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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: rjs on October 03, 2009, 09:39:18 PM
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it's gone !!! ;D My friends dad was involved in the removal !!!!
a couple a tons of junk removed ! all under the watch of the rcmp !
nice to see that eye sour gone !!! ;D
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Whereabouts on the Vedder ?
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Whereabouts on the Vedder ?
Just above Sweltser Creek and the Chilliwack River confluence
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A very good thing.
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good to see.
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Yes, it was a good day; this mess has been a problem for several years. We removed alot of stuff, some of which was an environmental concern - thanks to all the volunteers and the Provincial guys (you know who you are) for getting this done.
Special thanks to the Soowahlie Indian Band who helped in the cleanup big time and supplied coffee and donuts!
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Yeeeeeehhhhhhaaaawww! ;D ;D
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Yes, it was a good day; this mess has been a problem for several years. We removed alot of stuff, some of which was an environmental concern - thanks to all the volunteers and the Provincial guys (you know who you are) for getting this done.
Special thanks to the Soowahlie Indian Band who helped in the cleanup big time and supplied coffee and donuts!
I should have been there to help but was out of town hunting. A big thanks to you and the others that worked at the site for several hours getting it done.
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does this mean that they are gone? or will they just relocate .........I wonder how much they will have to steal to build a new shelter before winter.... ???
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Chris, you don't need to apologize for being away hunting - you have done, and are continuing to do, far more than most in the Chilliwack area to better the local environment and the sport fishing community.
Jetboatjim, don't know where they will relocate. I know they have been offered alternate shelter and I sincerely hope they accept that.
It was disconcerting when we realized we were dismantling peoples homes; clothing, blankets, books, toothpaste, mirrors, etc. Don't misunderstand, I believe this was the right move but still, it seems to me society has somehow failed when people are forced/or have decided to live like this.
I understand MOF has donated 50 Cedar trees that will be planted at the site. It's going to look good again soon.
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It was disconcerting when we realized we were dismantling peoples homes; clothing, blankets, books, toothpaste, mirrors, etc. Don't misunderstand, I believe this was the right move but still, it seems to me society has somehow failed when people are forced/or have decided to live like this.
Don't second guess what you guys did...it will eat you up. Life will go on for them, hopefully in a more appropriate location.
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More coverage:
http://www.bclocalnews.com/news/63551887.html
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finally!
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Wonder if any of the occupants responsible for the break ins along the Vedder ?
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Wonder if any of the occupants responsible for the break ins along the Vedder ?
I doubt it. People don't usually steal where they live. They hop on the skytrain.
But I think the real reason they got rid of it was the rich folks with the mansions found the squatters clashed with "their" idea of a "home" lol
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Out of interest, why did it take so long to get this place removed? I remember when a side channel of the vedder flowed by here before it was all Sweltzer water and the fishing in the pool was dynamite. Loved going there and then found an early settlement there one day. Never went back after that.
Dave B, I saw you on the news clip there. Big thumbs up....
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I doubt it. People don't usually steal where they live.
I remember there was mention of a red Honda involved in breakins on the river last year.
I saw the same red Honda parked at the campground at Tamahi.
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You bet your crack pipe they were breaking into cars and stealing from peoples backyards (bikes, BBQ tanks etc.). When they had a set up on the Coquitlam river there was BBQ tanks floating down the river and car batteries in the river. They're not going to go get the tank filled when that would be the same cost as a few hits of crack or whatever. Same as car batteries. I feel for them, but at the same time when your cars been broken into 7 times I'd just as soon give them a cheap high with a baseball bat.
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Homeless people with no where to go! Don't celebrate too much!
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Get it tight Frankey, it is TDMs living where they want which is some place cheap so they can have extra for drugs. Out of curiosity i wonder where their sh$t went, probably into the river after every rain.
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Get it tight Frankey, it is TDMs living where they want which is some place cheap so they can have extra for drugs. Out of curiosity i wonder where their sh$t went, probably into the river after every rain.
they used the campsite nearby according to the news article
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Homeless people with no where to go! Don't celebrate too much!
--You got it right!
--How about setting up some areas with proper sewer and water, hire some of the people that live there to keep it clean.
--They could be river shepherds, cleaning up the surrounding area, drug council for those that choose to participate etc.
--If we can afford a few Billion for GMC and Chrysler we should be able to afford at least basic shelter and safety for the few of our most vulnerable citizens who need it.
--Something about teach a man to fish and they will feed themselves.
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Yes,spend $$$$ on the Olympics,a party for the rich!...How about some money towards social housing for the homeless.Funny how some people applaud kicking the poor when they are down.I find it sad myself.
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Helping the poor is one thing. Helping crackheads is another. I dont mind my hard earned tax dollars going to help the truly poor ( ones working minimum wage jobs trying to get by ) but I dont want my tax dollars going to get that TDM who just stole from my backyard another fix. The screening process needs to be addressed more than anything. Why give to those who only want to take. I dont want my money going to lazy individuals who just refuse to get jobs and be contributing members of society.
If those crackheads are ready to be helped than fine they enter a rehab program ( that I dont mind paying for ) and get back into the workforce.
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Drug addiction is a disease...there are very few rehab facilitys available in Chilliwack if any to treat the addicted.The bank of the river is not a suitable place for the homeless to setup shop and angers us as fisherman to see this on our favorite fishing river...but is living under a bridge or in a dumpster behind safeway any different?
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Drug addiction is not a disease, it is a self inflicted problem. Nobody forced the first hit on them plus using drugs is a choice that they make. I have never read or heard of some one catching drug addiction from some one who was a user. Calling it a disease is just making excuses for the use of drugs.
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Saw on the news tonight its" National Homelessness Week" seems the problem is getting much worse with very little funding from governments coming in to biuld social housing.
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All you bleeding hearts are what people educated on the subject call enablers. There is a drug addict in every family somewhere down the line. Then there are the family members that try to help them out with money or food or shelter and these addicts just take the help then lie to you about where the money went you gave them and steal, steal, steal. I know first hand about the subject. These people care about nothing until they have hit rock bottom and its further than you think. 50% will be like this till the day they die. The other 50% need to be striped of everything they have (stolen) and turn your back on them until they are forced to rebuild there own lives. Only have one chance in my book and then lose my number. My sister has been clean 5yrs now and has her kids back and running a coffee shop. I couldn't be more proud of her. Countless old friends were not so lucky. There is a big difference between a homeless family and crackers who thrive on living this way always looking to score from you to support themselves. Don't feel bad ! These people need to be kicked while they're down too. Love it or hate it i don't live in a bubble.
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All you bleeding hearts are what people educated on the subject call enablers. There is a drug addict in every family somewhere down the line. Then there are the family members that try to help them out with money or food or shelter and these addicts just take the help then lie to you about where the money went you gave them and steal, steal, steal. I know first hand about the subject. These people care about nothing until they have hit rock bottom and its further than you think. 50% will be like this till the day they die. The other 50% need to be striped of everything they have (stolen) and turn your back on them until they are forced to rebuild there own lives. Only have one chance in my book and then lose my number. My sister has been clean 5yrs now and has her kids back and running a coffee shop. I couldn't be more proud of her. Countless old friends were not so lucky. There is a big difference between a homeless family and crackers who thrive on living this way always looking to score from you to support themselves. Don't feel bad ! These people need to be kicked while they're down too. Love it or hate it i don't live in a bubble.
EXACTLY!!!!
I also have had friends go through drug addiction and found what you said to be the same. Some make it, some dont. You mourn them if they leave for the good things but dont feel sorry for them as they chose the life they led.
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All you bleeding hearts are what people educated on the subject call enablers. There is a drug addict in every family somewhere down the line. Then there are the family members that try to help them out with money or food or shelter and these addicts just take the help then lie to you about where the money went you gave them and steal, steal, steal. I know first hand about the subject. These people care about nothing until they have hit rock bottom and its further than you think. 50% will be like this till the day they die. The other 50% need to be striped of everything they have (stolen) and turn your back on them until they are forced to rebuild there own lives. Only have one chance in my book and then lose my number. My sister has been clean 5yrs now and has her kids back and running a coffee shop. I couldn't be more proud of her. Countless old friends were not so lucky. There is a big difference between a homeless family and crackers who thrive on living this way always looking to score from you to support themselves. Don't feel bad ! These people need to be kicked while they're down too. Love it or hate it i don't live in a bubble.
Well said. Good on your sister on being clean 5 years.
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And how do you guys know these people were crackheads from what i read in the local paper here in chilliwack there was no stolen property found at the site.
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And how do you guys know these people were crackheads from what i read in the local paper here in chilliwack there was no stolen property found at the site.
"There were no high-end stolen goods found at the camp Friday, but there were a lot of bikes with their serial numbers scratched off, chainsaws, fishing equipment, propane bottles, a kayak - and bolt cutters."
#1 item on my camping equipment list is the bolt cutters ::)
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I guess some kids bike being stolen by a crackhead doesnt matter to you but how do you think that kid feels whose bike was stolen? Maybe his parents cant afford to buy him a new bike. Ya poor crackheads.....
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I have kids...the article i read didn't mention the stolen goods.I dont condone Drug addicts but i do feel for homeless people,i think society has failed big time in this respect,spending billions on the olympics instead of social housing to get these people off the streets.
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I have kids...the article i read didn't mention the stolen goods.I dont condone Drug addicts but i do feel for homeless people,i think society has failed big time in this respect,spending billions on the olympics instead of social housing to get these people off the streets.
Let's get real..... If it wasn't for things like the Olympics, evil new development projects, etc. etc., then there wouldn't be any money to be able to build any social housing...
I'm not saying I'm for all these things, but I realize that social services are not affordable unless the government has someplace to get the money(taxes). I can't believe there are still folks out there that think the government has a machine that just needs to be switched on and it pumps out money that should be used to help everbody?!? There will always be people on the streets. The easier you make it for people to get social services the more people you will have taking advantage of the system. While it is a problem that needs to be addressed, it is not a problem that will ever be solved.
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The problem is getting worse not any better.Maybe there will always be homeless people on the streets but the #s of people keep growing and growing, the government is doing nothing to stem the flow.People here celebrate the removal of the shanty town on Sweztler creek, but where are these people going to go?They may be Drug addicts but there still penniless with no help available.
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When we dismantled this site we did not find any drug paraphernalia, just some personal meds for one of the occupants. There were a lot of hand tools, 4-5 bikes and bicycle parts, all old and well used; many empty propane cylinders and small batteries, lots of lumber used for buildings and many, many tarps and blankets.
To my knowledge the RCMP found no stolen property but there was evidence of wire stripping.
There were considerable personal items like books, toothpaste, mirrors, shaving equipment, canned food and clothing. The fishing tackle we found was junk, probably just left by anglers. The housing and their contents varied between outright squalor (mould, wet blankets, etc) to pretty well built units with separate rooms and wood heaters, complete with insulated chimney pipes.
I have seen one of the occupants riding his bike around Vedder - not sure where he is living now.
As I posted earlier, kudos to the Integrated Land Management Bureau and the Ministry of Tourism, Sports and Arts for arranging this cleanup. I believe the high end development directly above this site, the eroding mountainside and the Provincial goal of hiding our homeless people from the soon to arrive Olympic tourists also played a role.
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Nice a first hand report of someone who was there.Were any of the occupants present and if so were they offered alternative accomodations?And yes you bring up a great issue whats Gordo going to do when the party for the rich begins i know there are alot of anti poverty groups gearing up big time to bring publicity to this issue during the olympics.
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Two of the occupants were present and yes they were offered alternate shelter.
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Nice a first hand report of someone who was there.Were any of the occupants present and if so were they offered alternative accomodations?And yes you bring up a great issue whats Gordo going to do when the party for the rich begins i know there are alot of anti poverty groups gearing up big time to bring publicity to this issue during the olympics.
So are you willing to pay more taxes to house crackheads? I'm not....
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You my friend just don't get it..no stolen property found on site and no drug paraphernalia...doesn't sound like drug addicts.Glad to hear they were offered accomodations elsewhere...i wonder if they accepted them or chose to keep living on the streets somewhere else?
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You my friend just don't get it..no stolen property found on site and no drug paraphernalia...doesn't sound like drug addicts.Glad to hear they were offered accomodations elsewhere...i wonder if they accepted them or chose to keep living on the streets somewhere else?
If you look over this thread you are in the minority with your bleeding heart. How do you know they are not crackheads? How do you know they are not criminals? If they are neither why are they not even working a minimum wage job contributing to society?
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You know i used to think like you, i despised homeless people because everything i have, i worked my a@$ off for.But since then i have seen first hand what someone goes through being drug addicted and homeless, i find no joy in the tearing down of the shelter on Sweztler creek ,not saying it wasnt needed,just another example of kicking the poor when they are down.We need more social housing to get these people off the streets.
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You know i used to think like you, i despised homeless people because everything i have, i worked my a@$ off for.But since then i have seen first hand what someone goes through being drug addicted and homeless, i find no joy in the tearing down of the shelter on Sweztler creek ,not saying it wasnt needed,just another example of kicking the poor when they are down.We need more social housing to get these people off the streets.
I worked on Main & Terminal in Vancouver for 5 years. I saw it all. I do not wear shaded glasses my friend. I feel sorry for the truly poor. One that work for a brutal minimum wage that can barely afford food or other necessities. Or how about single mothers with dead beat fathers who dont pay child support. The working poor are the people I feel sorry for and believe those are the people we need to help. We need to do things such as make more affordable housing, increase minimum wage, add more affordable training programs etc. I do NOT feel sorry for those who CHOOSE to live on the streets ( as their are many who do and panhandle etc for drugs and booze )
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At least some people are trying to get out of the hole and others are there to give them a hand.
http://www.bclocalnews.com/surrey_area/surreyleader/news/64124877.html
On Thursday (Oct. 15), the mission will hold it’s third annual Connect Day, part of Homeless Action Week, which runs Oct. 11-17 in Metro Vancouver.
Connect Day is designed to connect the homeless and impoverished with agencies and individuals who can help them.
If you want to volunteer to help with the Surrey Urban Mission’s Connect Day, call 604-581-5172 or e-mail sums@telus.net.
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I consider myself an advocate of the poor and like most folks, I do what I can to contribute through donations, sponsoring families for the holidays, delivering clothes etc ... But, there is no doubt in my mind that many of the pigeon park homeless folks choose their path. I have to side with bbronswyk on this one. The folks who struggle to get by but don't quit on life are the ones I feel most sorry for.
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I Or how about single mothers with dead beat fathers who dont pay child support.
That works both ways ! I have a few friends with dead beat moms who don't pay child support to the dads.
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That works both ways ! I have a few friends with dead beat moms who don't pay child support to the dads.
Your absolutely right.
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You my friend just don't get it..no stolen property found on site and no drug paraphernalia...doesn't sound like drug addicts.Glad to hear they were offered accomodations elsewhere...i wonder if they accepted them or chose to keep living on the streets somewhere else?
Buddy good way to boost your post count so you can read the reports. LOL ::) Anyways its clear you have no clue about drug addicts and their ways. Let me educate you a little more. When a drug addict steals something worth value it goes straight to the dealer. It does not go back to base camp for any amount of time period. If anything it gets stashed in the bush for a few hours until the ghost is clear then goes straight to the dealer end of story !!!!! Anything not of value gets littered along the way.( ID able items ) Example: empty wallets thrown in dumpsters downtown only to be returned by an honest dumpster divers or bin divers as they like to be called. A real homeless guy if you will. Next anything that may be used in the short term but nothing that can be ID'D as stolen will be brought back used up and discarded out the door. Blankets/clothes/batteries(everything) else on site. These items will not look stolen but these people have NO money. OK for you bleeding hearts 95% of the items will have been "found" or STOLEN. 5% they bought ::) Now as far as the NO DRUG PARAPHNALIA was found. These people do weird things with their baggies (like burn them in the fires they had every night ) and pipes and there was not likely much around as a meth pipe is very small and was most likely stash on the person or in the bush. Just because no big bong was found does not mean no evidence was mashed into the mess. These people are not stoners and most likely don't even smoke weed. Costs to much for the high you get when you can get high for days on $10 of meth. Next time your hearts bleedingand you want to waste your time and do something nice for these people buy them food and watch them eat it. You know with all the crackheads/thieves , and poachers on the vedder and all the people who politely ask them to quit. Its no wonder i like to fish garry point. :D I took my blinders off in high school . If i keep them on I would have worked for DFO.
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Not about reading the reports..I could care less..,i go out and make my own reports...you make some good points...how is it you know so much about how homeless people live and the way they go about thier business?I would like to hear your background on this subject.
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Well everything I've learned has been in the field not in a classroom. Drug addicts in the family. Friends that have gone down that path. Guys/girls that have come from rich and poor backgrounds. Everyone with a different story to long to write here. Now for work i clean out crack houses every other week. I've had money stolen by family, ive had crackers raiding my garage. Which were caught and no i didn't call the police. I drive around surrey and vancouver every day for work. I've had a crack house down the road from me for 2 yrs before it burnt down. I myself am no angel. I've tried everything under the sun in my twentys. When your dealing with these kinds of people you see things. I've never stole from anyone. Well thats not true I stole a box of condoms once in grade 7 and got busted. And no I wasnt going to use the condoms for sex. LOL Something about them when your young :-[ Let me tell you i learn my leasons well. My azz was red for 2 weeks. So ya I've seen with my own eyes the world of squatters/addicts addicts/enablers and my rich friends who do coke every other day but still keep it together. Just so ya know i dont drink, smoke cigs or do any hard drugs. I experimented in life and then grew up like your suppose too. I run 5k often fish/hunt have a model for a wife ;D (dont make me post a pic) train hard and eat right. So at 32 i have not lived a sheltered life. No churchy here. Spend some time talking to family members of addicts. They will tell. Homeless people i couldn't tell you a thing about. Apples and oranges to me
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Impressive..good on you bro...i have never cleaned up up a crack house so you know alot more about it then i do.I saw my good buddy lose everything to crack and yes he stole from me and his parents and whoever else he could, just to get his next hit.Last i heard hes in prison now busted for dealing the sh-t.He was a decent human being with a good family and had everything untill the drugs got a hold of him now he has nothing.
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There are no high end stolen goods because they sold them for drugs along with every other item of value they have ever had.That is why they live in a shanty town.The only things kept are 'tools of the trade' such as bolt cutters and there stolen bikes. :'(