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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: chris gadsden on June 03, 2010, 05:36:59 PM
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Lew, Terry, Paul, Dave and I cleaned up garbage in the Chilliwack River Valley today.
It was left over from a weekend grad party, very disappointing to see the next generation treat our precious environment this way. We took 160 kg to the land fill. I think I will send some of the pictures to the school.
Also you can imagine what else was left behind in the surrounding bushes. ::)
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For the record I was not the Dave. My guess it was Dave Lamson - and kudos to all of you for cleaning up this mess!
Chris, I saw some of the things you mentioned when we were up there the other day, looking at the proposed gravel pit site - didn't know condoms came ;)(sorry) in those colours ...
The kids were from a school in Port Coquitlam and I hope the Principal of said school is informed.
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Riverside Secondary in Port Coquitlam, Have the garbage shipped to the front doors.
Principal Mr. Robinson srobinson@sd43.bc.ca
Vice Principal Mr. Clerkson tclerkson@sd43.bc.ca
Phone Number: 604 941 6053
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schools from all over head up to bench road to party.
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Riverside Secondary in Port Coquitlam, Have the garbage shipped to the front doors.
Principal Mr. Robinson srobinson@sd43.bc.ca
Vice Principal Mr. Clerkson tclerkson@sd43.bc.ca
Phone Number: 604 941 6053
It's a good start; but ultimately who raises this kids? Coyotes?
schools from all over head up to bench road to party.
I guess the RCMP are too busy handing out easy speeding tickets near Hope to enforce actually difficult laws.
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There was an RCMP roadblock on Chilliwack Lake Road this morning, attempting to head off more of the anticipated partiers this weekend. It's great to see this increased level of police officers here and hope this will be a regular occurance this summer.
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Have to agree with those that say the offending party goers should be make to go back to the mess they made and clean it up. All they learned at this point, is that they can party and leave their garbage behind and someone else will go back and clean it up for them.
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Riverside Secondary in Port Coquitlam, Have the garbage shipped to the front doors.
Principal Mr. Robinson srobinson@sd43.bc.ca
Vice Principal Mr. Clerkson tclerkson@sd43.bc.ca
Phone Number: 604 941 6053
Did it happen during school hours or at an official school function?
School officials are not the police.
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A HUGE KUDOS to the three river elves for their time and efforts. Some peoples parents should get smacked for not teaching their kids right.
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Lots of guests viewing this thread these days, hopefully they are some young people and others who will think twice about leaving a mess in the Chilliwack River Valley or for that matter anywhere while out celebrating their graduation or just camping in our beautiful outdoors here in British Columbia.
I know it is a very exciting time for those that have spent the last 12 years going to school and the hard work involved to reach their goal of graduation. You are now entering adulthood, in this stage of life your responsibility also increases, that includes looking after our environment, hopefully you will do a better job than some generations before you have.
Best wishes to all that may be reading this thread and are indeed graduating this year, I wish you all the best for a successful career and life.
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We were told by the park rangers to leave the garbage in a pile and they would come and pick it up.
Also, "some generations before us". That would be you... Thanks for the Global Warming
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Your'e welcome ;)
Sounds like you were involved in this sorry mess. If so, why did you need to be told to pick up your garbage?
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We werent TOLD to clean up our mess.
We talked to the park ranger about it and we did exactly what he told us to do.
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schools from all over head up to bench road to party.
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Good on yeah Chris. Always looking after Chilliwacks little gem.
Coyote what exactly did this park ranger tell you?
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It's good to see this discussion has been brought to the attention of those who were involved in leaving the garbage behind. To the newly registered participants in this discussion, I would like to remind you that you have agreed to follow the forum guidelines when registering. Failure to do so would result in the deletion of your post(s) and termination of the account if necessary. You should also be aware that the discussion is being followed by those who you may not want the comments to be seen, so participate wisely and you are always welcome to express your opinion.
Participants of both sides should understand that, the mess has been done. We now have an idea on who left the garbage behind. Finger pointing is counter productive, instead I'd like to see better communication so we do not see this repeating each year. I see a failure at all levels. The system (schools, families, media, the community in general) has failed to place stronger emphasis on how we should be treating our environment. The message of "Leave no trace" has been lost. The fact that students thought that garbage put in a pile and left behind is considered as cleaned up demonstrates that we have a long way to go.
BTW, producing 160kg of waste from one camping trip is not what I would consider responsible, whether it is cleaned up or not. With so much talk on resource conservation, North America remains an extremely wasteful society.
The next Chilliwack River cleanup is on July 24th and anyone who would like to make a difference is welcome to join it.
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schools from all over head up to bench road to party.
Where abouts is this Bench road?
Also if you have any other good free-camping places suitable for over a hundered people that you'd rather suggest, please do so.
And to all those who cleaned up the mess, thankyou very much. To the people nagging us for doing what the rangers told us to, talk to the rangers.
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I know you already shipped the garbage away, but if you still wanna send any garbage that you may have to the front of the school , I have no complaints.
Preferrably next week.
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Honestly, I was one of the last people to leave that tuesday, and my friends and I were left a disgusting mess by our fellow graduates. I'm not saying that i was at all happy to leave the campsite the way we did, but it was so much better left the way it was for you than it was for us.
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Honestly, I was one of the last people to leave that tuesday, and my friends and I were left a disgusting mess by our fellow graduates. I'm not saying that i was at all happy to leave the campsite the way we did, but it was so much better left the way it was for you than it was for us.
I commend you and a couple of other that have posted above for coming on here with some posts and not hiding from this incident, that would be easy to do but you have taken the high road.
I would like to suggest you and some others may wish to make a presentation at your school at an assembly about preventing an incident like this happening again. I am sure your principal and teachers would aid you in putting this together.
I feel this would have a very positive impact on all your fellow school members with the environment as well as all of us being be the beneficiary in the future.
If you are graduating this year all the best for a good summer and in your future endeavors.
Kindest regards,
Chris
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first off is it possible to get my lawn chair back? hahah ??? and second off we did what the police told us to do they came by and made sure we cleaned up till it was good so dont get mad at us cause they told us it was fine
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When RCMP officers asked you to pick up garbage that were scattered all over the campsites, you are under the assumption that all garbage are to be carried out with you because experience shows that irresponsible campers will not clean up if garbage are scattered. What did you expect, having them wait around until you leave and making sure you did the right thing? Want to be known as grown-ups, perhaps start demonstrating it. You are using FREE sites for camping, who exactly did you think were going to clean up your mess?
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I find this funny Rodney, not only did YOU say above. No Finger pointing its done and has happened.
I don't think you quiet understand what we mean either, the rangers came on the first night and the second night.
They said it was fine that we were there as long as we cleaned up our mess, which we did..
I was also one of the last people there and you should have seen the mess before that some of the other graduates left.
I understand your frustration as you care for the chilliwack river area; However, we did what we could.
Plus no one ever said we didn't care because we did.
Hence how we cleaned up.
When RCMP officers asked you to pick up garbage that were scattered all over the campsites, you are under the assumption that all garbage are to be carried out with you because experience shows that irresponsible campers will not clean up if garbage are scattered. What did you expect, having them wait around until you leave and making sure you did the right thing? Want to be known as grown-ups, perhaps start demonstrating it. You are using FREE sites for camping, who exactly did you think were going to clean up your mess?
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Coyote, I was there when the police attended and at that time there was no attempt by any students to clean up the mess laying around. When the 4 of us started picking up your garbage, app. 20 students watched, said nothing, and did not offer to assist.
You say you cleaned up your mess. I disagree. You also say you did what you could, OK, perhaps you did. Thing is, it should not have happened in the first place. The fact you are responding makes me think you are a leader in your school and respected by your peers.
If so, let them know this behavior is wrong.
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Thank you for cleaning it up. but you can't very well get mad at us for doing what the rangers told us to do...
And I'll talk to our principals on monday and tell them to inform the grad class of 2011 to clean up their mess better than we did, but unfortunatly that's all that I can do.
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I find this funny Rodney, not only did YOU say above. No Finger pointing its done and has happened.
I don't think you quiet understand what we mean either, the rangers came on the first night and the second night.
They said it was fine that we were there as long as we cleaned up our mess, which we did..
I was also one of the last people there and you should have seen the mess before that some of the other graduates left.
I understand your frustration as you care for the chilliwack river area; However, we did what we could.
Plus no one ever said we didn't care because we did.
Hence how we cleaned up.
My previous comments were mainly directed at ED LUNDY and Krestations' remarks, not yours or Coyote #2's. Under the situation, kudos to you and others who were there last to make it more "presentable". My problem sits on our differences in definition of "cleaning up our mess". To me it means leaving the place at the same state as before using it.
No finger pointings needed from my part, the discussion now has evolved to including participants who are openly admitting their involvement of this mess.
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Well for the most part, most of us cleaned up our messes and I put my garbage in my cooler and brought it home.
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It’s easy to point the finger, but ultimately we are all responsible for our own actions.
The Rangers’ order was warranted as they may have wanted the debris contained in one area. While the debris remained there as an eye sore, thankfully it was not floating downriver out of sight, out of mind (thank you, Grads). As responsible managers, the safety of individuals is a high priority, hence an order was given to clean up and to maintain a liveable abode away from home for you grads, as you were not in any condition to “drive out”. Being young does not excuse anyone from the perils of destruction but hopefully, this is a step towards maturing…
To the Authorities, perhaps it might be prudent to think your words carefully, for future reference. I am certain that if these Grads were told to take their debris back home, this cleanup would not have been necessary. After all, if given an easy way out, most would choose that route.
To the Grads, I know that you are a responsible group of young adults. You have shown your community spirit and leadership by raising funds for clean water in Sierra Leone; many of you have opened your wallets and pantries to fill baskets for SHARE at Christmas and many other worthwhile causes. Being a responsible citizen does not stop at your school’s door, something, which I hope you have now realized .
Many thanks to Chris, Lew, Dave, Paul and Terry for being the River stewards. Your countless hours spent maintaining the cleanliness of the Chilliwack River Valley for us to enjoy and to appreciate the beauty we have within our backyard has touched the lives of our family. To the 2010 Grads of Riverside, hope this was a lesson learned and to cherish the moments that we are blessed with. One day, you will be our community stewards in maintaining the beauty that surrounds us.
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ROUND 2 WHAT!!!!!!! GRAD 2010 WHAT!!!!!!!! EVEN BIGGER MESS NEXT TIME WHAT!!!!!!
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Moderators, I hope you leave these comments up for a while as it will let others know what we are up against.
Taylor Happy, are you from this school ?
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hi this is the real taylor happy using my friends account umm whoever made the taylor happy account your a real idiot i jsut wanna let everyone know on this forum that the TAYLOR HAPPY account is some idiot kid trying to make fun im sorry for any troubles this casues
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i just wanan say sorry again for whoever this kid is making the account i can promise i did my best to clean up as much of the mess as i could before i left
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Also if you have any other good free-camping places suitable for over a hundered people that you'd rather suggest, please do so.
Use your head. If you have over a hundred people, maybe find something more suitable to do? We all know that "grad campout" is basically a euphemism for getting drunk, stoned, pregnant and dirty and nothing more than that anyways. You can do that anywhere, next time try the school field and see how it goes over. Or maybe your own backyard?
Getting 100+ people... even 50+ people "camping" even semi-responsibly is like trying to mate an elephant with a mouse. It ain't gonna happen.
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ROUND 2 WHAT!!!!!!! GRAD 2010 WHAT!!!!!!!! EVEN BIGGER MESS NEXT TIME WHAT!!!!!!
When you choose to impersonate another individual and behave like a juvenile in public, expect to be treated as one.
A match by email and IP can usually lead to the true identity in a few seconds.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=801900415
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Idiots like this make all us young kids who "pack out what we pack in" look bad.
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quote author=Rodney link=topic=24164.msg228461#msg228461 date=1276379011]
When you choose to impersonate another individual and behave like a juvenile in public, expect to be treated as one.
A match by email and IP can usually lead to the true identity in a few seconds.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=801900415
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Well played Rod!
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When you choose to impersonate another individual and behave like a juvenile in public, expect to be treated as one.
A match by email and IP can usually lead to the true identity in a few seconds.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=801900415
Omg.. Ali, you're such a goof. what is wrong with you ? I'd like to appoligize for his behavior...
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thank you for finding out who really tired to be me im going to have to deal with him now but thank you for finding that out for me
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Use your head. If you have over a hundred people, maybe find something more suitable to do? We all know that "grad campout" is basically a euphemism for getting drunk, stoned, pregnant and dirty and nothing more than that anyways. You can do that anywhere, next time try the school field and see how it goes over. Or maybe your own backyard?
Getting 100+ people... even 50+ people "camping" even semi-responsibly is like trying to mate an elephant with a mouse. It ain't gonna happen.
Drunk, Yes. Stoned, No. Pregnant, NO. Dirty, NO. We're not all sex-driven pot-smoking drunks. It's typicall that people will treat our generation like crap because of the actions of some. We're young and trying to have fun, and most of us enjoy camping so we figured we'd go as a grad class to bond over a few beers and a fire. I'm sorry again that we left a mess, but we've already said our sorries, so I don't exactly see how bashing us is helping the solution.
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Its unfortunate our Chilliwack is in such close proximity to the lower mainland high schools looking to celebrate graduation. More police presence is needed ie roadblocks setup every weekend in the month of June confiscating the alcohol and drugs from these under age minors that fuel these wild weekends of carnage. I think these grad camp outs are a very bad idea no matter where they are held. Im sure the school staff do not condone these activities and delivering the garbage to thier door steps would serve no useful purpose.
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Usually Stave Lake would get some grad party problems. This year there have been a few road checks setup by RCMP. It has really helped to keep the area clean.
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Drunk, Yes. Stoned, No. Pregnant, NO. Dirty, NO. We're not all sex-driven pot-smoking drunks. It's typicall that people will treat our generation like crap because of the actions of some. We're young and trying to have fun, and most of us enjoy camping so we figured we'd go as a grad class to bond over a few beers and a fire. I'm sorry again that we left a mess, but we've already said our sorries, so I don't exactly see how bashing us is helping the solution.
Not to mention, all generations (at least since the 1960's) have their fair share of those types during their youth.
Some of you may just need to remember back far enough to realize that your own history is not all that spotless either.
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Not to mention, all generations (at least since the 1960's) have their fair share of those types during their youth.
Some of you may just need to remember back far enough to realize that your own history is not all that spotless either.
Yeah, we've learned from our mistakes and are attempting to pass it along. If you're too stubborn to listen and want to keep making excuses for irresponsible behavior, fine. I'm not your mother. ::)
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If you brought something up there its your responsibility its not there when you leave. Be it a wrapper, a cup, a lawn chair or whatever it is. Regardless what the Ranger said its common sense that you take out what you brought in. Would you go over to a friends house and throw all your garbage on his/her floor and leave without cleaning it? I doubt it. If you would than your just a pig and wouldnt have friends for long anyways. Look I made lots of mistakes growing up but learned from them. We didnt have the type of information thats available to todays youth, just as our parents didnt have what we had etc etc. Every generation should be learning from the previous generations mistakes.
I suggest those that are on here that werre involved in this read some of the information on this site:
http://www.cleanrivers.ca/
Many of us are involved in cleaning up after others. Please dont be part of the problem. Be the solution. I see nothing wrong with 100 people partying as long as they cleanup.
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This is ridiculous.
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I also can re assure you more than half of the grad class has seen this that has gone grad camping also ,
we understand why your upset and have said sorry.
I know that doesnt make up for what some of our fellow graduates have done, but for some of the people who have cleaned up their messes
this isn't fair for you to look at us as a group. We are individuals. As much as you didn't want to clean up their mess we didn't either.
We did what we could, my car cant hold all their garbage...
Like someone said in a previous post, i think its better than us throwing it down the river.
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he he...this is getting pretty funny. But as it was said to me many times before, if you want to to be treated like an adult act like one. If you want to be treated like a kid then act like a kid. Bottom line is once you enter the real world comes that word "responsibility. You make a mess you clean it up, and you don't make weak little excuses for why you can't get it done . For instance, you rent an apartment, and you pay a damage deposit. At the end of the lease, if you leave the place like a pig sty you lose your deposit and can look forward to getting lousy references from your landlord. To me it is all part of the growing up process, but for some folks though it seems to take a little longer for the message to sink in.
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Usually Stave Lake would get some grad party problems. This year there have been a few road checks setup by RCMP. It has really helped to keep the area clean.
Gotta love the police state. Maybe if North America was not no anal about booze we would not have the issues we do?
Yeah, we've learned from our mistakes and are attempting to pass it along. If you're too stubborn to listen and want to keep making excuses for irresponsible behavior, fine. I'm not your mother
And your [parents generation said the same thing about you... gawd so many holier than though people here. With so many perfect people here why is the world in such a mess????
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When you choose to impersonate another individual and behave like a juvenile in public, expect to be treated as one.
A match by email and IP can usually lead to the true identity in a few seconds.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=801900415
Isn't this illegal or at least against forum policy? I get it your the administrator, this is your site, but don't you think this is a little childish? Especially from the admin. Most admins I know would have just banned the imposter, for his first post broke forum rules. I think EXPLOITING his IP address is a little far, don't you think?
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Isn't this illegal or at least against forum policy? I get it your the administrator, this is your site, but don't you think this is a little childish? Especially from the admin. Most admins I know would have just banned the imposter, for his first post broke forum rules. I think EXPLOITING his IP address is a little far, don't you think?
From the disclaimer you must agree to before you sign up for an account:
The owners of this forum also reserve the right to reveal your identity (or any other related information collected on this service) in the event of a formal complaint.
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Not to mention, all generations (at least since the 1960's) have their fair share of those types during their youth.
Some of you may just need to remember back far enough to realize that your own history is not all that spotless either.
THANK YOU! Finally someone on here who realizes that everyone will do something at some point in their life that has made them rethink their actions... It feels like everyone else on this forum has forgotten their acts as teenagers.
Yeah, we've learned from our mistakes and are attempting to pass it along. If you're too stubborn to listen and want to keep making excuses for irresponsible behavior, fine. I'm not your mother. ::)
Rude. We're trying to learn from our mistakes. And no one is making excuses for "irresponsible behavior" we KNOW what we did wasn't right, so do you mind laying off a little bit? We're taking the high route by coming on here and apologizing to you all, and then you turn it around and belittle us...
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Isn't this illegal or at least against forum policy? I get it your the administrator, this is your site, but don't you think this is a little childish? Especially from the admin. Most admins I know would have just banned the imposter, for his first post broke forum rules. I think EXPLOITING his IP address is a little far, don't you think?
Yes, when an individual comes here and feels that rules do not apply to him or her, admins are happy to satisfy that request.
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Well then what I suggest people to do is to learn from their mistakes. I have volunteered for my fair share of Chilliwack/Vedder River cleanups. If you want to see first hand the amount of garbage left behind by others feel free to volunteer to the group that looks after organizing the cleanup. They can always use the extra hands.
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Well then what I suggest people to do is to learn from their mistakes. I have volunteered for my fair share of Chilliwack/Vedder River cleanups. If you want to see first hand the amount of garbage left behind by others feel free to volunteer to the group that looks after organizing the cleanup. They can always use the extra hands.
I'm actually quite interested in getting involved in the river cleanup. I've done stuff around my community, but I'm more than willing to help out up that way, especially after our grad camping mess... If someone could please tell me when and where another river cleanup will be, I'll try my best to venture out to Chilliwack to help.
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These old farts always welcome new, young volunteers. ;) The next Chilliwack River cleanup is on July 24th. Volunteers will be meeting at the Great Blue Heron Nature Reserve between 8:30 and 9:30am, where everyone will be assigned to a particular area along the river.
The one after that is on September 26th, which is World Rivers Day. This one is a bit different to other cleanups that we do. Beside the cleanup, there'll be a BBQ, prizes and entertainment afterward. The meeting place is at the Chilliwack Fish and Game Club. More info later.
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Rod is right, we old farts ( Rod, at 52, is our youngest director ;D) are always looking for new blood at these cleanups. Coyote #2, we would love to see you and a few classmates at a cleanup. I guarantee a warm welcome.
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To the coyotes, I was going to reply to some of the comments but didn't have time this morning when I made the previous post (was in a hurry to go fishing, it's a tough life ;) ) so here are some additional comments.
To understand why there are so many "negative" comments, you have to understand where the frustration has been building up. This is not an isolated event and we are certainly not attempting to ganging up on a group of kids who should be enjoying their upcoming accomplishment. Each year, around this time and also throughout the summer, we come across these situations from time to time. Since the establishment of the cleanup coalition in 2002, volunteers have discovered and cleaned up numerous abandoned campsites that were left like a war zone. Take a look at these:
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/blog/?p=23
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=20714.0
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=18160.0
http://www.fishingwithrod.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=3905.0
In the last couple of posts, you asked why others were still giving you a hard time when you had apologized. I went back and reread the posts and didn’t find any apologies until page 3. Not suggesting that some of you are not sorry, but the apologies were actually not made when you wanted to. Readers were angered when they only read that you attempted to justify your actions. For example, these were your first posts:
Thank you for cleaning it up. but you can't very well get mad at us for doing what the rangers told us to do...
And I'll talk to our principals on monday and tell them to inform the grad class of 2011 to clean up their mess better than we did, but unfortunatly that's all that I can do.
Well for the most part, most of us cleaned up our messes and I put my garbage in my cooler and brought it home.
Adding a number of inappropriate posts by a few boys that we have moved to a deleted section, it only dumped more fuel on fire. Anyway, this is not an attempt to finger point as one has put it early ;) but simply demonstrating why the discussion can become so long. For a grander scale, look at What public pressure that BP has to deal with right now.
People understand mistakes happen, but they want to see mistakes being acknowledged and learned. We see no immediate solution to this problem. It’s likely that we will be discussing this again next year when another grad class does the same thing. Since these aren’t sanctioned events by schools, they see these as beyond their responsibility. Nobody seems to be interested in taking on the task of prevention, so you can understand where the pessimism comes from.
Anyway, this discussion is ending in a good note as it has generated plenty of interest. All of you could have ignored it but you've chosen to engage in the discussion, which shows that you care.
Okay Rodney Hsu!
Here's a link to YOUURR profile
http://www.facebook.com/rodney.hsu
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1554581593
I guess this is your wife or girlfriend? Or maybe shes your sister?!
Still sharing the phone number?! <phone number removed>
WEELLL good to see how things are going
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Kreston, like some of your peers, instead of acknowledging what you have done, you’ve made it personal and taken the low road to make the above post. Not entirely sure what the point is, majority of my personal information is readily available for the public due to my occupation. Finding my Facebook profile should not be considered as great detective work. We had a pretty good chuckle about it. Secondly, the second profile has no relation to me, if you have been making phone calls to that individual, perhaps be a gentleman by calling back to apologize. Posting Facebook profile is one matter, taking it to another step by posting additional personal information such as phone number is taken very seriously. Personally attacking me does not accomplish anything except demonstrating that you are not sorry for what you and your peers have done.
All the other deleted comments have or will be shared with the principal as we correspond with each other in the coming weeks regarding this issue. We hope to develop a better communication tool that can prevent grads from making the same mistakes without dampening their celebrations in the future.
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Rod is right, we old farts ( Rod, at 52, is our youngest director ;D) are always looking for new blood at these cleanups. Coyote #2, we would love to see you and a few classmates at a cleanup. I guarantee a warm welcome.
I've talked to some people, and I'm sad to report that none of my friends seemed very interested in going... But I can guarantee that I'll do my very best to be at the July 24Th river cleanup!
And Rodney, I looked at those other grad camping debacles.. absolutely horrible. I'd like to think ours wasn't that bad...
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I've talked to some people, and I'm sad to report that none of my friends seemed very interested in going... But I can guarantee that I'll do my very best to be at the July 24Th river cleanup!
And Rodney, I looked at those other grad camping debacles.. absolutely horrible. I'd like to think ours wasn't that bad...
It doesnt matter if it was worse or not. Its the fact that it was done. I know you have apologized but I still dont think you guys understand. Do you understand why people are upset?
Here I am in bare feet dragging out someone elses garbage
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/bbronswyk2000/Fishing/Vedder%20Cleanups/VEDDER_cleanup_004.jpg)
The Vedder is not the only river with its problems in the LML. I have organized river cleanups on the Alouette which gets very heavy usage during the summer
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I have picked up dirty diapers in the middle of the river. Its not just you kids its adults as well so your not alone. To me its about educating people. Make them understand that our waterways are not a place to dispose of your garbage.
I really hope to meet some of you at the next cleanup.
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I've talked to some people, and I'm sad to report that none of my friends seemed very interested in going... But I can guarantee that I'll do my very best to be at the July 24Th river cleanup!
And Rodney, I looked at those other grad camping debacles.. absolutely horrible. I'd like to think ours wasn't that bad...
No worries about the lack of interest. Chilliwack River is pretty far away from the Lower Mainland and it is unrealistic to expect many people would want to drive all the way out just to pick up garbage. :) The goal of these cleanups is not just to remove garbage, but to bring public awareness. Each cleanup generates media attention, inspires other stewardship groups to organize similar cleanups at nearby watersheds, provides young volunteers (young young, as in little kids) a sense of accomplishment. bb, coyote #2 understands, otherwise she wouldn't be interested in coming to the cleanup. ;)
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Gotta love the police state. Maybe if North America was not no anal about booze we would not have the issues we do?
And your [parents generation said the same thing about you... gawd so many holier than though people here. With so many perfect people here why is the world in such a mess????
If you think this is a police state you need to travel a bit and educate yourself.
And when it comes to alcohol, it's the number one killer on the roads and of families. It needs to be checked bigtime.
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Chilliwack Progress story here with photo.
http://www.bclocalnews.com/fraser_valley/theprogress/news/96910969.html
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Good article Chris. Its really too bad that the minority ruin things for the majority. My biggest problem is why? What compels people to just throw their garbage around? These people are not stupid they are just ignorant. You cant fine those that are not caught in the act. OK I get that. Cant anything else be done? A park wont help. These people are those who dont want to follow any rules. They are going to go somewhere so if you push the boundary like the article says they will just go further up. Their is no easy answer. A sting operation is not a bad idea. They could do it on the long weekends and grad weekends. The problem is staffing it. It all comes down to $$$$$.
I say dump the garbage on these peoples doorsteps!!!!
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A note I sent to the school this evening.
For your information, this article and picture in the Chilliwack Progress was sparked by the Grad party from your school that occured a couple of weeks ago in the Cedar's area of the Chilliwack River. Of course it is not just grad parties from several different schools at this time of year that invade the Chilliwack River Valley but many other careless and unthoughful users of this gem of a recreational area in the Chilliwack area. Please feel free to forward to any other schools in your area that may wish to discuss this situation with their students in the years ahead in the hope they will be more responsible in looking after our environment. Please check out the CVRCC web site at www.cleanrivers.ca for the work we do. Maybe some of your students may wish to attend our cleanup that are listed on our web site.
Kindest regards,
Chris Gadsden
Chilliwack Vedder River Cleanup Coalition Director
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Pretty much everything comes down to money to control issues.
Money would not be a problem if the imposed fines large enough and to some point what ever they have with them all the way to their vehicles. That would solve the problem right there in my opinion. Eighteen year old looses dady's $50,000.00 truck while returning from a camping trip. That would be an awesome headline in the paper.
Same goes for CO's on the river. I would gladly pay doulbe or triple if everytime I fished the fraser I was checked for licenses and what fish I had on the boat. If breaking the laws take everything I had. That would stop fishing violations as well.
Problem solved..
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Lately I have been doing work at ford mountain prison and talked to one of the guards Ed Cambell and he said he would be happy to send some cons up there to help out with the clean up as it is part of keeping a good relationship with the community .I figure send them up early on a sunday morning,those partiers waking up to abunch of red coats and armed guards will probably clean up there own mess real quick.Just ask for Don Tosh or Ed cambell and they should help you out.
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Lately I have been doing work at ford mountain prison and talked to one of the guards Ed Cambell and he said he would be happy to send some cons up there to help out with the clean up as it is part of keeping a good relationship with the community .I figure send them up early on a sunday morning,those partiers waking up to abunch of red coats and armed guards will probably clean up there own mess real quick.Just ask for Don Tosh or Ed cambell and they should help you out.
Thanks very much, they used to do cleanups but no sure because of funding cuts they stopped doing them. If you see them again ask them to go into the Middle Creek Road area just across from the prison, and before the bridge. Also they can go into the Bench Road area and the road up to Foley Lake, they wil find enough to keep them busy after a long weekend. I think it is best they take the iniative themselves to do this as they can go when they have time to organize it. Also one thing less for me to try to do, fishing time now. ;D ;D
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Well let me say thanks for keeping BC clean, if your gonna party out there atleast clean it up!
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I f you want this to stop meet with the local RCMP office and lobby them to do more road checks. The word will get out and the Grad Parties will dry up.
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good on you guys for cleaning up somebody else mess.
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http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/rnr/1853347445.html
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This is a good opportunity to remind all that the second 2010 Vedder River clean-up will take place on this Saturday. People can sign in at the Great Blue Heron Nature Reserve between 8:30 and 9:30am. Volunteers will then be assigned to a particular section of the river. The clean-up usually finishes around Noon. If you are heading to the river at first light to do some chinook salmon fishing, this is an opportunity to help out the river for a few hours.
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I can understand the need for grad parties but why not have some regulations set up.How about the need for a permit?Make it so that outhouses and portable dumpsters are supplied by the grad classes and have a cleanup commitee set up to make that no mess is left behind.If the regs are not followed then a hefty fine levied against the grads.