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Fishing in British Columbia => Fishing-related Issues & News => Topic started by: tyee1on on October 29, 2008, 07:49:42 PM

Title: lots of nets
Post by: tyee1on on October 29, 2008, 07:49:42 PM
whats with all the nets in river i saw20 boats out there today there gos the cohos, Thompson steelhead .but its ok to close the rivers for us!!!
Title: Re: lots of nets
Post by: Fish Assassin on October 29, 2008, 08:01:37 PM
First Nations chum fishery
Title: Re: lots of nets
Post by: SmokeyRiver on October 29, 2008, 08:09:18 PM
Ha Ha roe fishery
Title: Re: lots of nets
Post by: Geff_t on October 29, 2008, 08:13:09 PM
There is also a 12 hour commercial opening for the mouth of the fraser tomorrow.
Title: Re: lots of nets
Post by: Rodney on October 29, 2008, 08:15:03 PM
There is also a 12 hour commercial opening for the mouth of the fraser tomorrow.

The 12 hour commercial opening was today. Those were commercial nets tyee1on saw today.
Title: Re: lots of nets
Post by: Morty on October 29, 2008, 09:40:37 PM
There are also First Nations: drift net and beach seine openings right through to November 3rd.

http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fraserriver/firstnations/HTMLs/CommunalOpeningTimes.html

Rec fishing anywhere east of the mouth may be slow for a while.  Rod may be getting lots of company out at Garry Point.
Title: Re: lots of nets
Post by: tyee1on on October 29, 2008, 09:46:47 PM
no coho no steelhead in the rivers but they say  thats ok soon there will be no nets and no fish so then comes the dams and the big money thats what this is all about so start selling your gear i am
Title: Re: lots of nets
Post by: Rodney on October 29, 2008, 09:50:58 PM
Rod may be getting lots of company out at Garry Point.

That's good. It has been awfully lonely down there this season. ;D
Title: Re: lots of nets
Post by: Nicole on October 30, 2008, 12:01:12 AM
Well hopefully everyone will do their part and boycott commerically available chum roe...

Cheers,
Nicole
Title: Re: lots of nets
Post by: BwiBwi on October 30, 2008, 12:45:54 AM
Why?
Title: Re: lots of nets
Post by: Chromie on October 30, 2008, 06:38:23 AM
You wont even see the roe here... it all mostly goes out to other countries that pay big bucks for it. Like Russia ... thatís why there is a market for roe itís not like bc has a huge demand for it.
Title: Re: lots of nets
Post by: Nicole on October 30, 2008, 09:24:13 AM
Why?

I'm glad you asked...

Thompson steelhead migrate up the river at the same time as the chum, peaking around October 17th - the problem is, there were none caught in the test fishery during the migration peak, and for the first time in history, Provincial biologists are concerned there will not be enough fish coming back to re-propogate the run...

Thompson steelhead are bycatch in these chum openings.

Cheers,
Nicole
Title: Re: lots of nets
Post by: Castermaster on October 30, 2008, 11:37:14 AM
I also saw the chum fisheries in the Harrison where it meets the Fraser. Probably 50 or so of those big plastic tanks loaded to the rim with chum. Do they smoke these fish ??
Title: Re: lots of nets
Post by: tyee1on on October 30, 2008, 01:01:30 PM
what is a  bycatch ?
Title: Re: lots of nets
Post by: Morty on October 30, 2008, 01:07:38 PM
"mouth of the Harrison"  ???
When you read the openings schedule you will see that they're all the way up to Hope.

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We need to do more than not buy roe.  For the past few months I've been trying to prod the readers of this site into taking some action.
What's it going to take????  The people who make the decisions are influenced by votes.   WE just let a Federal election go by without doing much. 

There's a Provincial election coming and we cannot afford to wait until the week of the election to START.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO  ???
Title: Re: lots of nets
Post by: BwiBwi on October 30, 2008, 03:31:48 PM
Why?

I'm glad you asked...

Thompson steelhead migrate up the river at the same time as the chum, peaking around October 17th - the problem is, there were none caught in the test fishery during the migration peak, and for the first time in history, Provincial biologists are concerned there will not be enough fish coming back to re-propogate the run...

Thompson steelhead are bycatch in these chum openings.

Cheers,
Nicole

Aren't FN and commercial fishery required to release bycatch?
Title: Re: lots of nets
Post by: Iris on October 30, 2008, 03:46:39 PM
Good work Morty. Thanks for posting information on these "permanent" openings. I think that many are surprised by the extent of it. These 'openings', plus fish farms, should just about decimate the stocks. We have lost the Thompson this year, perhaps forever, what's next?
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Oh, Tyee1on, bycatch..that is the 'incidental' catch of a species caught under the pretense of 'only' targeting a different species, like steelhead and coho during the chum fisheries.
Anyone who has observed the chum fishery can attest this is significant.



Title: Re: lots of nets
Post by: tyee1on on October 30, 2008, 03:57:08 PM
thx Iris i watched then net last week they killed what ever was in the net we got in a boat and pulled up to then and told then to put the coho back they said  f---k off
Title: Re: lots of nets
Post by: Iris on October 30, 2008, 03:59:20 PM
Aren't FN and commercial fishery required to release bycatch?
Good question.

Anybody know if they are required to release the live ones?
Title: Re: lots of nets
Post by: Iris on October 30, 2008, 04:02:18 PM
Unfortunately, I have witnessed the same practices many, many times (got a similar response as well).
Title: Re: lots of nets
Post by: Nicole on October 30, 2008, 04:13:35 PM
As far as I know, the FN do not release any steelhead... They have no revival tanks either, and are currently not required to by any law.

The commies must release, but there are a percentage of steelhead that will die with every set... Multiply that by 150 boats and what you get could be disaterous.

Here's an example from last year, October 27th, for those who missed it:

http://www.watershed-watch.org/news/item.html?nid=157

(http://www.watershed-watch.org/assets/images/programs/Steelhead-Chum.jpg)

As an aside, if anyone would like to act as an on board monitor, please let me know for next year, there was an opportunity for today, but the notice came too late. Next year I will be on board one of those boats.

Cheers,
Nicole
Title: Re: lots of nets
Post by: BwiBwi on October 30, 2008, 05:28:35 PM
Any official record on no. of bycatch during opening? Both FN and commercial?
Title: Re: lots of nets
Post by: kingpin on October 30, 2008, 05:33:12 PM
even the loss of one thompson fish is too great imo....
Title: Re: lots of nets
Post by: Fish Assassin on October 30, 2008, 05:59:46 PM
what is a  bycatch ?

Anything that is not the targetted species.
Title: Re: lots of nets
Post by: Nicole on October 30, 2008, 06:43:49 PM
You wont even see the roe here... it all mostly goes out to other countries that pay big bucks for it. Like Russia ... thatís why there is a market for roe itís not like bc has a huge demand for it.

Care to guess where this roe comes from?

http://www.berrysbait.com/freshwater.aspx

Please note: Effective October the 7th the bait ban lifts on the Fraser River .  We will begin selling boraxed Chum roe on Friday October the 3rd, please try and pre-order to ensure that you get some bait.

Feel free to correct this... No offense to Barry's Bait, this link was highlighted from another site... Most tackle shops sell fresh roe.

Cheers,
Nicole
Title: Re: lots of nets
Post by: Morty on October 30, 2008, 10:15:27 PM
Do you all really NOT care about being able to fish in the future.  I don't mean 10 or 15 years - I mean NEXT year, and the next.  Every year for the past 5 the returns are getting lower and lower.  Any other year at this time if you approached the water's edge there would be Chum scattering in every direction.  I haven't seen that happen once this year and I'm on the river at least once every week. 
Sockeye counts so low there were hardly any fishing opportunities.
Chinook counts so low that there were size restrictions and the Chilliwack Hatchery had to move the boundary down just to get the minimum number of brood stock.
Coho so few and far between that there's few limits taken on ANY river in the Fraser catch basin.
It's a REALLY BAD sign when there's hardly any Chum.

How few fish do there need to be before we take some action???