Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Truecast on September 19, 2005, 10:37:59 AM
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I've been fishing most of my life but am quite new to salmon fishing. Decided to make a
commitment to it this year,and have landed several Pinks.
My goal is to try and land at least one of each of the four major salmon species this fall and I
suspect some good roe may play a major part.
Seems like everyone has their preferences for treating their roe, and their secrets too. Hoping
some of you may share some basic info.
I've frozen some already straight up in brown freezer paper under a friends recommendation but
have seen postings dictating otherwise.Any tips would be good ones :-\
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Well you are going to have to cure it. For this I just lay it out opened up on a srcreen skin side up. I leave mine out in the air for at least ten hrs. Then cut it up into quarter sized pcs, and throw it in borax. You can use procure or color it as well, but I've found that natural, with no added color works the best for me. But everyone has there own way of doing it.
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I just use borax on my pink roe. With chinook or chum roe I prefer ProCure and my secret recipe.
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I just cure some roe and ionno i think its screwed up i followed the directions perfectly on the back of the tub that i got of borax/pro cure stuff. Then i tried it for about 12 hours and its still soft! it wont even freaking go on a hook it just explodes and thats it but its firm enough to tie into a sack so gona have to do that. Anyone have any ideas what happend. I used 2 cups of the mix 1 cup sugar , 1 cup salt and 2 liters of water. Left the roe in the cure for about 2 hours then dried it.
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I just cure some roe and ionno i think its screwed up i followed the directions perfectly on the back of the tub that i got of borax/pro cure stuff. Then i tried it for about 12 hours and its still soft! it wont even freaking go on a hook it just explodes and thats it but its firm enough to tie into a sack so gona have to do that. Anyone have any ideas what happend. I used 2 cups of the mix 1 cup sugar , 1 cup salt and 2 liters of water. Left the roe in the cure for about 2 hours then dried it.
The first think I noticed is that you used water? I've never heard of it. I have always been very simple with my roe. If I'm using borax, then I just use borax. If I'm salting the roe, I just use salt. Both salt and borax are used to take water out of the roe. Perhaps it's this "mix" you write of, water might just be part of the instructions for it, but that is my guess. And I always cure for at least 24 hours.
If you're new to curing roe, start simple.
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Ya floater what the heck is the water for, you r tryin to get the moisture out not in :D
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I think Floater is using a brine cure. Drain your eggs and lay them out on paper towel to dry overnight. Should be OK. (I think !)
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Even thsi site says use freaking water! ahh what the heck so just borax die and salt on the roe works?
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I think Floater is using a brine cure. Drain your eggs and lay them out on paper towel to dry overnight. Should be OK. (I think !)
I did it didnt work the roe isant hard enough you cant hook it like i said.
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Thanks guys. I think for now I'll keep it simple and Borax it when I pull it out, everyone seems to
agree on that. Once I get that down I'll look into some other treatments. But how long will it keep
once dried and boraxed, and is it o.k. to freeze??... and if it is should I dry it before I freeze it??
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I think Floater is using a brine cure. Drain your eggs and lay them out on paper towel to dry overnight. Should be OK. (I think !)
I did it didnt work the roe isant hard enough you cant hook it like i said.
Have you tried fishing it in a bait loop either on its own or using spawn sacks?
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Thanks guys. I think for now I'll keep it simple and Borax it when I pull it out, everyone seems to
agree on that. Once I get that down I'll look into some other treatments. But how long will it keep
once dried and boraxed, and is it o.k. to freeze??... and if it is should I dry it before I freeze it??
Yes, you can freeze it. No problems
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I think Floater is using a brine cure. Drain your eggs and lay them out on paper towel to dry overnight. Should be OK. (I think !)
I did it didnt work the roe isant hard enough you cant hook it like i said.
You don't want it to be "hard". Biffchan has a good suggestion in using it as roe bags.
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I think Floater is using a brine cure. Drain your eggs and lay them out on paper towel to dry overnight. Should be OK. (I think !)
I did it didnt work the roe isant hard enough you cant hook it like i said.
You don't want it to be "hard". Biffchan has a good suggestion in using it as roe bags.
I know im gona do that either way but how do some people use the roe right on the hook cuz right now i cant hook mine on and its been drying in borax for liek 12 hours.
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In my original post I said 4 species instead of five. Surprised no one said anything.Anyhow I never
planned on getting any Sockeye.I'm not big on flossing.
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the sure that i use have 4 cups of water then u dry them out after for about 2 hours and there are delight full :)
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Are they still soft or hard when you dry them out?
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The roe will be firm, but what your looking for is that the skin that holds the roe together is tough. The skin is actually what is holding onto the hook. But you are going to have to use a bait loop no matter how you cure it. I put my hook through the skin then feed half the roe through the bait loop. Holds on fine for me. Just dry out the roe you have some more like another 8-10 hrs, then cut it up and put it in borax. Then it goes to the fridge and leave it for 2-3 days, it will firm up a bit.
Hope that that works out for you. From now on though I would suggest that you just dry out the roe for upwards of 24hrs then cut it up, borax it then leave it in the fridge. Mine has always turned out real good this way. ;) ;)
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I think Floater is using a brine cure. Drain your eggs and lay them out on paper towel to dry overnight. Should be OK. (I think !)
I did it didnt work the roe isant hard enough you cant hook it like i said.
You don't want it to be "hard". Biffchan has a good suggestion in using it as roe bags.
I know im gona do that either way but how do some people use the roe right on the hook cuz right now i cant hook mine on and its been drying in borax for liek 12 hours.
are you saying, you're trying to pierce the eggs on the hook? ???
you should be able to roll them gently between your thumb and index finger without exploding...bait loop should work as long as the skein is intact.
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If still wet, dry longer. ;)
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Yah i covered in borax and salt and its forming up nwo gona leave it overnight to make it even more firm thx for the info guys this was my first try but i think i can pull it of perfect next time. Next will be the test will the roe really land me a coho this saturday. :P
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I hope that you get one floater. But if we don't get some rain by the weekend, I think that everyone might have a hard time hooking one. Went to my fav run on sat, and all the coho that were there had moved out and pinks moved in. Didn't see a coho all day, in a run that always holds coho. So I'll do the rain dance if I have to but we have to get some rain. I'm sure that some people will get the odd one, don't know if that will be me or not. Maybe it can be you!!!! ;D ;D
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Yah big steal that would be nice. I have another question whats the best way to tie roe sacks onto your hook is there any other way but a bait loop and even then how does that work dont you crush the roe?
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You don't tie your roe bag onto your hook. Insert the hook under the knot.
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Floater don't worry about crushing the roe, It is only fishing line. Feed half the piece of roe through the bait loop, then just pull your line, and tighten the bait loop. The line will cut into the roe a bit but that is ok, It won't cut the skin that is the important part. But the way, do you know how to tie a bait loop????There a pain if you don't but once you've got them figured out it only take 5 seconds to tie on up real nice!!!!I'm sure that there is a diagram out there for you to learn from. Maybe someone else out there can find that for you ;) I would but I gotta go. Let me know how it works out for you. Fishin assasin is right about the roe sack. But for coho I think from my experience that boraxed roe, not in a sack is the best. I love roe sacks for steelhead though. Just personal preference I guess. Whatever you are confident with!!!!
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i like the bait loop method for the 'natural' look, but i will use roe sacks for faster water.
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http://www.piscatorialpursuits.com/movies/bigmqloop.mpg
This video clip shows you how to tie bait loop
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OMG thats so simple thx for the video bwi bwi.
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This might help too http://www.puffballs.net/how_to_use.asp
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This might help too http://www.puffballs.net/how_to_use.asp
thanks for the link. just wondering, would the puff balls make the bait, float above the weight?
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thanks for the link. just wondering, would the puff balls make the bait, float above the weight?
from my experience, the puffballs are very very light, so they don't add much floatation to your roe presentation uless you use single eggs. the puffballs are similar in density to a small piece of a popped kernel of popcorn
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What is the exact point of putting on a puff ball?
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I guess it's for your bait (roe) to float higher than the botton of you use not too short of a float length
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Thanks for all these tips. First try with the double red hot and they turned out amazing. Looking forward to trying it out but theres something called work in the way. Tight lines.
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GAh the roe was a disaster it would like melt or something in the water but its firm i give up on the roe!!!!!! wool seems to work just as fine if not better.
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If you're coming to the river cleanup tomorrow, my roe will be in the cooler, my rod will be in my car, feel free to ask to see how I do the setup.
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Gona give the roe one more try just wana make sure this cure will do the job. Im gona put salt borax and the pro cure colour stuff and let dry for 12 hours. This is all going right on the roe no water or anything.
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Go with the straight procure. Apply the borax after drying and freeze.
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How many casts does the roe last for you guys for me after 4 cast or so it would like melt away or somethign just the skein would be left and i used a bait loop it was very frustrating even the sacks i tied the roe inside would melt or something and they wouldent be tight anymore.
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I have the same problem
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You can cure your eggs to last a long time in the water but that is not what you're after. Your roe should be soft and pliable enough to last a number of casts and at the same time leave a trail of scent.
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yes but 4 cast and the roe dissapears is that how its ment to be cuz its pretty frustrating it can take up to 20 cast for a fish sometimes.
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Should last more than 4 casts. Think you're doing something wrong.
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remember to butterfly the skeins open, sprinkle some procure over the roe and let sit for 45 min. take roe out and drain over screen or paper towels changing them when wet. Do this for a a few hours. Now coat the roe in borax and dry for a few more hours. Now store roe in more borax till you go fishing in ziplock bags, mason jars or whatever. I don't dry my roe for too long as i find they dry out over time when in the freezer.
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yes but 4 cast and the roe dissapears is that how its ment to be cuz its pretty frustrating it can take up to 20 cast for a fish sometimes.
As many others have said use roe bags as I have found they work just as well for coho and are a lot cleaner to work with.
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I cured roe from my spring same day and its a CHARM! thx for all your info guys cant wait to test it out on the vedder this weekend.