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Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: Randog on January 17, 2005, 09:26:16 PM
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About a month ago while studying for my guides exam, I came across a couple of "Grey areas" in the Fresh water fishing synopsis. By reading the regulation below it indicated that an angler can retain 2 hatchery steelhead from the Chilliwack/ Vedder system. One between Slesse Cr. and the crossing bridge, and one below the crossing bridge. I thought they changed the Reg's to one hatchery steelhead in '97 or '98. How do you guys read that regulation? I have a couple of more discrepancies to follow.
http://wlapwww.gov.bc.ca/fw/fish/pdf/region_2.pdf
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On that note...is the dusk to dawn prohibition in place for Steelhead? I recall it always said "Salmon", and don't remember reading anything in the regs.
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One hatchery steelhead per day in the Chilliwack - Vedder system. I do agree with your interpretation that the Regulations seems to suggest one above Vedder Crossing and one below.
On another topic, will you be starting your own guiding business ?
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Why then? Do you figure you'll need one? :o
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;D ;D
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Isn't it unethical to post someone elses picture without permission?
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Randog: The reg certainly need some modifications for easy interpretation. What they can do is, under Chilliwack/Vedder River, use one row for daily quota of trout and steelhead (since they are the same for both sections/entire system), and use separate rows for gear restrictions, closures and openings for sections.
Fulcrum: If you choose not to contribute anything constructive, and intend to make those little sarcastic remarks that are rather repetitive, then please do not even bother to post. Credibility has already been lost, and most are already tired of the way you choose to belittle others. Funny, apparently an individual becomes more ethical than everyone else once he or she has overcome the temptation and stopped flossing for sockeye. I wonder what does that make people like me who have never even flossed for sockeye before, a Saint? ::)
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Don't bother, I'm not really interested.
It was a joke, get it? The last thing I wish for on earth would be to become more holier than others.
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Let's have a chat about your saint hood in person on the 29th rodney. 8)
Well Fulocum, Rodney may have declined your invitation, but I would accept it. What is it that you would want to chat about?
I think that most of the readers here know that a bunch of your buddies started another site, and that now in a sense you are repping that site. If you want that site to grow, the site needs to have integrity and a rep, not just having a sole flavour of the month (that being "ethics"... lol). When you make elementary school level posts, you negatively affect your site's integrity which directly affects the site's rep because you are a part of that site. Althought this concept may be hard for you to comprehend, maybe you should think twice before clikcking the "Post" button. If not for the readers of FWR's sake (you probably have little to no integrity here anyways, your posts get boring after the first word) but for the future success of your buddies' site. Think about it, I know you can. We have faith in you.
Shane
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Interesting change in direction of this thread. I am relatively new to this forum and follow the "goings on" on other forums. I even crashed a gathering put on by the SR group, as I was in the area. Seems like an ok bunch of people with some good ideas and were definitely nice and friendly enough by welcoming me to their fire and offering me refreshments and food.
Don't take this the wrong way.......
I don't spend allot of time on this forum or the SR forum...I mainly hang out in Fish BC. I don't know what the beefs are, I don't care as well. But when I see cheap shot posts by founding members or the likes of....well it just seems petty to me, and makes me think twice about where I would want to contribute.
Just a neutral view of whats happening to our cyber fishing community.
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Isn't it unethical to post someone elses picture without permission?
I wouldn't have put it on the 'Net if I was afraid of what people would do with it. Thanks for you concern though. Any image on the 'Net is available for "fair use". i.e. it can be used to illustrate a point, help someone out, etc. But it CANNOT be misrepresented as belonging to anyone other than the original creator of the picture, unless they have expressly released it for use into the public domain.
Of course, that means that I can use your images to illustrate that perhaps a guide could help you avoid THIS situation in the future, and teach you how to release a dark chinook WITHOUT dragging it on the rocks :)
(http://www.sfu.ca/~kriddell/chinook.JPG)
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Of course, that means that I can use your images to illustrate that perhaps a guide could help you avoid THIS situation in the future, and teach you how to release a dark chinook WITHOUT dragging it on the rocks :)
(http://www.sfu.ca/~kriddell/chinook.JPG)
Bahahahahahahaa!!! I knew that one was going to come back. ;D ;D ;D
And itosh, your snide remarks about another site could also be seen as being counter productive to this site as you are obviously poking fun at the serious lack of lack of ethics in some fisheries and that particular websites dedication to changing those problems.
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Back to the question!
Page 30 says... 2 steelhead over 50 cm allowed.
Page 32 says... 1 hatchery steelhead daily quota between Slessy & Vedder Crossing.
1 hatchery steelhead daily quota below Vedder Crossing.
However, here is the clincher...
British Columbia Sport Fishing Regulations, 1996
SOR/96-137
Registration 5 March, 1996
FISHERIES ACT
PART V
FISHING FOR FIN FISH OTHER THAN SALMON IN NON-TIDAL WATERS
Daily Quotas
56. (1) No person shall catch and retain in a day more fish of a species set out in column I of Schedule VII, of an overall length set out in column II, than
(2) A person who, in a day, has caught and retained the daily quota for steelhead in a lake or stream shall cease fishing in that lake or stream for the rest of the day. SOR/2001-156, s. 13.Aggregate Daily Quotas
Aggregate Daily Quotas
57. No person shall catch and retain in a day from any lake or stream, more than
(a) six wild rainbow trout and hatchery rainbow trout, in the aggregate;
(b) one wild steelhead and hatchery steelhead, in the aggregate;
ONLY ONE PER DAY
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So that would imply that all rivers have a one fish limit on hatch fish then?
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(2) A person who, in a day, has caught and retained the daily quota for steelhead in a lake or stream shall cease fishing in that lake or stream for the rest of the day. SOR/2001-156, s. 13.Aggregate Daily Quotas
Aggregate Daily Quotas
57. No person shall catch and retain in a day from any lake or stream, more than
(a) six wild rainbow trout and hatchery rainbow trout, in the aggregate;
(b) one wild steelhead and hatchery steelhead, in the aggregate;
So, if (and this is a BIG IF) I should happen to catch a hatch Steel on the Vedder early in the morning, I could go and play C&R on any OTHER river system after that from what I understand.
Also, I still think you can fish steel 24/7 can't you?
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Isn't it unethical to post someone elses picture without permission?
I wouldn't have put it on the 'Net if I was afraid of what people would do with it. Thanks for you concern though. Any image on the 'Net is available for "fair use". i.e. it can be used to illustrate a point, help someone out, etc. But it CANNOT be misrepresented as belonging to anyone other than the original creator of the picture, unless they have expressly released it for use into the public domain.
Of course, that means that I can use your images to illustrate that perhaps a guide could help you avoid THIS situation in the future, and teach you how to release a dark chinook WITHOUT dragging it on the rocks :)
(http://www.sfu.ca/~kriddell/chinook.JPG)
Lets not jump to conclusions, maybe he kept that fish. After all taking things out of context gets people excited.
However, there are things in that particular gallery that are unaaceptable, personal attacks and derogatory slander are not cool. One of my best friends is a 'HOMO' and was not impressed by that. Although wait, apparently any pic on the interent is fair game assuming its being used in its correct context. So then in theory if someone was dumb enough to post a pic of a certain fishing spot that they named after themself on the interent then it would be fair game for me to show it post it and give directions to it. But wait, rather than posting this pic I warned you about it and in exchange I got chastized. Class act right there.
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Daily Quotas
56. (1) No person shall catch and retain in a day more fish of a species set out in column I of Schedule VII, of an overall length set out in column II, than
(2) A person who, in a day, has caught and retained the daily quota for steelhead in a lake or stream shall cease fishing in that lake or stream for the rest of the day. SOR/2001-156, s. 13.Aggregate Daily Quotas
Aggregate Daily Quotas
57. No person shall catch and retain in a day from any lake or stream, more than
(a) six wild rainbow trout and hatchery rainbow trout, in the aggregate;
(b) one wild steelhead and hatchery steelhead, in the aggregate;
ONLY ONE PER DAY
Monthly Quota for Steelhead
59. No person shall catch and retain in a month more than two steelhead in any lake or stream. SOR/2002-380, s. 10.
ONLY TWO PER MONTH
;) ;) ;)
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I must be obtuse....where are these specific regs listed? (I can't find the number 57 in either province-wide, or region 2 regs)
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Hmm... I'm quite disapointed DS. :o
Go to www.google.ca and type in:
57. No person shall catch and retain
It should take you here:
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/F-14/SOR-96-137/text.html
;)
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click the link it's there in black and white :o #59
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Hmm... I'm quite disapointed DS. :o
Go to www.google.ca and type in:
57. No person shall catch and retain
It should take you here:
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/F-14/SOR-96-137/text.html
;)
Unfotunately I just checked the provincial regs. Yes, it's interesting to see that #59 IS in the ammendment to the act, dated 2002. I wonder if there are any people in violation of THAT? And...why doesn't the province put that in the regs summary?
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Any lawyers want to tag along with me to the next steelheading trip? ;)
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Why do you need a lawyer ? You're going to be skunked. ;D
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Watch it... Lower Fraser pink season is only 8 months away.... ;)
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Ahhh Pink's! Those picky, hard to catch, little salmon. I might hire a guide this year to take me out and show me how to catch them ::)
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Speaking of Lawyers, I think you have to be one to understand the regs. now a days. It's interesting, I mean if a beginner or out of Province steelheader reads the retention regs. he might possibly retain 2 Hatchery steelhead on the Chilliwack/Vedder system like it states.
What would happen to an angler if he/she was caught with two hatchery steelhead retained from the Chilliwack/Vedder system in his/her posession and produced the retention regs. to the fisheries officer? Would he/she be in for a fine etc?
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My understanding is that while it APPEARS to be a different river, it is actually only ONE river, and hence only 1 fish and OFF the river!
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Took the word out of my mouth Dragon.
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So can you fish on a different river after you retained one hatchery fish. ???
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From my understanding - Yup!