major one that I would throw the book at him with is the transportation of live fish.
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Yeah I saw his videos...Less then impressed with his character. The whole incident re. his fish tank shows his lack of respect for not only the fish but also people in authority.
I have a had time believing his story of a hatchery giving him fish for an experiment for several reasons.
A. I don't know what his profession is, but I'd be surprised if it was resource/environment/fisheries related.
B. He is definetly not the type to be doing any sort of research at a university for a graduating essay or Masters/PhD.
B2. The Animal welfare board would shut that experiment down before it got that far.
C. We already know the maximum temperatures for O. mykiss is around 26 degrees but thats tolerable, so they won't be doing so hot...
As I am skeptical about the story behind the fish (in fact skeptical is a bad word, lets use exceedingly unconvinced) I believe he chose to angle for them and bring them home. Now i would assume if he brought more then his quota home they would fine him there.
But the major one that I would throw the book at him with is the transportation of live fish.
Yeah thats more then fair I think.
Just frustrating. He definitely doesn't look bookish to me either more like a washed up amateur wrestler. Not that I would ever judge someone in that sense, which i kinda did but it was more so from watching the videos a second time and just doesn't carry himself like someone took pride in their quest for knowledge.
#Page5First... :o
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Its pretty obvious to me that he was just raising those trout so he'd have a steelhead to pose with for his upcoming Dec/Jan Vedder river fishing report at Tamahai Rapids. ;D
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Its pretty obvious to me that he was just raising those trout so he'd have a steelhead to pose with for his upcoming Dec/Jan Vedder river fishing report at Tamahai Rapids. ;D
Haha! Nice! throw it on the hook then toss the whole thing in the water and record brilliant!
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Its pretty obvious to me that he was just raising those trout so he'd have a steelhead to pose with for his upcoming Dec/Jan Vedder river fishing report at Tamahai Rapids. ;D
Hahaha
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Could be preparing a steelhead for the Boxing Day Derby.
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Weeeeeeelllllllll sh!- I better get to superstore and start to bu---fish---saving my trout now!
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Honestly I don't think this guy understands what he is doing. He posted a new video yesterday and tries to explain how to get a fish to bite in blowout conditions. To me it sounds like he is just describing how to pocket floss at some Rapids. He is saying the fish are biting but they are not. As you can see in the video his buddy is using a 3ft or longer leader. I can't uderstand why he thinks the fish are biting his presentation. They Are not. He is simply flossing / lining fish. And now he disables the comment section as well.
So much for a peaceful November on the vedder :'(
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Honestly I don't think this guy understands what he is doing. He posted a new video yesterday and tries to explain how to get a fish to bite in blowout conditions. To me it sounds like he is just describing how to pocket floss at some Rapids. He is saying the fish are biting but they are not. As you can see in the video his buddy is using a 3ft or longer leader. I can't uderstand why he thinks the fish are biting his presentation. They Are not. He is simply flossing / lining fish. And now he disables the comment section as well.
So much for a peaceful November on the vedder :'(
I've come to the conclusion there is no helping, educating, or evening having an open conversation with this imbecile. No point in even commenting, because he doesn't listen. So turning off the comments really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. He chooses to be idiotic and ignorant to how things should be done. His reading and writing skills are atrocious, based on his voiceover and video descriptions. This may be a window to his intelligence, and you can't fix stupid.
I'm done even worrying about this guy and no longer want to give him views on his videos. Hopefully one day he'll see the light, but I'm not banking on it.
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Time to send select vids off to dfo?
Pretty sure he could get nailed on violations.
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smear some peanut butter on him and let natural selection go to work!
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Time to send select vids off to dfo?
Pretty sure he could get nailed on violations.
Be my guest, not sure if they have email for links, do they?
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Be my guest, not sure if they have email for links, do they?
Could just use the RAPP online reporting form and insert the links http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/cos/rapp/form.htm
His violations fall in both DFO Violations and RAPP domains.
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So this guy has come up in a few conversations on this site an others. Without saying to much outside the topic, take a look at his posts, comments, and general attitude. Tell me what you think?
https://www.facebook.com/FishingVedder
Scary! Qatching young lady cross the river! Seems like this man is a nice enough guy,but must have just taken up fishing this year!No clue!
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Just sent a report to RAPP in. I realize some of the violations are re. Salmon, but he has a video where there is the harmful release of wild O. mykiss fry.
Further I linked the videos with his dogs.
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Good job!
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Time to send select vids off to dfo?
Perhaps your wish was granted a little while ago. Yah never know.........
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I've come to the conclusion there is no helping, educating, or evening having an open conversation with this imbecile. No point in even commenting, because he doesn't listen. So turning off the comments really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. He chooses to be idiotic and ignorant to how things should be done. His reading and writing skills are atrocious, based on his voiceover and video descriptions. This may be a window to his intelligence, and you can't fix stupid.
I'm done even worrying about this guy and no longer want to give him views on his videos. Hopefully one day he'll see the light, but I'm not banking on it.
For a guy with the tagline "Father first, Husband Second, Fishermen last..." You have balls to take on this big fella. While I applaud your passion for ethics, I believe you may be poking a sleeping bear. He appears to be getting more and more agitated with people calling him out - and I'd bet money he is keeping an eye on this thread.
You have your face on your profile pic so don't be surprised if you see him on the river and he has words for you.
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For a guy with the tagline "Father first, Husband Second, Fishermen last..." You have balls to take on this big fella. While I applaud your passion for ethics, I believe you may be poking a sleeping bear. He appears to be getting more and more agitated with people calling him out - and I'd bet money he is keeping an eye on this thread.
You have your face on your profile pic so don't be surprised if you see him on the river and he has words for you.
Doesn't intimidate me in the slightest. He can have all the words he wants, I can take care of my own. ;) He's a big scary looking dude, but that's no concern of mine.
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That doesn't sound like someone who is a father first and a husband second. Why would you let pride or ego, whichever the case is, rob you of having the chance to be either one? I can appreciate your passion for ethics as well, I really do but you come across more confrontational than anything else. I get the whole it's not the size of the dog in the fight cliche but there is always going to be someone who will get the best of you. I have seen a lot of bad things happen to people over my 35 years and I have also seen some of the people who did them on the Vedder river. I've said it before and I will say it again. There are people on the river who would cave your head in with a rock and bleed you out on the rocks just as they would a fish. Is getting your point across as important as making it home?
You will not change the horizon of the angling future by converting one fisherman at a time. It's like trying to get rid of an ant hill one ant at a time. It's not going to work. The real issues lie much deeper. There were ignorant fools before us and they will be around long after we are gone. The system is the problem.
Just my 0.02.
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Obviously different idealogies on a sub ethic here.
Not being intimidated by a guy is good. If you are in the sense of sports and or life in gerneral you have already lost.
So he gets mad at flytech and they meet on the river. Either a. They are on the same side or b they arent. Scenario a. I belive flytech can scramble a bank and has more options judging by the guys lack of waders.
Scenario b whats he going to do. Yell at him?
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Scenario a. I belive flytech can scramble a bank and has more options judging by the guys lack of waders.
Scenario b whats he going to do. Yell at him?
A) Flytech is not intimidated in the slightest so wont be scrambling up any banks or making a getaway.
B) An argument which will likely lead to fists flying and a couple folded teeth - and hopefully not more.
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The real issues lie much deeper. There were ignorant fools before us and they will be around long after we are gone.
thanks for that. It's pretty consistent with my view of the world. A man can no sooner turn a fool into a wise man than he can a mountain of rock.
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You guys are being idiots. I love all the what if scenarios. All I said is im not afraid of the guy sheesh. Suddenly we are having a battle royal and dead people floating down the river. Too many movies being watched.
I'm a big guy too, I'm 6'4" and I can handle my own if it lead to fisticuffs, but I promise you it wouldn't.
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I like where this is going, UFC 179 - Chilliwack BC on the Vedder!
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I like where this is going, UFC 179 - Chilliwack BC on the Vedder!
No kidding...
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Lol.
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HaHAHA.
Out of all the anglers out there is the snaggers/liners group the majority? Or is there more people who fish ethically? just curious if anyone has some insight.
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I'm a big guy too, I'm 6'4" and I can handle my own if it lead to fisticuffs, but I promise you it wouldn't.
Strong like bull, smart like tractor!
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Out of all the anglers out there is the snaggers/liners group the majority? Or is there more people who fish ethically? just curious if anyone has some insight.
Well going by the regs snagging is poaching.
Therefore snaggers are poachers, not fishermen/anglers so there you go.
Not like the regs get enforced these days due to budgetary constraints but w/e.
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Well going by the regs snagging is poaching.
Therefore snaggers are poachers, not fishermen/anglers so there you go.
Not like the regs get enforced these days due to budgetary constraints but w/e.
No one outta mind if I start taking demo dynamite with me from work. I mean hell, I'm making canned salmon anyway :D
I ain't snagging, flossing or lining , I am helping mother nature redirect the river, I just happened to get rewarded with salmon chunks.... ugh now I have a craving for candied salmon.
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You guys are being idiots.
That's not very nice, bully. Now I'm rooting for Ken in your heavyweight match at Vedder UFC.
Strong like bull, smart like tractor!
;D
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* shakes head *
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Wow, never thought this thread would go 7 pages :o
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Wow, never thought this thread would go 7 pages :o
I'm glad people discussed this. This guy is posting the vids for the public to see so he is open to criticism.
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Still waiting for him to Chime in
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Still waiting for him to Chime in
I don't think he has access to here. Lol.
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Still waiting for him to Chime in
He won't chime in because he's scared, he can't delete the comments made back to him. He can manage his facebook, and YouTube pages, he can't do that here.
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Wow, didn't think this thread could be so entertaining. That call to BCH was hilarious. Such an epic fail that anyone with half a brain would shiver listening to that much stupid.
As to talking FTF with someone that ignorant. Doesn't matter how big you are, can't win dealing with a mad pitbull, either way you will get bitten, a lose/lose, and NO, can't shoot them from a distance. Stay far, far away is the only smart move.
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I've watched all his videos and on the most part it's full of rubbish...the disturbing thought is knowing some viewers are actually taking his advice to heart. It's hard enough trying to convince new fishers on the proper techniques and etiquette so with that I commend Flytech for his resolve and not backing down on his principle. Even the biggest ego can be humbled with enough voices to let them know what they're doing is wrong.
No need for muscle flexing here...just an accumulated number of voices to be heard loud and clear.
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Hey Tech.
Was that you I just saw in the Ridge jogging down Dewdney by 224th on you way to Club 16. Your shadow boxing looked good while you where jogging then all of a sudden that light stand jump out of no where! Ouch!
You have to work on your foot speed as well as your ability to dodge from side to side and please keep those hands up.
I saw the big guy on the Vedder training as well. He was head butting Boulders up at Tamahi.
I think this match should take place during the Boxing Day derby. Pretty fitting time I think! 8)
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^^ LOL...
Sell tickets and use the funds for fish conservation, and funding CO's. hmmmm?
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wow just watched the video of ken and hailey from my fishn spot on Oct 08. Couldnt believe she crossed the water that day without a wading stick or any type of pdf. my partner and I were fishing from the big rock shes standing on and after watching her cross the river (both of us in shock) told her to come and stand on the big rock to catch a fish. after fishing around old ugly guys every day she was like a ray of sunshine. couldnt figure out why her friend (bald guy old enough to be her dad) would let her cross that water alone. ive read everyones response to this guys fishing but really the safety issue bothers me more than fishing styles. this video shows her returning to the road side of the river but its not as hairy as when they first came over to the backside of the river. common sense seems to missing as kens response to our concerns was "dont worry shes tough"
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He is loving all this attention, thats for sure. Love him or hate him, these threads are sending more and more people his way. You want people to not follow this guy or listen to his reports but will end up getting him paid for said reports by sending more and more clicks and views his way. If he starts getting paid for this shyte, good luck "converting" him then.
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wow just watched the video of ken and hailey from my fishn spot on Oct 08. Couldnt believe she crossed the water that day without a wading stick or any type of pdf. my partner and I were fishing from the big rock shes standing on and after watching her cross the river (both of us in shock) told her to come and stand on the big rock to catch a fish. after fishing around old ugly guys every day she was like a ray of sunshine. couldnt figure out why her friend (bald guy old enough to be her dad) would let her cross that water alone. ive read everyones response to this guys fishing but really the safety issue bothers me more than fishing styles. this video shows her returning to the road side of the river but its not as hairy as when they first came over to the backside of the river. common sense seems to missing as kens response to our concerns was "dont worry shes tough"
i agree. watching her cross without hesitation or thought made me cringe...foolish and naive. especially when she slipped and got back up, she obviously didn't realize how lucky she was.
Ken Weisner is a fool.
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He is loving all this attention, thats for sure. Love him or hate him, these threads are sending more and more people his way. You want people to not follow this guy or listen to his reports but will end up getting him paid for said reports by sending more and more clicks and views his way. If he starts getting paid for this shyte, good luck "converting" him then.
i don't think that's the kind of attention anyone would be proud of...and after a while people won't want to be associated with him and his antics...so let him shine in his 15 minutes of shame... it makes for good comedy on youtube.
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At first I thought he was just a harmless lout and a FwR video wannabe. Then I saw his racist comment on Rodney's FwR video and I thought he was an ignorant lout. Then I saw his video cheering his lady friend on wading across the river as "hardcore" and thought he was a clue-less ignorant lout. But after seeing his comments about not calling RAPP and laughing about his pitbulls mauling spawners, I think he's a danger to the resource..... >:(
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At first I thought he was just a harmless lout and a FwR video wannabe. Then I saw his racist comment on Rodney's FwR video and I thought he was an ignorant lout. Then I saw his video cheering his lady friend on wading across the river as "hardcore" and thought he was a clue-less ignorant lout. But after seeing his comments about not calling RAPP and laughing about his pitbulls mauling spawners, I think he's a danger to the resource..... >:(
2nd that