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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: chris gadsden on September 28, 2012, 08:33:44 PM

Title: "The View From Above'
Post by: chris gadsden on September 28, 2012, 08:33:44 PM
Anyone guess where this will be? :D  ;D
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: blaydRnr on September 28, 2012, 08:36:27 PM
KWB
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: joshhowat on September 28, 2012, 08:36:48 PM
Baily
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: chris gadsden on September 28, 2012, 08:40:12 PM
KWB

http://youtu.be/AolnG_MlUVs

You win a Maple Leaf Drennan. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: Athezone on September 28, 2012, 08:44:54 PM
I thought it might be KWB but I was thinking in terms of fish farms and thought, the Heavens above or God. But, just another day under KWB for many, I suppose.  :) ;D :)
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: joshhowat on September 28, 2012, 08:48:05 PM
Dang I don't see 20 foot leaders and bouncing Betty's they must be slacking.
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: blaydRnr on September 28, 2012, 09:10:33 PM
Thank you for the thought, but being a 'nuck fan I would prefer you donate it to the first newbie you see fishing ethically.

I've spent many a days watching guys floss under that bridge... installation of under water troughs would solve the problem of long leaders.
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: chris gadsden on September 28, 2012, 09:23:17 PM
Thank you for the thought, but being a 'nuck fan I would prefer you donate it to the first newbie you see fishing ethically.

I've spent many a days watching guys floss under that bridge... installation of under water troughs would solve the problem of long leaders.
OK I gave one to Chris R yesterday sans the logo so I will say it came from you.

Oh I will have many floats to give away at the cleanup but maybe not Drennans. ;D ;D
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: Fish Assassin on September 28, 2012, 10:08:04 PM
So where are all these rippers that I keep reading ?? ;)
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: DanJohn on September 28, 2012, 10:52:56 PM
Cant wait for steelhead season!!!  ;D
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: freddy2596 on September 28, 2012, 11:23:41 PM
Give it two more week's and it will be alot more sickining that !, the reason I have not fished the Vedder in many year's
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: chris gadsden on September 29, 2012, 04:09:25 AM
So where are all these rippers that I keep reading ?? ;)
The camera works wonders. ;D ;D
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: Fish Assassin on September 29, 2012, 09:44:01 AM
The camera works wonders. ;D ;D

True, true
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: Madmardigan on September 29, 2012, 11:05:14 AM
There are lots who fish without attempting to floss,snag,or rip at fish in the KWB pool.If you don't believe,ask the Creel survey person stationed on the end of the bridge.She is always aware of who is doing the ripping and intentional snagging of fish.If she see's illegal activity,she will report it.

And if fishermen who know the value of short floating a big gooey piece of chum roe at first light didn't bother fishing this pool,then it would truly be left to the Beeks.
 
Instead of calling the the whole barrel rotten for a few bad apples,why not educate the bad guys you see ripping under the bridge,as there is no doubt some could use it.

(btw,I was watching those same fishermen on the same day from the bridge,and it looked like were fishing ethically.I saw one fin hooked hatchery coho doe,and it was released quickly back to the flow.I didn't see anyone trying to snag of floss fish,nor did I see much ripping going on.Do you figure these guys saw you taking your little iphone video from behind them and decided to behave for you?How do you look when you're standing in the river fishing?)

P.S...Mr Gadsden,I realize that that you are a respected member on this forum and others,so know disrespect intended,but don't you think it's more productive to educate those who need it rather than antagonizing them.Did you inform the fishermen they were taking part in that video.Did you get their permission before posting that to youtube,as I believe people still have rights to privacy,even in a public space.
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: hotrod on September 29, 2012, 11:19:47 AM
I was down the river from the bridge with a spey rod right at the top of the run above all the guys. No snaggers down there that I could see!
1 hooked a couple from 7am -1pm! Kinda slow if you ask me, saw maybe six fish hooked and landed in that time!


   hotrod
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: Athezone on September 29, 2012, 11:45:36 AM
There are lots who fish without attempting to floss,snag,or rip at fish in the KWB pool.If you don't believe,ask the Creel survey person stationed on the end of the bridge.She is always aware of who is doing the ripping and intentional snagging of fish.If she see's illegal activity,she will report it.

And if fishermen who know the value of short floating a big gooey piece of chum roe at first light didn't bother fishing this pool,then it would truly be left to the Beeks.
 
Instead of calling the the whole barrel rotten for a few bad apples,why not educate the bad guys you see ripping under the bridge,as there is no doubt some could use it.

(btw,I was watching those same fishermen on the same day from the bridge,and it looked like were fishing ethically.I saw one fin hooked hatchery coho doe,and it was released quickly back to the flow.I didn't see anyone trying to snag of floss fish,nor did I see much ripping going on.Do you figure these guys saw you taking your little iphone video from behind them and decided to behave for you?How do you look when you're standing in the river fishing?)

P.S...Mr Gadsden,I realize that that you are a respected member on this forum and others,so know disrespect intended,but don't you think it's more productive to educate those who need it rather than antagonizing them.Did you inform the fishermen they were taking part in that video.Did you get their permission before posting that to youtube,as I believe people still have rights to privacy,even in a public space.

I agree with you there Madm. Tossing everyone in a barrel and painting them all with the same brush isn't fair nor does it equate to justice. KWB over the years has been a hot-bed of negatavism from the stand point that it is easily visible and there have been large groups of snagger's congregated there in the past. Therefore, where there's smoke there's fire. But I think one reading and viewing needs to think about it logically and view it objectively. Hell, we've all seen Rodney's video's there and he sure wasn't snagging, lol. So we should'nt assume everyone else is.

And Yes, Mr. Gadsen is a respected member on this forum but he is also a very highly respected outdoorsman and human being amongst the whole fishing community. And I can assure you that he has educated more people than you could ever imagine and let me ask you this. When you get close to 60 or 70 years of age would you approach fishermen who are snagging and suggest that they should change their methods, even politely.
I thought not.

As far as video taping from the bridge the rule is: Public place, fair game. Private property, permission may be needed.
The more important issue at stake is how the video is used. If it's used for commercial use then definitely a waiver or contract would need to be signed. Now if someone that is taped objects to their image being displayed then usually the video would be removed to ensure that all runs smoothly and no court action is taken. But if you're in the public domain you're open game, so be aware of when, where and what you do.
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: Rodney on September 29, 2012, 01:59:53 PM
While popular spots such as KWB, Browne Road, Lickman Road, Vedder Crossing, etc are more likely to be crowded than others, people definitely should not generalize all users at these spots as poachers, or individuals who have the intent to violate fishing regulations. These spots are crowded for very obvious reasons. They are easily accessed by vehicles and highly visible from roads. New anglers who are just starting out tend to gravitate to these spots because they lack the understanding on successfully targeting salmon. Fish have a tendency to congregate at these spots due to structural barriers and low water conditions. If the users are unaware of how salmon should be caught, fish will be foul hooked. If it is the user's first salmon, he or she also will most likely drag that salmon onto the dry bank if no one else decides to assist. If he or she has never seen a salmon before, the likelihood of fish misidentification and retention of the wrong species is also pretty large. The next newcomer watches and learns to do the exact same thing by assuming those are the correct actions. The cycle repeats and grows when experienced anglers keep labelling all users of these areas as so-called beeks and keeping them oblivious.

I fish at these spots from time to time, unless the angling pressure is beyond what I can tolerate. If there are good fish to be caught, I can have a great day tossing my spoon or floating my roe through the crowd, picking out the odd fish and sharing my techniques with others if they wish to learn. Stereotyping is something that we all do from time to time, but positive changes can occur if one chooses to suppress it.
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: chris gadsden on September 29, 2012, 10:03:09 PM
  Thanks Athezone for your insight on this and after shooting several news stories for BCTV, now Global TV I have never had any problems as well, since the 1970's I have shot endless pictures for the Chilliwack Progress and other print media.

Some times I think some people get over concerned on this subject but there of course is some exceptions to what one does I guess.
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: LP89CG on September 30, 2012, 12:33:33 AM
There are lots who fish without attempting to floss,snag,or rip at fish in the KWB pool.If you don't believe,ask the Creel survey person stationed on the end of the bridge.She is always aware of who is doing the ripping and intentional snagging of fish.If she see's illegal activity,she will report it.

And if fishermen who know the value of short floating a big gooey piece of chum roe at first light didn't bother fishing this pool,then it would truly be left to the Beeks.
 
Instead of calling the the whole barrel rotten for a few bad apples,why not educate the bad guys you see ripping under the bridge,as there is no doubt some could use it.

(btw,I was watching those same fishermen on the same day from the bridge,and it looked like were fishing ethically.I saw one fin hooked hatchery coho doe,and it was released quickly back to the flow.I didn't see anyone trying to snag of floss fish,nor did I see much ripping going on.Do you figure these guys saw you taking your little iphone video from behind them and decided to behave for you?How do you look when you're standing in the river fishing?)

P.S...Mr Gadsden,I realize that that you are a respected member on this forum and others,so know disrespect intended,but don't you think it's more productive to educate those who need it rather than antagonizing them.Did you inform the fishermen they were taking part in that video.Did you get their permission before posting that to youtube,as I believe people still have rights to privacy,even in a public space.

The expectation of privacy in a public place is very very low.

If you don't want to be filmed, photographed or recorded in anyway you should probably stay inside. Think even bigger... google earth where people were caught on camera doing a number of crazy or embarrassing or even illegal things, but it's in public. I'm pretty sure google didn't need to get permission from the entire North American population before they captured everything.

Now if you were being photographed on your private property then that's different; but you can photograph, video, record anyone on your property since it's yours.
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: Rodney on September 30, 2012, 01:29:48 AM
If you don't want to be filmed, photographed or recorded in anyway you should probably stay inside. Think even bigger... google earth where people were caught on camera doing a number of crazy or embarrassing or even illegal things, but it's in public. I'm pretty sure google didn't need to get permission from the entire North American population before they captured everything.

That's why their faces are blurred out in Google Street View.

Filming and photographing individuals in public is permitted by law, however consent is required from the individual if the media (videos or photographs) are to be commercially used. This usually involves a signed waiver. Videos for personal use that are uploaded to YouTube have to follow their terms of use. If individuals find themselves in a video that they don't wish to be in, they can file a complaint to have the video removed. There can be many reasons people don't wish to be filmed and these days I take those into consideration when having my cameras out in public. People may not wish to be characterized in a certain way, it's easy for the video owner/producer to tell a story in a certain way. Someone maybe skipping work to go fishing and don't want his or her boss discovering the video, etc.
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: chris gadsden on September 30, 2012, 03:49:52 AM
Someone maybe skipping work to go fishing and don't want his or her boss discovering the video, etc.
Don't you do all the time. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: Bently on September 30, 2012, 06:17:30 AM
That's why their faces are blurred out in Google Street View.

 There can be many reasons people don't wish to be filmed and these days I take those into consideration when having my cameras out in public. People may not wish to be characterized in a certain way, it's easy for the video owner/producer to tell a story in a certain way.

Did you ask this guy before filming ?? I'm guessing he probably didn't want to be on video :D ;D ;D :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwvT2-T9NR8&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwvT2-T9NR8&feature=plcp)
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: zabber on September 30, 2012, 07:35:44 AM
consent is required from the individual if the media (videos or photographs) are to be commercially used.

So what's the deal with papparzi??
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: LP89CG on September 30, 2012, 11:36:06 PM
So what's the deal with papparzi??

THIS
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: BCfisherman97 on October 04, 2012, 06:20:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWbb3YxEgZM

This one must have hit hard
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: THE_ROE_SLINGER on October 04, 2012, 06:49:00 PM
very interesting technique in fighting the fish :P
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: 1son on October 04, 2012, 08:08:13 PM
His technique did wonders surprised he didn't lose it  ;D
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: Fish Assassin on October 04, 2012, 08:26:34 PM
Looks to be a beginner
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: jacked55 on October 04, 2012, 08:29:52 PM
im just happy that Chris R got called a newbie fisherman. Thank you Mr. Gladsen i will NEVER let him live this one down, lol.
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: Nucks on October 04, 2012, 08:34:03 PM
Probably the first time he's had a hand on a rod. I had a good laugh but I cut him some slack.

I'm more concerned about the BEEK that put his hand in the gills  :o Am I the only one that noticed this? Hands should not go anywhere near the gills unless you plan on bonking it. That fish could have been easily held with a hand under the head and the other on the tail.

This video is the epitome of what the Vedder has become.............. :-[
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: Noahs Arc on October 04, 2012, 08:51:08 PM
Well no wonder every time there's a tv show on that's how they're holding them.
It seems to just be here in bc and Washington where it's a no no.
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: bbronswyk2000 on October 04, 2012, 08:51:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWbb3YxEgZM

This one must have hit hard

About 15 feet from float to hook. Nicely snagged in the belly. Geez I wonder why...... This guy must have felt the "bump" and set the hook
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: jacked55 on October 04, 2012, 09:40:52 PM
today i heard one snagger say to the other, " so what kind of bait are you using, roe?" i said loudly enough no hes got that special bait called 12 foot leader...
they took notice of who said it then decided best not to comment further.
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: blaydRnr on October 04, 2012, 10:31:59 PM
that guy reels like he's got Cerebral Palsy...then his buddy says "yo the man!...way to get it done!" LOL...."keep the rod up not straight...that's how you lose fish!".....sheez, how about teaching him how to hold the rod properly before he snaps it?!
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: chris gadsden on October 05, 2012, 05:43:03 AM
im just happy that Chris R got called a newbie fisherman. Thank you Mr. Gladsen i will NEVER let him live this one down, lol.

;D ;D

Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: chris gadsden on October 05, 2012, 05:46:04 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWbb3YxEgZM

This one must have hit hard
Nice now to have "The View From Below". ::)
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: dennyman on October 06, 2012, 01:08:47 PM
I have read some of the comments and people saying the angler in the video is a beginner and to cut him some slack. Well if you can afford the license, and the tackle to fish for salmon then you should take the time to read the regulations. There are sections which go over how to safely release fish. To take a fish out of the water and walk around with it in your arms for some hero shots , and to post it on you tube will get you this type of criticism. And I feel it is very deserving.
Title: Re: "The View From Above'
Post by: katfish on October 15, 2012, 12:19:48 PM
If you go in a public place, you can be filmed.  It's the law. You do no have Privacy rights in public places.  It's a public place.  Think about it.  Iphones, CCTV, traffic cameras are a Facts of life.  If you are doing some thing that you don't want filmed, then think again about what it is you are doing.  It's probably either illegal or shameful!