Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: bentrod on December 13, 2008, 01:56:33 PM
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Just stirring the pot again. personally, I'll never eat a farmed fish. I do not like deyes in my food and won't eat an animal if I need to see an MSDS report on what they've been fed. I know I am being a little hypocritical here, but unlike many other foods, I have a reasonable opportunity to choose what kind of fish I eat.
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so you're saying if both is available at the same time? Then wild of course.
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I personally don't buy or order farmed fish myself, however, if I were invited over to someone's house for dinner and that was what was being served I would gladly partake as a grateful guest.
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Never and besides if I do not catch my own I never buy any other than canned sockeye as I donot work the water for them if you know what I mean. ;D ;D ;D
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;D Obviously , You are just not hungry enough ;D
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no i wouldn't eat a farmed fish,its not only the fish we should be concerned about eating ,some of the things that gets done to our beef and poultry cant be very good for you,i rarely buy beef from the super markets unless i have to,this year Ive got an elk and a deer in my freezer that is way better for you than the dye colored beef and the steroid fed chickens being pushed out at our supermarkets.
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Aren't salmon sushi or salmon sushimi served in Japanese restaurants farmed Atlantics ?
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no
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Like I have said before I would not even feed it to a cat and I hate cats.
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If it's a matter of taste I doubt if anyone could tell the difference between farmed and wild. If it's a matter of principal than people really need to be sure of the facts. If you just don't want to support farm salmon because you believe the industry negatively impacts the environment than I think one needs to be able to back that up with reasonable certainty and not from heresay. Did you know that a highly regarded foundation was recently found guilty of slander and was succesfully sued by the salmon farming industy? The information presented to the public by this foundation was complete bogus yet many people buy into this and base their decsions and opinions in regards to the salmon farming industry on this info. There are good and bad in all groups of people and same goes for industry.
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Well hopefully after the next provincial election when the Liberals get booted to the curb the NPD will get alot tougher on fish farms or just completly shut them down. Heck they export most of there crap out of the country anyways and there is probable only a few countries left where they have not destroyed the wild runs of their fish.
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You are seriously wrong. Wild salmon tatses way better than farmed salmon, anyone who can catch their own fish knows that :-X As for false info. I truly think that salmon stocks are seriously being depleted because of fish farms. Evidence does not lie when it comes to sea-lice. Pretty much every fresh fish you catch have them on them now. The number of outgoing salmon fry that die because of them are rediculous. I don't get how you can say that is "false" evidence? Just go out and look at all the infested minnows close to the farms, then go out into the ocean, away from farms and take a look.
Why is it that Alaskan stocks are flourishing, along with stocks in South Africa, etc, while ours are going down the toilet ??? It's not "ocean conditions" because it's the same freaking ocean. I don't think it is a coincedence that as soon as fish farms came around that our stocks went the same way as that of the East coast. Why don't they go farm their bloody salmon in a hole in the ground or away from fish migration routes, why have them smack dab in the middle.
Maybe you could provide us some evidence from you side that there is no environmental issues with the farms... if there is any.
BTW- back on topic.....
I do not eat farmed fish. Infact I eat very little fish now. Im mostly in it for the sport. When I do eat fish, they come from the end of my line and not out of a net ::)
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Did you know that a highly regarded foundation was recently found guilty of slander and was succesfully sued by the salmon farming industy?
Gord-you have a number facts wrong-badly wrong.
The case you're talking about is here http://tinyurl.com/573p9u
A hired gun was found guilty of defaming Creative Salmon true.
But that's all that happened-Friends of Clayoquot wasn't even charged.
Also-anyone who's ever been downwind of a Salmon Farm would never ever touch the stuff-not without a gun to their head. ::)
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I am sure some 3000 years ago at some kind of social gathering or a forum, someone asked the question:"Would you ever eat a farmed cow? The one you don't have to kill yourself".
And some guy went: Nooooooo, I would never eat a farmed cow....
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Don't put me on a side Everyday. I just think it's a really wide brush stroke being made here and think a lot of info from the media is crap. I catch my own fish and think a big part of why it tastes so much better is the manner in which it is handled from catch to plate. The process from catch to supermarket to plate is subject to a lot of opportunity where the product can degrade. Because of this any self caught fish is better than that of a supermarket IMO.
Sam Salmon: I'm very certain that I don't have a "number of facts wrong" and will leave it at that. Please don't misunderstand my comments. I don't mean to take sides I just think all too often people jump on these bandwagons without doing some diligent research on their own. On your comments about inland pens "hole in the ground", this would be a great idea to experiment (there are efforts being made and some inland pens in our province) if the industry in genral can't properly manage there ocean sites.
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I just did some web searches on farmed salmon and of course found lots of articles about the health hazzards, high levels of PCB's, imbalance of Omega-3 and omega-6...
So to be fair, I thought I'd search on "benefits of farmed salmon". The best I could find were topics like "The benefits of farmed salmon outweight the risks".
OUTWEIGH THE RISKS - are they kidding me ????
With so much good food around, why would I eat any food with KNOWN RISKS??
Lets build up the wild stocks!
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Just wanted to add a quick note about farmed salmon in restaurants.
I was in Cactus Club a few weeks ago and saw a reference to 'Oceanwise' salmon on the menu.
The info was vague so I asked the waiter and he said that it was farmed salmon.
I like Cactus Club but I definitely won't be ordering any salmon there.
The Oceanwise program is created by the Vancouver Aquarium and there are many more restaurants listed on their website:
http://www.vanaqua.org/oceanwise/ (http://www.vanaqua.org/oceanwise/)
A few of them are:
Joe Fortes
The Boathouse (?!)
The Canary (another ?! - one of my favorite restaurants)
Bishops
The Salmon House
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Just wanted to add a quick note about farmed salmon in restaurants.
I was in Cactus Club a few weeks ago and saw a reference to 'Oceanwise' salmon on the menu.
The info was vague so I asked the waiter and he said that it was farmed salmon.
I like Cactus Club but I definitely won't be ordering any salmon there.
The Oceanwise program is created by the Vancouver Aquarium and there are many more restaurants listed on their website:
http://www.vanaqua.org/oceanwise/ (http://www.vanaqua.org/oceanwise/)
Could be the Waiter was just clueless-hey it happens. ::)
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Just wanted to add a quick note about farmed salmon in restaurants.
I was in Cactus Club a few weeks ago and saw a reference to 'Oceanwise' salmon on the menu.
The info was vague so I asked the waiter and he said that it was farmed salmon.
I like Cactus Club but I definitely won't be ordering any salmon there.
The Oceanwise program is created by the Vancouver Aquarium and there are many more restaurants listed on their website:
http://www.vanaqua.org/oceanwise/ (http://www.vanaqua.org/oceanwise/)
A few of them are:
Joe Fortes
The Boathouse (?!)
The Canary (another ?! - one of my favorite restaurants)
Bishops
The Salmon House
There's a bit of a mix-up here. Restaurants that are in the Oceanwise program should not be avoided. The waiter most likely made a mistake. It is unlikely that Cactus Club serves farmed salmon, otherwise they wouldn't be in the program.
http://www.vanaqua.org/oceanwise/sustainable-seafood.html
Shrimp and prawns (such as tiger prawns) are typically farmed in coastal ponds that are created through the destruction of mangroves and wetland habitats and should be avoided. Open net pen finfish farms such as those used for Atlantic salmon also create major environmental concerns and should be avoided.
I also recall an episode of "Chef at Large" that featured fish dishes at Cactus Club and wild salmon was the ingredient.
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Food for thought.
Here is a viable & sustainable alternate source of inland farmed salmon (http://www.slowfoodvancouver.com/index.php/AgassizTour/category/swift_aquaculture/)
that is approved by the Van. aquarium and the Ocean Wise Program (http://www.vanaqua.org/oceanwise/).
Peace
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Food for thought.
Here is a viable & sustainable alternate source of inland farmed salmon (http://www.slowfoodvancouver.com/index.php/AgassizTour/category/swift_aquaculture/)
that is approved by the Van. aquarium and the Ocean Wise Program (http://www.vanaqua.org/oceanwise/).
Peace
Thanks for that-last I heard he had shut down for a while to retool.
I know a number of restaurants here in town carried his product at one time maybe they still do if he's back in biz.
EDIT-I see Bruce Swift is indeed back in the game as per this G&M article http://tinyurl.com/6hddq4
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Well hopefully after the next provincial election when the Liberals get booted to the curb the NPD will get alot tougher on fish farms or just completly shut them down. Heck they export most of there crap out of the country anyways and there is probable only a few countries left where they have not destroyed the wild runs of their fish.
i don't think they should shut down fish farms completely just make sure that they aren't harming the native salmon
if there weren't fish farms then there would only be fishing for the wild salmon which would thin their numbers even more
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Well hopefully after the next provincial election when the Liberals get booted to the curb the NPD will get alot tougher on fish farms or just completly shut them down. Heck they export most of there crap out of the country anyways and there is probable only a few countries left where they have not destroyed the wild runs of their fish.
Your kidding right??? NDP wont get rid of fish farms. It makes too much money for the province. They are not going anywhere under any government.
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Here's an brief history of what's happened with salmon farming. Looks like desease outbreaks spread really quickly.
http://www.seaweb.org/resources/aquaculturecenter/documents/Salmon_Timeline.pdf
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Fish farms kill wild stocks....Period and proven!!!
These euro owned companies moved here after nearly wiping out their own runs and getting kicked out, there are ways to do it where it will not effect the wild stocks but greed drives these companies and they will not do so unless legally forced..
If you think they care then you need to give your head a shake, why would you be at all concerned when your wiping out your competition and can make more when they are gone??
This painted with a wide brush? There is so much proof of the damages these farms do it's just flat out stupid to say they don't..and I stand by that 100%...The only people I ever hear argue for these companies are the ones who are in some way financially dependent or employed by said companies!!!
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Would I eat a farmed fish? Not on your life! Neither will I allow any in my house, or any of my family to eat any! You don't see all the stuff that finds it's way into my hands, and I'll tell you if you got the chance to read some of the reports I have seen you would be so grossed out that you could barf for a week. I don't even like to talk about the subject now!
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Well hopefully after the next provincial election when the Liberals get booted to the curb the NPD will get alot tougher on fish farms or just completly shut them down. Heck they export most of there crap out of the country anyways and there is probable only a few countries left where they have not destroyed the wild runs of their fish.
Your kidding right??? NDP wont get rid of fish farms. It makes too much money for the province. They are not going anywhere under any government.
This has already been stated by the NDP Brian. They have been the driving force behind stopping fish farms. Have you not read the report that was put out by the government group that was chaired by the NDP. Gordo put this group together and put mostly NDP in it in hopes that it would be a positive report and then he could say " see even the NDP think it is a good idea. But this back fired on him as it was a very negative report so he buried it.