Fishing with Rod Discussion Forum
Fishing in British Columbia => General Discussion => Topic started by: BIG T on December 04, 2004, 06:43:35 PM
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does an expensive rod make you a better angler,???or if you are a good angler,you can fish with a decent cheaper rod..??any thought?????
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Well no the rod doesn't make the fisherman. I think that good fish in the toughest conditions with the worst equioment. However when fishing for bigger game like salmon you can not use four a light action trout rod desighned for 2 pound test will not hold. Thats what I think.
Hey Birdman, I lost you after the first sentence!!!! I realize that you are still young, but do us all a favour and push the "Preview" button and re-read your posts before clicking the "Post" button and take 20 seconds to read what you wrote.
Shane
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DEFINETLY NOT! I own and use some very expensive rods, and I'm by far the worst fisherman I know!!!
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It's not the rod that matters, it's how you use it...
But on a more serious note, my dad uses the "cheaper" and older gear, and catches fish on it, and is very happy using what he has, I, on the other hand, personally like the feel of a "well made" rod, these rods are often quite a bit more expensive, but I feel it's money well spent.
My favourite quote from my dad about gear is "I look at my gear and look like a poor relative fishing next to you..."
IMHO, the quality of the rod rests in how you use it, if you don't give line to a running fish, and like to crank them up the beach, it doesn't really matter what rod you have, you'll probably snap it, but that's your choice. A quality rod will give you a quality fight, if it's rigged up right and matched properly with the reel.
The rod won't make you a better fisherman, but it could better the experience of the fght, and the day in general. Also, knowing that you have a warrenty on an expensive rod generally eases the stress of not pushing the fish.
I'm not sure if that made much sense, but it's how I view the rod one chooses to fish with.
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it won't matter if you are using a cheap rod or not. wearing a yellow raincoat will though... ;)
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;D ;D ;D ;D,hi chum man.you do has a good sense of humour :P :P
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so fulcrum thats why you have no testys?????
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It's a proven fact that the most expensive fishing tackle makes for a better fisherman. Next time you're on the river take a look around at who is doing the catching and who is doing the fishing. Successful fishermen can be found wearing "name" fishing apparel such as the Patagonia jacket, Sage hats, Simms waders and using Sage rods, Shimano reels, Maxima lines, Gamakatsu hooks.
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I have to agree that to a certain extent, better gear means better fisherman. Case in point: my success with actually landing springs in the Fraser increased exponentially when I started using a 12' Sage 4120 and an Abu C5 reel. Before that, more often than not, those brutes would just get away.
I think the same goes for fly rods and lines and many other items.
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Does a better driver allow you to hit the golf ball farther. Yes. But in my case it goes further in the bush. Spend all you like, but you will need better skills to justify the better equipment.
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haha birdman. Whats school for! ;D ???
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hi grumman...so far you are the most honest and down to earth.you are the only one who knows what i am talking about,.doesnt matter what you use,is the skill more than the brand name......it is not the brand name that will land you a fish,you need skill and knowledge first ;D ;D
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I agree with Grumman whole-heartedly. A good rod cannot help you locate fish, good fishing skills such as reading water, walking the river trying different spots will more likely do that. A good rod fishing empty water will produce nothing, whereas a so so rod fishing productive water will.
But once you hook a fish, then a good rod will give you better landing ratio due to better hook set (more rod strength) for the same force, and better fish control. Also, a new fisherman is more likely to snap the rod than a seasoned rod. Quite often, the rod is damaged not by fish, but by careless handling due to inexperience. One of my apprentice partners stepped on his rod, another closed the trunk with the rod tip still hanging out, Ouch!
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What did I win? ;D
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It depends. At our place in Mexico I've pretty much given up using a rod at all and do what the local guys I fish with do: use a third world spinning outfit, which is a plastic bottle with about 75 feet of nylon line wrapped around it. Sinkers and hooks go inside the bottle, and the whole thing fits in a side pocket on the pack I keep ready to go fishing. I felt kind of out of place flailing the river with my Fenwick while these guys were catching more fish than I was.
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Gotta go with the better gear theory. No, I don't own a tackle store. Who wants to stand/sit around in the cold and wet without proper jacket? Gloves? Waders? I can barely stand it as it is.
Fishing rods? Half is being familar but, casting further can't hurt too, esp flyfishing. (Ya I love my Sage!)
On the other hand, I have seen old timers out fish everyone with a piece of bamboo and string ( literally)
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A better quality rod is much easier to fish with.
The less effort one expends casting/retrieving the more energy one has to devote to reading the water and all the rest.
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No matter which company it is;Sage, loomis, fenwick,dragonfly, Protect, Shimano.... rod is a rod, reel is a reel, they all do one thing in common- help a fisherman to catch fish. It is your gear, the gear that you fish with for hours and days. If fishing is the sport that you enjoy, and if you have the money, why not go for the best.
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Keithr, just curious about the Mexican outfit. Never stop learning! So they do not fish with a rod, right? Just using the 75 ft line as a hand line fishing from a boat? Or, do they do it like some of the catfish fishermen in the states - hang the line down from a long can which acts as a float, and which lies down on the top of the water, and when the can stands up due to the weight of a fish, fishermen know they have a catch. I am going to Hawaii soon, so may as well learn a handy tropical fishing trick. ;D ;D ;D
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funfish (#21): you use the bottle with the line wrapped around it like an open faced spinning reel. To cast, you swing the bait and weight around a little and fling it out in the river, and the line goes off the bottle just like it would from an open faced spinning reel with the bail open. To bring it back in you just wind it back around the bottle.
This is pretty low class, or no class, fishing; but it is effective, and you can feel even the lightest nibble because you are holding the line in your hand.
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Thanks. I will get my Coke bottle ready there. The tackle stores should now put their spining outfits on clearance or liquidation. Great recycle tips. ;D ;D
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I think it matters only to a certain extent. After all, the reel's more important IMHO. Like the saying goes, it's not the equipment that's to blame, it's always how the operator uses it. :D
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The rods certainly have an effect on one's fishing day... but, one also needs to know how to use it properly to make the best ouf of the tool.
When we do our kids fishing camp, we have been using rods and reels that are slightly better than entry level. Reasons:
1) Better reels, less birdnests, less work for us.
2) Better rods, more durable, less replacement.
3) Better floats, detect those small bites more quickly, more fish. :D