Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: mark on November 18, 2005, 08:45:50 PM
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So what is with the mla's getting a raise but yet school teachers get shafted. Our government is screwed right up man. Inflation here we come. >:(
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I see that the NDP Leader Carole James is now calling for a review. Where was she and her party when they voted with the Liberals for the raise ? All politicians are crooks.
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Yes I agree.
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don't forget that they also ok'ed to increase their expenses and also ot back some benefits that were taken away previous because it was just crazy how much they were getting. in other words, when you are thinking about how much the mla's just got don't forget to include more benefits, more expenses to write off and a raise. also don't forget old gordo's getting a raise as well.
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just read the facts about the raises. gordo's getting a 21.5% increase (119,500-146,320), mla's getting a %15 increase (75,400-86,580). workers in bc getting zero and minimum wage is now $6.
sounds pretty equitable...not!
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Our local MLA who is NDP is making almost twice as much as a beginning teacher. Teacher takes 5-6 years of school. This MLA was a mill worker before getting into politics. What % have the governments wages gone up in last 5-10 years?? Maybe the teachers paid for these increases since the government is refusing to give the money saved back to the school boards! But lets just accept it like sheep because as so many said during the teachers strike if it is legislated than it is democratic and lawful!! ;) >:( The average guy getting screwed again by the already in most cases wealthy! :'(
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Politians should be given minimum wages and see if they can live off that.
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I guess you also have to put things in perspective, MLA's had no pention plan the last 10 years, Teachers do.
MLA's need to work 6 years to recieve the pention package, in other words if they don't get re-elected by their constituants, they recieve nothing.
BC teachers are some of the best paid and best pention packages in Canada, the MLA's were not.
The MLA's also took a rollback in wages the last term they were in office ( altho it was a single term , and went back to their regular wages after the last election).
The Premier would have to work over 4 years to earn the minimum wage of a NHL rookie.
Alot of MLA's are highly educated people that if they worked in the private sector they would earn alot more (alot are lawyers, how many lawyers earn less than the Premier a year??)
I think if you add up the wages of the higher paid teachers, add in their pention plan and such it would be close to a MLA's up till this point.
Also if you add it up it works out to be abot 4 million a year, If the teachers and public sector unions got even 10% it would probably about 5 billion a year. A bit of a differance..
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The Premier would have to work over 4 years to earn the minimum wage of a NHL rookie.
What does the NHL has to do with BC politicians voting themselves a raise ?
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Do I agree with the raises that the MLAs gave themselves absolutely not. It was done in secrecy and they knew full well that once unveiled it would meet with derision from the general public ....but they still did it. Aside from politics, you name me a profession where you can go in talk to your boss and say you want a 15 to 20 percent raise. After the boss has stopped laughing, don't be surprised if he also asks you what you have been smoking.
The other thing that really bothers me is that some of those politicians know this is wrong to accept such a ridiculous wage increase yet they turn the other cheek and take the money. I have yet to hear that an MLA is going to refuse the raise and send it back.
And if I hear an MLA say they are underpaid ever again, my words of advice to him or her would be to quit and to go out in the private sector and make all those big bucks that they say they can. Just my thoughts on the matter.
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Ahaa, there is a differance on wether the MLS's deserve the raise and how they got it. I do agree that the way they got it without debate ( mind you with the NDP in cahoots with this ,who is to debate it?) is suspect, at least it does not come into effect untill April 1 2006 so the public will have alot of time to scream and yell and in the mean time and the NDP now wants a stop in process due to the flack being caused (altho the public sector unions should not say a word in my opinion so they can use it as a bargaining chip in the next round of talks.)
Remember this is a 4 million dollar raise (about a dollar per British Coumbian) if the public public sector unions recieved the same it would be in the 4-5 billion dollar range I believe, (about a thousand per British Columbian) a bit of a differance.
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Don't forget in unions the members pay their own dues. ;)
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like i said before... the government is the biggest form of organized crime... at any level.
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Well it looks like the mla's might not be getting their raise now.LOL :'(
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Guess some of them has to get a second job at McDonalds to make ends meet ;)
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Guess some of them has to get a second job at McDonalds to make ends meet ;)
With a starting wage of $6 a hour. ;D ;D
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I thought min. wage is $8.50?
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$6 is for total non experienced.
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We're talking about politicians here. What do they know about anything ? Their executive assistants or public servants do all their work.
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They will amend in such a way as to make certain that they get what they want! They can always pass BILLwhatever! Then it will be ok! I think the NDP was all in on this until they heard the backlash or they just said they werwe so that they could play the game! Either way, they will get their raise somehow!
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Couldn't agree with you more BigGuy
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It would be great if we could march on Victoria and fire the whole lot, and start all over with people who genuinely want to serve the public! ??? ;D Dare to dream, dare to dream. ;D ;D ::)
A good way to follow up this MLA wage hike reversal is to bring back democracy to the people by ripping up Bill 11 and Bill 29. With a shortage of health care workers in BC, how can you justify a wage reduction of $3/hour? And the teachers having to strike to bring attention to class sizes and special needs funding! The MLA's demand dedicated public service from every one else, but don't deliver themselves! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
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I don't know many higher educated people that would give up their jobs in the prime of their careers to go to a high stress non-secure job away from their families a couple months of the year with no pention plan. (and no it doesn't pay as well as most think , a GVRD systems manager makes more than the Premier)
As for the HEU workers that lost some of their wages, thats a pretty sticky subject. I don't believe that a cleaner,foodworker, dishwasher,laundry personel, grounds maintanance (non University jobs) should be paid in the same class as perhaps the plumers, electricians,lab techs and such ( University or Trade labourers) Yet all are the same union.
One thing I noticed when Carol James wanted the bill shelved is that in that bill also included extra money for the oppisition to hire extra office workers, now that the bill is off the table, so is the oppisitions help..